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http://upl.mine.nu/uplfolders/upload3/b-6.jpg

Based heavily on the abandoned USAF XB-70 project, the Skullzz B-6 "Vulture" is an extremely high-speed bomber capable of delivering 70,000 pounds of any type of munition onto a target before they even know what's happening. Skullzz engineers took the basic XB-70 frame and used newer materials to make it lighter and faster than the prototypes that never entered USAF service. The B-6 is painted in radar-absorbent material, reducing the radar cross-section and making AA targeting difficult enough that it escapes before anything can hit it.
Of course, each B-6 still comes prepared with a full countermeasures suite to ensure that they make it back home in one piece.

Span: 105 ft.
Length: 185 ft. 10 in. without boom; 192 ft. 2 in. with boom
Height: 30 ft. 9 in.
Weight: 300,000 lbs. empty, 500,000 max takeoff
Armament: None
Engines: Six Pulsejet hybrid engines, 35,000 lbs. thrust each.
PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: Mach 3.5 at 73,000 ft.
Cruising speed: Mach 3.0 at 72,000 ft.
Range: 4,500 miles
Service Ceiling: 77,350 ft.

Price: $1 billion

NEW: I'm now also producing a V.I.P. version, in which the bomb bay has been replaced with a passenger compartment with luxury seating, extra communications equipment, a fold out laptop at every seat, and a kitchen (I promise the in flight meals will be infinitely better than the airlines). Basically, every toy you could ask for in an executive jet is included in this version, for a modest price increase of $1 million.

EDIT: Sorry, due to a misunderstanding in some site info, I was led to believe that similar size bombers carried over 200,000 lbs of ordinance. The B-2 and B-1b both carry somewhere in the 70,000 range and I have adjusted mine to that. :oops:

buuuuump. :|

aww man, you're pushing it... but you receive my seal of approval for realisticality :P

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig1.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rmtdex.htm)

Is this modern tech? :unsure:

Is this modern tech? :unsure:

Very, the XB-70 program was started in the freakin' 50's. They made some prototypes, mine is just a more modern one. Lighter, faster, and blacker.

Is this modern tech? :unsure:could be... that's why it is so expensive ;)

I see nothing future tech about this... you have a 747 running at mach 3, but with the aerodynamics and thrust to match... it's allright.

If I wanted it future tech it'd have nanobots, laser cannons, William Shatner, warp drives, and some spiffy holo-controls. :roll:

Is this modern tech? :unsure:could be... that's why it is so expensive ;)

I see nothing future tech about this... you have a 747 running at mach 3, but with the aerodynamics and thrust to match... it's allright.

a 747 running at 2,000 mph?!? :shock: whaaaa?

I'll buy 20.

20 billion USD, WIRED!

I'll buy 20.

20 billion USD, WIRED!

You gots it. You can send pilots here to pick them up, or I can send them over there within the NS month.

I'll buy 20.

20 billion USD, WIRED!

You gots it. You can send pilots here to pick them up, or I can send them over there within the NS month.

Pilots will come over there tomorrow.

The aerodynamics and thrust to match it but I highly doubt those engines could have that much effective output at that high of an altitude. realistically you would be better off using ramjets or pulse-detonation engines..

The aerodynamics and thrust to match it but I highly doubt those engines could have that much effective output at that high of an altitude. realistically you would be better off using ramjets or pulse-detonation engines..

The original's max speed was mach 3.1, and like I said this is based off the actual thing. It's faster because its lighter, and the engines are slightly more powerful.

Yes, and the project was scrapped because those engines weren't efficient. Simply put, those engines can't take it at the altitude efficiently. That is my Black Widow uses pulse-detonation wave engines. (it has safely reached mach 6, and I'm selling it for 105 million each...)

Yes, and the project was scrapped because those engines weren't efficient. Simply put, those engines can't take it at the altitude efficiently. That is my Black Widow uses pulse-detonation wave engines. (it has safely reached mach 6, and I'm selling it for 105 million each...)

But with a lighter load on the engines, I'm sure the engines could take it. The original was almost 550,000 pounds.

It isn't the weight silly boy. It's the air, 3.5+ is getting close to hypersonic speeds, and hypersonic speeds is defined basically when air "stagnates".. Conventional turbojet engines won't be able to handle the incoming airstreams at such speeds, they can barely handle transonic speeds. :?

It isn't the weight silly boy. It's the air, 3.5+ is getting close to hypersonic speeds, and hypersonic speeds is defined basically when air "stagnates".. Conventional turbojet engines won't be able to handle the incoming airstreams at such speeds, they can barely handle transonic speeds. :?

Well then, I suppose you'd like to tell me what I should replace them with?

Pulse Detonation Wave Engines
Pulsejet Engines
Advanced Ramjets

Pulse Detonation Wave Engines
Pulsejet Engines
Advanced Ramjets

Hm, how bout the PDWE's with the same thrust?

Sorry, I just researched all this junk when I put together the Black Widow


http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/doujin/dds1.JPG


Doujin Defense Systems today announced the "Black Widow" project that has been going on for the past decade. "Black Widow" is the name for DDS' first self-designed aircraft. The "Black Widow" is one of the fastest figheter jets in the world, reaching speeds in excess of Mach 4.5 - heighest it has safely gone was Mach 6! This is one fast plane.

There are two models of it, the DD-1A and the DD-1B. The DD-1A is primarily an attack fighter/bomber, equiped with precision guided bombs and anti-aircraft missiles. The DD-1B is an survailance plane, or "spy plane" for short. It's speed and capability for high altitude suirvalance is almost unsurpassed with modern technology.

http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/doujin/blackwidow.gif

Primary Function:
DD-1A- Fighter/attack
DD-1B- Survailance
Contractor: Doujin Defense Systems
Power Plant: Doujin Aeronautics X100 advanced ramjet engines
Length: 65 feet, 11 inches (20.3 meters)
Height: 12 feet, 5 inches (3.8 meters)
Weight: 52,500 pounds (23,625 kilograms)
Wingspan: 43 feet, 4 inches (13.3 meters)
Speed: Mach 4.5+
Altitude: Up to and over 85,000 feet
Range: Unlimited with air refueling
Armament: Internal weapons carriage

Two each of:

2 MK84 2000-pound
2 GBU-10 Paveway II
2 GBU-12 Paveway II
2 GBU-27 Paveway III
2 BLU 109
2 WCMD
2 Mark 61
Compartments for 6 DDS-1 AAM/AMST
Can also carry:
GBU-29 - JDAM
GBU-30 - JDAM
GBU-31 - JDAM
GBU-32 - JDAM
GBU-35 - JDAM

http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/doujin/bw1.gif

Sorry, I just researched all this junk when I put together the Black Widow


Would afterburners work on ramjets? Or would they just be totally unnecessary, or what?

totally unnecessary :p

totally unnecessary :p

Gotcha, my bird has been edited.

actually you should go with pulse detonation wave engines or pulsejet hybrids

the only reason I use advanced ramjet engines is because the frame of the BW.

I recommend the PDE hybrids because you can still fly easily at subsonic and transonic speeds with those.

exactly what I just said :P

You people make everything so DIFFICULT! :P Doujin, I'll be sending you a TG momentarily.

bump. :roll:

Bump for addition of VIP version.

Knock knock
Who's there?
bump!

Doujin, how much for your plane?

I'm currently considering purchasing a small number of supersonic high-altitude bombers, preferably with stealth capabilities... Maybe you two could try to list what makes your plane better than the competetition? :wink:

Doujin, how much for your plane?

I'm currently considering purchasing a small number of supersonic high-altitude bombers, preferably with stealth capabilities... Maybe you two could try to list what makes your plane better than the competetition? :wink:

Mine has a 200,000 lb payload capacity. 'Nuff said.

It's too much payload for the thrust, especially for a supersonic bomber.

Mine is 105 million per. It has a secret coating developed by Doujin Aeronautics. It absorbs the radar, and doesn't send it back out. Mine has a nice payload capacity, but as you see no "hardpoints" just bays, that is because no plane can carry weapons as a conventional plane does (like the F-22 - on hardpoints below the wings) And besides, mine goes faster and higher, going up to Mach 6.5 safely.

It's too much payload for the thrust, especially for a supersonic bomber.

These things are larger than the B-1b Lancer, which has an empty weight of 190,000 lb, and a max takeoff weight of 477,000 lb. It also has over 60,000 pounds more thrust.

the b1b lancer does not go at mach 3.whatever

the b1b lancer does not go at mach 3.whatever

It also has less thrust, is less aerodynamic, and carries heavier loads.

Just a question... Doesn't the sonic boom kinda negate the stealth concept? Or does the plane travel high enough so that the boom isn't heard at sea level?

Doujin: We will consider your bomber. It can be modified to carry different payloads, correct?

Just a question... Doesn't the sonic boom kinda negate the stealth concept? Or does the plane travel high enough so that the boom isn't heard at sea level?

Doujin: We will consider your bomber. It can be modified to carry different payloads, correct?

The stealth idea isn't so much to make it go unnoticed, its to make it get noticed at the worst possible time. The sonic boom is only heard BEHIND the supersonic craft, so by the time they heard it they'd be gone. And I think at those altitudes the boom probably WOULDN't be heard.

sorry, same thrust.

yes, it can carry different types of bombs

sorry, same thrust.

B-1b Powerplant:
Four General Electric F-101-GE-102 turbofan engines with afterburner (30,000-plus pounds with afterburner each)

B-6 Vulture Powerplant:

Six Pulsejet hybrid engines, 30,500 lbs. thrust each.

Only WITH afterburners does the B-1B produce 61,000 lbs of thrust LESS than my craft.

mines designed on both, lathough it doesn't have htat much of a payload after it drops its weapons its gone, and dont worry about modern anti-air missiles, those travel at mach 4 ish, just keep yourself above 60000 feet and jump to hypersonic speeds kaboom :p

*stops hijacking skullzz thread* sorry bout that skullzz. but one question, where do you put 6 pulsejet hybrid engines when by the looks theres only room for two? :oops:

*stops hijacking skullzz thread* sorry bout that skullzz. but one question, where do you put 6 pulsejet hybrid engines when by the looks theres only room for two? :oops:

You tell me. I based this mostly on the XB-70, a lot of the stats are unchanged from that.

http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/xb-70_valkyrie.pl

They had 6 GE turbojets on that and reached 2,056 mph. (Mach 3.1) at 73,000 ft. Also, I just realized my engines are weaker than those ones due to a typo :oops: They should have MORE thrust per, not less.

::does a little jig:: My bomber is sooo modern tech its not even funnay. :D

lol..

lol..

C'mon, you have to admit yours really pushes it for modern tech, especially at 105 million. The B-2 Spirit bomber weighs in at the same billion dollars as my B-6, and that's world renowned as the best bomber money can buy.

Someone buy the damned things already! It wasn't easy making it black!!! :?

Skullzz, this design isn't as big as yours is :p

Skullzz, this design isn't as big as yours is :p

Mine isn't claiming Mach 6+, which has only been beaten IRL by a smaller yet, and 0 payload ROCKET powered craft. Neither is the B-2, which doesnt even go supersonic.

The design actually has the capability to reach speeds of Mach 6.5 Skullzz. And the payload is a lot less than either bombers you mentioned.

The design actually has the capability to reach speeds of Mach 6.5 Skullzz. And the payload is a lot less than either bombers you mentioned.

I still wouldn't sell it THAT cheap. I know the design can actually reach Mach 6.5, but I'm also pretty sure the concept wasn't a high altitude bomber. I could always be wrong. :P

After consideration, we have decided in favor of Doujin's plane. His design while has less of a payload, has a higher service ceiling and speed. Furthermore, the intended role the bomber will take does not require a large payload...

Doujin: Your plane is excellent and price is also reasonable. We would like to purchase 18 of your planes, for a total of 1,890,000,000.

Money will be automatically wired upon confirmation.

What design is that. And there is two versoins, survaliance and bomber/fighter.

Sorry, we forgot to specify. We'd like the bomber/fighter.

lol that was to skullzz but works for you too :p

What design is that. And there is two versoins, survaliance and bomber/fighter.

The design you're using for your craft. I saw it in a Popular Science I think, but again I'm pretty sure it was solely a concept and not for a bomber.

heh I never saw this design in pop sci :p

::does a little jig:: My bomber is sooo modern tech its not even funnay. :D

It would be possible, just the payload is way too high.

::does a little jig:: My bomber is sooo modern tech its not even funnay. :D

It would be possible, just the payload is way too high.

I already went over this one. The B-1b has WAY less thrust and carries more at supersonic speeds.

Doujin, I give. What's the name of the actual concept you used for it, I cant find anything on Google.

...

not giving it out. the site I found it on has a couple other pics of planes im gonna "design"

_Taiwan, lay off him. This is basically a XB-70 Valkyrie and that had 6 GE turbofans at 31000 lbs thrust (with afterburners) and carried 534,700 lbs. loaded at Mach 3.1.

and every time speed doubles the amount of energy needed to achieve that speed quadruples (Ek = 1/2*M*V^2).

Not hypersonic. supersonic, Hypersonic is Mach 5.4 :p

::does a little jig:: My bomber is sooo modern tech its not even funnay. :D

It would be possible, just the payload is way too high.

I already went over this one. The B-1b has WAY less thrust and carries more at supersonic speeds.

You're talking hypersonic speeds here.

I'm talking MAX speed Mach 3.5, that's not with a full payload. Mach 3 is cruise, that's done with payload. Don't forget, we're also talking 210,000 lbs of thrust, and compression lift, which takes care of a lot of the weight at supersonic speeds.

Not hypersonic. supersonic, Hypersonic is Mach 5.4 :p

(Right, I'll shut up now :oops: , just someone accused me of godmodding when I had 70,000lbs at Mach 2.8)

P.S No hard feelings.

Not hypersonic. supersonic, Hypersonic is Mach 5.4 :p

(Right, I'll shut up now :oops: , just someone accused me of godmodding when I had 70,000lbs at Mach 2.8)

That was THEIR mistake then. A plane like this could easily be built today, the XB-70 was 50's technology, this is a cakewalk.

P.S No hard feelings.

Not a problem if you buy a couple dozen. :P

P.S No hard feelings.

Not a problem if you buy a couple dozen. :P

OOC: Great way to get customers :twisted: .
IC:

"We'll take two for evaluation. Money's paid."
*Anonymous Taiwanese billionaire.

P.S No hard feelings.

Not a problem if you buy a couple dozen. :P

OOC: Great way to get customers :twisted: .
IC:

"We'll take two for evaluation. Money's paid."
*Anonymous Taiwanese billionaire.

They'll arrive within the week. :P

Doujin, I'm closing on it fast.

http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jdw/jdw010910_4_n.shtml

They have a pic that looks strikingly like yours, only its described as a hypersonic missile.
http://images.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jdw/jdw010910_4_p.jpg

Doujin's design is an artist's rendition of what they think the Aurora spy plane might look like. :)

I'll take two. $2 billion wired.

http://upl.mine.nu/uplfolders/upload3/b-6.jpg

Based heavily on the abandoned USAF XB-70 project, the Skullzz B-6 "Vulture" is an extremely high-speed bomber capable of delivering 200,000 pounds of any type of munition onto a target before they even know what's happening. Skullzz engineers took the basic XB-70 frame and used newer materials to make it lighter and faster than the prototypes that never entered USAF service. The B-6 is painted in radar-absorbent material, reducing the radar cross-section and making AA targeting difficult enough that it escapes before anything can hit it.
Of course, each B-6 still comes prepared with a full countermeasures suite to ensure that they make it back home in one piece.

Span: 105 ft.
Length: 185 ft. 10 in. without boom; 192 ft. 2 in. with boom
Height: 30 ft. 9 in.
Weight: 300,000 lbs. with no payload, 500,000 max load
Armament: None
Engines: Six Pulsejet hybrid engines, 35,000 lbs. thrust each.
PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed: Mach 3.5 at 73,000 ft.
Cruising speed: Mach 3.0 at 72,000 ft.
Range: 4,500 miles
Service Ceiling: 77,350 ft.

Price: $1 billion

NEW: I'm now also producing a V.I.P. version, in which the bomb bay has been replaced with a passenger compartment with luxury seating, extra communications equipment, a fold out laptop at every seat, and a kitchen (I promise the in flight meals will be infinitely better than the airlines). Basically, every toy you could ask for in an executive jet is included in this version, for a modest price increase of $1 million.

we already have a b-6 in our store thread but it is still a nice plane

Doujin, I'm closing on it fast.

http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jdw/jdw010910_4_n.shtml

They have a pic that looks strikingly like yours, only its described as a hypersonic missile.
http://images.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jdw/jdw010910_4_p.jpg

Its the Aurora also in my store

I'd like 3 VIP version aircraft please.
3 billion, 3 million wired.

I'll take two. $2 billion wired.

Order confirmed, would you like to send pilots for pickup, or would you prefer them delivered?

I'd like 3 VIP version aircraft please.
3 billion, 3 million wired.

Confirmed, pick up or delivery?

buuuump

No, BUMP I say! No page 2!

I'll throw in a plate of cookies with each order! Cooookies, you can't say no to cookies!!!

:shock: it is not an artists conceptual design of the aurora! I swear.

:shock: it is not an artists conceptual design of the aurora! I swear.

Oh, it is. It is. :twisted:

Doesn't matter, I have it copyrighted :P gotta love camdea

Doesn't matter, I have it copyrighted :P gotta love camdea I still think my bomber is sexier. Look at it, it's frikkin black! And big! Oh, and the wings can fold down! That's sexy! :o

EDIT: Ok, big normally is not sexy. Bombers are the exception.

No no no! Buy teh sexay bombers! But don't try anything with them, I will not be responsible for any burns recieved from attempting intercourse with these bombers.

I'll take two. $2 billion wired.

Order confirmed, would you like to send pilots for pickup, or would you prefer them delivered?

Delivery prefered. I will pay all of $2 billion tomorrow (I mistakenly thought today was Sunday and the start of a new NS week...but tomorrow I'll be able to pay)

I'll take two. $2 billion wired.

Order confirmed, would you like to send pilots for pickup, or would you prefer them delivered?

Delivery prefered. I will pay all of $2 billion tomorrow (I mistakenly thought today was Sunday and the start of a new NS week...but tomorrow I'll be able to pay)

I'll ship them as soon as I receive funds, they will arrive 1 NS week from receipt of the $2 billion.

:| Bump.

Bah. Buncha jerks...

bump. :evil:

Ok, guess NOBODY wants an uber-fast high payload bomber. Nope, everyone seems to ENJOY having crapass bombers that get shot down all the time and dont even carry all that much. :roll:

o_O bump?

Skullz, it's to expensive.. gotta be outa your mind to pay 1 billion for a bomber when you can buy an aircraft carrier for the same price(my light aircraft carriers(Inginuity Class) are 800 million)

Skullz, it's to expensive.. gotta be outa your mind to pay 1 billion for a bomber when you can buy an aircraft carrier for the same price(my light aircraft carriers(Inginuity Class) are 800 million)

The B-2 is about a billion dollars, and this thing is every bit as capable.

OOC:
Actually a B-2 in real life is $2.1 billion. Doujin, I'd say this thing is underpriced.

OOC:
Actually a B-2 in real life is $2.1 billion. Doujin, I'd say this thing is underpriced.

Booya. :D

Booya. :D

[OOC]

For some reason, I always LOL when I read that someone says "Booya".

OOC: Actually, it's priced more or less right for this technology in modern day. Adjucting for inflation and all that. Oh, and the Valkyrie wasn't cancelled because of engine troubles (I never heard anything about them, and AFAIK, it worked just fine with turbojet or turbofan engines or something similar, butt not pulse\ram\scramjet typer thingies) but due to an accident during a photoshoot where an F-104 crashed into the lower rear wing and caused the plane to crash.
IC: Skullzz, I would like to purchase 25 of your B-6 bombers, to be fitted with 6 NK-25 turbojet engines. If you would prefer, we can ship the engines to you to be fitted at your assembly plant. Please advise as to cost.

[code:1:e7fb8d9502]Aviation Order Form
United Communist States of Zvarinograd
---------------------------------
Item: B-6 "Vulture" Bombers
Qty: 500
Price: $500,000,000,000
---------------------------------
Total: $500,000,000,000 wired.
---------------------------------
Population: 521,000,000
GDP per Capita: $30,000
GDP: $15,630,000,000,000
National Budget: $4,920,449,040,000
Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 6.3%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 20%
Military Budget: $984,089,808,000
---------------------------------
Regards,
Airforce of the United Communist States of Zvarinograd[/code:1:e7fb8d9502]

OOC: Actually, it's priced more or less right for this technology in modern day. Adjucting for inflation and all that. Oh, and the Valkyrie wasn't cancelled because of engine troubles (I never heard anything about them, and AFAIK, it worked just fine with turbojet or turbofan engines or something similar, butt not pulse\ram\scramjet typer thingies) but due to an accident during a photoshoot where an F-104 crashed into the lower rear wing and caused the plane to crash.
IC: Skullzz, I would like to purchase 25 of your B-6 bombers, to be fitted with 6 NK-25 turbojet engines. If you would prefer, we can ship the engines to you to be fitted at your assembly plant. Please advise as to cost.

If you would like the engines fitted here, I can have it done for a modest $500,000 per craft.

[code:1:dd8118fbb3]Aviation Order Form
United Communist States of Zvarinograd
---------------------------------
Item: B-6 "Vulture" Bombers
Qty: 500
Price: $500,000,000,000
---------------------------------
Total: $500,000,000,000 wired.
---------------------------------
Population: 521,000,000
GDP per Capita: $30,000
GDP: $15,630,000,000,000
National Budget: $4,920,449,040,000
Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 6.3%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 20%
Military Budget: $984,089,808,000
---------------------------------
Regards,
Airforce of the United Communist States of Zvarinograd[/code:1:dd8118fbb3]

Thank you for your business, due to the slack in sales we actually have almost enough aircraft built to ship this order. We should have the full order ready and shipped within the NS month.

"Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 20%"

That's pretty stupid. It should be something beetwen 0,5% to 10%.

"Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 20%"

That's pretty stupid. It should be something beetwen 0,5% to 10%.

The budget calc is broken there, it reads 20% for every nation.

:? Why?

:? Why?

It's best not to think about it. Anyhow, you gonna make a purchase on my non-discount craft or what? :P :P :P

Are you still selling the first-post bomber? If you do...

ic: We would like to buy 8 of those bombers. Money wired upon confirmation. Thank You

OOC:
No. I wanted it to be 20%. I measured it upon the estimation that the United States had difficulty with 25% during the Cold War, 20% should be optimal.

You lie skullz, it does 10% for me :p

Doujin Gross Domestic Product

Population: 94,142,013
Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Very Strong
GDP per Capita: $15,313
GDP: $1,441,596,645,069
National Budget: $410,812,712,882

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 2.85%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 10%
Military Budget: $41,081,271,288

remember to check your link buddy..

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=doujin&randomize=1&defenseprovided=1&defense=10&militarybudget=10

Are you still selling the first-post bomber? If you do...

ic: We would like to buy 8 of those bombers. Money wired upon confirmation. Thank You

The B-6 Vulture? Yep, that's still for sale. :D Order confirmed, we can have those flown over within a NS wee of receipt of funds.

OOC: Actually, it's priced more or less right for this technology in modern day. Adjucting for inflation and all that. Oh, and the Valkyrie wasn't cancelled because of engine troubles (I never heard anything about them, and AFAIK, it worked just fine with turbojet or turbofan engines or something similar, butt not pulse\ram\scramjet typer thingies) but due to an accident during a photoshoot where an F-104 crashed into the lower rear wing and caused the plane to crash.
IC: Skullzz, I would like to purchase 25 of your B-6 bombers, to be fitted with 6 NK-25 turbojet engines. If you would prefer, we can ship the engines to you to be fitted at your assembly plant. Please advise as to cost.

If you would like the engines fitted here, I can have it done for a modest $500,000 per craft.
So how much are you taking off for the fact that I don't need your Near-Future Tech Engines?

You lie skullz, it does 10% for me :p

Doujin Gross Domestic Product

Population: 94,142,013
Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Very Strong
GDP per Capita: $15,313
GDP: $1,441,596,645,069
National Budget: $410,812,712,882

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 2.85%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 10%
Military Budget: $41,081,271,288

remember to check your link buddy..

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=doujin&randomize=1&defenseprovided=1&defense=10&militarybudget=10

Oh yeah?

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Skullzz&randomize=1&defenseprovided=1&defense=50&militarybudget=10

It's all in the URL.

OOC: Actually, it's priced more or less right for this technology in modern day. Adjucting for inflation and all that. Oh, and the Valkyrie wasn't cancelled because of engine troubles (I never heard anything about them, and AFAIK, it worked just fine with turbojet or turbofan engines or something similar, butt not pulse\ram\scramjet typer thingies) but due to an accident during a photoshoot where an F-104 crashed into the lower rear wing and caused the plane to crash.
IC: Skullzz, I would like to purchase 25 of your B-6 bombers, to be fitted with 6 NK-25 turbojet engines. If you would prefer, we can ship the engines to you to be fitted at your assembly plant. Please advise as to cost.

If you would like the engines fitted here, I can have it done for a modest $500,000 per craft.
So how much are you taking off for the fact that I don't need your Near-Future Tech Engines?

Good point. Wanna just break it even? :P

We want them with our banner! And with "Royal Hugolandian Air Force" written on them.

*bip bip bip*

*inserting code xxx-xxx-xx*

*money transfer 1%*

...

*transfer complete*

*bip bip bip*

occ: eheh

heh.. a b-2 costs a billion or less according to the air force, B-2 advocates say it costs less than 600 million now for a new B-2 :P

We want them with our banner! And with "Royal Hugolandian Air Force" written on them.

*bip bip bip*

*inserting code xxx-xxx-xx*

*money transfer 1%*

...

*transfer complete*

*bip bip bip*

occ: eheh

You got it. :P

heh.. a b-2 costs a billion or less according to the air force, B-2 advocates say it costs less than 600 million now for a new B-2 :P

Source? I was pretty sure they were about $1 billion even until Zvarinograd said $2.1 billion.

The Empire would like to purchase

2 Skullzz B-6 "Vulture" = 2 bil.

*money wired on confirmation*

The Empire would like to purchase

2 Skullzz B-6 "Vulture" = 2 bil.

*money wired on confirmation*

You got it, they'll be there within the NS week.

my source is a USAF report I just downloaded, pdf file

The Empire would like to purchase

2 Skullzz B-6 "Vulture" = 2 bil.

*money wired on confirmation*

Cool, you are going to spend almost all your defense budget on this..

If I wanted this, I'd just go but it from Unum Veritas for 90 million.. :P

The Empire would like to purchase

2 Skullzz B-6 "Vulture" = 2 bil.

*money wired on confirmation*

Cool, you are going to spend almost all your defense budget on this..

Hey hey! SHHH!!! :wink:

If I wanted this, I'd just go but it from Unum Veritas for 90 million.. :P

Unum Veritas is selling this? o_O And for 90 million?

UV has been selling it for awhile, I knew someone already was - just didn't know who.. and it has a VIP version too..

UV has been selling it for awhile, I knew someone already was - just didn't know who.. and it has a VIP version too..

Hm, his is white (eeech), has a much smaller payload, and I'm sorry, but a craft of this size and speed would never go for $90 million in one piece.

welp, hes been sellin it for quite a long time now :P

welp, hes been sellin it for quite a long time now :P

Never noticed it. I stand by the fact that mine is sexier.

meh, I don't care just watin g for people ot get on so I can bump my thread again :p

meh, I don't care just watin g for people ot get on so I can bump my thread again :p

Well quit harshin' my sales. At least if you hafta, do it in the DISCOUNT thread.... :roll:

Well, if it's 90 million, it's FAR too cheap. $1bn is about right for this. And just break even? When I'm supplying the engines, and you save the cost of fitting them? NB, I'm not in a particular hurry, so you don't need to take the engines off the planes to fit mine, I can wait until whatever birds that were intended to be built with my engines in are ready (i.e you put my engines onto the next 25 planes in the production line that don't have engines already attached). I can't seem to find any ources for how much an engine costs, but I'd say it'd be abour 10%. How does $900 milion strike you, $25 million for fitting the engines and I cover shipping?

Well, if it's 90 million, it's FAR too cheap. $1bn is about right for this. And just break even? When I'm supplying the engines, and you save the cost of fitting them? NB, I'm not in a particular hurry, so you don't need to take the engines off the planes to fit mine, I can wait until whatever birds that were intended to be built with my engines in are ready (i.e you put my engines onto the next 25 planes in the production line that don't have engines already attached). I can't seem to find any ources for how much an engine costs, but I'd say it'd be abour 10%. How does $900 milion strike you, $25 million for fitting the engines and I cover shipping?

You've got yourself a deal. :D

Beautiful.
25 x B-6 @ 900,000,000 : 22,500,000,000
Engine Installation: 25,000,000
Grand Total: 22,525,000,000
Money will be wired on confirmation of order.

Beautiful.
25 x B-6 @ 900,000,000 : 22,500,000,000
Engine Installation: 25,000,000
Grand Total: 22,525,000,000
Money will be wired on confirmation of order.

Order is confirmed. Those arrive in 1 NS month.

bummmmp!

bump?

Under normal circumstances I'd be complaining about my own idea being copied. My storefront already sells basically this same plane and a VIP version as well. But I don't feel like arguing it out when there's no action I'd do anyways to enforce an infringement. However, to all those who say its too fast, it uses compression lift to reach such high speeds and is quite realistic. [/pointlesspost]

Under normal circumstances I'd be complaining about my own idea being copied. My storefront already sells basically this same plane and a VIP version as well. But I don't feel like arguing it out when there's no action I'd do anyways to enforce an infringement. However, to all those who say its too fast, it uses compression lift to reach such high speeds and is quite realistic. [/pointlesspost]

If I had known that you were selling it first, I'd have found a different plane to produce. But, I think with the effort I put into it (photoshopping the image, researching stats, arguing with _Taiwan over its capability) I deserve it anyways. Increase the price on yours though, seriously! :P

Nah, I think I'll leave my price alone, mainly cause I'm too lazy to go back and edit the page right now. But its speed is very possible, I don't remember all the details of compression lift, but it has something to do with using compression generated by travelling supersonic to hold the plane up.

Nah, I think I'll leave my price alone, mainly cause I'm too lazy to go back and edit the page right now. But its speed is very possible, I don't remember all the details of compression lift, but it has something to do with using compression generated by travelling supersonic to hold the plane up. Yep. It's a shame the USAF never went through with these. :roll:

Well I'm sure there was some reason. Probably the advent of better stealth technology which was believed to be better than just speed. They wouldn't have abandoned a really good aircraft for no reason.

Well I'm sure there was some reason. Probably the advent of better stealth technology which was believed to be better than just speed. They wouldn't have abandoned a really good aircraft for no reason.

It's mostly because one of the prototypes was destroyed in a midair collision with an F-104 during a photo shoot. The F-104 got too cloce and got sucked in by the wing vortices or something.

buuuuump!

That along with funding running out, there has been many projects that fold up because they lose funding.

That along with funding running out, there has been many projects that fold up because they lose funding.

From what I've been reading, it looks like that wasn't problem until that crash.

and hwere you reading it from? A lot of places focus on big events (i.e. a crash) instead of real reasons why things fold up. not like it matters, I don't give a damn :P

If I remember correctly, the XB-70 was rendered obsolete by advances in air defense technology. The SR-71 could fly higher and bombers like the B-52 had mission flexibility that the XB-70 did not.

If I remember correctly, the XB-70 was rendered obsolete by advances in air defense technology. The SR-71 could fly higher and bombers like the B-52 had mission flexibility that the XB-70 did not. The SR-71 wasn't flying all that much higher. And I fail to see how the B-52 would be too much more flexible, considering how vulnerable it'd be to air defenses.

Buuump! :!:

As arranged, the GaalSien Senate will purchase 12 B-6 Mach 3+ bomber :P

Money will be wired on confirmation

Order is confirmed, we will fly them out to you in the NS week.

Buuump!

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bump.

If I remember correctly, the XB-70 was rendered obsolete by advances in air defense technology. The SR-71 could fly higher and bombers like the B-52 had mission flexibility that the XB-70 did not. The SR-71 wasn't flying all that much higher. And I fail to see how the B-52 would be too much more flexible, considering how vulnerable it'd be to air defenses.

That's what the Air Force said. The XB-70 was called a reconnaisance/strike bomber. However, the SR-71 was much better in the recon role and the B-52 could perform multiple bombing roles that the XB-70 could not, despite its limited payload flexibility. It was the perfect platform for developing the models and principles behind large-body supersonic flight... but it wasn't all that practical from a tactical standpoint.

We wish to issue a contract for 2 aircraft for performance evalutation. If that is completed successfully we would require 135 more for our strategic bomber units. We also request a training program for our pilots so that they can become familiar with the handaling and systems present before any are flown. Could you please advise us on the total overall cost for the project including training and spare parts contracts?

The bombers come out to $2 billion, I believe we can provide you with the most important spare parts for another $500,000, and then we can train a few of your pilots to round that off to $1 million. They can train the rest from there. So, the total price will be $1,001,000,000

bump!

And one more BUMP!

The bombers come out to $2 billion, I believe we can provide you with the most important spare parts for another $500,000, and then we can train a few of your pilots to round that off to $1 million. They can train the rest from there. So, the total price will be $1,001,000,000

These funds have been wired to you. Thank you once again.

Hello.

I would like fifty (50) B-6 Stealth Bombers. As all buisness deals are conducted, you will be recieving an account number via diplomatic courier. Half of the fifty billion will be in there. When I recieve the bombers, the rest of the money will be transfered to that account.

Thank you,
General Ivan Aerostalvich
Commander in Chief of Derscon Imperial Aerospace Defense
The Kingdom of Derscon

Oh...forgot to mention Skullz (I think anyways)...my $2 billion has been wired. B-2 is 2.1 billion because only 20 were ordered. :)

Hello.

I would like fifty (50) B-6 Stealth Bombers. As all buisness deals are conducted, you will be recieving an account number via diplomatic courier. Half of the fifty billion will be in there. When I recieve the bombers, the rest of the money will be transfered to that account.

Thank you,
General Ivan Aerostalvich
Commander in Chief of Derscon Imperial Aerospace Defense
The Kingdom of Derscon

We do not accept any form of C.O.D, all funds must be recieved before delivery. You send half the money, you recieve half the bombers.

"Well, I was not aware of this. ((((OCC: If you posted that, then I looked over it, sorry.)))) All payment funds will be in the account you recieve."

General Ivan Aerostalvich

"Well, I was not aware of this. ((((OCC: If you posted that, then I looked over it, sorry.)))) All payment funds will be in the account you recieve."

General Ivan Aerostalvich

Very well then, your bombers will be delivered within the NS month.

Thank you.

No problem. I need to keep my customers satisfied, ne? And since offering complimentary prostitution is somewhat unethical, I can't use that. :| Damn ethics...

:lol: I kid, no prostitutes for you people. :P

I'll buy 1.... very unsure.... I hope that i'll get satisfied. MOney wired through confirmation

Hey Skullz, I'll take...30. $30 billion wired.

(Look my economy grew from good to powerhouse in one night...aren't I good?)

The buildup of the Chinese Army continues. We are in need of bombers, and yours seems to be a perfect Choice. Therefore, we shall take one hundred. I kid you not. $100 billion wired on confirmation