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The ARSB announced today that it plans to begin a grand space program by first building two space stations (each with four modules) named Groza I and Groza II. After this initial deployment the stations will be manned with minimum crews replenished by 'Progress'-type Soyuz modules. The crew will be replaced every 6-8 months. The twin stations will house up to four people each and have three docking ports. This project will prove to be very expensive, although our budget should handle it over the years that it would take to implement. Any help would be appreciated.

Stats for Groza-type stations:
Pods-4 (one living quarters, one scientific, one utility[with life support systems, storage, etc.], one docking with small gym on end)
Crew- Min.:2 Max.:4
Power- eight 450 sq. ft. solar panels providing bulk of power with onboard emergency batteries and hydrogen fuel cells.
Systems- Oxygen generators, emergency oxygen cells, air recycling unit, water recycling unit, ALMRS/TTAC-09 SV targetting, tracking and acquisition system, advanced satellite/radio communications system (linked with all stations).
Placement: located along equator on opposite ends of planet


After the two Groza-type stations are built, four smaller SA3O-type stations will be built. They will be staffed with minimum crews that will be replaced every 6-8 months.

SA30-type station spefications-
Pods- 2 (one living quarters, one utility) with small docking module on one end (with four docking ports)
Crew- Min:2 Max:3
Power- four 250 sq. ft. solar panels for bulk of power, onboard emergency batteries and hydrogen fuel cells.
Systems- Oxygen generators, emergency oxygen cells, air recycling unit, water recycling unit, ALMRS/TTAC-09 SV targetting, tracking and acquisition system, advanced satellite/radio communications system (linked with all stations).
Positions: Located in positions that would equal out to be equal coverage of planet

*Note- THese stations have no weapons on them whatsoever*

After these stations are completed, 12 rockets will be launched (each having a single Soyuz A3 space interceptor on board). Two Soyuz A3s will be docked at each station automatically using ground-based controlling. (The onboard crew at each station would be the crew of the Soyuz units except one which would stay behind)

Soyuz A3 Space Interceptor

Note: The Soyuz A3 can also be easily configured to be operated by a single cosmonaut (for piloting and combat reasons).

Performance: Soyuz A3 can accommodate a crew of two and 50 kg cargo.
Principal units: forward Weapons Module, center Crew Module, and aft Service Module
Overall length: 6.98 m with docking probe withdrawn
Habitable volume: ~10 m3
Launch mass: 7,070 kg
Landing mass: about 3,000 kg
Thermal protection: Soyuz-TM's exterior, apart from the SM radiators, is protected by green thermal blanketing; the CM carries eight blankets held by apex + base rings released when the other modules separates. Information on the CM's current re-entry protection is not available
Life support systems: Soyuz A3 is hermetically sealed on the pad under sea level conditions and its 184-263 mbar partial O2 pressure maintained by regeneration through potassium superoxide and LiOH cylinders. The bulk of the system is housed in the WM but the CM carries a smaller, independent unit. O2 bottles provide emergency protection.The cosmonauts wear pressure suits. Also, oxygen is produced as a byproduct of the hydrogen fuel cells (When engaged).
Avionics/control: SB-ASCCS-2- Allows for ground-based control via satellite link, radio transmission, or any other transmission type. Also allows optical flight capabilities by the commander/crew of the craft by utilizing numerous sensors, fiber-optic cables, advanced telemtric computers, and an integrated SB-ASD display system with 5 different screens and twin joysticks (one being vertical [up, down] thrust and the other being horizontal [forward, backward, sides] thrust) and a single variable throttle for the main engine.

CREW MODULE
The crew module carries a single 70 cm diameter overhead hatch, opened from either side, and two 70 cm diameter side hatches for the primary/reserve parachute systems. The CM provides occupants with two 20 cm diameter portholes, one either side of the control panels.
Crew size: 2 (alternately, a 100 kg cargo pod can replace one crewmember or ammunition storage)
Length: 2.2 m
Maximum diameter: 2.2 m
Habitable volume: ~4 m3
Total mass: 2,850 kg
Attitude & orbit control system
thrusters: 6 x 67 N (activated for reentry only)
propellant: H2O2
L/D hypersonic: 0.25-0.30
Power: SB-AHFC system (Advanced hydrogen fuel cell system) with a back-up small battery
Landing system: On a normal mission, descent is initiated by a 3-4 min ~155 m/s retroburn by the main engine, followed by WM and then SM ejection. The landing system is activated by pressure switch at 9-11 km and 850 km/h, with two sequential stabilizing drogues releasing the 4.25 m braking 'chute from the port compartment. The primary canopy is deployed reefed at 8 km. It is freed to its full 35.5 m diameter at a descent rate of around 35 m/s to reduce sink rate to 8 m/s. The reserve systems yields 10 m/s descent rate with 25 m 'chute, activated at 6 km. The heat shield is dropped at about 3 km some 5 min before landing to clear the base retromotors for a soft landing. Four solids are triggered by a radar altimeter about 2 m above the ground to cushion the impact. Touchdown is normally on land but Soyuz is equipped for water landings
WEAPONS MODULE
The spherodial Weapons module (WM) provides space for cargo, food, waste management services, orbital experimentation on solo missions and EVA operations through the 65 cm diameter side hatch. The forward 80 cm hatch houses the docking apparatus inside a 1.3 m diameter docking collar and connections for electrical, communications and hydraulic links. The Weapons module is primarily used for combat and contains the ALMRS/TTAC-09 SV tracking and targetting system which tracks up to 560 targets and can track them indefinetely. The Weapons module also contains a large forward window (triple-layered treated glass with finishing layers of fiber-reinforced plexiglass) that can be covered by a variable steel plate (with ceramics and DU armor) that can be securely fastened to interior or exterior. For targetting units the WM has 8 variable monitors (one large one for a forward view, 5 smaller ones for other views and two for weapons statistics and targetted units' statistics). When the gunner-control system is engaged, the gunner operates the craft using twin joysticks that operate the vertical and horizontal axis' of the unit while the pilot operates throttle and back-up control. On the vertical axis joystick is two buttons (one on top and one where index finger should be), the index-finger button operates the main gun and the top button operates the launcher for the Kestril Mk. II space missile (which can target units automatically or track a certain target).
Length: 3.0 m
Maximum diameter: 2.2 m
Habitable volume: ~6 m3
Total mass: 1,200 kg
Other: The WeaponsModule contains twin SIC-10 rail-type cannons which can fire iron-encased depleted uranium slugs using power collected by solar panels or the onboard advanced hydrogen fuel cell stack (roughly eight cells).

SERVICE MODULE
The service module (SM) supports the CM on its forward face. A 45 cm deep pressurized section houses hydrogen fuel cells, power conditioning systems for the twin solar panels, batteries and control systems. Umbilicals link this section with the CM's base panel. The unpressurized rear section holds the propulsion system and its four spherical containers; the outer surface provides a mounting for ~8 m2 of thermal radiators.
Length: 2.3 m
Diameter: 2.2 m (flaring to 2.7 m at aft end)
Total mass: 2,700 kg Soyuz / 2,750 kg Soyuz-T / 2,950 kg Soyuz-TM
Power: Soyuz A3 introduced twin 4-segment solar wings 1.4 x 4.4 m feeding batteries in the service module. Output ~1.3 kW, with a significant proportion lost in cabling/processing. TM span 10.6 m. Soyuz locks on to the Sun with a sensor and slowly cartwheels around the Sun axis when in standby mode (non-combat), energy is stored in onboard batteries.
Other: The SM contains four small 'bays', each housing a single Kestril Mk. II space missile.

*I can provide any specs for the Kestril Mk. IIs or the SIC-10 rail gun. Also, the ARSB is looking for new engines to place on the Soyuz A3s*


(Comments, questions?)

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How do you plan to afford this?

Most of my military budget would be diverted and I have been promised financial assistance by some of my allies (Former Soviet Nations[Major contributor], Stavropol, Chechen, Bosnia-Herzegovina[Major Contributor]). This project will most likely take place over many years as well. Also, the Soyuz A3 are only modified Soyuz T spacecraft and we have quite a few Soyuz T's.

OK then. But still, how will you defend your lands from attack from earthly forces?

Sorry, dont mean to nitty pick :P

Lol, I'll leave enough of my budget to maintain my army on earth, I can always abandon the program if something utterly important comes up.

Ah, that's good. Even if you are attacked, I'm sure the international community will help you, thats the way it seems to go...

Mmhmm, or so we hope?

Ya know, you can always... donate some... cash to assist my efforts... Maybe?

Hmm, No I dont think we will donate any cash. However we will donate $30 Billion in return for unrestricted use of your research facilities?

We salute you, Comrade! C R Enterprises would like to request a partnership with the ARSB in their move to space, after a sizeable donation of course ( ;] ). We will await a response, Comrade.

C R Enterprises- Sounds good. TG me.

Austar Union- I assume you mean the facilities on the space station? Hmm... I believe that sounds good, we may have to add another pod on to one of the Groza stations for added research.

We'd be willing to share part of the cost. Only thing we ask for in return is to beable to use it for refueling when our space shuttles make ventures into space. We'd Even be willing to take turns sticking crew members on board if you would want us too.

Hmm... Very well, you can pay for part of the overall cost as well as pay for the module required to house fuel on one of the Groza stations.

thats no problem at all. Ive got a very strong economy Thanks to the Uranuim and Gold Deposits in my Region.

After the year has concluded, one Groza type station has been completed and awaits in orbit for its crew... Two SA30-type stations are about to be launched and six Soyuz-A3 spacecraft are being prepared for a launch within the next year. As this happens, equipment is being assembled at the Soviet Bloc Cosmodrome in the steppes of the south country to create the modules of the second Groza-type station and the rest of the SA30 stations.

Over the last 2 years (one day=1 NS year), the ARSB has successfully placed its second and final Groza-type station into orbit as well as the rest of its SA30-type stations. Upon the completion of this initial phase, the ARSB's budget for this project has been exhuasted and has borrowed heavily from its ally, Former Soviet Nations. We have staffed a single Groza-type station to add on another module, a quadruple-reinforced, triple armored fuel tank with sufficient armor to withstand the constant bombardment of objects in space... This crew is aboard Groza-1 which also has a single emergency Soyuz T spacecraft and a single Soyuz A3 interceptor with full fuel and armament. It is expected that after we repay our debts to FSN that we will begin staffing and continually re-staffing all of the stations somewhere around 2 (NS) years from now...

We are willing, over the next year, to purchase a reusable space craft... Pending we have paid off our debts.

Over the last 2 years (one day=1 NS year)

Damn dude you are really skimping it. 1 RL week = 1 NS year by most standards.

Hmm... I've always gone by the 1 RL day = 1 NS year... But I suppose I should switch to the 1 RL week = 1 NS year, eh?

Hmm... I've always gone by the 1 RL day = 1 NS year... But I suppose I should switch to the 1 RL week = 1 NS year, eh?

I was org. gonna do 1 day = 1 year but wow did I get torn up and they told me 1 week = 1 year is the general standard and i thought that to be pretty reasonible. I mean hell i could do 2 weeks is a year (lazy dont want to use shift so mind the lack of caps) but i can't spend all my money in a week so :)

Lol, true... Well after this I'm going with 1 rl week = 1 NS year... It is more reasonable...

RG. So I heard you withdrew from you request to the October Alliance?

Yeah... I mean if you guys really want me, I'll join but if you don't care too much I think I'll stick with my current region and alliance.

Phyrric will be willing to assist in the construction with trade concessions of course. A treaty will be in the best interest.

Yeah... I mean if you guys really want me, I'll join but if you don't care too much I think I'll stick with my current region and alliance.

It's all up to you man. You said you weren't a communist nation and from your profile I can believe that. Take some time and think about it. We aren't going anywhere :)

Phyrric- We agree with the proposition and wonder if you are willing to assist in building three modules for Groza-I, two living quarters and another research module, one living quarters and most of the research module would be for your nation's sole use. Of course, only if you accept? We can also also provide you with fuel if you so desire for any missions?
A treaty... Hmm... What type of one? If you wish you can TG me a response and we can go from there...

Layarteb, I'm a fast thinker... I've changed my mind, I'll join the October Alliance.

Layarteb, I'm a fast thinker... I've changed my mind, I'll join the October Alliance.

LMFAO! I like your attitude. www.theforsakenoutlaw.com
go to NS -> October Alliance

It's our home now :0

Phyrric- We agree with the proposition and wonder if you are willing to assist in building three modules for Groza-I, two living quarters and another research module, one living quarters and most of the research module would be for your nation's sole use. Of course, only if you accept? We can also also provide you with fuel if you so desire for any missions?
A treaty... Hmm... What type of one? If you wish you can TG me a response and we can go from there...

Layarteb, I'm a fast thinker... I've changed my mind, I'll join the October Alliance.

Those trade concessions are extremely generous and how could I possibly refuse? The terms are acceptable, the modules will be in production immediately and expect delivery in 1 week (Phyrric already constructing a few mobile stations, making a few more modules would be no problem)

I will TG you shortly with details.

Phyrric, very well. I'm glad you accept.

Layarteb, that's a helluva site you have there...

Layarteb, that's a helluva site you have there...

Thank you. It's like version 10,000.0 lol. I been making sites since 97 so I'm getting better by the day. PHP will gradually be introduced once I find out WTH I am doing :)

Well damn, its an awesome site.

Layarteb, that's a helluva site you have there...

Thank you. It's like version 10,000.0 lol. I been making sites since 97 so I'm getting better by the day. PHP will gradually be introduced once I find out WTH I am doing :)

looks like there is talent there, get it on paper and go look for that brass ring

I don't know though because I have no artistic ability whatsoever yet the colors work oh so well so.

HEHE.

I don't know though because I have no artistic ability whatsoever yet the colors work oh so well so.

HEHE.

what I mean by getting it on paper is a certification or degree, then get that high paying job, you might not have any idea the demand that is out there for makers of web pages and tech support and the pay is rediculous, wish I had that talent.

I don't know though because I have no artistic ability whatsoever yet the colors work oh so well so.

HEHE.

what I mean by getting it on paper is a certification or degree, then get that high paying job, you might not have any idea the demand that is out there for makers of web pages and tech support and the pay is rediculous, wish I had that talent.

Acutally I was a CS major in college but mid-Sophomore year I switched to Political Science. Can you believe I was going for a degree in Software Engineering but C++ wasn't in the cirriculum? Talk about pathetic. So now I'm a junior and a Pol. Science major and frankly I like it better than CS. Switching was one of the best things I've done yet.

OOC: Heh, they probably expected you to take C++ in HS :P
PolSci... Not many career options with that though :(

I don't know though because I have no artistic ability whatsoever yet the colors work oh so well so.

HEHE.

what I mean by getting it on paper is a certification or degree, then get that high paying job, you might not have any idea the demand that is out there for makers of web pages and tech support and the pay is rediculous, wish I had that talent.

Acutally I was a CS major in college but mid-Sophomore year I switched to Political Science. Can you believe I was going for a degree in Software Engineering but C++ wasn't in the cirriculum? Talk about pathetic. So now I'm a junior and a Pol. Science major and frankly I like it better than CS. Switching was one of the best things I've done yet.

Until you go and look for a job, lol. I have a History Degree and unless I continue to teach with it, it is a one way ticket to the unemployment line.

LOL Yeah well it doesn't really matter what degree you have sometimes because it won't get you in or out but it all depends. I'm eyeing 4-years in the ARMY afterwards pretty closely. I'm itching to be a SF sniper :)

As in a previous RP, and with the designs of the Soyuz A3 and its weaponry, the USSCR ICly and OOCly challenges the validity of the SIC-10 cannon.

Lol, true... Well after this I'm going with 1 rl week = 1 NS year... It is more reasonable...

something like this would be 1 rl day=1 ns year, this has been universal accepted because of population growth a nation experiences in ns

What is a SIC-10 cannon? I think I missed that

Lol, true... Well after this I'm going with 1 rl week = 1 NS year... It is more reasonable...

something like this would be 1 rl day=1 ns year, this has been universal accepted because of population growth a nation experiences in ns

I think it's something like 3% every update.

Lol, true... Well after this I'm going with 1 rl week = 1 NS year... It is more reasonable...

something like this would be 1 rl day=1 ns year, this has been universal accepted because of population growth a nation experiences in ns

I think it's something like 3% every update. So yeah it could be 1day but since so many use a week it's good to use i think.

The SIC-10 cannon he uses is basically a very large rail gun.

Lol, true... Well after this I'm going with 1 rl week = 1 NS year... It is more reasonable...

something like this would be 1 rl day=1 ns year, this has been universal accepted because of population growth a nation experiences in ns

I think it's something like 3% every update. So yeah it could be 1day but since so many use a week it's good to use i think.

it is fluid time, if someone was planning sabotage against the station, then it would drop to 1 rl wk=ns year, if the attack was to be implemented, then it would drop again to 1 rl day=1 ns day. since this station is already planned and uncontested, it would fall under the 1 rl day=1 ns year, providing his nation is not involved in any other activity and plans on using this is a war thread, then it fall under the slowest motion of 1 day=1 day.

each nation grows an average of 6 million a day (as low as 4 million as high as 9 million), even as large as I am, it only gets a few million each day.

The SIC-10 cannon he uses is basically a very large rail gun.

thanks, where was the reference? I think I missed it because I do not use rail guns in my nation. Since it is mentioned here, i would guess it is the weapons system of the station and gauging how small the station is, I would have to guess that the gun is too large for the station is the point here?

Lol, true... Well after this I'm going with 1 rl week = 1 NS year... It is more reasonable...

something like this would be 1 rl day=1 ns year, this has been universal accepted because of population growth a nation experiences in ns

I think it's something like 3% every update. So yeah it could be 1day but since so many use a week it's good to use i think.

it is fluid time, if someone was planning sabotage against the station, then it would drop to 1 rl wk=ns year, if the attack was to be implemented, then it would drop again to 1 rl day=1 ns day. since this station is already planned and uncontested, it would fall under the 1 rl day=1 ns year, providing his nation is not involved in any other activity and plans on using this is a war thread, then it fall under the slowest motion of 1 day=1 day.

each nation grows an average of 6 million a day (as low as 4 million as high as 9 million), even as large as I am, it only gets a few million each day.

Rg that makes sense.

Should be a % rather than a set number because as you get bigger you're going to have more people breeding, etc. Maybe in NS2 if it happens.

Its near the bottom, marked by an asteriks. The reason I challenge the validity of the cannon is the EXTREME amount of power needed to run a rail gun. He has on the small Soyuz A3 a SIC-10 cannon. Now, in a spacecraft all energy is usually devoted towards computer systems. And also, no amount of batteries besides a football field full of them could power a cannon that large. Even further, the laws of physics still apply in space, and whenever he shot a cannon he'd be thrown back quite hard, as a rail gun is very fast and has no resistance in space.
Then, I have even MORE problems if he is to bring in his other design of spacecraft....

Its near the bottom, marked by an asteriks. The reason I challenge the validity of the cannon is the EXTREME amount of power needed to run a rail gun. He has on the small Soyuz A3 a SIC-10 cannon. Now, in a spacecraft all energy is usually devoted towards computer systems. And also, no amount of batteries besides a football field full of them could power a cannon that large. Even further, the laws of physics still apply in space, and whenever he shot a cannon he'd be thrown back quite hard, as a rail gun is very fast and has no resistance in space.
Then, I have even MORE problems if he is to bring in his other design of spacecraft....

Physics are not a favorite to argue on NS because of all the different tech levels on here and I do not like getting into them. The point is valid, but would it be feasible to have a smaller rail gun on the station if a more stable platform could be devised, say a core stabilizer? Adding a power pod (a reactor of sort) to the station would not be that big of a problem I would think considering it is modular to begin with.

The SIC-10 cannon, in this case, is relatively small, the size of a .30 caliber barrel. The power it requires come from relatively small hydrogen fuel cell batteries located on board the Soyuz A3, in this case, it takes up half of the utility module on the rear of the spacecraft. While the Soyuz A3 is in flight and stationary (docked) it collects power with its solar panels to repower the on board batteries (taking up most of the orbital[crew] module [since the Soyuz A3 only really needs a single pilot and therefore less space and it has the weapons module, housing more batteries and room for another crew member]). The SIC-10 cannon, in this stage, is relatively experimental and does require lots of energy to propel the projectile (An iron slug with a depleted uranium core that upon impact with a target at the speed it is travelling, mushrooms and therefore does plenty of damage) at a relatively slow speed (I'll post it later or... edit in here... or something) that is much slower than you are probably thinking due to the fairly short barrel (which protrudes from the main body of craft about 3 feet and extends to rear of craft another 12 feet). Therefore, the SIC-10 cannon can only really be fired a few times (more than enough to take out geostationary targets such as satellites and enough to down a moving target, if needed) before needing a complete battery charge and replacement of spent hydrogen.

Computer systems power is provided by external batteries that layer the connection between Crew module and weapons module as well as between the crew module and service module. Life support systems include internal batteries, taking up the entire floor space of both livable modules, stored oxygen, and the crew's pressurized suits

Now, I could get the exact specifications for it, but that's on a different computer at the moment.
By the way, the SIC-10 cannon is only mounted on the Soyuz A3 interceptor version and not the station itself.

As for recoil... Firing the '.30 caliber' SIC-10 cannon has little to moderate (again, I'd need to refer to my specifications and other material) recoil and if needed can fire a momentary burst of its main engine to counter the recoil or, we have concidered utilizing a sliding-rail type system with a fully complete hydraulic or pneumatic (using either stored oxygen or other gases) to counter recoil. Or the craft can fire while travelling towards the target, therefore completely countering the effects of recoil.

Now, if there are some discrepancies with my report and with actual accepted scientific theory and/or practice, I am sorry, at this moment I do not have the time nor material to make a full correct post.

I'll finish later...