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Credonia Accelerates Biochemical Weapons Research Program

Credonia
31-12-2003, 03:39
Credonian President Kaimoni Sutton authoried the air force to accelerate its biological and chemical weapons program and will begin stockpiling these weapons for DEFENSIVE use only. Bombs and missiles will be made, and the President is considering initiating legislation legalizing the use of these weapons in conventional warfare. Our current research is below and will be added to as we obtain more information for our program.

Possible Biological Agents For Use
Ebola Haemorrhagic Fever
Ebola Haemorrhagic Fever is one of the most virulent viral disease known to humankind, causing death in 50-90% of all clinically-ill cases. Consequently, it has figured prominently in popular discussions of biological warfare, although its practical appli cations as an biological warfare agent remain speculative. The disease has its origins in the jungles of Africa and Asia and several different forms of Ebola virus have been identified and may be associated with other clinical expressions, on which furthe r research is required.
The Ebola virus is transmitted by direct contact with the blood, secretions, organs or semen of infected persons. Transmission through semen may occur up to 7 weeks after clinical recovery, as with Marburg haemorrhagic fever. Health care workers have f requently been infected while attending patients. In the 1976 epidemic in Zaire, every Ebola case caused by contaminated syringes and needles died.

After an incubation period of 2 to 21 days, Ebola is often characterised by the sudden onset of fever, weakness, muscle pain, headache and sore throat. This is followed by vomiting, diarrhoea, rash, limited kidney and liver functions, and both internal and external bleeding. Specialized laboratory tests on blood specimens (which are not commercially available) detect specific antigens or antibodies and/or isolate the virus. These tests present an extreme biohazard and are only conducted under maximum c ontainment conditions.

No specific treatment or vaccine exists for Ebola haemorrhagic fever. Severe cases require intensive supportive care, as patients are frequently dehydrated and in need of intravenous fluids. Experimental studies involving the use of hyperimmune sera on animals demonstrated no long-term protection against the disease after interruption of therapy.

Suspected cases should be isolated from other patients and strict barrier nursing techniques practised. All hospital personnel should be briefed on the nature of the disease and its routes of transmission. Particular emphasis should be placed on ensuri ng that high-risk procedures such as the placing of intravenous lines and the handling of blood, secretions, catheters and suction devices are done under barrier nursing conditions. Hospital staff should have individual gowns, gloves and masks. Gloves and masks must not be reused unless disinfected. Patients who die from the disease should be promptly buried or cremated.

As the primary mode of person-to-person transmission is contact with contaminated blood, secretion or body fluids, any person who has had close physical contact with patients should be kept under strict surveillance, i.e. body temperature checks twice a day, with immediate hospitalization and strict isolation recommended in case of temperatures above 38.3 C (101 F). Casual contacts should be placed on alert and asked to report any fever. Surveillance of suspected cases should continue for three weeks a fter the date of their last contact. Hospital personnel who come into close contact with patients or contaminated materials without barrier nursing attire must be considered exposed and put under close supervised surveillance.

The Ebola virus was first identified in a western equatorial province of Sudan and in a nearby region of Zaire in 1976 after significant epidemics in Yamkubu, northern Zaire, and Nzara, southern Sudan. Between June and November 1976 the Ebola virus inf ected 284 people in Sudan, with 117 deaths. In Zaire there were 318 cases and 280 deaths in September and October. An isolated case occurred in Zaire in 1977, a second outbreak in Sudan in 1979. In 1989 and 1990, a filovirus, named Ebola-Reston, was isola ted in monkeys being held in quarantine in a laboratory in Reston (Virginia), Alice (Texas) and Pennsylvania. In the Philippines, Ebola-Reston infections occurred in the quarantine area for monkeys intended for exportation, near Manila. A large epidemic o ccurred in Kikwit, Zaire in 1995 with 315 cases, 244 with fatal outcomes. One human case of Ebola haemorrhagic fever and several cases in chimpanzees were confirmed in Côte d'Ivoire in 1994-95. In Gabon, Ebola haemorrhagic fever was first documented in 19 94 and recent outbreaks occurred in February 1996 and July 1996. In all, nearly 1,100 cases with 793 deaths have been documented since the virus was discovered. The natural reservoir of the Ebola virus seems to reside in the rain forests of Africa and Asi a but has not yet been identified.

Different hypotheses have been developed to try to uncover the cycle of Ebola. Initially, rodents were suspected, as is the case with Lassa Fever whose reservoir is a wild rodent (Mastomys). Another hypothesis is that a plant virus may have caused the infection of vertebrates. Laboratory observation has shown that bats experimentally infected with Ebola do not die and this has raised speculation that these mammals may play a role in maintaining the virus in the tropical forest.

Saxitoxin
Saxitoxin is the parent compound of a family of chemically related neurotoxins. In nature they are predominantly produced by marine dinoflagellates, although they have also been identified in association with such diverse organisms as blue-green algae , crabs, and the blue-ringed octopus. Human intoxications are principally due to ingestion of bivalve molluscs which have accumulated dinoflagellates during filter feeding. The resulting intoxication, known as paralytic shellfish poisoning (PSP), is known throughout the world as a severe, life-threatening illness requiring immediate medical intervention. In a BW scenario, the most likely route of delivery is by inhalation or toxic projectile. In addition, saxitoxin could be used in a confined area to cont aminate water supplies.

After oral exposure, absorption of toxins from the gastrointestinal tract is rapid. Onset of symptoms typically begins 10-60 minutes after exposure, but may be delayed several hours depending upon the dose and individual idiosyncrasy. Initial symptoms are numbness or tingling of the lips, tongue and fingertips, followed by numbness of the neck and extremities and general muscular incoordination. Nausea and vomiting may be present, but typically occur in a minority of cases. Respiratory distress and fl accid muscular paralysis are the terminal stages and can occur 2-12 hours after intoxication. Death results from respiratory paralysis. Clearance of the toxin is rapid and survivors for 12-24 hours will usually recover. There are no known cases of inhalat ion exposure to saxitoxin in the medical literature, but data from animal experiments suggest the entire syndrome is compressed and death may occur in minutes.

Routine laboratory evaluation is not particularly helpful. Cardiac conduction defects may develop. Differential diagnosis may require toxin detection. Diagnosis is confirmed by detection of toxin in the food, water, stomach contents or environmental samples.

Management is supportive and standard management of poison ingestion should be employed if intoxication is by the oral route. Toxins are rapidly cleared and excreted in the urine, so diuresis may increase elimination. Incubation and mechanical respirat ory support may be required in severe intoxication. Timely resuscitation would be imperative, albeit very difficult, after inhalation exposure on the battlefield.

No vaccine against saxitoxin exposure has been developed for human use.


Chemical Agents For Use
CX - Phosgene oxime
Phosgene oxime [CX] is a white crystalline powder. It melts between 39-40° C, and boils at 129° C.By the addition of certain compounds it is possible to liquify phosgene oxime at room temperature. It is fairly soluble in water and in organic solvents. In aqueous solution phosgene oxime is hydrolyses fairly rapidly, especially in the presence of alkali. It has a high vapour pressure, its odour is very unpleasant and irritating. Even as a dry solid, phosgene oxime decomposes spontaneously and has to be stored at low temperatures.

In low concentrations, phosgene oxime severely irritates the eyes and respiratory organs. In high concentrations, it also attacks the skin. A few milligrams applied to the skin cause severe irritation, intense pain, and subsequently a necrotising wound. Very few compounds are as painful and destructive to the tissues.

Phosgene oxime also affects the eyes, causing corneal lesions and blindness and may affect the respiratory tract causing pulmonary oedema. The action on the skin is immediate: phosgene oxime provokes irritation resembling that caused by a stinging nettle. A few milligrams cause intense pain which radiates from the point of application, within a minute the affected area turns white and is surrounded by a zone of erythema (skin reddening) which resembles a wagon wheel in appearance. In 1 hour the area becomes swollen and within 24 hours the lesion turns yellow and blisters appear. Recovery takes 1 to 3 months.

Lewisite
In a pure form lewisite is a colorless and odourless liquid, but usually contains small amounts of impurities that give it a brownish colour and an odour resembling geranium oil. It is heavier than mustard, poorly soluble in water but soluble in organic solvents. L is a vesicant (blister agent), also, it acts as a systemic poison, causing pulmonary edema, diarrhea, restlessness, weakness, subnormal temperature, and low blood pressure. In order of severity and appearance of symptoms, it is: a blister agent, a toxic lung irritant, absorbed in tissues, and a systemic poison. When inhaled in high concentrations, may be fatal in as short a time as 10 minutes.

CHOKING AGENTS
Chemical agents which attack lung tissue, primarily causing pulmonary oedema, are classed as lung damaging agents. To this group belong:
CG phosgene
DP diphosgene
Cl chlorine
PS chloropicrin
The toxic action of phosgene is typical of a certain group of lung damaging agents. Phosgene is the most dangerous member of this group and the only one considered likely to be used in the future. Phosgene was used for the first time in 1915, and it accounted for 80% of all chemical fatalities during World War I.

Phosgene is a colorless gas under ordinary conditions of temperature and pressure. Its boiling point is 8.2°C, making it an extremely volatile and non-persistent agent. Its vapour density is 3.4 times that of air. It may therefore remain for long periods of time in trenches and other low lying areas. In low concentrations it has a smell resembling new mown hay.

The outstanding feature of phosgene poisoning is massive pulmonary oedema. With exposure to very high concentrations death may occur within several hours; in most fatal cases pulmonary oedema reaches a maximum in 12 hours followed by death in 24-48 hours. If the casualty survives, resolution commences within 48 hours and, in the absence of complicating infection, there may be little or no residual damage.
During and immediately after exposure, there is likely to be coughing, choking, a feeling of tightness in the chest, nausea, and occasionally vomiting, headache and lachrymation. The presence or absence of these symptoms is of little value in immediate prognosis. Some patients with severe coughs fail to develop serious lung injury, while others with little sign of early respiratory tract irritation develop fatal pulmonary oedema. A period follows during which abnormal chest signs are absent and the patient may be symptom-free. This interval commonly lasts 2 to 24 hours but may be shorter. It is terminated by the signs and symptoms of pulmonary oedema. These begin with cough (occasionally substernally painful), dyspnoea, rapid shallow breathing and cyanosis. Nausea and vomiting may appear. As the oedema progresses, discomfort, apprehension and dyspnoea increase and frothy sputum develops. The patient may develop shock-like symptoms, with pale, clammy skin, low blood pressure and feeble, rapid heartbeat. During the acute phase, casualties may have minimal signs and symptoms and the prognosis should be guarded. Casualties may very rapidly develop severe pulmonary oedema. If casualties survive more than 48 hours they usually recover.

Nerve Agents
The nerve agents are a group of particularly toxic chemical warfare agents. They were developed just before and during World War II and are related chemically to the organophosphorus insecticides. The principle agents in this group are:
GA (Tabun)
GB (Sarin)
GD (Soman)
GF
VX (methylphosphonothioic acid)

The "G" agents tend to be non-persistent whereas the "V" agents are persistent. Some "G" agents may be thickened with various substances in order to increase their persistence, and therefore the total amount penetrating intact skin. At room temperature GB is a comparatively volatile liquid and therefore non-persistent. GD is also significantly volatile, as is GA though to a lesser extent. VX is a relatively non-volatile liquid and therefore persistent. It is regarded as presenting little vapour hazard to people exposed to it. In the pure state nerve agents are colorless and mobile liquids. In an impure state nerve agents may be encountered as yellowish to brown liquids. Some nerve agents have a faint fruity odour.

GB and VX doses which are potentially life-threatening may be only slightly larger than those producing least effects. Death usually occurs within 15 minutes after absorption of a fatal VX dosage.
Although only about half as toxic as GB by inhalation, GA in low concentrations is more irritating to the eyes than GB. Symptoms appear much more slowly from a skin dosage than from a respiratory dosage. Although skin absorption great enough to cause death may occur in 1 to 2 minutes, death may be delayed for 1 to 2 hours. Respiratory lethal dosages kill in 1 to 10 minutes, and liquid in the eye kills almost as rapidly.
Credonia
31-12-2003, 04:10
BUMP
Central Facehuggeria
31-12-2003, 04:12
We urge Credonia to cease production of these horrible, uncivilized weapons. If weapons like these fell into the wrong hands, millions could die...
31-12-2003, 04:14
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Credonia
31-12-2003, 04:15
These weapons cannot fall into enemy hands as we have one of the most SECURE weapons release system known to the modern world.
Credonia
31-12-2003, 04:22
It is my belief that chemical and chemical weapons are a viable alternative to nuclear warfare and if used effectivly, can HIGHLY increase a nations chances of winning a battle or war because the agents can do one of two things, 1) incapacitate unprotected troops rendering them literally useless so long as they have been exposed to adequate amounts, and 2) they can kill troops if necessary over the course of a couple hours to a few days or weeks. Any nation with these weapons should be feared. And in addition to the troops, the civilian population are also heavily affected if used in urban areas.
Layarteb
31-12-2003, 04:24
Ahh CBW. Good to have them!
Credonia
31-12-2003, 05:10
Would anyone be interested in helping develop a space based orbital biochemical weapons platform?
Layarteb
31-12-2003, 06:04
Would anyone be interested in helping develop a space based orbital biochemical weapons platform?

While orbital weapons do have advantages I'd keep CBW in the atmosphere and not waste missiles on them and rather employ them with battlefield artillery or other methods.
Credonia
31-12-2003, 06:39
Good idea. Which artilliary do you recommend? As much as i know my military units, my knowledge on artilliary is very limited.
Elizabethshire
31-12-2003, 06:48
Chemical and Biological Weapons are Barbaric. However the Armed Republic recognizes that some countries love to spread misery and death upon others instead of a merciful quick end, so will spare the Barbarians the threat of invasion.

Be ware, The Armed Republic has Nuclear weapons, and plenty of them. So your weapons better be defensive in nature as ours are.
Xeraph
31-12-2003, 12:35
Kudos to you, Credonia!

We of the ARM do stockpile WMD, as a defensive measure. If I may make a suggestion, please see the post on the summit coming up wherein the main topic will be the restriction/destruction of WMD. Check out the response from teh Knights of Hell, one of our nations. This is the Alliance Regioni Militaria's stance.
Also, we've had an idea to develop a Bio/Chem agent that will debilitate warm-blooded creatures while causing no pain or discomfort, a sort of "Anesthesia" agent. Would you be interested in a joint venture in R&D?
Please send response via telegram.......no sense in upsetting the "non-proliferation" crowd.

Alaric, King of Xeraph, Ambassador to ARM
31-12-2003, 12:44
Viral Weaponry is now Obsolete, sethesh's scientists have developed a Viraliophage to tackle this problem which is on the market right now, Sethesh herself has developed Viral weapons which are now obsolete by our sale of this Viraliophage.

We urge credonia to stop Viral research and put more money into chemical Application which is a far more precise weapon.
Doujin
31-12-2003, 12:48
I understand that war is war, but do you know how much pain people go through with Ebola? I don't think you realize how painful it is, having your insides liquify and your spleen harden into crystals..
31-12-2003, 12:50
Thus why we developed the Viraliophage http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109536&highlight=
Credonia
31-12-2003, 14:15
I understand that war is war, but do you know how much pain people go through with Ebola? I don't think you realize how painful it is, having your insides liquify and your spleen harden into crystals..

Thus making it an ideal deterrent. If you were to launch a small attack with that agent, you could show the nation just haw bad it is.


Chemical and Biological Weapons are Barbaric. However the Armed Republic recognizes that some countries love to spread misery and death upon others instead of a merciful quick end, so will spare the Barbarians the threat of invasion.

Be ware, The Armed Republic has Nuclear weapons, and plenty of them. So your weapons better be defensive in nature as ours are.

Listen, first off, what we do with our research and what military weapons is none of your business. We have signed no treaty stopping us from researching, developing, and using these weapons, nor are there any laws restricting us from using these weapons in any way shape or form. Also, let me point out that we will ignore that threat/warning as Credonia is not an imperialistic nation bent on using force via nuclear or biochemical weapons nor will we ever be (check all of my threads if u'd like)
Doujin
31-12-2003, 14:18
I understand that war is war, but do you know how much pain people go through with Ebola? I don't think you realize how painful it is, having your insides liquify and your spleen harden into crystals..

Thus making it an ideal deterrent. If you were to launch a small attack with that agent, you could show the nation just haw bad it is.



And just how wretched and inhumane you are. If a nation is to launch an attack(the only reason I can consider for an attack being made is warmongering) do you think they care abou the lives of the soldiers? They just carea bout winning - and soldiers follow orders. If the are ordered to battle, they will go to battle. If they don't, they could be tried and put in jail (and in extremist nations) killed. *sigh*
Rovan
31-12-2003, 14:21
Uh....................................::falls::
Credonia
31-12-2003, 14:22
I understand that war is war, but do you know how much pain people go through with Ebola? I don't think you realize how painful it is, having your insides liquify and your spleen harden into crystals..

Thus making it an ideal deterrent. If you were to launch a small attack with that agent, you could show the nation just haw bad it is.



And just how wretched and inhumane you are. If a nation is to launch an attack(the only reason I can consider for an attack being made is warmongering) do you think they care abou the lives of the soldiers? They just carea bout winning - and soldiers follow orders. If the are ordered to battle, they will go to battle. If they don't, they could be tried and put in jail (and in extremist nations) killed. *sigh*


Im not inhumane at all. And I wouldnt use the agents against only troops. Id use them on everyone, FORCING them to back down. Sure its a wretched thing to do, but sometimes it takes something like that to stop extremist or warmongering nations. It would be useful against nations many times the size of yours.
Doujin
31-12-2003, 14:23
And you don't think they will reply in kind? And I can't believe you would resort to genocide, to the murder of innocent non-combatants.
Credonia
31-12-2003, 14:29
Call it what you want but it can help stop a nation from killing my people, then you can bet your ass that im going to use any and all means necessary to stop the enemy.
Doujin
31-12-2003, 14:55
I'm still waiting for you to answer wether or not you think they would respond in kind with bio/chemical warheads. Or even nuclear weapons.
Credonia
31-12-2003, 15:08
Its possible, but hopefully cooler heads will prevail before it comes to that.
31-12-2003, 15:50
the nation of Continental Democracy would like to chime in here. why is it that when credionia was talking peace and nuclear warhead dismantle is he NOW creating just another kind of WMD, a more disasterous one at that, the implications could be dire, imagine if the ebola virus, carried by high level winds where to sweep over half the globe, credionia has failed to relise the horror that this can inflict, indeed in the real world today the USA has been activly destroying its stockpiles, after seeing what it could do in the wronge hands,

thats all i have to say about that
Credonia
31-12-2003, 15:56
well u know what, it doesnt matter. Its not like anyone can do anything about it. Were not in violation of any international laws, so it shouldnt matter.
31-12-2003, 15:59
OOC: considering Credionia has decided to ignore me, he wont care about this response, CHECK UN CHARTERS IDIOT, there all in there, the use of chemical weapons have been banned since WORLD WAR ONE. i also believe its in the geneva convention
Credonia
31-12-2003, 16:06
OOC: geneva convention my ass, this aint the real world
31-12-2003, 16:07
OOC: the nation states UN charters
Credonia
31-12-2003, 16:21
OOC: the nation states UN charters

who says i have to follow the UN charters just because im in the UN. MOST of the nations on NS disregard that charter anyway.
31-12-2003, 16:40
as i said, Viral agents are an obsolete weapon anyway. Dont stop your research its a good idea, just ive developed a cure for viral infection including those of the Filovidrea Family (ebola, Marbugs ect).

You should perhaps consider parasites instead of viral agents, though a anti-parasitic agents is forthcoming. Also i would consider VX nerve gas, the Hydrogen and Chlorine Bondage makes it one of the most poisonous nerve agents known to man, its quite precise as gases go.
Credonia
31-12-2003, 16:43
Thank you, i'll look into that
31-12-2003, 16:44
No Problem :)
Credonia
31-12-2003, 17:16
Edited
Credonia
01-01-2004, 14:45
BUMP
Ozymandias IV
01-01-2004, 20:05
The Republic of Ozymandias IV is disappointed to see Credonia pursuing this path.

We view biochemical weapons and nuclear weapons as the same. Any attack using biochemical weapons is just as bad as a nuclear strike. In fact, our scientists estimate that a low-yeild tactical nuclear device would cause fewer civillian deaths than a biochem attack...

The United States of Credonia already has a shocking arsenal of nuclear weapons. What possible need does Credonia have for additional WMDs?

Merek III
SecState
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Republic of Ozymandias IV
Credonia
01-01-2004, 20:26
While we are aware of the international community's concerns, these weapons are for an additional detterent the the influx of enemies Credonia seems to be making. ALL weapons we produce witht he exception of the Freedom ICBM are defensive weapons. The Freedom ICBM is a first strike weapon which we use in EXTREME insances when our nation faces certain total destruction. The IADF charter restructs the use of these weapons of mass destruction ensureing that we cannot use these weapons freely unless absolutly necessary.
Credonia
11-01-2004, 06:14
BUMP
Elizabethshire
11-01-2004, 06:46
The Republic of Elizabethshire, disgusted at the Illegal and Highly Inmoral Actions of Credonia, have decided to Sever All ties with the United States of Credonia and place an Embargo on the Nation of Credonia.

This Means

Elizabethsiran Merchants are Forbidden to sell, buy or trade any goods with the Nation of Credonia.

Elizabethshire Vessels are forbidden to Enter a Credonian Port, under any circumstance, Emmergency Distress Hails will be answered by the Nearest Republican Ship or Allied Ship. If there is none within a reasonable time, Sail into the nearest Neutral Port or hail the nearest Neutral Ship.

Credonia is forbidden to send Diplomatic Communications directly to the Republic and will instead send them through the Embassy of the Archaic Slang Words in Elizabeth's Town.

Any Person holding Credonian Citizenship is now forbidden to visit the Republic under any reason. Credonian Diplomatic Immunity will not be recognized

Credonian Ships are forbidden under any circumstance to come within Six Miles of the Shore of Elizabethshire and Are not permitted inside a Port of Elizabethshire nor her Colonies. Any Credonian Ship with a distress call will be ignored.
Credonia
11-01-2004, 18:04
Reaction from President Sutton

Considering we never had ties to your nation in the first place, very well. Doesnt really hurt us much."
Huzen Hagen
11-01-2004, 18:58
Would anyone be interested in helping develop a space based orbital biochemical weapons platform?

My nation already has plans on the drawing board for a Hades class orbital weapons system though ddo not have the funding as it would cost 200billion. It consist of an unmanned space station shaped like a tube surrounded by two rings each containig missiles. The total number of missiles would be in the range of 200. Orbital launched missiles have the advantage of having less distance to travell as well as travelling at far higher speeds then other missiles as gravity pulls them to the earth. The best part is to prevent hackers braking into the mainframe, communication to the station is done by a digitised one-time pad system. This type of code is unbreakable, im not just saying that it is in RL.
Credonia
11-01-2004, 19:04
Would anyone be interested in helping develop a space based orbital biochemical weapons platform?

My nation already has plans on the drawing board for a Hades class orbital weapons system though ddo not have the funding as it would cost 200billion. It consist of an unmanned space station shaped like a tube surrounded by two rings each containig missiles. The total number of missiles would be in the range of 200. Orbital launched missiles have the advantage of having less distance to travell as well as travelling at far higher speeds then other missiles as gravity pulls them to the earth. The best part is to prevent hackers braking into the mainframe, communication to the station is done by a digitised one-time pad system. This type of code is unbreakable, im not just saying that it is in RL.


Interesting, Credonia could help you out with funding and help with launching some of the components, maybe even make some improvements to the design. Interested?
Huzen Hagen
11-01-2004, 19:12
Absolutley. We at first intended it for nuclear weapons but then we realised that a bio-weapon would be far more effective possibly wiping out entire countrys if a suitable virus were obtained (such as bubonic plague)

we will be offline for the next 24 hours but may be online for a bit in a hour or so
Credonia
11-01-2004, 19:16
Great, then i invite your national leaders and top scientists to join me (President Sutton) here in Credonia at a secret location (Coordinates will be Telegramed on acceptance of the invitation) to further discuss this system in secret with my top scientists and myself.
11-01-2004, 19:36
As an ally of Huzen Hagen we would also be pleased to assist both of you in the development of the system. May we join you when you hold the meating?
Dontgonearthere
11-01-2004, 19:37
DGNT would be quite interested in helping you develope you BC program, GLACORP has a WMD division which, as you can see, has very reasonable prices, feel free to browse but dont touch anything :)

http://com3.runboard.com/bnationstatesforum.fmilitaryproducts.t2
Credonia
11-01-2004, 19:42
As an ally of Huzen Hagen we would also be pleased to assist both of you in the development of the system. May we join you when you hold the meating?

Yes, the invitation has been extended to your nation as well
11-01-2004, 19:59
Ok thanks will you telagram me with details.
Huzen Hagen
11-01-2004, 20:40
A jet is on the tarmac waiting to leave. it will be escorted by F-16F super falcons because of the recent terror attacks