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Following the weeks since the assasination of the Minister of War, the government has activly been trying to find an replacement that will bring new innovation to the ANL military. That leader has been found, and his first act was to upgrade the majority of our airforce consisting entirely of base model MiG 21's. While over 100 of 200 planes have been upgraded by outside nations, the new minster wanted to create a new varient of the MiG 21 that the ANL could take pride in. The result was the MiG21 Eagle Warrior (MiG21EW). The specifications of this plane have been released to the international community for comments. This craft is specialy produced by an local ANL firm and is in no way sponsored or built by Mikoyan-Gurevich.

MiG21EW Specifications

EDITED SPECIFICATIONS
Primary role: Fighter/Interseptor
Crew: 1
Power plant: One TF404-220 (18,379 lbs thrust dry, 22,000 lbs thrust with afterburner)
Length: 51 ft, 8.5 in
Wingspan: 23 ft, 5.5 in
Height: 13 ft, 5.5 in
Weight (Empty): 12,882 lb
Weight (Fully loaded): 21,605 lb
Max Speed: Mach 2.1 (2175 km/h / 1,353 mph)
Ceiling: 50,000 ft
Range: 700 mi on internal fuel
Notilli Radome with englarged air intakes

Offensive armament: Dual 30 mm Talon MDW-30 Cannon with 150 rounds, 8 SS-RJ-90-AAM (Guided air to air missile), 2 NDJ-FFS Air to ground rockets (each pylon has been modified to carry two missiles)
2 Rocket packs carrying eight missiles

Defensive armament: TAAS/IMI Chaff and flare dispensers, ANL Electronic Countermeasures and advanced radar, 2 1/2 cm thick armor, advanced targeting computer.

Made of composite materials

Bomber varient has these weapons instead of missiles:
Smart weapons - Mouxuilti laser guided bomb (LGB), Devonshire LGB and OPHER - IR guided bomb
Dumb bombs and cluster bombs - Mk-82, Mk-83, FAB-100, FAB-250, FAB-500, BEM-100, CL-250

Price:
Without weapons:
$7,000,000
With weapons:
$9,000,000
Bomber varient:
$8,500,000

http://www.warbirdmuseum.com/History/MIG-21/mig21.jpg
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mig21/images/iai3.jpg


If the project is sucessful, this craft will be going into full scale production and can be purchased from us.

Bumpy, comrade!

The MiG 21-EW was an tremendous sucess in it's trial runs. The plane will recive an advanced sensor package, however to comphensate for an small defiency. 50 planes in the fleet will be upgraded to this standard and several more will be built. Soon, any nation wanting to buy an MiG21EW can (tomorrow.) In addition, the ANL will begin to look into and construct for both domestic and international use MiG 29's, MiG 27 and 25's.

Are you talking to yourself?

Are you talking to yourself?

First of all, no. Secondy, what's your point?

It is our understanding that the electronics suite has always been the MiG-21s downfall (The Commonwealth, unlike so many other once-poor communist states never flew the MiG-21, but did engage them once with great success during the Battle of Salvador), and that provided the Eagle Warrior is now capable of quickly and reliably identifying and engaging targets at range, it ought to be an effective enough weapon.

The Commonwealth congratulates the ANL on its decision to stand on its own two feet in the defence of its progressive people.

-CC comrade N.Kezo.

We would recomend re-engining them and changing the nose to incorporate a larger radome, with intakes on the sides. Also, perhaps a canard/delta wing might be superior on a modernized MiG 21. Also maybe replace the body with composite materials to reduce radar cross section, these are after all new build airframes right?

We nominate the TF404-220 22 000lbs thrust turbofan that many of our aircraft use for this job. It has proven itself to be low maintainence, with high fuel efficency and good overall characteristics.

OOC: All of these have been incorporated in versions of the MiG 21, except the engine, but there have been J79, R33 and F404 Fishbeds.

The Al Khali Air Force operates some 48 MiG21bis, and (though in certainly no great hurry) is considering further upgrade or suppliment of these.

As such Al Khals is making note of this news, and awaiting Aztec response to the Soviet suggestions.

(OOC:I just like the idea of having original NS but recognisable RL aircraft in service, if that makes sense.. like our Khali Phantoms, for example.)

The Al Khali Air Force operates some 48 MiG21bis, and (though in certainly no great hurry) is considering further upgrade or suppliment of these.

As such Al Khals is making note of this news, and awaiting Aztec response to the Soviet suggestions.

(OOC:I just like the idea of having original NS but recognisable RL aircraft in service, if that makes sense.. like our Khali Phantoms, for example.)

We can upgrade them for you. Contact Klimov Design Bureau OKB for details.

OOC: A Haaregradian company that licences MAPO-MiG and Kamov designs.

To Al Khals: While we will respect our Soviet comrades, however, if you want, we too can upgrade your MiGs. How about Soviet Haaregrad upgrades half while we upgrade the other half.

To Soviet Haaregrad and Beth Gellert, I thank you for your responses and I have taken your suggestions into consideration. We have only begun upgrading our MiGs and we are in the process of adding the new engine and new radome. Like what SH said, we are using composite materials on the new airframes (there are about 50 planes that are not new.) Although the Delta wing consept is good, we will incorporate that idea on an later varient, the MiG 21-EW/A. Our designers have been able to overcome the electronics deficencies in the older MiG and is able to pick out and engaging targets quuickly and reliably.

The model will be going on sail today.

The specs look cool, but heh, I just can't imagine a MiG-21 dropping laser guided bombs and flying Mach 2 ;)

I thought that too, but the Israeli/Romanian Lancer R varient can.

We prefer our Mig-21 variant :P Actually it's a space fighter modelled after the Mig 21 airframe, but I still like it because I made the pic myself :P

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ccf7.jpg
CCF-7 "Senine" Aero/space Attacker

Length: 20 meters
Crew: 1 person, 1 central AI
Powerplant: Chlorophusion control chamber
FTL Drives: none
Air Speed: Mach 0-5, airframe can hold up to Mach 27.
Max Space Accelleration: 100m/s/s
Inertial nullifiers: Yes
Docking Capabilities: Can dock to a larger ship
Weapons: 2 Repeating Plasma-Bolt cannons (1 on each wingtip), 12 hardpoints (3 on top and bottom of each wing) that can hold packs of 9 mini-missiles for massive missile swarms.
Defenses: A thick armor, made from triton-mined alloys, and a Xanthal Type III shield.
Atmosphere Capable: Yes. Landing Capable: yes
Price: 45 million

I'd be more than happy to let you use that model for a pic of your new plane... I'd obviously put it in atmosphere :P

That top photo is a simple Polish MiG-21bis, but the cockpit is the Romanian/Israeli Lancer upgrade. There is an alternative real-world upgrade package offered by MiG itself called "21-93" that offers the MiG-29's radar and capability for antiship missiles.

I've always been a fan of the Fishbed and it's great to see it getting some props.

I would like to pay you one million to produce the Migs for myself instead of purchasing one by one.

Only a million for how many MiGs?

I would like to pay you one million to produce the Migs for myself instead of purchasing one by one.No idiot would fall for that. 1 million is just about the profit he would make on 1 plane, let alone 500-1000.

ANL- I suggest you ask him for somewhere near a billion, or at least half a billion ;)

Possibly a royalty?

A very nice upgrade for the MiG-21, a "budget" fighter that still has some potental in reserve force even in the beginning of the 1st century when needed. While the Omzian Air National Guard has retired the Omzian MiG-21LMO variant due to lack of spare parts and complex maintance since the retirement of the MiG-21 line from the Omzian OMASC company, it has showed generally good performance in previous wars, even against newer generation fighters like the fourth generation F-16A when added with better electronics.

As Soviet Haaregrad has suggested, it would be the best if the nose air intake is changed. However, we found it better to have the intake at the bottom, rather on the sides. With much better electronics and power sources (pulse dopplar radar, better EO systems, better RWR, cockpit systems including Helmet-Mounted Sight, glass cockpit, powerful and efficent engines, etc.), coupled with some multirole and modern air-to-air capabilities, the MiG-21 could be entering the BVR arena of the 21st century.

Salutations once again.

The Air Force maintains its interest in upgrading the MiG-21bis fleet, and of course has one eye on the future, and expansion.

As such it is hoped to award the contract for upgrade of the 48 existing MiG-21bis interceptors to either Klimov Design Bureau or to an Aztec firm, and to award future order for a more heavily modified MiG-21 variant to the other, in the interests of creating as many positivie ties as is possible.

The Defence Ministry understands that its modest potential contracts are unlikely to receive top priority, but is itself in no teriffic hurry.

*tag*

Salutations once again.

The Air Force maintains its interest in upgrading the MiG-21bis fleet, and of course has one eye on the future, and expansion.

As such it is hoped to award the contract for upgrade of the 48 existing MiG-21bis interceptors to either Klimov Design Bureau or to an Aztec firm, and to award future order for a more heavily modified MiG-21 variant to the other, in the interests of creating as many positivie ties as is possible.

The Defence Ministry understands that its modest potential contracts are unlikely to receive top priority, but is itself in no teriffic hurry.

Klimov currently isn't producing much these days, just designing and working on two 5th generation prototypes. They will gladly upgrade your fighters.

However, we are producing aircrafts at full speed. We will let Kilmov do all the upgrading and we will produce as many MiG 21-EWs as you may want or need. We also produce other MiGs: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2433325#2433325

I hope this plan seems good.

As Soviet Haaregrad has suggested, it would be the best if the nose air intake is changed. However, we found it better to have the intake at the bottom, rather on the sides.

Klimov actually has several designs for an improved MiG 21, some with sides, some with bottom and a very interesting one with a top intake.

We've also got several wing varients on them, I'll put pictures up soon.

Can I suggest my systems?

The systems on this aircraft are top of the range. The computers are liquid cooled as standard, and allow for the simultanious tracking of 200 aircraft, but is not capable of tracking groudn vehicles due to the lack of undernose pod. JTDS from the F/A-41 and A-15 is used, to greater effect, as it almost controls all communication between base, other aircraft and any other frequencies.

The supercomputer also runs Fly-By-Optics, which use several computers to decide what to do. Fuel shifting for equal balance, thrust distribution and weapon safe-firing are handled from here, with little work needed from the pilot. Engine economy is also controlled, and Air to Air refueling has been reorganised for autopilot. The autopilot system (as used on the F/A-41 'Snake (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96418&highlight=)) for carrier landings is used, meaning easy training of pilots.

A supercomputer is used, more powerful than anythign loaded into a fighter plane until now (at least more powerful than all RL fighter planes), and allows for complex applications such as Fly by Optics and JTDS. The radar used is a long range (140nm for an F-16), wide sight radar, used for tracking aerial targets. It can relay many targets positions at once to the computer, as many as the computer can handle. This means irst sight, first shot.

You could make the worlds most advanced MiG-21

Can I suggest my systems?

The systems on this aircraft are top of the range. The computers are liquid cooled as standard, and allow for the simultanious tracking of 200 aircraft, but is not capable of tracking groudn vehicles due to the lack of undernose pod. JTDS from the F/A-41 and A-15 is used, to greater effect, as it almost controls all communication between base, other aircraft and any other frequencies.

The supercomputer also runs Fly-By-Optics, which use several computers to decide what to do. Fuel shifting for equal balance, thrust distribution and weapon safe-firing are handled from here, with little work needed from the pilot. Engine economy is also controlled, and Air to Air refueling has been reorganised for autopilot. The autopilot system (as used on the F/A-41 'Snake (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96418&highlight=)) for carrier landings is used, meaning easy training of pilots.

A supercomputer is used, more powerful than anythign loaded into a fighter plane until now (at least more powerful than all RL fighter planes), and allows for complex applications such as Fly by Optics and JTDS. The radar used is a long range (140nm for an F-16), wide sight radar, used for tracking aerial targets. It can relay many targets positions at once to the computer, as many as the computer can handle. This means irst sight, first shot.

You could make the worlds most advanced MiG-21

It seems like an great system. I'll have to implement it on all the MiGs my nation produces, if that is alright with you.

The systems were 2 Million per plane last time I looked.

We could implement them for you, or prod rights can be sold for something like 500 Million.

At this time Al Khals is producing her own F-4 Phantom alongside the MiG-23, filling ground-attack roles, and the MiG-25 in small numbers as a reconnaissance aircraft. At this time there are no plans for addition of new aircraft beyond possible MiG-21 variations.

It is hoped that any new MiG-21s acquired will possess capabilities beyond that of any rebuild on an existing airframe such as the 48 in service today. As such Via'di'arl (the Al Khali capital) is leaning towards acquisition of a quantity of a Haaregradian design which it believes are likely to be better adapted to advanced avionics in light of their more severe modification.

Al Khals will be watching for Haaregradian announcements with keen interest, and presently hopes to acquire 24 new build aircraft, with more likely some years down the line.

It appears to Via'di'arl that in light of relatively ordinary layout of the Eagle Warrior it ought to be a version more easily attained by modification of existing airframes than would be the utterly changed Soviet examples.

..Of course we could be wrong.

It appears to Via'di'arl that in light of relatively ordinary layout of the Eagle Warrior it ought to be a version more easily attained by modification of existing airframes than would be the utterly changed Soviet examples.

..Of course we could be wrong.

You are correct. Structurally, there is very little difference between the Eagle Warrior varient and the orginal MiG 21 - our varient has an better radome and intake system than the original and to complement more weapons, has two more pylons. While existing MiG 21s can be upgraded to those specifications, new planes of the Eagle Warrior type can be built.

However, new planes are built out of composite materials while older planes that recive the upgrade can not be refited in that manner.

Most interesting. Essentially then, if Al Khals' MiG-21bis were to be upgraded by ANL firms they should constitue yet another new model. An Al Khalis Eagle Warrior, so to speak, superior to the original configuration but arguably a step behind their Aztec cousins.

After some consideration of this state of affairs, the Air Force and the Defence Ministry have come to an agreement. Al Khals should like to have its 48 Mig-21s upgraded in the Aztec manner, with new radar, additional pylons, and modified air intake. If it comes to fruition, the resulting aircraft will re-enter Al Khali Air Force service as the MiG-21-EW/K, or Al Khali Eagle Warrior.

Ideally the aircraft would be withdrawn and modified eight at a time, so as to avoid seriously denting the nation's air defence capacity during the upgrade, should it be agreeable to the ANL.

There after the Air Force will begin looking into long term acquisition programmes for new-build aircraft, likely of Haaregradian origin.

So what do you want?

Are you using my computer systems or not?

Alright, Alright, I admit it. I am a chepo. But I just spent twenty million on small arms so what to expect from a struggling economy? ANL you got any other Soviet aircraft that are not Migs?

Midlonia whises to purchse 3 Mig-21's with weapons, the money is already wired and will be transffered when the order has been confirmed

So what do you want?

Are you using my computer systems or not?

My appologies for not getting to you eariler. If it is still possible, can we purchase the production rights for this system? If so we will wire the 500 milion. If you confirm this, the money will be automatically wired to your nation (OOC: In about an hour, 12 pm pacific coast time, I'll be heading out of town)

Back to IC:
Most interesting. Essentially then, if Al Khals' MiG-21bis were to be upgraded by ANL firms they should constitue yet another new model. An Al Khalis Eagle Warrior, so to speak, superior to the original configuration but arguably a step behind their Aztec cousins.

After some consideration of this state of affairs, the Air Force and the Defence Ministry have come to an agreement. Al Khals should like to have its 48 Mig-21s upgraded in the Aztec manner, with new radar, additional pylons, and modified air intake. If it comes to fruition, the resulting aircraft will re-enter Al Khali Air Force service as the MiG-21-EW/K, or Al Khali Eagle Warrior.

Ideally the aircraft would be withdrawn and modified eight at a time, so as to avoid seriously denting the nation's air defence capacity during the upgrade, should it be agreeable to the ANL.

There after the Air Force will begin looking into long term acquisition programmes for new-build aircraft, likely of Haaregradian origin.

This is an acceptable plan. Our Devonshire Aviation Corporation, which is contracted to do all of our MiGs, will carry out the refit. As you wanted, we will do 8 planes at an time. Since upgrading will most definatly be more cost effective than purchacing an new plane all together, the overall price will be less. How does 4.5 million a plane sound? Too high or too low? Also, we can either refit the planes in ANL territory or send workers of the firm to your nation to refit the planes there.

Alright, Alright, I admit it. I am a chepo. But I just spent twenty million on small arms so what to expect from a struggling economy? ANL you got any other Soviet aircraft that are not Migs?

I am sorry, at this time, the ANL does not produce any other types of aircrafts, however, I will soon add helicopters and other aircrafts to my storefront.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2433325#2433325. Please check this out later or I will notify you via telegram. I understand being an cheapo, we have had an struggling economy before and in all honestly, we are still not at level where I think the economy can be.

Midlonia whises to purchse 3 Mig-21's with weapons, the money is already wired and will be transffered when the order has been confirmed

Thank you for your buisness, the order is confirmed and the planes are on the way via ocean frieghter.

-Dr. Darius Wellington
Minister of Foreign Affairs

The Order has been confirmed.

We send you all the plans, three working examples of each and our gratitude.

May we have the prod rights and plans to the MiG-21EW?

Bump 1, Bump 2

The Order has been confirmed.

May we have the prod rights and plans to the MiG-21EW?

Since you have given the prod rights to your computers, it is only right to reciprocate the gesture. You name the price.

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My little fighter could run rings round ya sh**y plane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on.

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Cool smilie.

Bad post.

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My little fighter could run rings round ya sh**y plane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on.

But my AA-11 Archer missile can run rings around it... Not to mention I've never seen an X-Wing do a cobra(where the plane flips over in forward flight like the Su 37 can). I'll take yah.

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My little fighter could run rings round ya sh**y plane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on.

But my AA-11 Archer missile can run rings around it... Not to mention I've never seen an X-Wing do a cobra(where the plane flips over in forward flight like the Su 37 can). I'll take yah.
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*scrambles 4 squadrons of TIE Interceptors*

Remember, the Empire used conscripts to fly their fighters, my TIE pilots are some of the best Strategic Air Command has.

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*scrambles 4 squadrons of TIE Interceptors*

Remember, the Empire used conscripts to fly their fighters, my TIE pilots are some of the best Strategic Air Command has.

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The whole of Kyzar does say in one unified voice:
We of Kyzar to hope that yours are a people dedicated to peace and prosperity. The reason for our hopes is that, you for whatever reason, have chosen to show the exact capabilities of your weapons of National Defense. Think of the joy your enemies must feel knowing just what you can do. Perhaps, this is your strategy to show them how mighty you are, we hope it is. In any event, we offer our sympathies to your people and the family of your late Minister of War.

Minraf Ansallo, Undersecritary of War.

If the upgrades can indeed be carried out in Al Khals, which would be significantly more convenient for the republic, we shall be satisfied to pay the stated price.

We shall even agree not to attack anyone's eyes with insane smilies!