NationStates Jolt Archive


Sethesh developes its first biological weapon.

26-12-2003, 17:42
After Many months of painstaking Scientific research, Sethesh's Biological science teams have finally developed a contagion viable for military application. The retrovirus takes control of nerve cells, regulation in the Hypothalamus shuts down, causing the body temperature to rise and the nervous system to shut down. The contagion was developed after a long period of forced development causing the virus's to evolve. We assume that the infection originally developed from a form of Influenza.

The virus designated "Contagion – B332-11GL" will be released into a small test area made up of sethian criminals. A small village has been buiilt and a Perimetre set up were anyone attempting to leave the region will be shot. Afterwards, the fields and buildings themselves will be burned after a clinical analysis of the effects of he virus.

The virus has both bacteriophage and viral properties, meaning any bacterial infection released to counter the virus will be converted. a full report will be released once the tests are completed.

Thomas Colinns- Minister of Defense.
Jeruselem
26-12-2003, 17:44
What about airbourne infection?
26-12-2003, 17:48
OOC: Then everyone dies

IC: The Virus does not apear to be airborne, the only way we can possibly be sure is by such studies, it has however been confirmed that the virus does attach itself to cells with the mucus, and could be released that way. Either way, the perimetre will not be effected as a large distance has been placed between it and its test site in the Gordans moutain range far from urban population.
26-12-2003, 17:52
I wish to congradulate you on a job well-done.

There is a guy selling B2 Spirit Stealth bombers for 2 billion (each comes with 8 nukes).

You should go for that- Nukes are the ultimate Stale-Mate
26-12-2003, 17:55
Why would you want a stalemate when a biological weapon is like cutting your enemies beating heart out?

Nukes arnt clean and they there effect doesnt disperse, virus's are short lived. theres a different strain of flue each year, and it never last longer then that in an area.
26-12-2003, 17:57
In that case, would you be interested in sharing your little secret with me?

You will be heavily rewarded. I have a lot to give you in return.
26-12-2003, 18:00
The Viral Strain hasnt even been released yet. let alone would the sethian military give away one of its few advantages in this technologically evolving world. You shall have to wait for the tests to be complete, and relations between our two nations to improve greatly
United Elias
26-12-2003, 18:03
none of you are old enough to have nukes.
26-12-2003, 18:04
I dont want them anyway :)
26-12-2003, 18:13
-ANNOUNCEMENT-

The Prisoners have been moved to the new accomadation, and the virus released into there water supply. Sethian soldiers are now heavily patrolling the perimetre and awaiting aerial conformation of viral infection. Please stand by for later announcements on the progress of this experiment.
Jeruselem
26-12-2003, 18:24
-ANNOUNCEMENT-

The Prisoners have been moved to the new accomadation, and the virus released into there water supply. Sethian soldiers are now heavily patrolling the perimetre and awaiting aerial conformation of viral infection. Please stand by for later announcements on the progress of this experiment.

Better make sure the water supply is not connected to local water table.
Good night and fun RPing.
26-12-2003, 18:39
I advise the Setheian government not to use these weapons agaginst countries, with out alot of discussion with neighbouring countries and allies, as the damage would not only destory the country and it's innocent people but the infection would spread and destroy entire nations, yuour allies, and even to you. please consider destroying these weapons.

N.B. If you have applied or are willing to apply to the UN these weapons must be detroyed as it is against a UN resolution to harbour biological weapons.
26-12-2003, 18:48
The Sultanate of Sethesh has recently applied for the United Natins, if only as a means of contact with others, we do not intend to use this weapon unless we have to. But will not destroy it regardless of the UN mandate.
Holy panooly
26-12-2003, 19:09
such weapons are outlawed by the UN and therefor you cannot take part into any UN happening.
Pwnica
26-12-2003, 19:10
I thought that it was okay to hold them, just not to use them. And if you do, the UN gives you the boot and all the other UN nations go to war with you if they feel like it :lol:
26-12-2003, 19:13
Ah well, ill withdraw my Application to the UN or leave asoon as i get there. The weapons and hard work of our scientists will not be squandered by the law of other nations.
26-12-2003, 19:16
We support Sethesth on their biological program and are willing too donate 1 BILLION dollars too help fund it.
26-12-2003, 19:22
The Sultanate of Sethesh Gladly accepts this offer, and sends its thanks to the people of Red tide. This one billion extra funding will be used to build an advanced research bunker to protect our citizens and our research.
26-12-2003, 19:37
-SUCCESS-

The Criminals Contracted the Disease within 12 hours, and after a short sleep were woken in fever, One criminal survived and has been steralised and returned to the research center for testing. The Bodies of the others have been cremated and the set up village burned. The Virus test has been a sucess and a Military report Published. It was found that the Virus had airborne Properties and has summarily been Stored in More secure conditions.

Type: Waterborne/Airborne/Contact Viral Infection

Effect: High Rise in Body Temperature Causing,
Nervous System to Shut Down

Signs of Infection: High Temperature, Similar to Flu

Incubation Period: 6-12 hours

Attributes: Can be Carried by animals, Highly Destructive, not recommended for Targets Requiring Occupation

Delivery: High Yield Warhead/ Infected Water/ Injected Carrier

Expected Spread: Expedential depending on Conditions

The Virus is to Undergo a few more preliminary tests before considered an Active weapon
26-12-2003, 19:50
This is enough!

How can countires stand by and wait for desturction, without cause. If even a milligram of this bioagent escapes it's spore could miltiply and destory us. We must do somthing to stop this.

The program must be stopped and destroyed. The country in question, Sethesh, must have trade sacntions imposed on it for the chemical element nessessary for this toxin to be made

I must have a permentant foriegn force in the country to make sure this cannot be reproduced

WE CAN'T STAND AND WATCH OUR WORLD BE PULLED DOWN BY COUNTRIES WHICH MAKE THESE CHEMICALS. Please unite, or we will fall.
Pwnica
26-12-2003, 19:52
If this "force" you speak of is military, then I will assist Sethesh (if he needs it ;)) and move forces into the area, and destroy your "force". Sethesh isn't in the UN (or will leave apparently, as he says) so you have no say in what he can or cannot produce.
26-12-2003, 20:02
It doesnt need chemicals, its a viral agent not a chemical agent. And i have allready been funded more then enough to supply the research program. If you sanction food and technology youll just be Starving the innocent citizens of Sethesh. As stated before, i do not intend to use such a weapon. It is part of sethesh's Defense program, not offensive Program.
Pwnica
26-12-2003, 20:05
#Telegram#
From: General Axx, Pwnica Ground/Sea forces
To: Sethesh

To whom it may concern,

We would like to inform you that in case of any sanction/military attacks against you by Rajabiztan, we would gladly assist you. General Glyfforian (who is in charge of Pwnica's air forces) and myself will sent forces to assist if needed.

Thank you for your time.

General Axx
26-12-2003, 20:08
We thank the Pwnican military establishment for there continued support, and relay are expressed wish that it shall not come to military conflict to all parties concerned.
Munimula
26-12-2003, 20:10
A bacterial agent is truly a two-edge sword. On a national scale the virus you use on your enemies,will change,spread and infect the very people who launched it in the first place.NO ONE WINS! Don't believe it could happen? Look at the 100 years wars,during the bubonic plague years !!
Pwnica
26-12-2003, 20:11
[OOC]
Now we need to wait for Rajabiztan to post and see what he'll do :D

[IC]
Suggest you find an antidote and mass produce it.
26-12-2003, 20:18
Chazzikstan believes that biologal weapons are immoral and unjust. We call for Sethesh's immediate disarmament of all viral weapons, or face action taken by the UN.
Pwnica
26-12-2003, 20:20
*Sighs*

You fail to understand that he isn't in the UN, therefore, you can't do anything to him.

I'm in the UN and I don't give a flying **** whether he has biological weapons or not. If you attack him, I'll assist him.
26-12-2003, 20:21
If you read, we found someone who survived, and took him back to the research labs for analysing. An antidote is being worked on, whichh was implied by the post. The virus is in the research stages still. And the information was only released to avoid this problem.
26-12-2003, 20:24
Just so the minister from Pwnica knows, there are much worse things then military strikes!
Pwnica
26-12-2003, 20:27
Is that a threat, padre?
Shildonia
26-12-2003, 20:28
That Sethesh is not a member of the United Nations is irrelevant, as these weapons pose a threat to all nations, irrespective of which international agencies they are associated with. As such, it is the duty of the international community to take action to prevent these weapons from being used.
As such, we issue an ultimatum: either Sethesh will stop production of these weapons willingly, or we shall remove their ability to produce these weapons using the full might of the Shildonian Armed Forces.
26-12-2003, 20:30
Comrade General- Karlovski Stalin

I, the leader of The Armed Republic of Rajabiztan, supreme controller of the Red, Air force, Army and Naval task forces, leader of the graet peoples of Rajabiztan, have placed the 2nd, 3rd and 4th naval task forces on high alert, meaning they shall be able to attack within 3 mins of thwe order.

The 1st, 2nd, 3rd 4th and 10th infantry divisions have been placed on a war footing.

Satilittes have been stratigically placed thoughout the globe gving sight of your plans.

The entire red airforce has begun patrols of areas and will be on a 30min alert.

And our 24SF brigade has been placed on immediate alert.

This is the most force we have ever deployed.

Dont be mistaken this is not war, it is only precautionary. Therefore if we are fired upon it will become war.

I call on our allies and our enemies to unite against this threat of world wide destruction. To stop it via peaceful or violent means.

We have begun patrolling 45 km of the Sethesh coast with four of our stealth subs. This is not an act of war as we have not entered your countries borders.

This is precatuionary. THIS IS NOT AN ACT OF WAR.
Pwnica
26-12-2003, 20:32
That Sethesh is not a member of the United Nations is irrelevant, as these weapons pose a threat to all nations, irrespective of which international agencies they are associated with. As such, it is the duty of the international community to take action to prevent these weapons from being used.
As such, we issue an ultimatum: either Sethesh will stop production of these weapons willingly, or we shall remove their ability to produce these weapons using the full might of the Shildonian Armed Forces.

It's very relevant. You can't force him to destroy any weapon, he is under no rule.
Also - you can't hope to defeat everyone who has biological weapons. It's impossible.
26-12-2003, 20:35
That was not a threat, just a warning that most of the world does not approve of weapons of mass destruction. As well as a reminder that many peoples prefer to use tactics such as blockades or economic sanctions as opposed to bloodshed.
26-12-2003, 20:36
If you recall countries which receive international help from the UN are usually not in the organisation.

I'm sure the UN could reverse this role therefore declaering war on countries which aren't in the UN, if a majority vote for this it will happen.
Shildonia
26-12-2003, 20:37
The very existance of these weapons is a hostile act, and the People's Republic will not stand idly by and allow ourselves to be threatened by such hostile acts.
26-12-2003, 20:37
The attack on my nation will only lead me to Release the virus. Ive no intention to use it in an offensive capacity. The threat is Minimal to other nations.

The difference between a Biological weapon and a nuke is that you can buy a nuke in general. I will destroy the current samples if there is that much of an objection to a nation setting up a viable defense then so be it.

Also i do not have a coast, as i said in a previous post in which i was buying weapons. I state again. I do not intend to use this as an offensive weapon. I do not wish to kill millions, and it is a defensive Measure. Any invasion will result in it being released and this can easily be solved diplomaticly, as i also said in a previous post.
Pwnica
26-12-2003, 20:38
It's for a defensive program, for christ's sake.
If he doesn't attack you with it, it can't really be considered a hostile act.

I'll now leave this topic (unless it escalates to full-out war).
Shildonia
26-12-2003, 20:43
A weapon such as this cannot possibly be seen as defensive. It is a weapon which kills indiscriminatly, without considering the nationality of those it kills. It will kill both soldiers and civillians. It will kill both enemies and those that are neutral. It is a weapon which constitutes a clear and present danger to all nations, and it is a weapon which is in the hands of a genocidal maniac with no respect for human life. It is a weapon that must be destroyed.
Holy panooly
26-12-2003, 20:44
i don't approve such weapons and i'd love to do something about it but he isn't in the UN... we can't do much i'm afraid
26-12-2003, 20:44
Our military forces will stay on high alert until weapons inspectors are allowed to serch the country for any more weapons, like this.

As you said, we have no objection to a country setting up a veasiable defence, but this doesn't have to be biological. If you create a biological weapon its like using mustard gas in a field with no wind direction dectection system. Therefore destroying one country, due to a threat, means that other countries will suffer and if the damage is huge it will effect your country. Either by it's own poisioning or no trade between destoryed countries and your own. That will be your fault and no one will help.

If you want, improve military, if you want defence without loss of lives use the 'bio funding' on non-manned weaponnry eg. Auto sam sites or defence satilittes (Star Trek). Dont use bio weapons for heavens sake. They aren't the awnser.

Like I said the military will be on high alert until the crisis is averted.
26-12-2003, 20:50
Which is exactly why it is a last line of defense. There is no differance from me having this, to you have a gun. Which also kills indiscrimatly. It will kill you regardless of COlour, creed or Ideology, soldier or Civillian.

Am not a genocidal maniac. If i was, and if i didnt beleive in diplomatics, i would have allready released the contagion. which i dont plan to do.

I have no plan to attack anyone. Or fight a war with anyone. Which is why ive developed the contagion, and the easiest way to sort this out would be regulatory. Not Un-conditional.
Atlantian Outcasts
26-12-2003, 20:51
I don't bother with Biological weapons. Too messy. I prefer to make holes in the Ozone above my enemies nations :lol:
26-12-2003, 20:55
Lol have there Entire Population Sucked into space Now thats a WMD lol
Atlantian Outcasts
26-12-2003, 20:58
Lol have there Entire Population Sucked into space Now thats a WMD lol

nah, they don't get sucked into space. Thir crops fail, they get cancer and massive sunburns, and have the entire food chain disintagrate. But no, no one get's sucked into space.
26-12-2003, 20:59
Damn....thats SOOOOOOOO not fair.
26-12-2003, 21:01
"Which is exactly why it is a last line of defense. There is no differance from me having this, to you have a gun. Which also kills indiscrimatly. It will kill you regardless of COlour, creed or Ideology, soldier or Civillian."

A bullet from your own gun won't come back and bite you in the ass. A gun a a contorlled method of destruction. A bio bomb isn't controlled it'll just kill anyone it sees.
Atlantian Outcasts
26-12-2003, 21:03
Damn....thats SOOOOOOOO not fair.

yes it is. I've been working on the Morning Star line since June. *points to MSV* the newest one. been here since October. :D
Pwnica
26-12-2003, 21:04
Okay, I have to come back for a moment:

This "comes back to you" argument is just plain stupid, for two reasons:
1. If it comes back to him, he has an antidote (and no one would be so stupid as to release something like that without a working antidote)
2. It dissipates after a while. Y'know, goes away.
26-12-2003, 21:06
Good point, but desperate times call for desperate messures and your proving my point by getting jumpy about i right on the nose.

But anyway Its obvious most people want me to disarm.

So, the nation of sethesh, will cease research on the Contagion and shut down its Viral Specific military labs. The Current Stocks of the Virus will be locked in the Bio Freezers, and production of the virus will cease immediatly.
26-12-2003, 21:16
Will you allow UN weapons inspectors in to verigy the situation


OOC: 1. If it comes back to him, he has an antidote (and no one would be so stupid as to release something like that without a working antidote)
2. It dissipates after a while. Y'know, goes away.

What querky touch of fate eh?
Were we told it evaporated on pages one or two. Were we told there was an antidote especially after all those criminals were poisioned. eh eh?
Shildonia
26-12-2003, 21:17
This half hearted attempt at disarmament is unacceptable. Simply hiding the weapon until the fuss has died down will allow you to restart work at any time, doubtless in secret this time.
The disarmament must be complete, and be done under the supervision of international inspectors. This will ensure that you can not pose a threat to the civilised world again.
26-12-2003, 21:24
:shock: Complete disarment is impossible, it is short sighted to destroy something that may be more usefulll in the future, if not for medical then for Scientific. Ill allow UN expectors in but i WILL NOT destroy the current samples of the virus

Am being civilised. the only reason your calling me uncivillised is because i have a weapon that can do real damage.

If you want this nation to stop its Biological weapons program. I suggest you stop making demands the way you are.
26-12-2003, 21:33
You absoulutly right! We are acting like this because you've a weapon of mass destruction.

We are alsa doing this for yyour sake and the wrolds sake, not just for our own.

We request that you hand these refidgerated components over to the UN for sercure storage. And we are thankful for you cooperation. Some of our military has stood down in light of this and we recognise your co-operation.
26-12-2003, 21:36
Well Thank you...... I think :?
26-12-2003, 21:53
Shildonia and Rajabiztan are acting like Bush here. "You have weapons of mass destruction, so we're going to massively destroy you!". Give me a break. Do-gooder nations like you two are the real threat to world peace, not those who are willing to do anything to protect themselves and their own borders.
Atlantian Outcasts
26-12-2003, 21:55
This half hearted attempt at disarmament is unacceptable. Simply hiding the weapon until the fuss has died down will allow you to restart work at any time, doubtless in secret this time.
The disarmament must be complete, and be done under the supervision of international inspectors. This will ensure that you can not pose a threat to the civilised world again.

and what are you gonna do about it? Although I do not like Bio-weapons, IT IS NOT OUR PLACE TO TELL HIM WHAT HE CAN AND CAN'T DO. He isn't even part of the UN. Thus, he can do what he damn well pleases.
26-12-2003, 21:58
I must agree OOCly offcourse since am playing the role of a terrorist organisation.

All the guy is doing is protect himself. Hes even being diplomatic about it. Hes right it isnt any different from a gun, and hes not art of the UN, if anything shows his willingness to use it responsibly its the fact hes submitting.
Shildonia
27-12-2003, 03:41
It becomes our place to tell him to disarm when he becomes a threat to our very way of life, and since Sethesh has already said that no further research on this matter there is no reason for these samples to be retained. Doing so only increases the risk that these samples will be in someway misused, whether by malice, by accident, or by some rogue scientist with a grudge against the world.
There is no "scientific benefit" in retaining these samples. The only possible benefit would be to create a vaccine, which would not be needed if the disease did not exist.
Atlantian Outcasts
27-12-2003, 04:24
It becomes our place to tell him to disarm when he becomes a threat to our very way of life, and since Sethesh has already said that no further research on this matter there is no reason for these samples to be retained. Doing so only increases the risk that these samples will be in someway misused, whether by malice, by accident, or by some rogue scientist with a grudge against the world.
There is no "scientific benefit" in retaining these samples. The only possible benefit would be to create a vaccine, which would not be needed if the disease did not exist.

He can keep them if he want's. You have no place to tell him what he can and can't do, as I said before. You think it is a threat? Well go cry about it. As of this moment, Sethesh has our full Military protection.
27-12-2003, 08:42
Ive one word for you People when you say samples like this should not be kept.

Small Pox

Dyou know how many cures have been created out of the 2 remaining samples for virus's with a simmilar genome? Heck, dyou know how much we now wish that Small pox wasnt eradicated. Sure it was a menace, but its made things like Anthrax more deadly to humans because we havnt been exposed to the subtler disease.

My scientists are aware of what this disease can do destructivly, which is more then any UN scientist. Theyve expierence of it, and handing over the samples now would only serve to have them

A. Destroyed
B. Mishandled

Anyone who wishes such a potent virus destroyed has not visited there minister of health on its possibillities for a cure.
Shildonia
27-12-2003, 17:05
Smallpox was a natural disease with relatives. This isn't. This is a weapon of war that was created soully to murder innocent civillians just to satisfy your derranged leaders bloodlust.
A cure would never have been needed, had you not meddled with things beyond your concerns. If you truely wish for a cure to be developed then hand over samples to the United Nations, who will be able to assist you in developing a cure, rather than keeping it locked away in a fridge until your derranged leader wakes up one morning after getting drunk the night before and decides to murder a few million civillians just for laughs and giggles.
Holy Latin Empire
27-12-2003, 17:12
OOC

Sethesh, this RP has displayed your diplomacy skills and you are not a n00b. You have great potential as a long term NS RPer.

Cheers :)
27-12-2003, 17:19
Did you not read my last post. Or my first. Its developed from Influenza. dyou no how many People strains of Influenza kill a year? For a Start theres the Fijian Flu going around right now. Then theres things along the lines of Ebola, which is INCREDIBLY deadly. My reasons for not wishing to hand it over to the UN are in the last post i made. And am not derranged. RL examples of People who stock Bio Weapons: USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, South Africa. You calling the Worlds Super Powers insane?

Im doing no different from them. I dont intend to use them, and were they to be passed over to the UN the samples would be mishandled. I am currently releasing biological research to the convention in Panooly, including an anti-viral developed from the Phage properties of this virus. And Ideas for Anti-Bacterial Plating.

I have disarmed, stopped producing and stopped research on the destructive properties of the vius. Hamding it over to the United nations when my scientists are so much more expierenced with this virus is stupid. Heck im allowing UN weapons inspectors into my country. Whos job it is to make sure am actually doing research into the medical properties of the virus rather then its destructive. Handing it over to the UN when inspectors are allready there, and my scientists are more expierenced in the virus is insane. You said it yourslef. If a couple of Grams of this gets out it could kill millions. And you would want the less expierenced people handling its containment?
Shildonia
27-12-2003, 17:36
Anyone who goes out of their way to create a weapon whose only use is to murder civillians is insane. It may have been developed from influenza, but you and your insane minions have doubtless twisted it beyond recognition. If you wish to research influenza, why not research influenza? rather than attempting to make it more virulent. It is the very definition of insanity. Creating a disease just to create a cure would take twice as long as taking an existing disease and creating a cure. It is the very definition of inefficiency, and near criminal negligence.
You did not disarm, you locked it away in a cupboard, probably the same cupboard it was in when you were waving it around and murdering your own citizens.

(since you're a democracy, I assume your citizens have Freedom of Speech and the right to protest etc. As such The Shildonian Government is going to donate £50million Shildonian Pounds to whichever organisations will protest against these weapons.)
Atlantian Outcasts
27-12-2003, 17:40
oh, so since I have WMD, are you going to force your way into my nation as well, or are you just bullying your way around young, weak nations?
*unvailes Morning Star 5*
this baby can blast a hole in your Ozone within a few minutes. You going to make a fuss out of this as well?
27-12-2003, 17:43
A. Influenza itself isnt a problem, its the celss it infects, making a more potent, faster growing one allows research to continue at a faster pace.

B. Am not a Democracy, i never said i was, am a sultanate.

C. Scientists Create new Diseases all the time to study them. There never destroyed for reasons i have previously stated.

If you are so rejectent to scientiffic endevour, Ill assume you put yourself in the "stone age" category.
Shildonia
27-12-2003, 17:45
The donation was being done quietly, hence the brackets so kindly stop claiming to know about it. Plus if you blow a hole in the ozone layer I will respond using my own WMD, and you'll die quicker then I will. And since holes in the Ozone layer move around a lot, not only will you have made war on me, but om whatever countries happen to be also affected.
Also, how do you blow a hole in the ozone layer in a few minutes?
Pwnica
27-12-2003, 17:47
Wait, so you have WMDs, but you complain when he researches/develops some?
Shildonia
27-12-2003, 17:48
B. Am not a Democracy, i never said i was, am a sultanate.


Except, you are an "Inoffensive Centrist Democracy" with "Very Good" Political Freedoms and Civil Rights. These are the stats generated by the game itself, and you can't ignore them because they don't suit you.
Shildonia
27-12-2003, 17:50
Wait, so you have WMDs, but you complain when he researches/develops some?

I have nuclear weapons, which can be used with relative precision and would not be targetted against civillians. He has a biological weapon which can not be targetted with any precision and will most likely be used against civillians.
27-12-2003, 17:52
Just because the Game classifies my Goverment as a Democracy, doesnt mean my Goverment type is a democracy. you cant force someone to become a democracy because the game says so.

And whos to say one of those rights is the right to free speech. My people vote on things like High Judge of the Supreme Court. But my goverment is a sulatanate like Arabia.
27-12-2003, 18:01
I have a population of 1.5billion, and a Frightening economy.
Do you see?
27-12-2003, 18:04
Thats not proving a point, thats just lieing. And your pointing at factors which the game can regulate. My name as a sultanate implies non democratic. And this is getting off the IC issue anyway.
Shildonia
27-12-2003, 18:07
Basically you're saying it's alright for you to lie, but not for the delightful young nation of Proving A Point? The game can regulate your government type, as it is based on the issues which you answer. If you want to be a sultanate then you will have to get your UN designation changed to a dictatorship of some kind.
If you decide to ignore the facts laid down by the game, then you are godmoding, and I will ignore you.
27-12-2003, 18:08
The Kingdom Of Milinta does support this research. The disease/infection that has been created COULD be vital to human research. Although, if this disease is unleashed without good reason, then by approach will take a complete turn around. Meaning i will not support it.

Please take 100million in your currency.
27-12-2003, 18:13
Ignore me get this whole thing over with. Its not godmodding, people do it all the time. your saying ust because am a good dictatorship. Means i have to be a democracy?

NAMES USED BY DICTATORS TO DESCRIBE THERE NATIONAL GOVERMENT

Organic Democracy
Neo Democracy
Guided Democracy
Model Democracy
Self Making Democracy

Have i proved My point?

Now can we get back to the IC issue instead of Arguing about the issues of goverment type. There should Probably be a Option were you set your form of goverment.
Atlantian Outcasts
27-12-2003, 21:09
The donation was being done quietly, hence the brackets so kindly stop claiming to know about it. Plus if you blow a hole in the ozone layer I will respond using my own WMD, and you'll die quicker then I will. And since holes in the Ozone layer move around a lot, not only will you have made war on me, but om whatever countries happen to be also affected.
Also, how do you blow a hole in the ozone layer in a few minutes?

1. I didn't say anything about your donation. I was simply wondering if you where going to make the same threats agenst me, and have me remove my WMD.

2. What kind of WMD? I am on another world (future tech), so nukes would take eons to reach me.

3. The Ozone can be repaired, and they don't move that much. Take the one above Antartica, it's still there. It hasn't moved to South America.

4. I will get back to you on the minutes part. I got the Idea from a book, but I am at a relatives house right now, and don't have it with me. On monday I'll be happy to explain it.
Shildonia
28-12-2003, 01:08
I don't do future tech, because it is godmoding, and it is even more godmoding than ignoring your nations stats.
Atlantian Outcasts
28-12-2003, 01:44
I don't do future tech, because it is godmoding, and it is even more godmoding than ignoring your nations stats.
It isn't godmodding. It is perfectly acceptable, and even some of the mods are future tech (like Scolo). And you can still have whatever government you like, regardless of what it sayes you are. The only stats that matter are Economy and Population. But, fine, ignore any opposition. Fine with me, just shows me how much of a roleplayer you are.
*leaves thread*
28-12-2003, 23:11
28-12-2003, 23:12
Sethesh!
Disarm immediately or face severe consequences!
Shildonia
29-12-2003, 02:54
2. What kind of WMD? I am on another world (future tech), so nukes would take eons to reach me.


Or to put it another way


I can hit you with all kinds of wierd and wonderful weapons with no basis in reality, but if you even try to fight back you won't be able to because I live on the other side of the galaxy.


Also the FAQ has this to say on the subject of government types:


You can call your nation whatever you like, but it doesn't make it true. The UN categorizes nations based on their laws, not their names. Changing your name from "Dictatorship" to "Republic" (or anything else) has cosmetic value only.
29-12-2003, 03:04
Please discontinue your biological weapons program


General Zircon
The Zoogie People
29-12-2003, 03:06
Sethesh!
Disarm immediately or face severe consequences!

Please note that currently Sethesh is in my region. Perform any hostile act on him and we will be forced to respond in the defense of our region...you should reconsider your statement. :)
29-12-2003, 16:54
To the senator representing the Zoogie people, it would not be very wise to do any such thing. At the moment, under the order of the Supreme ruler,we have bombers in the air within 90 seconds flying time of Sethesh's biological facilities, which can then easily fly on to their capital in 2 minutes. If you wish, we can have bombers over your capital city in 5 minutes, turning the center of your government into a wasteland.

It is your choice Senator.
29-12-2003, 22:09
Ok, To put it simply am going to say a few last things, then to put it simply. Im leaving what could have been a good, worth while dilomatic RP forever.

Quotes, comments or stupid My bombers some how are withing 90 Seconds of your nation posts, in context to this will be sumarily Ignored.

:arrow: NEW IGNORES

Firstly, Shildonia is now Ignored, though his account is older then mine, he fails to realise that other people have different views then him, and par my request continued to argue about an OOC issue i wanted to leave so this RP could continue.

Secondly, MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM is now Ignored, because theres fuck all way his bombers are within 90 seconds of me, even super sonic ones, Possibly with future tech, but then thats godmodding because im not a future tech player, he also gives little chance for the location of these Biological facillities to be revealed, any defenses or my own, obviously Larger airforce.

:arrow: Other Stuff

Right, i wanted to leave this OOC argument Straight off and get back to the RP Ignoring Such issues, but, it has turned into a Malicious argument. My friends, admitadly though they should not i have the feeling some argued for me based simply on our friendship. While Others, have been
like dogs with bones argeing one point for the other in a hope to get the upper hand that way.

If you argued against me and havnt been ignored, its because you were mature and on the level, like everyone should be. Heck i was expecting argument but not like this.

In regards to Goverment Type, im of the oppinion, as most people have spoke to are that you can choose your own goverment type. However, there should, be an Option for "goverment Type" in future which i plan to suggest if it hasnt allready.

In regards to AO "goddmodding"he was meerly illustrating a point that you cant boss someone about, in my oppinion, and if you couldnt see that then you need to see a Psychiatrist. Ive tried, and feel i have been fair and on the level. But i dont feel i can continue with this diplomatic RP and am leaving this thread, i request that all those involved including those ive ignored, leave it aswell. And leave these posts behind, not dragging in some dufflebag behind you.

Thats it, Goodbye.
The Zoogie People
29-12-2003, 22:11
Thank you for alerting us to your plans of laying waste to our government. Missile defense systems are being prepared now, and we have 500 MiG-29Ms, 30 F-22s, 100 Su-37s, and 200 F-16Cs flying combat air patrol over the borders that face your nation (where the bombers are coming from). The destruction of Sethesh's biological facilities - which personally, we do not agree entirely to - will cause much havoc in his lands, and in turn in our region, due to the spreading of chemicals. Stand down immediately, and fly no bombers into our airspace. Any bombers flying into Zoogie airspace will be shot down immediately.

In addition to the manned aircraft, all 100 of our KE-1 UAVs are now patrolling our borders.

Stand down and fly no bombers over our airspace - or they will be shot down. Direct threats to our government will not be tolerated.

The Prime Minister and many other important figures have been evacuated to undisclosed locations (starting to sound like an article on Dick Cheney, aren't I? :))

Is is your choice, MMMMMMMMMMMM.

(This was made before I saw Sethesh's post...MMMMMMMMM is also now ignored, although I take it his statement was IC and serious)
31-12-2003, 16:26
As you should know our country is not against WMD possession. For example one of our first things to do as a newly formed country was to try and possess nuclear weapons, but alas the pro gram was stopped because of various economic and militaristic reasons.

What we do not support is the possession of biological WMD's or Chemical WMD's.

The reason for this is such:

If a biological missile if launched and hits a country many thousands of miles away it will, with no doubt, cripple that country, correct?

What about countries around it, some of which may be supporting your war campaign or granting you goods or arms trades. The biological agent may leak into them and so on and so on. Soon maybe 30 or 40 countries my be infected. Unles your country is huge, like america. It will begin to feel the strain of less trade, less economy. Living conditions of your peoples will suffer. soon maybe 100 countries will be affected either directly by the bomb or in directly. Your country will then be partially crippledby the things which you have created.

We ask you to cease production of this agent. To destroy all things which may have been infected in a secure area by incineration. We ask if you have any samples left that they be handed to UN control so a vaccine may be made and the samples can be destroyed properly.

Thank you.
31-12-2003, 16:34
Uck, i said id leave this but for you, the civil one ill respond. We have allready developed an Anti-Viral agents (viraliophage.....Virus Eater) that will cure all virus's its on sale now. It makes all viral agents obsolete when applied as weaponry (or any other way for that fact). It is Extremely expensive though at up to $1000 a Treatment.
31-12-2003, 16:38
In light of this, Rajabiztan would like to set up a mass production plant for this cure and purchase the rights to it. We will then increase supply of this cure to the UN for equal distribution to the world's governments.
31-12-2003, 16:42
Ive retained the rights, youll have to purchase the Part Production rights when i release them. And then i retain the right to sell them (meaning you can only produce it for yourself and not sell it off).

Visit my Storefront for it though :)
31-12-2003, 16:47
Rajabiztan has thought this over and decided to withdraw the offer as it is aginst the Comrade General's wishes. We do ask though that if a country where to be infected with this virus that you give them a full supply of Virophage without charge or atleast at a reasonable discounted price.
31-12-2003, 16:49
Its in the Storefront that prices will be lowered in emergency. Im all for giving out samples of this anyway.
31-12-2003, 16:52
Thank you for you co-operation Sethesh.