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For our second entry to the competition, we give you our first naval surface ship. We may not be experienced, but we have taken 'stuff' from other countries technicians, who have helped with this project. We are glad it has been completed, as it has been hard work. But now, we advance, and give you this new ship.

We release to you, our new Coastal Bombardment Ship, and Heavy Cruiser.

ГАРПУН “Harpoon” Class Battleship

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Design

This ship was designed to be a strong, large and fast battleship. We feel proud, on high we have accomplished all these goals, and some more. For the strong part, the ship had to be well armed, and for that it had to be large. The fast part was the most difficult, and there was only one way it could be accomplished.

Kazakhstania’s first nuclear reactor was slammed in. A powerful engine, identical to the one on a Nimitz Aircraft Carrier. On the carrier there are two, and it is the same here. The two engines can propel this ship to over 45 knots on level sea’s, more with a tailwind. This is quite an accomplishment, gathering that this ship has a 67,000-ton displacement. That’s more than an Iowa Battleship, which is larger.

To accommodate the large components, the ship had to be large, very large. At 130 feet wide, and 856 feet in length. As high as a 12-story building, it’s very, very big. Its armour is enough to stop any 16” shell in existence, and most missiles such as Harpoon and Tomahawk. Big, oh so big. :D

The superstructure is low and well armoured, to stop 14” shells. In it, everything is found. There are weapons control, the bridge, all communications etc. Under the deck, the crew’s quarters are found. The weapons stores are here as well, under a deck of steel 5 inches thick. The deck can take most bomb blasts, and shells up to 14” thick.

There are bulkheads every 40 feet, and each ‘cell can be sealed off. The weapon’s stores and space under the guns are all sealed off in bombproof containers. The ship is incredibly well armoured, and its rivets are very, very strong. So, the very well armoured and defended piece was easy then.

Systems

There are many, many systems on this boat. It is electronically advanced, and most things are computerized. This allows for a crew of a little over 900. Indeed, the turrets are crewless and aimed by a computer, as are most of the weapons. All the systems are detailed here, which of there are many.

The radar’s are in plentiful supply. There are 3, and one sonar. The first detailed, is the KZ-1 Long Range Anti Aircraft Radar, for the SA-20 SAM Missiles. The search range for this radar is 400km, and the data managed is taken in by the Supercomputer, which is the size of a room. It can take in over 200 aerial targets at once, including an F-117 Nighthawk from 60km. It is very powerful, basically a ground based AWAC’s.

The KZ-2 Surface Scan Radar is also very powerful. Angled down 0.07 degrees, it can scan targets up to 250km away. It can detect a stealth boat at 50km, and again can pass targets to the weapon control computer, as the KZ-1 can also do. The supercomputer deals with it, and can take in over 140 surface contacts. Also, there are various passive short-range detectors.

There are 6 sonar devices, which are not that good. They are straight off a Perry Class Destroyer, and can detect submarines from a great distance, and passes the info to the weapons computer. The weapons computer does what it says. It takes in targets positions, and automatically chooses the best weapon depending on the circumstances. It can be manually done, and must be monitors for IFF decisions.
There is also an Identification program, which labels the craft for identification.

A varied version of JTIDS is used. In this version, it takes info straight from the computers and configures it. It automatically passes it around info straight from the sensors, to the computers and all computers around the ship. It then passes the info around to all sources that are detailed by the person manning it. But there is one glorious thing about this new JTIDS. It takes in info from outside sources, and communicates ‘em to the weapon computer, for firing. This greatly helps for shore targeting and the like.

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Weaponry

There is not much to say about the weapons, minus stats. It is a heavily armed ship, and here they are.

2 Triple Barrel 20" ETC Cannons
1 Single Barrelled 10" ETC Cannon
4 Quad Barreled Harpoon Missile Launchers
16 VLS Cells
6 AK-630/Igla CIWS Systems
2 40mm Mini-ETC AA Flak Guns
12 AAM-3F SAM Missiles
2 ASW Mortar Launchers
8 Torpedo Launchers
6 ASW Depth Charge Launchers

As you can see, it is heavily armed. The turrets are crewless, in fact, everything is. We could not, unfortunately, fit any helicopters on, though this may be a later upgrade.

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Thankyou for your time. Now, stats :X

Displacement: Light Displacement: 67,531 tons
Full Displacement: 71,271 tons
Length: Overall Length: 856 ft
Waterline Length: 823 ft
Beam: Extreme Beam: 130 ft
Waterline Beam: 121 ft
Max Speed: 36 knots
Power Plant: 2 High Pressure Nuclear Reactors
Armament: 2 Triple Barrel 20" ETC Turrets
1 Single Barrelled 10" ETC Cannon
4 Quad Barrelled Anti-Ship Missile Launchers
16 VLS Cells
6 AK-630/Igla CIWS Systems
2 40mm Mini-ETC AA Flak Guns
12 AA-3F SAM Missiles
2 ASW Mortar Launchers
8 Torpedo Launchers
6 ASW Depth Charge Launchers
Combat Systems:[/b 1 KZ-1 Radar
1 KZ-2 Radar
6 KZ-3 Sonars
Numerous Sensors
Numerous Computer Programs
[b]Compliment: 915 ship's company
35 officers
Cost:$2,900,000,000

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Greetings,

We would like to order two of these fine ships. For the combined cost of
$2'400'000'000

Thank you Kazaksthania

Order Confirmed.

Looking forward to your present :D

Midlonia whises to place an order for one, but requests that the money be payed over a 2 year period

*Tagging this thread for future purchase(s)*

Central Facehuggeria would like to purchase two of these vessels. We'll pay extra if they arrive soon.

My kingdom requires the following:

4 of your 'Harpoon' class ships at a total of 4,800,000,000 USD

Money wired upon confermation. Thankyou.

Laiyla wishes to expand her navy with 1 of these.

Hmm something isn't right here.
Ahh, yup. The Iowa after the 1982 refit, topped at just over 57,000 tons, that makes it 15% LIGHTER than your ship. Whoops.
The maximum rated output for the Iowa's boilers was 254,000 shp. The Nimitz, 280,000 shp. With the size difference and all, as well as a number of other limiting factors I could point out, I fail to see how this ship could maintain much more than 35 knots fully loaded. 45 is a godmod any way you put it.
Armament is too heavy. At 67,000 tons, it could barely manage to hold 6 20" guns. Adding the 14" ones just pushes it way over.
Look up actual armor and penetration figures rather than saying that it can withstand things as an absolute. It's only a matter of range. Either list actual armor thickness or give a realistic range at which a particular weapon could penetrate. For the record, if it can stop my shells at 20 km, you're godmodding.

Finally, price is too low. It's true that an Iowa can go for about $1 billion, but what they don't tell you is that that's the cost of the WWII version. A new-design battleship, especially a nuclear powered one, should not be under $3 billion.

HHmm those using ETC tech on such huge guns will make them even heavier (at least a 20% difference) hence why i developed my long barreled 12" guns basically as stop gaps for 12" ETC guns (which would roughly be about the size/weight of a 15" conventional which roughly fits in with a heavily modified vangaurd base).

Admittedly this is based purely on my geuuses from the 120mm ETC vs 140mm conventional comparisson. ETCs are far more viable on ships where there is massive power generation availble (esspecailly nuclear powered vessels)

I'll take one 8)

Sorry about the godmodding. I know little about naval vessels, though have researched a lot lately, for it I could not find any armor figures, so just put a rough estimate.

As for the guns, maybe I was pushing it. It is for a competition, so it had to have a cerain number of guns. I'll tone it down a bit.

Also, the competition stated over 45 knots. I think that would be godmodding in itself. As for the price, can do.

And comparing it to the Iowa....its MEANT to be bigger :roll:

Fixed. Revised orders confirmed.

bump

Your ships have preformed admirably in our test we were running on them.
So we would like to puchase another 4, even with the raised price.....
(11.6 billion)

money wired upon confermation. Thankyou for your services.

Eh...Order Confirmed.

Thankyou for your good review. We gift you a free full laod of ammo for verythign on the ship.

Any other orders?

C'mon, its christmas! Treat yourself.

Fine, I will treat myself :) I will increase military spending this NS year because I didn't buy anything for about a month.

1 please.

Order Confirmed.

I think you will like. And check your F-16 thread.

The Kingdom of Austica will purchase 3 of these vessels for a combined cost of $8.7 billion dollars, and requests that such ships be delivered by the 5th January. For this fast delivery, the Kingdom of Austica will pay an extra surcharge to you of $1.2 billion dollars.

The Kingdom of Austica also plans to re-equip the ships with standard weaponary of the Austican fleet.

Please telegram our Defence Minister to confirm the order.

Telegram:

Your order has been confirmed, and the weapons loaded are standard to armies all round the world. Over.

Kind regards. The payment shall be delivered upon delivery of warship. For your quick response to our request we hereby submit the extra surcharge of $1.2billion immediately to your designated bank account

Thankyou for your business, the ships WILL be ready.

bump

Simply beautiful vessel and well worth the price tag. Meramoso will purchase 3. As the we are already wiring the money, we would request the ships be delivered ASAP.

It is a pleasure doing business with you.

Order Confirmed.

We thank you for your review, for that you get a free plate of cookie for the captain.

No-one?

Well...since my colony (of the Zoogie People) needs a fleet, and we feel nice, and we have a lot of spare money to spend on our military budget of 75 billion (at 10%!)...we'll take four, and will wire 4.8 billion.

:D

HEY! Thats what my G-Battlehips look like!

G-Battleships?

EH? Its just the battleship from C&C Generals.

Order Confirmed, enjoy Zoogie.

The Kingdom of Austica has decided to further its order, and increase by a further three battle ships. The Kingdom will pay the total amount upon delivery.

Thank you for doing business with us.

Order Confirmed.

Enjoy your ships, you will find theya re one of the best ships in he NS world.

We need 4 this time, Kazakstania.

$11'600'000'000 has been wired.

Orderio Confirmed.

Need a fleet destroyed? This is the one for you.

bump

Crookfur? Sorted?

Its beautiful. Really is.

General Zircon, Desra

Once they are delivered just wire me the bill through of TG function.

Canadien Bacon will purchase four of them.
*all 11.6 billion dollars wired*

HRH's government wishes to buy 4 of these ships...

~money wired via Midlania accounts~

Wow, popular.

Orders Confirmed, enjoy your stuff.

Thanks for the + comments.

Please say this is right.

IT seems Ok, personally i'm still not sold on the actual usefulness of such massive guns whwich even with very powerful and advanced loading systems are goign to be dreadfully slow firing (i would say you might get perhaps 1 round per minute out of them).

I still echo CSJ's advice about some actual armor figures after all there are lots of different types of 14" shell out there

OOC: I am actually limited by the picture here. It only has 6 cannons, so I thought Id better make them large.

During World War II, big guns were go as they could deliver firepower from the sea. These days, planes take over this job from carriers and bomb more precisely compared to shelling.

However, you could deliver NBC agents from large shells like artillery can. They look mean and nasty ...

Do you know a thing?

Modern Battleships can provide fire at twice as quick a rate of fire through its guns and missiles than any aircraft carrier can. Planes must take off, and, return. If they do not, ROF is reduced, whereas Battleship require to be sunk to stop the shelling. And thats where the armor coems in.

I'll Take one battleship!

The money has been wired

Order Confirmed.

In recent trials, the 3 Harpoon Class Battleships that we purchased did very well. We would like to purchase 4 more of these high-quality vessels for a total cost of $11,600,000,000. Money wired upon confirmation.

when will it be delivered?

The firepower of the battleships nine 16-inch guns is well known, and new sabot shells allow ranges in excess of 100 miles. Naval guns are especially effective because they fire shells like bullets, e.g. faster than the speed of sound. While radar and the noise of aircraft, missiles, howitzers, and mortars provide time to take cover, a battleship can explode nine 2000 lbs shells on a target without warning. In addition, troops can fire back at aircraft and ground pieces, but they can only hide and wait for the battleships to go away.

During an interview about the 1944 Normandy landing published in "The German Generals Talk", German Field Marshall von Rundstedt said, "Besides the interference of the Air Forces, the fire of your battleships was a main factor in hampering our counter-stroke. This was big surprise, both in its range and effect." German General Blumentritt remarked that US Army officers who interrogated him after the war did not seem to realize what a serious effect naval bombardment had on German defenders. In Korea and Vietnam, the battleships boldly cruised just off the coast destroying targets whose air defenses had downed hundreds of US attack aircraft.

Aircraft are expensive. Precision guided bombs aren't cheap either. Battleships are excellent for shore bombardment(with new sabot shells allowing over 100 miles distance). Throw in a SCRAMJet round and you got one hell of a mother comin at you.. (A SCRAMJet Artillery round fired from a 16" naval gun can reach the exoatmosphere..)

One of the main problems with NS battleship designs is that many fail to take into account what could realistically be put on a ship. Because this is not a very well known fact, I will state this simply. A ?minor? increase of 2 inches in bore diameter will reduce the number of guns that can be carried by 33%. This is not guesswork or supposition, but is based on both US and Japanese studies before and during WWII. The US discovered that increasing the size of their battleship guns from 16 to 18? would drop the number that could be carried from 9 guns to 6 or 7. The Japanese, with their Super Yamato project, learned that the 72,000+ ton Yamato, with 9 18.1? guns, would only be able to accept 6 20? rifles, and that a ship with 9 20? guns would have to displace about 100,000 tons. Their ultimate goal was a 90-100,000 tons ship with 8 20? guns. The same thing also applies to secondary weapons, and if you have 12 6? guns, increasing them to 8? ones will reduce the number to 8.


So, to make it easy, here are some general displacements and the maximum number of main guns a ship that size can conceivably carry. If you look at proposed and real designs like the Yamato, Super Yamato and Montana, you?ll see that these do fit rather well. Do note that ships over 70,000 tons are huge, and those that are over 100,000 tons are too much for many harbors and canals. Build that big at your own risk:

Displacement=50-65,000 tons
14? guns: 12
16? guns: 9
18? guns: 6
20? guns: 4

Displacement=70-85,000 tons
14? guns: 16
16? guns: 12
18? guns: 9
20? guns: 6

Displacement=90-110,000 tons
14? guns: 21
16? guns: 16
18? guns: 12
20? guns: 9

Displacement=115-130,000 tons
16? guns: 21
18? guns: 16
20? guns: 12

Displacement=140,000+ tons
18? guns: 21
20? guns: 16


As you can see, it takes quite a bit of tonnage for those larger guns to be used in decent numbers, and that?s assuming that you don?t want to put too much else on the ships. Part of the reason the Iowas were able to be modified like they were was because they were towards the upper end of that weight class. If you want things like AEGIS systems and good ASW capabilities, you?re going to have to sacrifice some guns to get them.
For example, my own ship has long-barreled 16? guns, which are similar to 18? weapons in weight and space requirements. The ship could carry 12 of them easily, but only has 9. Instead, it has a large secondary armament, including guns and VLS, as well as an advanced fire control system, and has provisions for carrying up to 1000 troops and extensive supplies. If I were to equip it with the 3 additional guns that it could easily carry, I?d have to drop the fire control, VLS, and probably much of the secondary armament and storage as well, as there just wouldn?t be enough space.
Also, mixing it up is possible, with a 100,000 ton vessel having, say, 6 20? guns and 4 18? or 8 16?. However, keep in mind the relative amounts, and don?t try to go over, like with say, 3 20? and 9 18? guns. Remember, the amount of space is still finite, and just adding some slightly smaller guns does nothing to increase the amount of space available.

What about adding VLS? Well, for an upgraded WWII ship, or any that?s too closely based on one, that idea would be a no-go. Simply put, that flat space on the deck has things below it. This includes the magazines for the guns and the engine room. You don?t want to deny the ships those now do you? If you want to add VLS cells, you?re going need the internal space as well as the deck space. Consider that the 6.1? AGS for the DD(X) and DD-21 takes up enough internal space for a 64-cell VLS (hmm, that means that you could put only 8 on an Arsenal ship, and those guns aren't that big. Food for thought).



Copy and Paste from somewhere else

Oh, and armor an Iowa Class Battleship has 17-19 inches of armor.. so..

Nice copy and paste from Clan Smoke Jaguar's thing :wink:

I am limited by the pic here. So, I put on some really REALLY big guns, so that the reduced number is sorta made up for.

I think it works :?

I like to purchase one more Battleship. Our Leading Admiral loves how this ship performed. Please send us another one.

Money Wired upon delivery.

Defense Department

Order Confirmed

OOC: Goat fucker....only joking only joking :D

That's where it came from? *shrug* i copied and pasted it to a notepad file when I saw it 8)

Hehe.

Any more orders/comments :?:

Hehe.

Any more orders/comments :?:

I'll Take one More Battleship!

Money Upon Delivery!

The Holy Meritocratic Republic of Argyres would like to purchase 10 of these fine vessels, for a cost of $29 billion. Money will be wired automatically upon confirmation of the sale

Orders Confirmed, enjoy your ships.

ty My friend.

The money has been wired to your account. Pleasure doing business with you again.

Procurement Department of the Defense Department of Corneliu.

Wow, this over doubled in price ;) Two this time. $5.8 billion wired on confirmation.

The Nation of Verboten Lufftewaffe would like to purchase 4 of your excellent ships...with the emphasis on purchasing more in the future...

Total: $12Billion(Keep the Change)

Thanks guys. And for the change Luft :D

Sorry Zoogie, I got told about the price after you bought :(

Oh well, at least I got five of them at the original price while they lasted :)

The price still may fall, for mass production.

Austantopia will purchase six ships - please wire us the bill and confirmation of the order

Large order.

It is confirmed, the ships may take up to 2 years to reach you.

(We contantly have ships waiting in ready condition for order.)

17" of steel plating isn't going to stop any decent anti-ship missile these days. The Harpoon, Penguin, Sunburn and Exocet can all penetrate 17-19" armor with little difficulty. Furthermore, steel plating is much more dangerous and harder to fix than newer composites being used on some of the newer ships. If you have ever seen the results of an anti-ship missile you will know what I mean. Most of these missiles, if they don't rupture the integrity enough to cause the keel to snap with the loss of flank and dorsal support, blow huge chunks of the superstructure away. The majority of anti-shipping missiles will actually go straight through many small combattants.

Word of note, the Tomahawk is a cruise missile, not an anti-ship missile. It has enough punch to cornhole just about any ship in existence with its conventional warhead and a tactical nuclear warhead will, obviously, do much inteh way of vaporizing a significant portion of your vessel.

Against an incoming missile, your hope is not armor, but CIWS-type guns, radar/laser/GPS jammers etc. Other people have mentioned the price stuff and tonnage, so I won't go into that. Listen to Doujin, Crookfur and a few others to make your stuff better. Also, try submitting your stuff as a suggestion if you don't know much about it and then when it has been critiqued, make your changes.

If you notice, I have many CIWS systems.

Hell, the latest Element Class has laser anti Missile lasers. This is a retail version, though it still has all those CIWS system.