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Well, the engineers of the Zoogie People have a strange tendency to tweak all existing machinery. Noticing Silverlecim's modified F-16, and noticing our own arsenal of unmodified F-16C's...we have decided to upgrade and modify our 515 F-16s.

OOC:

I'm only tentatively posting some specifications and would like some comments on this. Perhaps I can produce several hundred and sell them? ... maybe.

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/annex/afti1.jpg

Single seat multi-role and air-combat figheter
Engine: updated version of the previous F110-GE-129 turbofan
Performance: Maximum speed Mach 2.5, service ceiling nearing 60,000 ft; combat radius 1100 km, Max cruise speed Mach 1.1
Armament: one M61A1 six-barrel cannon with 500 rounds
Hardpoints: Same as previous - wingtips, underwing, fuselage, center

Other notes: agility and airframe improved...various techniques such as coating used to reduce RCS by as much as 17%

Do you really want a reply. Fair nuff.
The F-16 is a last decade fighter, which cannot compare to the Eurofighter, F-22, F-35 JSF or even an F3 Tornado (its close). Its not going to sell against the super-uber sci-fi planes that people are dreaming up.
You'd be better buying new next generation aircraft. For air superiority, nothing beaths the Eurofighter. Why? The F-22 costs double, and stealth is no big deal - its not invisible to allied radar - it shows up clearly on Royal Navy Type 42 radar - look at the first Gulf War + the Eurofighter packs better weapons.

Seems realistic, that's good.

The F-16 is a cheap strike aircraft. It is not a dedicated air superiority craft.

I use the F-16XL as a strike aircraft, because of it's superior payload and supercruise capability.

It seems slow still but then again it is I like to keep an edge with the airforce by making planes super fast.

If you must go for an export option, go for the chinese FC-1/pakistani JF17, it's brand new, offers most (if not all) of the features of late model F16s, is slightly easier to maintain (being designed for operation by less well off/ educated forces) and above all costs about half the price. In my view a winning combiantion for the budget option which to be brutally honest is where an F16 upgrade would have to aim these days.

One thing i would suggest is suplmenting your force with some more capable air defense fighters with the already mentioned tornado ADV/F3 being a rather good option at the moment (now that it has full AMRAAM capability and you can always fluff up meteor integration).It can't out fly an F16 up close but it is a far far better missile platfrom also it has a rahter useful secondary role as being the best western SEAD fighter at the moment.

Typhoon is always an option and to be honest it doesn't cost much more than a tornado the only issues would be maintaining it (actually an interesting side to typhoon is the developer based maintainance system which while offering better value and efficency does pose some security issues, but since you already have the infrastructure to support over 500 F16s you could likely go for an internal option like the rest of NS).

Sorry just soem random whiterings...

If you must use the F16 at least look at soem different weapons loads with perhaps MICA aswell as or isntead of AMRAAM and possible the integration of air to ground systems such as Brimestone or european stand off platfroms (storm shadow and taurus).

I'm not really that well read on soviet stuff, but the EF-2000 is interesting as it still has so many systems still in development but there is the issue that many people now seem to assume that soviet new tech equals better of course this isn't helped by the largely unclear details available on russian stuff (ie while eurofighter has a 60page mini mag free with soem of the main aviation mags and mainline western fighters regularly getting big features eastern stuff is very rare).


I would hazard a geuss at Typhoon likely just holding the edge at the moment and if not then perhaps gaining it in tranches 2 and 3 (pre planned upgraded versions).
It is likely the best swing role fighter (meaning it can reconfigure its systems for different missions at the touch of a button) about, while it may not have the super duper thrust vectoring it is still wonderfully manouverable with possibly the best carefree handling system (meaning the pilot can push the airframe right to the edge but not over).


As for weapons i generally say dump the american gear and get cutting edge european/isrealli stuff

It just gets too much attention and everyone uses it, european stuff(especially british stuff when it works and comes in anywhere near on time) is far more fun.

Also europe tends to have a more measured approach to things with several provenly superior systems ie: Leopard 2A6, ALARM (has some redicolously massive higher sucess rate comapred to HARM), A124 foxhunter radar (has proevn more useful than the apparently more advanced AGP-63 and 65 systems).


Or you could always buy Crookfur stuff and get the best of all the worlds developements in one ;)

I have a webby
http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/


Currently i don't have much (ie any) of my main ordinace on sale, I tend to keep stuff to myself as it uses propreity interfaces etc (well those are the fluff reasons).



If you have specific requirements for ordinace ask and i'll see what i can dig out of my folder of word docs.

Anyone noticed the IDF?

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/idf.htm

The Taiwanese took a F-16...and and it better.

The Su-37 would kick their ass....it is the best non stealth aircaft int he world, closesly followed by the Eurofighter.

The Tornado is last generation too, you know. Its aging fast.

To be cutting edge, you need the best of all worlds. You should try a cheap version of the Su-37, that might work.

The MiG-29 is old, even in M. It cannot stand up to most modern fighters, even F-15's.

I, for example, use a mix of F-22 and F-14. I also use stelath CAS aircraft. But the bulk of my airfoce is made up of IDF's, which I upgraded into F/A-41 format.

Here's a link:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96418&highlight=

Dont mind the cargo :D

Zoogie, you have a nice looking jet fighter. Keep up the good work.
Many countries have different variants of certain jet fighters.
For example, the F-16 Falcon that the US Air Force uses is different from the model the Polish Air Force uses. Chile's Air Force uses some variant of a Block 60 F-16. Not all countries need the armaments or capabilities that American F-16's use. Another thing, the US will sell only certain varaints or fighter jets to certain countries as a way of making sure they do not become too powerful and turn against the United States.

Seems realistic, that's good.

The F-16 is a cheap strike aircraft. It is not a dedicated air superiority craft.

I use the F-16XL as a strike aircraft, because of it's superior payload and supercruise capability.

In this type of case, F-15s, F/A-18s, and even F-14s are much better than F-16s...

They all cost more than the F-16.

Most aircraft are better than the F-16. It, though, is cheap, reliable and can do many roles. So it is a good aircraft to make up the bulk of an airforce.

I took the IDF and upgraded it though. Its now somewhat BETTER than the Eurofighter.

The F-15 can usually.

The original IDF was a joint-US-Taiwan production, but it had only 18,000lbs of thrust and inferior avionics to the F-16. Taiwan only built a few hundred, opting instead to purchase F-16As when the US changed it's policies.

The Mig-29 Sniper (Romanian NATO upgraded) are superior to the F-15 technically. But with the USSR's Migs, they were in poor shape most of the time.

I knew that the IDF was a joint project with the US and Taiwan. It looked quite good, until they figured the engines out. :(

Still, when upgraded it's a great aircraft, in fact better than any living F-16.

The 2 engines also make it better for carriers and the like.

Still, I gtg, so I will speak to you guys later. Hope you take my views into account.

Considered something like the F-16I Sufa?
It's a variant of F-16D but was made for Israel.

Buy here
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107801&highlight=

Here, we discuss stuff that is better than any F-16 on the planet.

How about getting a few F-22's and modifying them or something-If I could afford them- i would give it a gattling cannon under the nose-and give it two standard machine guns on the wings and about 20 missiles on both wings

That would be godmodding my friend.

Besides, F-22's cost over $100 Million each. I'd rather buy 5 F-16's.

How about getting a few F-22's and modifying them or something-If I could afford them- i would give it a gattling cannon under the nose-and give it two standard machine guns on the wings and about 20 missiles on both wings

It would lose it's stealth.

The F-22 was originally some $58m per unit when the Pentagon wanted to purchase 750. But they were under pressure to cut costs, so they decided to only build some 339, with a unit cost of over $100m. In NS you could probably sell them for cheaper than that, citing mass production.

Still, its too expensive.