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The Bomb to end all bombs

Bonstock
29-12-2003, 21:20
About one year ago, a Bonstocknian pilot blew herself up with one of these near a Klonor built package fleet. The entire fleet was vaporized.

This new bomb in known as Project Megaphone, also known as T-1 (ooc: name changed due to copyright reasons; much apologies to AMF)
It is a new type of munition designed to suppress atomic particles over incredible ranges, destroying entire nations in one quick shot.

It starts as a conventional atomic explosion (atually, a really big one):

http://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/oconnell/astr121/im/globe-impact-davis-plus.jpg

But then it sends a wave of electromagnetic energy around that destroys everything within a 1,000 mile radius.

Destruction still occurs out to 3,000 miles.

Caution: It just may cause debris to collect in Earth's atmoshpere, lowering the Earth's temperature. It would destroy an RL sized earth.

If you want to destroy a nation, this is what to use. But beware, you may piss off bordering nations.

BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL WHEN USING THIS!!! It is likely that to many of these in one area will destroy the world entirely.

If you want something better, I'll give you a 1km diameter asteroid.

The explosion yields approximatly 250,000 MT of damage. That would destroy an NS sized nation, and the nations surrounding it if the place were small enough.

A pic of the crater:

http://www.ecology.com/earth-at-a-glance/earth-at-a-glance-feature/images/3.jpg

That would be Bonstock if we were hit by one. Unlike the AMF built HOUND, T1 is a nation killer, and will terminate even the largest of nations. Small nations will be destroyed along with their bordering nations. Island nations will be blasted into the ocean.

Unlike the AMF Hound, this is a conventional nuclear warhead. It can be carried on an ICBM or as a bomb.

Price: 50 billion USD

This is considered the most effective method of delivering the bomb to its target:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/b-3_image_super_fsa.jpg

Name: B-10 Hypersonic Strike Aircraft
Function: Bomber, with secondary cargo/passenger/spacelift capability
Altitude: space capable
Speed: Mach 10
Engine: Flygsmotor Hypersonic SCRAMJET engine, can be powered by rockets
Crew: 4
Price: 6 billion USD

Designed years ago, it has only now been cleared for production and possible export.

Note: These technologies took me literaly since late June to finally get ready. Will only be sold to trusted nations. We WILL do background checks on everyone who orders.

Will not sell to any enemies of Bonstock. If you have ever been in a war with Bonstock, you may as well turn around.

n00bs, go away. This is not the weapon for you. When you get older, come back and see me.

ooc: This is the ultimate weapon. No weapon like it exists in the world. We will only build a few, but we ourselves will only use them if we really really need to. Only if national survival itself is in danger would we use this bomb. IE, if we're invaded, on the verge of collapse, defeat inevitable, then we MIGHT use it.
29-12-2003, 21:23
One of those craters were a pic of Tech-Annihater being HOUNDed.

EDIT: er.. Tech is me.. :?
Bonstock
29-12-2003, 21:37
One of those craters were a pic of Tech-Annihater being HOUNDed.

EDIT: er.. Tech is me.. :?

ooc: only pic i could find... sorry AMF if I break your copyright...
Bonstock
29-12-2003, 21:41
Come on... step up to the plate... rise as a nation... buy my nuke!
29-12-2003, 21:43
we are very interested at!!
we decided to buy one of this fantastic nukes!!

-Lioy Core Research-
Bonstock
29-12-2003, 21:50
we are very interested at!!
we decided to buy one of this fantastic nukes!!

-Lioy Core Research-
You are far too young to command such awesome power responsibly. Order denied.
Bonstock
29-12-2003, 21:50
we are very interested at!!
we decided to buy one of this fantastic nukes!!

-Lioy Core Research-
You are far too young to command such awesome power responsibly. Order denied.
29-12-2003, 21:55
send us piece per piece in 2 o 3 years! no??
i'm sad :( :( :( :(
New Empire
29-12-2003, 22:00
send us piece per piece in 2 o 3 years! no??
i'm sad :( :( :( :(
Uhm... Quit whining before he gets ticked off and uses one on you.
Secret IC communication to Bonstock
[We will purchase one (1) WOLFHOUND device as a last resort weapon. This will be conducted as discreetly as possible, if you release this information to anyone, we will cancel the order. We already have our own Hypersonic Oribtal Strike Craft, however. The money will be transferred upon confirmation]
Holy panooly
29-12-2003, 22:09
instead of a insanely powerful bomb i'd call it a godmod device
Jangle Jangle Ridge
29-12-2003, 22:26
100 of these devices. That should be 5 trillion USD...
Klonor
29-12-2003, 22:29
Dude, do you have to say that it blew up an entire Klonor Package Fleet? That is horrible for business. Come on! Just for that I'm going to post all my ads here in an attempt to regain any customers that I'd lose when people read that

The Klonor Space Technology, Ship, and Service stores! Widely regarded as some of the most complete and high-quality stores in all of Space NS, they easily fill almost all of the requirements that any customer might have. Come on down and equip yourself with all you need!

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Automagfreek
29-12-2003, 22:37
I promise you Bonstock, you will be ignored for this. My HOUND was called a godmod many times, and because yours is bigger...well....you know what to expect.

And yes, I still hold the patents on the HOUND and HOUND V2.
The Resi Corporation
29-12-2003, 22:40
Well Bon, we're on good terms so I won't give you hell about making a big bomb. But do you think that just MAYBE you could come up with an original name? :?
Johnistan
29-12-2003, 22:41
A nuclear bomb always sends a EMP pulse outm frying electronics, not humans.
Automagfreek
29-12-2003, 22:43
Bonstock, be very careful who you sell these things to.

Also, I'm going to create a thread in NS about this.
Omz222
29-12-2003, 22:44
250,000 megatons!!?? 250 gigatons!!?? And I thought these 300 megaton bombs some have are big :shock:

How much does this weigh anyways? :shock:
Johnistan
29-12-2003, 22:46
A nuclear weapon that size is impossible.
Omz222
29-12-2003, 22:48
--Deleted by me--
Chellis
29-12-2003, 22:51
I ignore nukes as is... lol
Galdania
29-12-2003, 22:55
If Bonstock can have a bomb that big, we have a Death Star. :roll:
Johnistan
29-12-2003, 22:56
I can have a bomb powerful enough to take out a solar system.
Automagfreek
29-12-2003, 22:58
A nuclear weapon that size is impossible.

In real life, yes. But remember that NS is not real life. At least I justified my HOUND, which wasn't nearly as large as Bonstocks.
29-12-2003, 22:59
I hope this is fuure tech, cos then i can atleast suspend reality.

Even in a NS size world (which if real would have to have a HUGE mass, causing us to stick to the ground like jelly fish, or HUGE population density causing us to leive so close that if i got a cold 1000 other people would), you would still require to harness the entire engergy of a star for such a High explosive yield. Energy cant be destroyed or created, it can meerly be transfered. The energy of that bomb has to come from somewere, and the only place capable of sustaining such a high ammount would infact be the sun.

Such a Bomb, is theoreticly Impossible, as you would need to find a way, to push such Huge ammounts of energy, out of the sun, world, anything else that stores vast ammounts, and into this one Huge explosion at this One point in time. You might aswell have ceased all nuclear action in the earths core, then set it off in One Huge Explosion. Im not a Physics student or anything, but from what ive read, and remeber, its impossible to harness more energy then there is going through that area at any given time. So for that to happen, the 1000 mile radius (which is wrong as the central crater alone would consume that) would have to have 250,000 Megatonnes of Energy within it (thats why you get the EMP, because its removing the energy into the explosion if am correct)

1 Megatonne= 2,977,789,639,020,840 Joules

An Industrialised Country of 30-40million people would use about 500 meggatonnes of energy a year.
Then you can put another 500 Megatonnes on For "natural" Energies, depending on the size of the region

This bomb is impossible if im correct.

Though i could be COMPLETELY wrong and you should look it up before takning my word for it.
Johnistan
29-12-2003, 23:00
A bunch of 50 megaton nukes is better then one big one for killing a nation. One nuke is easy to shoot down and intercept.
Bonstock
29-12-2003, 23:02
AMF, I apologise for the name. I'll see if I can find a different acronym.

OK. I guess 250,000 megatons is pushing it by a lot. I'll tone it down to 25,000.

Basiclly the bomb's impact is like the collision of Earth and a 1 kilometer radius asteroid. If that collision happened with RL Earth, then it would kill at least 1.5 billion people, and probably many more. It's something like the "asteroid that killed the dinosaurs," so I sorta had to use the pic that might offend AMF. I'll take the pic out.

Then again, this DID take six RL months to make. I've been planning my doomsday device since late June.

Klonor, stop spamming my thread. Although for you, yes, it is really bad for business. This is the demise of large capital space ships.

Jangle Jangle Ridge, I only have a few, and the rate of building is slow. How about ten bombs?

New Empire: The Bonstocknian Commision on Exporting Weapons of Mass Destruction is now performing a background check.

This is supposed to be a new bomb that will overshadow even the HOUND. It is supposed to be a bomb that will make nations tremble, and force nations to the negotiating table, lest they have one exploding on them. This ultra powerful weapon, if sold to the correct people, could make the world more peaceful. If not, well... doom will befall us all.
29-12-2003, 23:09
29-12-2003, 23:11
25,000 is still alot, youd only need a 500 Megatonne Bomb to wipe out the Entire of Australia(or a planet the size of the moon) Keeping in mind australia is about the siz of china with 1.1 billion People .

Heck 1000 Megatonnes is necessary tops, and 25,000 Would still engulf the entirety of Europe and Asia with immediate effect. Though it is now THEORECTICALLY possible.
29-12-2003, 23:12
Nanakaland, originally created in March, condemns this WOLFHOUND, as it is too powerful.

[OOC: I just read AMF's thread in the NationStates forum. This WOLFHOUND is unethical.]
Omz222
29-12-2003, 23:19
Omz222
29-12-2003, 23:31
25,000 megaton aka 25 gigaton!? :shock:

No offense Bonstock, I'd say that's pushing the limits. Aside from a nuke, just building these will require a lot of materials. Also, I don't think any aircraft, missiles, or even spaceships could carry conventional 25 gigaton explosives. Just carrying a tiny MOAB, which weights approx. 9850kg/0.009 kiloton requires a modified cargo plane, since the bomb can't even fit into the bomb way.

And 25,000 megaton (25,000,000 kiloton/25,000,000,000,000kg I believe) would be utterly impossible.
29-12-2003, 23:37
25,000 megaton aka 25 gigaton!? :shock:

No offense Bonstock, I'd say that's pushing the limits. Aside from a nuke, just building these will require a lot of materials. Also, I don't think any aircraft, missiles, or even spaceships could carry conventional 25 gigaton explosives. Just carrying a tiny MOAB, which weights approx. 9850kg/0.009 kiloton requires a modified cargo plane, since the bomb can't even fit into the bomb way.

And 25,000 megaton (25,000,000 kiloton/25,000,000,000,000kg I believe) would be utterly impossible.

Nice point. It would have to be launched via a massive space station custom built for it. That would cost $25,000,000,000,000.
29-12-2003, 23:38
As i said, i hope its Future tech, explosives are getting lighter and lighter (look at PE, C4 ect.)so you could claim youve developed a Extremely light explosive, i was more concerned with the " shit man, theres not that much energy in a 1000 mile radius" side of the weapon
imported_Skepticism
29-12-2003, 23:41
OOC: I must concur with AMF. As I was not willing to accept the HOUND as legit, neither shall I accept this Godmodding-ly low-priced doomsday device. If nothing else the weapon itself would have to weigh tens if not hundreds of thousands of tons.
New Empire
29-12-2003, 23:47
Hold it, cancel the order. I just looked up the old HOUND, and did some quick calculations with my crappy physics skills.
29-12-2003, 23:47
2 nukes please. And a ship. Heres my GDP (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=furi%20kuri%20and%20flcl&defenseprovided=50&defense=50&militarybudget=50) if needed
Omz222
29-12-2003, 23:47
Nice point. It would have to be launched via a massive space station custom built for it. That would cost $25,000,000,000,000.
That's just for the conventional explosives (since he's saying something about "conventional atomic explosion" and failed to mention radiation, etc.). For a nuke however, that is still too much. The 50-something megaton bomb the Soviet Union built was huge.
29-12-2003, 23:48
you could just build and launch them from space, that way the more it weighs the better.

cool idea. if you got enough heat shilding and launched it at saturn you could theoreticly create a new star now wouldent that be fun. i think i will try to buy 1 and do that.

i would like one of your T-1 bombs plz will wire 50 billon on confirmation :twisted:
Bonstock
29-12-2003, 23:55
Webbles, I guess if you promise to use it for science only, and NEVER around Earth, I might confirm. But for now, consider it denied because you are too young.


FK&FLCL, you don't appear to be expeirienced enough to use these. For now I'll deny your order.
Bonstock
30-12-2003, 00:04
Nice point. It would have to be launched via a massive space station custom built for it. That would cost $25,000,000,000,000.
That's just for the conventional explosives (since he's saying something about "conventional atomic explosion" and failed to mention radiation, etc.). For a nuke however, that is still too much. The 50-something megaton bomb the Soviet Union built was huge.

OOC: When I said conventional, I meant it wasn't launched from space, like AMF's HOUND was. I meant to say it was an ultra powerful atomic bomb that instead of being launched from space was launched conventionally. Yes, it does have radiation, and most of the effects of an asteroid with the diameter of 1 kilometer (killing off 1.5 billion people, 250,000 megaton).

Yes, it is sorta future tech. It can easily be used against capital space ships, as shown by the destruction of a fully equipped Klonor battle fleet.

I may have to check it again, but I might have confused the 250,000 megaton with 250,000 kiloton for the impact of an asteroid with 1km diameter. Still huge, probably nation killing, but more managable.

Essentially, no warhead has ever had such effect, so I went with what would happen if a 1 km diameter asteroid hit Earth. The weapon itself is huge, taking up all of the space of a conventional bomber, but it is really one big nuke that can destroy everything in a 1,000 km radius, and cause damage out to 3,000 km, and have consequences throughtout the world.
30-12-2003, 00:13
Webbles, I guess if you promise to use it for science only, and NEVER around Earth, I might confirm. But for now, consider it denied because you are too young.


FK&FLCL, you don't appear to be expeirienced enough to use these. For now I'll deny your order. Hold on. Webb's nation was founded in 11 Nov 2003, a whole month before my nation. But he still gets that badass nuke even though he's only been around for 1.5 month.
Okay, I'll never use it on a newbie, I promise. Or a nOOb. And all I need is one. And a ship, and thats it. I'll just use it for science only, and NEVER around Earth. You have the word of Takkun Naota.
30-12-2003, 00:22
OOC: Look, I really think his setup could work. It would require a massive bomb, yes, and it probably would require some form of radioactive material beyond any currently known (somewhere around 122 or so on the periodic table, so that it can match with either uranium or plutonium) and would therefore be very heavy. With enough of a reaction, however, it could possibly work. The explosion itself couldn't wipe out everything within 1000 miles, but the radiation could.
IC: We respectfully request one such nuclear device be delivered to us for normal payment, so that our scientists may study the device and attempt to create an effective countermeasure.
30-12-2003, 00:22
30-12-2003, 00:22
OOC: Look, I really think his setup could work. It would require a massive bomb, yes, and it probably would require some form of radioactive material beyond any currently known (somewhere around 122 or so on the periodic table, so that it can match with either uranium or plutonium) and would therefore be very heavy. With enough of a reaction, however, it could possibly work. The explosion itself couldn't wipe out everything within 1000 miles, but the radiation could.
IC: We respectfully request one such nuclear device be delivered to us for normal payment, so that our scientists may study the device and attempt to create an effective countermeasure.
Kelanis
30-12-2003, 00:26
No. No, no, no, no, no.

You don't seem to understand nuclear weapons that well, Bonstock.

1. The electromagnetic wave this weapon produces will not harm people. Or buildings. Only electronics. It's called EMP.

2. A nuclear explosion grows exponentially in size as the yield of the bomb goes up, but only to a certain point. Around the 25 megaton mark, the blast is as big as it's going to get, and increasing the yield of the weapon further will get you a very, very MINOR area increase. A 25,000 megaton weapon like that would have an energy efficiency so low i don't even want to go into it. All you're doing is making the fireball hotter, and all that's doing is wasting energy. A 25 megaton weapon would do the same thing. Total destruction. What's the point of making a hotter fireball? 'Oo, look! I can make a hotter nuclear fireball than you!!!' Who cares? Everyone dies anyway, 25 megatons or 25,000.
Basically, it's FAR more efficient to create a smaller weapon like 500 kilotons worth. This weapon, well, it's just a waste of good plutonium and money.

Efficiency is the key word, rather than a gigantic, hard-to-transport fat-ass bomb that will leave a crater 3 miles across and render Ground Zero uninhabitable for the next 3 million years.

In light of nations trying to develop these impossible 'uberbombs', Kelanis is deploying the Reasonable Nuclear Yield Shield, which perma-ignores any idiot who uses bombs like this that are way too big and just plain stupid.

No way in hell this will destroy the planet. None. Zip. Zilch. nada.
AOE: maybe 40-50 miles out from GZ. no more. EMP effects and fallout stretching to 100 or so, with fallout moving depending on wind.
30-12-2003, 00:36
I think i basically said that in one of my posts, not about the heat though, good call. I was focusing more on the impossibillity of there being enough energy to create such a bomb in the EMP radius.
Bonstock
30-12-2003, 00:37
No. It's not EMPs. It's a chain reaction type thing that destroys atoms.


But oh well. I'm taking the bomb out of production anyway.


All people who have ordered bombs, you don't get them. I apologize. It's too dangerous, whether theoretically possible or not.
Kelanis
30-12-2003, 00:38
No. It's not EMPs. It's a chain reaction type thing that destroys atoms.


But oh well. I'm taking the bomb out of production anyway.


All people who have ordered bombs, you don't get them. I apologize. It's too dangerous, whether theoretically possible or not.

A chain reaction thing? Sounds more like an anti-matter weapon to me.
30-12-2003, 00:40
No. It's not EMPs. It's a chain reaction type thing that destroys atoms.


But oh well. I'm taking the bomb out of production anyway.


All people who have ordered bombs, you don't get them. I apologize. It's too dangerous, whether theoretically possible or not. What about ships. 5 will do just fine. You aren't canceling those too are you. We could load our own missle payload on.
30-12-2003, 00:42
Anti Matter is even more Theoretical. Its part of String Theory isnt it?
Bonstock
30-12-2003, 00:43
ooc:Yes it is anti matter. Remember, its sorta future tech.

ic:
Furi Kuri, confirmed.
30-12-2003, 00:46
I bet that would give you a head ache :?
Kelanis
30-12-2003, 00:47
Anti Matter is even more Theoretical. Its part of String Theory isnt it?

Correct. Some future tech nations RP with anti-matter stuff, but in RL we haven't even proven it exists in our universe... yet.

But that's what this sounds like. A wave that destroys everything in its path. Only something like anti-matter, which annihilates normal matter on contact, could do something like that, and it's not even around yet.
30-12-2003, 00:50
Ill take 3.
30-12-2003, 00:51
heh im not a Physics student so im never sure about this stuff. I do alot of Self teaching on stuff like this, which is why i wasnt sure about the energy consumption of my initial post.

You heard the big angs place in String theory? the idea of two universes colliding ogether, wiping eachother out then restarting is pretty cool, but it could happen and wed all be gone, not dead, gone, before we had a chance to take a breath.
30-12-2003, 01:00
.:Wired 25 billon USD to Bonstock:.
Nice doing business with you.
Soviet Haaregrad
30-12-2003, 01:04
instead of a insanely powerful bomb i'd call it a godmod device

I agree, 250 GT is impossible with today's tech, hell, 250 MT is a very, very large nuke.
Zecro
30-12-2003, 01:06
Dude. We need a physics engeneer on this. Maybe I can get someone to check this out, although I do think that a bomb that size, if exploded at ground level would probobaly destroy enough crust in an earth-size planet to cause massive ammounts of mantle to pour forth from the bowels of the earth and cause massive destruction. Also, I once read somewhere that if a present-day nuke was exploded so far in the atmosphere, EMP would cover the whole world and render all electronics uselsess. Therefore, a bomb that could destroy a Kolnor fleet, if detonated so far in the atmopshere would render at least 10% of all electronics on a NS-world unsuable, which would result in much flaming the country that blew the bomb.
But that's what I just read.
On a slightly diffrent topic, the NS-size world is impossible, as it's gravity would be much too huge to allow anything to fly/move. Instead, why don't we assume that the planet is earth-size, but all the objects/people are very tiny. Meaning that everything ON the earth, not earth would be scaled down Y%. At least i think that should work.

Zecro would like to thank Bonstock for taking such destructive powers off the open market. But we are a bit concerned about this incident giving other nations ideas about creating their own WMD.
30-12-2003, 01:11
I hope this is fuure tech, cos then i can atleast suspend reality.

Even in a NS size world (which if real would have to have a HUGE mass, causing us to stick to the ground like jelly fish, or HUGE population density causing us to leive so close that if i got a cold 1000 other people would), you would still require to harness the entire engergy of a star for such a High explosive yield. Energy cant be destroyed or created, it can meerly be transfered. The energy of that bomb has to come from somewere, and the only place capable of sustaining such a high ammount would infact be the sun.

Such a Bomb, is theoreticly Impossible, as you would need to find a way, to push such Huge ammounts of energy, out of the sun, world, anything else that stores vast ammounts, and into this one Huge explosion at this One point in time. You might aswell have ceased all nuclear action in the earths core, then set it off in One Huge Explosion. Im not a Physics student or anything, but from what ive read, and remeber, its impossible to harness more energy then there is going through that area at any given time. So for that to happen, the 1000 mile radius (which is wrong as the central crater alone would consume that) would have to have 250,000 Megatonnes of Energy within it (thats why you get the EMP, because its removing the energy into the explosion if am correct)

1 Megatonne= 2,977,789,639,020,840 Joules

An Industrialised Country of 30-40million people would use about 500 meggatonnes of energy a year.
Then you can put another 500 Megatonnes on For "natural" Energies, depending on the size of the region

This bomb is impossible if im correct.

Though i could be COMPLETELY wrong and you should look it up before takning my word for it.

I just said all of that!!! lol
Jangle Jangle Ridge
30-12-2003, 04:14
AMF, I apologise for the name. I'll see if I can find a different acronym.

OK. I guess 250,000 megatons is pushing it by a lot. I'll tone it down to 25,000.

Basiclly the bomb's impact is like the collision of Earth and a 1 kilometer radius asteroid. If that collision happened with RL Earth, then it would kill at least 1.5 billion people, and probably many more. It's something like the "asteroid that killed the dinosaurs," so I sorta had to use the pic that might offend AMF. I'll take the pic out.

Then again, this DID take six RL months to make. I've been planning my doomsday device since late June.

Klonor, stop spamming my thread. Although for you, yes, it is really bad for business. This is the demise of large capital space ships.

Jangle Jangle Ridge, I only have a few, and the rate of building is slow. How about ten bombs?

New Empire: The Bonstocknian Commision on Exporting Weapons of Mass Destruction is now performing a background check.

This is supposed to be a new bomb that will overshadow even the HOUND. It is supposed to be a bomb that will make nations tremble, and force nations to the negotiating table, lest they have one exploding on them. This ultra powerful weapon, if sold to the correct people, could make the world more peaceful. If not, well... doom will befall us all.

Hey, if it's that hard, than they aren't that cheap...
30-12-2003, 04:23
Bonstock webbles fully understands and respects your decision, also were are going to send you five boxes of assorted donuts with a friendly card. We hope you will keep making wise decisions with your really big bombs because most beople dont like being vaporized. hope to contact you again in the future about the matter.

P.S. the donuts were shiped by a small rocket that will tuch down outside your capital it is bright pink, so dont shoot it down. the ones with chocolate frosting and a cream center tast the best enjoy :D
Pacific Northwesteria
30-12-2003, 04:42
I hope this is fuure tech, cos then i can atleast suspend reality.

Even in a NS size world (which if real would have to have a HUGE mass, causing us to stick to the ground like jelly fish, or HUGE population density causing us to leive so close that if i got a cold 1000 other people would), you would still require to harness the entire engergy of a star for such a High explosive yield. Energy cant be destroyed or created, it can meerly be transfered. The energy of that bomb has to come from somewere, and the only place capable of sustaining such a high ammount would infact be the sun.

Such a Bomb, is theoreticly Impossible, as you would need to find a way, to push such Huge ammounts of energy, out of the sun, world, anything else that stores vast ammounts, and into this one Huge explosion at this One point in time. You might aswell have ceased all nuclear action in the earths core, then set it off in One Huge Explosion. Im not a Physics student or anything, but from what ive read, and remeber, its impossible to harness more energy then there is going through that area at any given time. So for that to happen, the 1000 mile radius (which is wrong as the central crater alone would consume that) would have to have 250,000 Megatonnes of Energy within it (thats why you get the EMP, because its removing the energy into the explosion if am correct)

1 Megatonne= 2,977,789,639,020,840 Joules

An Industrialised Country of 30-40million people would use about 500 meggatonnes of energy a year.
Then you can put another 500 Megatonnes on For "natural" Energies, depending on the size of the region

This bomb is impossible if im correct.

Though i could be COMPLETELY wrong and you should look it up before takning my word for it.

You're on the right track, but the way I understand it (never taken a class, I just have an interest) energy can be "stored" in many different ways (chemical bonds, e.g.) and concentrated at one area. Thus, it's not the amount of energy travelling through that space at that time, it's the amount of energy available wherever it's being collected, over the amount of time that it's being collected. Nuclear fusion (I'm assuming a bomb this big isn't fission) works the way that the sun does, combining hydrogen atoms to make helium. The thing is, a helium is lighter (by a tiny bit) than two hydrogens (assuming the hydrogen is "tritium". This matter was converted to pure energy, using the equation E=MC^2. 250,000 MT is still extremely unrealistic, because only a miniscule fraction of the weight of the hydrogen is converted. To get that blast, around 10 metric tons would have to be converted! Even at perfect efficiency, which is impossible (a lot of the energy produced must go towards sustaining the reaction) the bomb would have to way somewhere around 2 billion metric tons. To give you an idea, in order to even get this thing off the ground you would need about 50 Saturn V rockets. And if you didn't already know... THOSE ARE BIG. So, all in all, it's impossible to deliver. Oh, and another reason that it's impossible to deliver... I don't believe there's any material in existance strong enough to keep something like that in the air. To reply, please telegram me, as I probably won't recheck this thread.
Foe Hammer
30-12-2003, 06:56
About one year ago, a Bonstocknian pilot blew herself up with one of these near a Klonor built package fleet. The entire fleet was vaporized.

This new bomb in known as Project Megaphone, also known as T-1 (ooc: name changed due to copyright reasons; much apologies to AMF)
It is a new type of munition designed to suppress atomic particles over incredible ranges, destroying entire nations in one quick shot.

It starts as a conventional atomic explosion (atually, a really big one):

http://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/oconnell/astr121/im/globe-impact-davis-plus.jpg

But then it sends a wave of electromagnetic energy around that destroys everything within a 1,000 mile radius.

Destruction still occurs out to 3,000 miles.

Caution: It just may cause debris to collect in Earth's atmoshpere, lowering the Earth's temperature. It would destroy an RL sized earth.

If you want to destroy a nation, this is what to use. But beware, you may piss off bordering nations.

BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL WHEN USING THIS!!! It is likely that to many of these in one area will destroy the world entirely.

If you want something better, I'll give you a 1km diameter asteroid.

The explosion yields approximatly 250,000 MT of damage. That would destroy an NS sized nation, and the nations surrounding it if the place were small enough.

A pic of the crater:

http://www.ecology.com/earth-at-a-glance/earth-at-a-glance-feature/images/3.jpg

That would be Bonstock if we were hit by one. Unlike the AMF built HOUND, T1 is a nation killer, and will terminate even the largest of nations. Small nations will be destroyed along with their bordering nations. Island nations will be blasted into the ocean.

Unlike the AMF Hound, this is a conventional nuclear warhead. It can be carried on an ICBM or as a bomb.

Price: 50 billion USD

This is considered the most effective method of delivering the bomb to its target:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/b-3_image_super_fsa.jpg

Name: B-10 Hypersonic Strike Aircraft
Function: Bomber, with secondary cargo/passenger/spacelift capability
Altitude: space capable
Speed: Mach 10
Engine: Flygsmotor Hypersonic SCRAMJET engine, can be powered by rockets
Crew: 4
Price: 6 billion USD

Designed years ago, it has only now been cleared for production and possible export.

Note: These technologies took me literaly since late June to finally get ready. Will only be sold to trusted nations. We WILL do background checks on everyone who orders.

Will not sell to any enemies of Bonstock. If you have ever been in a war with Bonstock, you may as well turn around.

n00bs, go away. This is not the weapon for you. When you get older, come back and see me.

ooc: This is the ultimate weapon. No weapon like it exists in the world. We will only build a few, but we ourselves will only use them if we really really need to. Only if national survival itself is in danger would we use this bomb. IE, if we're invaded, on the verge of collapse, defeat inevitable, then we MIGHT use it.

What with the increased Pirate Activity around the Nordlund System, we have given it great thought over long periods of time.

We, the Space Empire of Foe Hammer, wish to purchase two T-1 Nuclear devices. Rest assured that said devices will only be used in a last-minute, absolutely-100%-positivly-NEED-TO-USE scenario.

Will you sell us these devices?
Holy panooly
30-12-2003, 10:34
This weapon is total nonsense. It's too big, way overpriced and overpowered. godmodbomb if you ask me...
30-12-2003, 11:31
there is a small problem I forgot to say... if a bomb more powerful than a 56 mt explodes there is a small probability that the core of the explosion reach the fusion temperature of the nitrogen, if that happens the entire nitrogen in the atmosphere will evaporate... a world without nitrogen??? mhh... a catastrophic end of the world!!!

when in 1960 Nikita Krusciov wants to do it, there was 1 probability per 1 billion, but his nukes was "ONLY" 56 mt..... your is 250'000!!!!
Kalmykhia
30-12-2003, 22:17
Sethesh, a nuke works on the process of convering matter to energy. It is like creating energy in a way. The matter is destroyed and energy is created is one way of thinking of it, so you need enough uranium to make 25 gigatons of power by E=MC squared, where M = mass of object in grams, and C is the speed of light in centimetres per second (30,000,000,000). I think E is in joules, and I believe a gigaton is equal to 4.186x10^18 joules, which is a bit more than what you stated. (about 1.5 times, I think it may be a more accurate value, based on the explosive power of TNT. Feel free to correct me, because I worked this out, not found it from an SI table). The worlds largest nuclear weapon, the 60mt Tsar Bomba that was mentioned, achieved an efficiency of 50% or so. Therefore, the 25 gigaton bomb would produce about 210,000,000,000,000,000,000 (2.1x10^20 or 210 quintillion) joules of energy. It would require a mass of aprroximately 7,000,000,000 (7x10^9) grams, or 7,000 tonnes to produce this energy. Even if you increase the efficiency (which mightn't be possible, I do not know, my nuclear physics knowledge isn't encyclopaedic), it WILL not go below 3,500 tonnes (No futuristic material or anything can change this. It's the
Theory of Relativity). It's more likely to be 5-6,000 tonnes of fissionable and fusionable material, plus whatever the explosives and bomb casing would weigh. On an ICBM? Or an SLBM? A nuclear missile submarine weighs about the same as two or three of those bombs (five if it's a Typhoon). I know of no rocket on earth that could transport that. So that means space. And it would be phenomenally expensive to get this material into space. At $100,000 dollars per pound (what I've heard for payload costs), or about $200,000,000 dollars per ton, getting one bomb into space would cost about two trillion dollars. Just getting it into space. Making it? Well, actually not TOO much. Maybe a couple of trillion dollars (not too much, when you think of its destructive capability) or so each. Plus development costs. And you can't test it to see if it works. And this is all ignoring the possibility that such a large nuclear explosion may be impossible (once again, I'm not sure). Check out this guide to nuclear physics and weapons for more information: Nuclear Weapons (http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/), especially the Nuclear Weapons FAQ. Oh, and why would all the nitrogen fusion? When a normal nuke goes off, it doesn't. And the fusion temperature is created by the small primary, which is rarely more than a few megatons. I know this is a bit pointless, seeing as he's stopped making them, but I spent ages writing this, so I'm damn well posting it!
30-12-2003, 22:28
And ive read it:) you should join ISAT.

The Bomb doesnt produce energy it meerly removes it, even the energy stored i sound would be absorbed into the explosion(thats why nukes are initially quiet untill the EMP is over) there isnt 250,000 Megatonnes of energy flying around or stored on the planets surface that would make such a weapon possible.

The bomb would waste most of its Radioactive material, meerly exploding it and spreading it around the earth, and the energy it does absorb would make the blast point so hot that you could actually Cause fusion in nitrogen particles the worlds, removing 70% of the planets atmosphere there and then.
30-12-2003, 23:08
Oh, and why would all the nitrogen fusion? When a normal nuke goes off, it doesn't. And the fusion temperature is created by the small primary, which is rarely more than a few megatons. I know this is a bit pointless, seeing as he's stopped making them, but I spent ages writing this, so I'm damn well posting it!

i did not invent it, i know that there was a great debate between a lot scientists in 1960!!
31-12-2003, 02:07
What with the increased Pirate Activity around the Nordlund System, we have given it great thought over long periods of time.

We, the Space Empire of Foe Hammer, wish to purchase two T-1 Nuclear devices. Rest assured that said devices will only be used in a last-minute, absolutely-100%-positivly-NEED-TO-USE scenario.

Will you sell us these devices? I think you missed the train. He stopped selling these things yesterday because they were unrealistic. But they do have some ripin', kickass, ships. Load some of your missile payload in, and set the cities ablaze and no one will know who attacked. I got 5 0f them. HEE, HEE, HEE!
The Fedral Union
31-12-2003, 02:36
The Fedral Union will not codone the use or horbouring of sutch wepons

( and How in the world can a nuke be that power full the only bomb that can be that powerfull Would be an anti matter super fusion bomb .)
Kalmykhia
31-12-2003, 08:24
No, the bomb converts matter into energy. And there is easily enough matter to create the energy. The 60 megaton Tsar Bomba weighed 30 tonnes. Which means a 25 gigaton weapon could be made, weighing in at 12,500 tonnes. And I still don't know about the fusion. Any links? The high temperature required for fusion is only created by x-rays, and the temperature of the explosion is a couple of orders of magnitude too small. And no fusion on earth would be so perfect it could sustain over the whole planets surface, unless we fell into the sun. NB: this is all "to the best of my knowledge", it may be flawed.
31-12-2003, 11:08
ehm... i have a link, but is to an italian site....

http://jekyll.sissa.it/n08/articoli/n08_ar_7_report.htm
Kalmykhia
02-01-2004, 22:59
Here's something I found on the net. Search for "nitrogen fusion" and destroying the world on Google, and it's a PDF.

The first catastrophe mechanism seriously considered seems to have been the possibility, raised in the 1940s at Los
Alamos before the first atomic bomb tests, that fission or fusion bombs might ignite the atmosphere or oceans in an
unstoppable chain reaction. Investigation led to an analysis by Konopinski et al. [3] which fairly definitively refuted
the possibility. Compton was later reported, in a published interview [4] with Pearl Buck, as saying that he had
decided not to proceed with the bomb tests if it were proved that the chances of global catastrophe were greater than
three in a million, but that in the event calculation proved the figures slightly less.
It is hard to understand how any meaningful calculation could have produced such a risk figure. The analysis of
Ref. [3] gives convincing arguments against the possibility of a catastrophic chain reaction, based on well established
physical principles. It concludes that it is unreasonable to expect a chain reaction propagated by nitrogen-nitrogen
fusion reactions, and that an unlimited chain reaction consuming the atmosphere is less likely still. Other possible
reactions, involving protons in clouds of steam liberated from the oceans, are also considered and argued to be less
dangerous still. Konopinski et al. do note the “distant probability” that the mode of propagation of the reaction
in the atmosphere might be more complicated than their analysis allows, in which case its conclusions might not
apply, and they suggest that the complexity of their argument and the absence of a satisfactory experimental basis
for it makes further work on the subject highly desirable. However, they offer nothing resembling a catastrophe risk
estimate, nor any results from which a quantitative estimate could be derived.


So, it would seem that scientists dismissed this, and it seems to have been proved right, because they believed ANY fusion reaction could produce this result. However, I'd say something of this got lost in the translation. Hope that helps. It also mentions the three (not one) in a billion chance you mentioned.