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General Ramirez from the country General Ramirez(not egotistical whatsoever) is paranoid about his safety in a possible upcoming war. The general want a fortress type military base containing a deep maze of bunkers when this war starts. Essentally a fortress city. If this possible give your specs and prices.

Yes, we'll take it. I mean... AHEM....The contractors of the People's Republic of Samtonia will be willing to create your system of static defenses. We envision hidden bunkers, reeinforced tunnels, well lit corridors, massive emergency power supplies, a secrst command room, escape routes- in short everything you could ask for. We are willing to build this state of the art system for around the cost of the materials, 1 billion USD and trading rights with your country for as long as we require.
Sinlas Draxis, CEO of the Samtonian National Construction Company.

Well...if you want a fortified military base, why not include anti-aircraft machinery in case they bomb it? I am offering you the class of surface-to-air missiles that The Zoogie People uses, the GU-13. It is radar guided, and manufactured by our leading armament corporation. It's a mobile radar-guided sam system based on the SA-16, with certain improvements in range and ceiling.

We are willing to fortify your city additionally with twenty-five of these units for $1 billion USD and also, trading rights with your country for as long as we require.

OOC: I've been searching everywhere for how much this would cost...to no avail. Websites these days...don't they know that SA obviously means Surface-to-Air? :) Anyways, if anyone experienced can provide a reasonable price, I'll gladly alter it...(25 improved SA-16 systems)

Rebeland's finest engineers have created a blueprint (sorry no pics available). This intricate fortress is 300,000 sq. ft. in diameter. It has approximately 89 rooms. A bunker that is capable of taking a direct hit from a nuclear bomb is located underneath the complex. Up to 100,000 men can stay in this complex at a time. If this complex is dug into a mountain it can house 3,000,000 people :D. It is also equipped with a swimming pool, a dining hall, a missile command center, a war room, a telecommunications center, and a helipad. Numerous airplane hangers can be put into the fortress as well. The ubiquitous complexity of this fortress makes it rather expensive however. Yet, because I recognize the power and potential of your mighty nation, I will have it built in the location of your choice for a total of $5,000,000,000.00 that may sound like a lot of money, but this fortress is made out of solid steel and the outer wall is 50 feet thick! I will leave you to your decision. Have a nice day.

Ahem. One misslie would cost around 250k. One fire unit would probably be around 15 million. And one battery would be about 30 mil. dollars.
All this from the best tachnical data site on the web,http://www.fas.org/index.html, The Federation of American Scientists(Check the resources sidebar)

You people... pfft...

ASW will be willing to takeon the burden. What we were thinking is building the fortress into a cliffside elevation of maybe about 400 feet abovegroundsinto the cliff wall. All around, the base perimeter would be about 90 km, surrounded by machine gun nests, gaurd towers, fortified camo bunkers, security cameras (infrared, NV, standard), motion sensors, and searchlights. Attack dog pens would be stationed at 2 km intervals.

To access the base, it would require a keycard into a specified slot in a heavy lift elevator. Once up at the entry doors to the base, 4 seperate passcodes, audio, and retina scans will be requried to pass through 10" reinforced titanium and lead blast doors. There will be a half km long walkway, lined with security cameras and automated machine guns.

Inside the base will be located 4 sub-atomic power generators, two security consoles, meeting rooms, tactical rooms, and other such needed areas. It will be drilled 600 feet down, resulting in rooms scattered all the way down to 200 below sea level. Each room will be surrounded by lead in case of nuclear fallout. Each room will be accessed by keycard, retina, and audio scan. A verbal password will be required, and anyone trying to infiltrate where they should not be will be gunned down by automated machine guns.

It will cost several billion to construct, about 200 million for all requried security, and roughly 90 million in maintenance every 4 years.

Raysia... the entire nation of Raysia... is one big fortress. Guarded by an elite force of airmen, and secured by a number of large cannons guarding the sea and air.

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig1.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rmtdex.htm)

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Oh all right...so I'm guessing 25 * 30, or 750 million for the SAMs...

I will take the missile defense systems from The Zoogie People and the base idea from the archaic slang words. The money total 750 for the sam sites and that several billion will be wired upon conformation. Do we have a deal?

We have a deal. :D

$750 million for the SAM sites and trading for as long as we require. :)

750 million wired. 8)

Once the fortress plan is layed out, we will be sending over engineers, supplies, and constructors to build the 25 SAM sites in strategic areas around your fortress.

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It seems like i will need a new contractor for my fortress, but i already have purchased an air defence sys. Any body up for a challenge and wants a contract? Goal: to make rediculous fortified area. Anybody willing?

Samtonia, Rebeland, and whoever else posted earlier.

The Star Force Agency, the Dominion of Thakan Dar's space agency, submits to the general an application for contract.

New Human Laboratories, a subsidiary of SFA, has recently perfected its design for the Q2 Electromagnetic Pulse Shield. The Q2 is composed of six generators, arranged in a hexagonal formation around its ward, that generate, store, and fire concentrated and directed EM pulses at aerial targets. The Q2's range is 1000 metres and can fire continuously at a rate of six per second. The Q2 is capable of rendering useless, if not destroyed, both craft and ordnance within its range.

New Human Labs offers the suggestion of Q2 units to supplement the defences of the general's fortress. The cost for a fully equipped and constructed Q2 unit is $300 million USD.


We await your reply,

Dr. Vivia Ensek
Administrator, New Human Laboratories
Dominion of Thakan Dar

As advice to Zoogie i suggest you do not take Samtonia'a and Thakan's offers, after reviewing their countries they hardly seem fit to build a large relaible fortress. There are nations with much better credits out there, hell you could probably do it yourself. But if you insist on outside help i will aid you free of charge with a team of our top military architects so they can cater to your generals needs. Please telegram me if you accept my offer.

Anarresa...it's not my request, it's General Ramirez's.

The Star Force Agency would like to convey to General Ramirez its apologies and condolences for having to suffer the mudslinging tactics of its rival contract competitors.

While it is true the general would be the first to utilize the Q2 EMPS...it is also true that the general would be THE FIRST to utilize the Q2.


Awaiting your reply,

Dr. Vivia Ensek
Administrator, New Human Laboratories
Dominion of Thakn Dar

I will gladly agree to construct your defense fortress. We look forward to working with you.

How much I'll take.

We were considering doing it for roughly 60 billion covered for funding. We will provide weaponry free of charge, and same with security equipment. We will take out a "loan" from our regional manufacturers.

New Human Laboratories would like to offer the following amendment to its contract proposal.

Q2 unit, fully equipped and constructed - $200 million USD


Thank you,

Dr. Vivia Ensek
Administrator, New Human Laboratories
Dominion of Thakan Dar

I will take both. So heres the 750 million being wired to Thakan Dar and 60 billion to Archaic slang words once they answer the question. (hefy purchase). the 60 bill covers what?

I will take both. So heres the 750 million being wired to Thakan Dar and 60 billion to Archaic slang words once they answer the question. (hefy purchase). the 60 bill covers what?

I was considering barbed wire fencing, concrete, steel, iron, wires for security equipment, furnishings of the base, drilling equipment (it's a huge drilling thing you know), work elevators, wood, construction equipment, explosives (for hollowing out the cliff... nothing short of high-quality thermite or dynamite will do, and I don't have that), and of course, to feed and house the workers while they're on task. There's an estimated 300 million left over for transporting everything there and back.

General Ramerez we have done weapons deals before so i know you can trust dd arms

www.freewebs.com/ddmanufacturing

Your three Q2 units will be delivered immediately. The additional $150 million USD will be credited to your account for future purchases. We thank you for your patronage.


Dr. Vivia Ensek
Administrator, New Human Laboratories
Dominion of Thakan Dar

Archaic slang words I am wiring the 60 billion over. Just gimme the specs.

General Ramirez,

It would seem that your national accounts are insufficient to make the payment promised to New Human Laboratories. But, as Thakan Dar is also too small to have ever realistically produced a Q2 beyond the design stage, we feel that fair is fair, and call the whole thing off. Perhaps, in the future, when both our nations can contain our respective visions, we can again do business. Until then...


Dr. Vivia Ensek
Administrator, New Human Laboratories
Dominion of Thakan Dar

In the end all this techno wizardary can't hold a fortress. When it gets up-close and personal, you are going to have to depend on the raw courage and equipment of the infantry. After all, after your missile defence has been leveled by a nuke (face it, even a country created yesterday has one) and your tanks mercilessly wasted by whatever helicopter or bomber, they will use their infantry to take your fortress.
Check out http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107593 for the most important component of any defence.

Ministry of Defence
Confederacy of Li Kam States

What I really hate about all of these things is the fact that new contires take nukes and other countries use massive numbers. what ever happened to Strategy?

Exactly, why does every country spend 20% of their budget of the military - are they all dictatorships? And of that, the problem is they spend 99% on weaponry. Even if a country has 5 billion to by 10000 Challenger 2 tanks, it costs so much more to maintain. OOC: Look at the U.S, they could only afford 4,796 M1A1 tanks, and they are cheaper, last generation technology. What do we all think?

Is 15% acceptable?...

About how many billion is that?

I've just looked it up, US spends 13.5% of total budget on military. They are not the highest percentage spenders though, so you're looking ok!

For me, 15% is 50.77 billion. Thanks.

Population: 115,000,000
Civil Rights: Unheard Of
Economy: Powerhouse
GDP per Capita: $25,000
GDP: $2,875,000,000,000
National Budget: $609,960,000,000

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 15%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 70.7%
Military Budget: $431,250,000,000

Enough for:
13,866 F-15Es, or...
21,562 Su-34s, or...
22,938 F-16s, or...
39,204 MiG 29s, or...
100,290 M1A2 Abrams, or...
143,750 T-90s, or...
735,921,501 M-16s, or...
1,437,500,000 AK47s

There be my defense... oo, look at that, I could by 1 billion AKs... wow.. I don't even have 1 billion people in my nation. What ever would I do with 1 billion AKs?

You're doing it on percentage GDP...it ought to percentage of your BUDGET lol. The second button on the second section of the calculator is the one you should use.

Sell them to the people in the Balklands- always eager to start a war.

You're doing it on percentage GDP...it ought to percentage of your BUDGET lol. The second button on the second section of the calculator is the one you should use.

Whoops! See what happens when you work in haste?

Population: 115,000,000
Civil Rights: Unheard Of
Economy: Powerhouse
GDP per Capita: $25,000
GDP: $2,875,000,000,000
National Budget: $609,960,000,000

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 3.18%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 15%
Military Budget: $91,494,000,000

Enough for:
2,941 F-15Es, or...
4,574 Su-34s, or...
4,866 F-16s, or...
8,317 MiG 29s, or...
21,277 M1A2 Abrams, or...
30,498 T-90s, or...
156,133,105 M-16s, or...
304,980,000 AK47s

Still not that bad. I can buy 3 times the AKs I need... Hahheh.