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Today, I am proud to announce to the world that researchers at the PRS civilian power research group(CPRG) have discovered a new form of electrical power that will work well for nearly every nation. As most nations are situated above untapped underground rivers that many people have never even been aware of, we at the CPRG had decided to experiment with various forms of power generated by it. we discovered that a series of underground turbines aligned along a favorable section of the rivers would produce as much electricity as a much more dangerous and larger nuclear plant. In short, we have discovered a renewable source of powerful and long-lasting energy. Since this discovery, we have decided to sell the production rights, blueprints, and research to various other nations. The final price decided upon was 500 Billion USD. Though the price may seem steep, consider the advantages of the revolutionary Underground Stream Turbine System(USTS)
1- A renewable source of energy.
2- A cheap method of energy generation.
3. A safe method of energy generation.
4- A clean source of energy.
5- Almost Impossible to destroy.

Almost Impossible to destroy? That's right. Since most of these rivers are miles underground and the turbines are encased in heavy armor to withstand the tectonic prssure, this method of power production is nearly impossible, short of planting multiple nukes underground, to destroy.

So hurry! Buy production rights today!

Chief Scientist and C.E.O. Franz Ineld of the CPRG

ONE TRILLION?? That's over your budget! That's over mine... :(

Not even I would pay for that if I could afford it... Good ol' nuclear is the best way to go for me! :D And besides, what if those turbines broke down from natural wear and tear of usage? Then what?

Yes, other nations will buy it FROM me. But, if that's too much, you may propose counter-offers.

Umm, the power would have to eventually go up to be converted for civilian use and sent out, that's all someone would need to destroy to disrupt power.

You could sell the design... :idea:

And umm, what is to stop me from stealing your design? :)

There, price is reduced. And as for your question, all parts in the turbines are made from top quality metals that are scanned constantly and have a guaranteed life of at least 175 years.( If they break, refunds will be issued and numerous technicians and engineers will be shot). If one of the turbines breaks down, repair squads will be sent through the underground rivers(From their outlets into large bodies of water) to fix the turbines immediately.

$750 BILLION???? You're never going to sell any production rights. Ever.

What if i decide to invade your country and steal your ideas and your land?

Doujin, your technicians first don't know the optimal design of the turbines. Second, they don't know how to figure out the best place to situate the turbines. Finally, they don't know the best construction methods for the installation of the turbines miles underground without digging miles into tthe ground. Oh, and this power production is underground, so what do you think is also underground? The freaking power lines! of course, they would be sent through numerous failsafe areas so nothing could get to the generators.

I know...seriously :) No prod rights will be sold at this rate. I'm not saying the price is unreasonable, though.

Fine. The gods of the bunnies have commanded the price to be reduced to 500 bil. so we do it- Not because of anything you said. Finally, as for the invasion threats, we have such things called self-destruct. That is, a button or something of the sort is pressed and things such as designs and computers blow up.

Dont forget Samtonia, you are the president of an alliance of nations, who would be able to offer defence of your nation against an attack.

Hudecia, I said it to imply let it be known that my nation plans ahead. As for actual invasions of my land, i doubt that Elizabethshire is idiotic enough to do it, just more pointless threats from people who think me to be an idiot. SIGH.

Yes, the Alliance...

An those threats come from non-allied nations, unless I'm mistaken. :wink:

I'm in the UPNNS and allied with several 1.5+ billion nations ;)

The Elizabethshire Military takes with great displeasure your recent actions and statements and demands an apology! The Actions of one general who mused about taking your designs, land, people, treasury, doesnt represent the views of the Full Armed Republic of Elizabethshire. Armed Republic too is in a Huge Alliance of States.

THat is nice Doujin. But we don't want trouble from you. You never threatened my country. You merely brought up valuable arguments for me to proof in my power system. So, no hostilities betwwen our glorious alliances, K? :D

I'm in the UPNNS and allied with several 1.5+ billion nations ;)

Anyone know his Grand Toastiness of Geweher in IMP? He happens to be one of my easily bought friends. Give him a dollar, and he'll have his allies crashing in on you for a total invasion force in his own region of 8 billion.. then there's POHK, which adds up to about 5 or 6 billion... and I'm sure I could convince people like Skullzz and company to help... us evil people gotta stick together, no? I think I'm set for life! Hah. :D

Elizabethshire- We will apoligize only if you agree to stop talking as if you are invading us. All your actions were imperialistic and warmongering. Warmongering is not tolerated. We apologize to the government but would politely ask for this general's daily planner, adress, phone number, and e-mail- for no reason. :D But really, don't post imperialistic crap and then demand I apologize. It is very rude. I am sure that nearly everyone on NationStates would agree.

Fine, The Elizabethshire Nation likes its Hydro-Electric/Microwave energy plants anyways.

Here is an offer for you Samtonia.

Sell the plans to Phyrric under exclusive rights between our two nations and I will guarantee defense of your Nation against hostilities attempting to access the rights without proper payments.

Payment of 150 billion offered.

Is this acceptable?

I doubt skullz would invade me :p

I doubt skullz would invade me :p

:) On good grounds with Skullzz too, eh? :P I don't think he'd want to be cut off from what I'm shipping him anytime soon... I'd say we're on good grounds as well. :D

Wait, Phrryic, so I could still sell it to other nations?(Your statements "Exclusive rights" and "hostilities attempting to access the rights without proper payments" are a bit against each other).

Wait, Phrryic, so I could still sell it to other nations?(Your statements "Exclusive rights" and "hostilities attempting to access the rights without proper payments" are a bit against each other).

Not against eachother. Here is the deal. The Exclusive rights are your to keep, I get the technology without the rights to sell, I want a share of the profits as a payment for your defense, say 15% sound fair?

You can take the 150 billion I offered and be defended or share it freely under the flag of your enemies. Looks like you might be in a fix here and I am offering an avenue out.

Well, I guess you could get 15% of the profits. However, not the rights to sell. This is highly valuable technology. I'll give you the rights to share and sell among your immediate and close allies, but no one else. As for the rest, this deal sounds acceptable.

So is this Samtonia's Pyrric Victory?

So is this Samtonia's Pyrric Victory?

nice touch

more like a profitable ally at this point

then it is a deal

Although Meramoso's forces are not extremely powerful, we pledge our military to defend Samtonia in the event of an invasion, no strings attached.

The Empire is intristed in these Technological Developments, However our nation is rebuilding after a long and destructive Civil War. We're open to some kind of negotiation of long-term payment.

-Emperor Miguez

True, the power would be affective, but We the Republic of Braxengrad see more potential in fusion energy, which would last longer and be cheaper, as they would be only about $700,000,000.

ONE TRILLION?? That's over your budget! That's over mine... :(

Ha ha.

Nouvelle-Terre- Of course we could work something out. Say, oh, 25 billion dollars a year for 20 years, with the full package coming in the first year?
Braxengrad-Your power plants could be bombed or nuked, whereas ours is nearly invulnerable, That is why we decided on it over other energy sources.
Meramoso-Why thank you.

Try Fusion Power, I got It from a nation for only 960,000-and it is probrably much better than this 500 billion crap that is probrably not as effective as fusion power-I should be getting the plans in about a day, so ready your pocket money for sales-I will sell design plans for 30 million each 8) 8) 8) 8)

Get out of my thread-NOW
Besides, fusion power has a number of drawbacks:
1.It's dangerous-One explosion and fwoom, there goes 1/3 of your population.
2. It's exposed- That means enemies can easily see it. What they can see, they can hit.
Which leads to 3. It can be destroyed and take out your country with it. One missile. That's all it takes. Boom. There goes your power, your plant, and your land- up in one big nuclear reaction.
Finally, 4. Your power lines are vulnerable. If enemies go after those, it doesn't matter that you have a nice source of energy, your electricity ain't going anywhere.
And last,5. Our system is cleaner. Your system produces toxic waste. This is bad. Ours does not. It re-uses water for power. So, no pollution.

Yes, this Deal would be satisfactory. Would it be poosible for your technicians to come to NouvelleTerre and Build the nessessary Equipment, the recents Wars in my country has unforturately claimed the lives of many scientists and trained technicians. However the security of your Personnel is of the upmost concern to the Empire.

-Emperor Miguez

How about underground fusion reactors and lines? you seem to be proposing an entire power network underground, so why can't it be done for fusion too? Toxic waste? fusion? I think not.

Umm, yes Lestrania, fusion is the smashing together of two unstable atoms(radioactive ones) and "fusing" them together. The heat generated is enormous and yet, so is the pollution. You see, a by-product of this reaction is plasma, a form of matter that is not known how to be contained well and is amazingly nuclear({and therefore, amzingly pollutant) Since fusion is a form of nuclear power, all that spent fuel and fuel by products(Such as plasma) have to go somewhere. This is pollution at its worst.

Underground reactors!? Do you have any idea how difficult that would be? All reactors need some type of venting system in the case of a reaction gone amok. Thus, we have the large smokestacks on current plants. You would have no way to vent and your pollution issue would be acutely magnified, as you would have no way to remove it.
Wait, you also wouldn't have a way to get fuel down to your plants, effectively rendering them inoperable.

Also at contention here is the pressure. Our system is far underground, the minimum distance to protect it from nearly anything. This far underground, pressure is enormous. Since the turbines are relatively small, it was pretty simple to build reeinforcments and armor around them. However, think of the size of a fusion plant. It would have to be HUGE to absorb the pressure. Thus, your building costs would skyrocket. You would need so much ablative and reeinforcing armor. THat's also ignoring the costs to excavate for your plant. With these turbines, they can be installed with relatively little excavation, reducing the time and effort required to install them. However, your system would require lierally square miles of excavation, than the building, than the re-covering and packing down of soil. This process would be monumental and easily take 10-15 years at the very least. This would also cause the price for yours to rise even more above ours.

Clearly, your system would not work underground.

Nouvelle-Terre- We'll send you some of our engineers that worked on the project to help with your construction. They should be invaluable. However, don't think about trying to steal them away from us(That's to everyone) They'll be fitted with some type of suicide device. Of course, if they're abducted or defect, this device will go off. :)

I'll buy the construction rights.

I'll also pay for your engineers, to train my engineers, so nobody screws up.

I assume it will pay for itself in the long run...

Why Chochezkoo, this offer is accepted. Our engineers will come to your country and train your engineers for, oh, how about five million dollars? Otherwise, you either have the option of paying the 500 bil. at once or increments over an extendid period of time.