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The Confederacy of Benicius has recently constructed several medium sized aircraft carriers which have been designed with Gestar 2006 waterscrew engines. This technology, having been perfected over a number of years by several nations in a joint effort is now up for sale to respectful nations. Depending on what engine specs nations provide will influence the cost. Conversions able to be undertaken from nuclear and diesel sources.

Yeah, sure, no.
Hi, little one-day nation.
Read the stickies please.

The Confederacy of Benicius has just completed construction of the last XXVII Wentworth Class Air Craft Carrier. At 900,000 tons and boasting 2000 Starfighters, one of these vessels rivals the biggest and best of all global ships...accompanied by 20 escorts, the Confederacy boasts 100 battle groups. Hardware and technology is not for sale...out-producing us is a waste of your resources and resistence is futile...Please feel free to join in friendship with the most powerful of nations.

I suggest you check out my discount aircraft thread. It'll come in handy when you wanna stock those carriers.

:lol:

I'm afraid that a 1 day nation could not have that kind of naval arsenal. Wait till your a bit older until you can have that kind of navy.

P.S:
Read the stickies.

Now... All i need is a few subs and ill sink the lot of them...


*Arms subs with ignore cannons*


*Attacks battle group.*


Waters clear boys

Someone please make a "Godmod song" that we can sing when threads like these are created.

:D Now that would be impressive...

Someone please make a "Godmod song" that we can sing when threads like these are created.

Excellent idea

To the tune of "I'm A Little Teapot":

You're a little godmod, over your head
Draw some more attention, and you will soon be dead
Everyone got steamed up when you said:
"I've got (uber-kewl-powerz)!" Read the stickies, go to bed!

Not bad, 7/10.

Sing to the tune of "I've been working on the railroad".

Yo-ou have been godmoding, all the live long day
Yo-ou better learn to role-play or we'll blow you the **** away
Stupid childish godmoder
Why must you hassle us so?
Stupid childish godmoder
For the last damn time, just go!

(I suck at this, I know)

Music: Losing my Religion - REM

NS is bigger
It's bigger than you
And you are not me
The lengths that I will go to
The distance in your eyes
Oh no I've said too much (background chorus: that's true)
I must shut up

That's me in the corner
That's me in the spotlight
Showing my noobility
Trying to compete with you
And I don't know how to do it (background chorus: you don't!)
Oh no I've said too much (background chorus: you really did)
I have said enough
I thought that I heard you laughing (background chorus: that's true)
I thought that I heard you smiling
I think I thought I saw you try to nuke me

Every whisper
Of every waking hour I'm
F***ing this forum
Trying to keep an eye on you
Like a hurt lost and blinded fool
Oh no I've said too much (background chorus: that's true)
I ****ed it up

Consider this
The hint of the century
Consider this
The slip that brought me
To my knees failed
What if all these fantasies
Come flailing around
Now I've said too much (background chorus: you did)
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you smiling
I think I thought I saw you try to nuke me

But that was just a dream
That was just a dream (background chorus: it was...)

Now... All i need is a few subs and ill sink the lot of them...


*Arms subs with ignore cannons*


*Attacks battle group.*


Waters clear boys

Sadly for you, in your futile act of aggression a mere 2 escorts of mine were sunk. This is interpreted as an act of war. Our nation is very young, but you forget that before Lord Benicius ascended the throne, the nation was already relatively powerful. As for population in terms of military numbers, our aircraft are non combatant and our ships have minimal crew.

You're going to outproduce people with 5 million people in your nation? Stupid noob godmodder, what are you, 12? Go back to Neopets...

Somebody with nuclear torpedos sink this fool... Your country's GDP isn't enough to buy the ammunition necessary to make your battlegroup battle ready.

A 900,000 ton AC carrier would,
a) not carry 2000 planes
b) not be able to move at more than about 10-15knots...with numerous nuclear reactors.
c) would be vulnerable to almost any weapon, including high-altitude carpet-bombing
d) would be nearly impossible to manufacture (would be impossible for you to manufacture)
e) would be completely useless tactically, since the carrier needs to follow a 'box' path to launch its aircraft...and the turning radius of your ship would be tremendous.

Further problems with your claims/ideas:
a) Your entire nation would need to be in the military to crew and support a fraction of the claimed fleets,
b) Your nation couldn't afford the upkeep on a single such ship, let alone a fleet as you describe it, let alone all of those fleets,

Corrective actions to be taken:
a) stop, start over,
b) read the in-forum stickies about godmoding and military support,

People seem to be against trade, why is this so?

Sure :roll:

OOC- stupid DP

OOC: In all honesty, the excuses hold little weight and only have carried you into new godmoding territory.

How?
By claiming a preexistance before your existance that generates unusual capabilities (like the entire fleet).
By claiming that a region (possibly consisting of puppet states) has for some reason supported the construction.
By claiming unreasonable production rates, labor access, and abilities in the name of an economic style (free trade could still not produce such wealth (since trade is included in your GDP (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=benicius), of about 125bn), and capital-based economic systems still require great labor support.
By claiming impossible tasks (raising 900,000 tons into the air, and keeping it there), which are generally to be considered godmods of their own.
By applying engine systems to improper fields (ion engines work best in outerspace, minimally in high atmosphere, and without much worth in atmosphere or at sea).

A ship 10 times the mass of the Nimitz would carry less than 15 times the payload in terms of aircraft...more likely less than 10 times since space improvements are met with energy and crew needs. And that leaves you with less than 900-1350 aircraft.

The mass of the ship means that even low speeds would give the ship a great deal of momentum. In terms of naval vessels, you can have great size and power or great maneuverability and speed, but those tend to be on the far opposite sides of the spectrum...this ship is far off to to side of (over)power and (over) size.

n00bs. argh! sticky's aren't there to take up space!

There seems to be vast criticism of having 3 aircraft carriers...somehow certain nations see that as ridiculous? Perhaps the commotion is because a small nation was able to construct an vessel that is seen in many eyes as belonging only to superpowers?

Lol. Unmanned aircraft - we are role-playing with current technology, and at most 5 or so years into the future i.e JSF i.e, Challenger 3. 2000 Starfighters!? 100 battle groups?! Tell me that you're very misguided and just having a laugh. I bet you have nukes too, wait.. hold on, you have a fleet of SSBNs with 50 nukes and ten warheads apiece. I'm a week old nation and I boast great industrial and financial partnerships with all in Europe - yet at least I'm being realistic in my armed forces.
Your history is plausible, but you should at least get some posts up to get some credibility!
Check your GDP, check your population, ion engines in the sea??? unrealistic sizes for ships (not for another few decades). I guess you're running destroyers 10x as powerful as the Arleigh Burke class and subs 10x as powerful as the Astute class - wake up man (or 12 year old kid).
P.s. have you wondered why no one is joining 'in friendship with the most powerful of nations' - because they're all laughing at you.
Oh, and seriously, nice variation of REM Hugoland by the way.

Just when you've thought you've seen it all. Are they made out of cardboard? Where can I buy one?

A lone Skullzz B-6 "Vulture" flew low over the ocean. Moments later, a massive fleet of cardboard warships began to dot the horizon.

Pilot: "Beginning first run, load IGNORE munitions."

Copilot: "Roger that, IGNORE bombs ready for deployment"

A single Ignore bomb was dropped into the water near Benicius's fleet, toppling every cardboard aircraft carrier within 1,000 miles. Skullzz's losses are estimated at... well the captain has something stuck in his teeth, does that count any?

There seems to be vast criticism of having 3 aircraft carriers...somehow certain nations see that as ridiculous? Perhaps the commotion is because a small nation was able to construct an vessel that is seen in many eyes as belonging only to superpowers?

Sorry to break up your historical "revisionism," but the misrepresentation (ie, changing) of claims post-fact is not going to stave off the title of n00b until the lesson is truly learned.

Your original claim was a 900,000 ton AC carrier with an aircraft capacity of 2000 planes (and each carrier supposedly had a high speed . You claimed that you had a 100 battle groups, which each contained one of these carriers + 20 other major escourt vessels.

See:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2466614#2466614

Furthermore, the original post here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2469573#2469573

Contained your claim to being a very old nation, which had just recently been reorganized under a new government, and which had the support of your region....claiming lowered costs and increased abilities due to a free-market economy. The fact that you've changed these claims (and the dates show that it happened a day after the last arguments) is only a further display of the puerile nature of your claims. Grow up and stand up...accept when you make mistakes and make up for them (don't just insert seemingly innocuous statements in the place of your previous, failed arguments).

As far as I can tell, the shift to 3 AC carriers from 100 megacarriers is a positive step...but even that should, in more than theory, be out of your reach.

Now. IF you would like to gain respect here then I'd suggest doing it the honest way: by owning up for your screw-ups and asking for help when it is needed.

Conspiracies will do u no good. The Dictatorship of Benicius takes no responsibility for these outrageous claims. The Fuhrer cannot be expected to speak on behalf of our former administrators.

Ministry of Information.

By order of the Fuhrer, the Dictatorship of Benicius will no longer be conversing on this thread.

Heil Benicius!
Secretary to the Minister for Communications,
Dictatorship of Benicius.