23-12-2003, 00:57
OOC:
Alright, here we go. Need to keep all the different thatres in different threads. The below was taken from the "Tor Yvresse Assaults Hellespontos" thread:
Okay gang (Auman, Tor, Tannelorn), I think I've sorted out the whole orbital battle thing.
Tor Yvresse initiated the battle by moving his fleets into position for strikes at the Hellespontos Wall. His starfleet consists of:
Four Fleets in total are gathering to strike at Mars. The Asuryan Fleet, and the Three Khaines Fleets. Each Fleet is Thirty Vessels in size, and carrys four Hundred Fighters. Meaning when I deploy I will be deploying 120 Capital ships of various sizes, and 1600 Fighters.
This was Auman's response:
Repaired and refitted the Auman fleet burst back into real space some 200 km's off target, out for blood they began firing upon the Tor Yvresse fleet.
The Carrier fleets stayed to the rear of a well deployed formation, launching fighter borrowed from the flight bays of Freehold station to launch deadly anti-ship sorties against the Eldar fleet.
Battleships and their accompanying frigates, doing what they do best. Launched an all out assault on the visible Eldar fleet assets, pounding them with High energy weapons and Mass drivers.
Vascilian Ground Defences were also pouring a continous stream of firing into the orbitting Tor Yvresse ships. High Energy Weapons and numerous light Anti-Ship Missiles amongst them, impacted the low lying fleet as they attempted to strike at Vascilian assets.
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NUMBERS:
3 Battleship groups
1 Carrier Battle group
3 Indirect Fire battle groups(Missile frigates, cruisers etc.)
1 Dreadnought Battle Group
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Battleship group; 300 ships; 2 Battle ships, 8 Heavy Cruisers, 20 Cruisers, 30 Destroyers, 240 Frigates(Cardboard)
Carrier Battle Group; 200 Ships; 1 Super Carrier, 9 Heavy Missile Cruisers, 20 Missile Cruisers, 30 Destroyers, 140 Frigates.
Dreadnought Battle Group; 300 ships; 1 Super Dreadnought(Zambneal), 9 Heavy Cruisers, 20 Cruisers, 30 Destroyers, 140 Frigates.
Indirect Fire Battle Group; 100 ships; 100 Missile Frigates.
Total: 1700 ships, Mostly Cardboard frigates but also made up of the old AF Fleet which form the core of its good space ships...300 were destroyed in the first naval engagement.
THIS was the easy-to-miss Yvressan counter:
In space the forces of Tor Yvresse raced against their foes, each Fleet picked a different point to strike at their foes, Working as a group
I get from that that they were working in their old Packs. Flitting around all over the place, hitting single ships with everything they have before quickly dodging away to come back & attack another one.
So this post by Auman:
Fleet Commander Chelazk grew suspicious of the Eldar fleet, no matter how much fire they put into the fleet they would neither die or take heed. "Holograms..." Chelazk checked the fleet sensors and not to his surprise the real enemy fleet had appeared, totally circumventing the defenses. As the raiders began their sling shot move away from the planet Chelazk hastily typed in fleet orders and relayed them. Seconds afterward the fleet had engaged Supraluminous Drives, dropping themselves roughly 200,000 km of the enemies position. Taking moments to reorient themselves and aquire their targets the fleet opened fire.
Isn't really valid. We can fix this, however, by saying that Chelzak was simply WRONG. The fleet sensors had been confused by the holofields that make Eldar ships so stealthy, & to Aumanii technicians it appears as though said ships are actually holograms.
So the Aumanii fleet does exactly like it says in your post, making a microjump to catch Sauron's fleet & engage it, BUT you should post losses for vessels picked off by the very real Eldar packs that would have taken advantage of your moving to disengage & thinking them non-existant.
Tannelorn, I have discovered, never actually attacked the Eldar fleets, instead most of its fleet entered low orbit to pound the Yvressans on the ground & the remainder of their ships held position.
However:
justt to let you know their are still 350 ships in the Tannelorn fleet.
350 cruiser total, 250 Carrier 3 command ship...
So those 350 vessels (which out of the above roster would include what? If Tannelorn would provide me with a fleet composition...?) could still have moved to attack me, as in your post:
the First Wave of Morgenraete Fighters hit the enemy fleet at incredible speed [mach 25 at least] the majourity of them targeted the Enemy fighers while the bomber variants with their deadly rapid Fire X-ray projectors closed on the enemy ships [same idea as Ingelstung and Genesis much smaller] Missiles streaked by the thousand from the attacking craft, Maser and Particle beam fire raking the enemy fighter craft and Point defense systems.
Some morgenreates could be seen "skating" across the hulls of Capital ships, moving with a speed and maneuverability unparralelled by "natural" human's blasting Enemy Weapon systems or ripping great gouges in the enemy hulls with their X ray projectors, here and there Morgenreates blossomed in to flame as they were hit by enemy anti aircraft, or were unlucky enough to be struck by fighter craft.....then the Second Wave of fighters hit preceded by Loengren Fire from the Cruisers whom had turned from the orbital Bombardment to destroy the enemy ships who had dared strike at Hellespontos.
ooc Grand total fighters close to 8000, still well over 5000 in reserve
50x400=20000 grand total 200 carriers in fleet...the "morgenreates are also a staple of the Army and are used as the foot troops of PLANT the space colonies, as well as the Naval Troopers....after all in WW2 the American air force was almost 80 000 craft canadian was almost 20 000 and british was around the same.
Total Casualties are arond 100 morgenreates due to the high speed lightning strike. and the Rapid support of the Ships...Tannelorn is a Carrier fleet remember that, and its damage is done by pinning the enemy with fighters, gaining superiority and picking the ships off at their leisure, and extreme range...and we use formations designed to facilitate that.
There are some things wrong with that post anyway, though. For example-
.....then the Second Wave of fighters hit preceded by Loengren Fire from the Cruisers whom had turned from the orbital Bombardment to destroy the enemy ships who had dared strike at Hellespontos.
Dosen't really work, because the 250 ships in low orbit engaging in the orbital bombardment are too far away- my ships are no longer even in Martian space.
Plus the fact that you have your fighters engaging & getting in amongst my ships IMMEDIATELY dosen't give me much room for response.
We can make this all work too, though, by saying that the 350 ships that were still doing nothing were the ones that attacked, which works well enough, & by simply taking some of the stuff out of your post to give me a chance to actually do something.
So, having worked all that out, the space battle works out as follows:
Lord Sauron's 3rd Fleet makes a microjump from its position in Jovian space practically straight into high orbit over Mars, engines blazing. A number of limpet pods detach from their hulls at pre-programmed distances as they streak by, to initiate a THOR-type strike against Vascilian & allied forces at the Hellespontos Wall. The fleet sligshots away from the planet, breaking orbit quickly, & begins to gradually begins to form up as its momentum peters out.
The Aumanii, having had little luck pinning down the Yvressans in space, see this new threat & grow immediately suspicious. Having to move quickly or risk the escape of Hellespontos' attackers, Admiral Chelzak orders a sensor scan of the Craftworlder's ships. Duped by the Eldar vessels' sophisticated holofields, the sensors "reveal" the Eldar ships to be holograms. Not having had much time to look into this discovery & thinking on his feet, Chelzak immediately orders that the fleet make a jump to catch up to the Dark Lord's craft- the Eldar fleets just an elaborate ruse.
As the Aumanii ships move to disengage from battle & line up for FTL, however, they find themselves set upon by the "fake" Eldar ships, a number of them being picked off by the Yvressan packs just before they jump, ending up 200,000 km off the 3rd Fleet's position, thoroughly disoriented but still managing to get some target locks on the Ardan vessels commence firing.
The 350 unengaged Tannelornian ships, meanwhile, immediately begin chasing after Sauron's fleet, a wave of fighters being launched to make an attack run against it whilst the larger vessels are moving to catch up. Tannelornian cruisers ready their missile bays in preparation for a second strike against the Ardans when they get into the engagement zone.
If everyone's fine with that, all we need it for Auman to post some moderate losses & Tannelorn to post a roster for the 350 ships moving to engage me. I'll set up a new topic for the space battle.
Are we all agreed?
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Sauron the Deceiver
Lord of Abomination
http://www.theargonath.cc/characters/sauron/pictures/sauron2.jpg
~Dark Lord of Mordor, First Among Maiar, Lieutenant of Morgoth~
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Alright, here we go. Need to keep all the different thatres in different threads. The below was taken from the "Tor Yvresse Assaults Hellespontos" thread:
Okay gang (Auman, Tor, Tannelorn), I think I've sorted out the whole orbital battle thing.
Tor Yvresse initiated the battle by moving his fleets into position for strikes at the Hellespontos Wall. His starfleet consists of:
Four Fleets in total are gathering to strike at Mars. The Asuryan Fleet, and the Three Khaines Fleets. Each Fleet is Thirty Vessels in size, and carrys four Hundred Fighters. Meaning when I deploy I will be deploying 120 Capital ships of various sizes, and 1600 Fighters.
This was Auman's response:
Repaired and refitted the Auman fleet burst back into real space some 200 km's off target, out for blood they began firing upon the Tor Yvresse fleet.
The Carrier fleets stayed to the rear of a well deployed formation, launching fighter borrowed from the flight bays of Freehold station to launch deadly anti-ship sorties against the Eldar fleet.
Battleships and their accompanying frigates, doing what they do best. Launched an all out assault on the visible Eldar fleet assets, pounding them with High energy weapons and Mass drivers.
Vascilian Ground Defences were also pouring a continous stream of firing into the orbitting Tor Yvresse ships. High Energy Weapons and numerous light Anti-Ship Missiles amongst them, impacted the low lying fleet as they attempted to strike at Vascilian assets.
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NUMBERS:
3 Battleship groups
1 Carrier Battle group
3 Indirect Fire battle groups(Missile frigates, cruisers etc.)
1 Dreadnought Battle Group
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Battleship group; 300 ships; 2 Battle ships, 8 Heavy Cruisers, 20 Cruisers, 30 Destroyers, 240 Frigates(Cardboard)
Carrier Battle Group; 200 Ships; 1 Super Carrier, 9 Heavy Missile Cruisers, 20 Missile Cruisers, 30 Destroyers, 140 Frigates.
Dreadnought Battle Group; 300 ships; 1 Super Dreadnought(Zambneal), 9 Heavy Cruisers, 20 Cruisers, 30 Destroyers, 140 Frigates.
Indirect Fire Battle Group; 100 ships; 100 Missile Frigates.
Total: 1700 ships, Mostly Cardboard frigates but also made up of the old AF Fleet which form the core of its good space ships...300 were destroyed in the first naval engagement.
THIS was the easy-to-miss Yvressan counter:
In space the forces of Tor Yvresse raced against their foes, each Fleet picked a different point to strike at their foes, Working as a group
I get from that that they were working in their old Packs. Flitting around all over the place, hitting single ships with everything they have before quickly dodging away to come back & attack another one.
So this post by Auman:
Fleet Commander Chelazk grew suspicious of the Eldar fleet, no matter how much fire they put into the fleet they would neither die or take heed. "Holograms..." Chelazk checked the fleet sensors and not to his surprise the real enemy fleet had appeared, totally circumventing the defenses. As the raiders began their sling shot move away from the planet Chelazk hastily typed in fleet orders and relayed them. Seconds afterward the fleet had engaged Supraluminous Drives, dropping themselves roughly 200,000 km of the enemies position. Taking moments to reorient themselves and aquire their targets the fleet opened fire.
Isn't really valid. We can fix this, however, by saying that Chelzak was simply WRONG. The fleet sensors had been confused by the holofields that make Eldar ships so stealthy, & to Aumanii technicians it appears as though said ships are actually holograms.
So the Aumanii fleet does exactly like it says in your post, making a microjump to catch Sauron's fleet & engage it, BUT you should post losses for vessels picked off by the very real Eldar packs that would have taken advantage of your moving to disengage & thinking them non-existant.
Tannelorn, I have discovered, never actually attacked the Eldar fleets, instead most of its fleet entered low orbit to pound the Yvressans on the ground & the remainder of their ships held position.
However:
justt to let you know their are still 350 ships in the Tannelorn fleet.
350 cruiser total, 250 Carrier 3 command ship...
So those 350 vessels (which out of the above roster would include what? If Tannelorn would provide me with a fleet composition...?) could still have moved to attack me, as in your post:
the First Wave of Morgenraete Fighters hit the enemy fleet at incredible speed [mach 25 at least] the majourity of them targeted the Enemy fighers while the bomber variants with their deadly rapid Fire X-ray projectors closed on the enemy ships [same idea as Ingelstung and Genesis much smaller] Missiles streaked by the thousand from the attacking craft, Maser and Particle beam fire raking the enemy fighter craft and Point defense systems.
Some morgenreates could be seen "skating" across the hulls of Capital ships, moving with a speed and maneuverability unparralelled by "natural" human's blasting Enemy Weapon systems or ripping great gouges in the enemy hulls with their X ray projectors, here and there Morgenreates blossomed in to flame as they were hit by enemy anti aircraft, or were unlucky enough to be struck by fighter craft.....then the Second Wave of fighters hit preceded by Loengren Fire from the Cruisers whom had turned from the orbital Bombardment to destroy the enemy ships who had dared strike at Hellespontos.
ooc Grand total fighters close to 8000, still well over 5000 in reserve
50x400=20000 grand total 200 carriers in fleet...the "morgenreates are also a staple of the Army and are used as the foot troops of PLANT the space colonies, as well as the Naval Troopers....after all in WW2 the American air force was almost 80 000 craft canadian was almost 20 000 and british was around the same.
Total Casualties are arond 100 morgenreates due to the high speed lightning strike. and the Rapid support of the Ships...Tannelorn is a Carrier fleet remember that, and its damage is done by pinning the enemy with fighters, gaining superiority and picking the ships off at their leisure, and extreme range...and we use formations designed to facilitate that.
There are some things wrong with that post anyway, though. For example-
.....then the Second Wave of fighters hit preceded by Loengren Fire from the Cruisers whom had turned from the orbital Bombardment to destroy the enemy ships who had dared strike at Hellespontos.
Dosen't really work, because the 250 ships in low orbit engaging in the orbital bombardment are too far away- my ships are no longer even in Martian space.
Plus the fact that you have your fighters engaging & getting in amongst my ships IMMEDIATELY dosen't give me much room for response.
We can make this all work too, though, by saying that the 350 ships that were still doing nothing were the ones that attacked, which works well enough, & by simply taking some of the stuff out of your post to give me a chance to actually do something.
So, having worked all that out, the space battle works out as follows:
Lord Sauron's 3rd Fleet makes a microjump from its position in Jovian space practically straight into high orbit over Mars, engines blazing. A number of limpet pods detach from their hulls at pre-programmed distances as they streak by, to initiate a THOR-type strike against Vascilian & allied forces at the Hellespontos Wall. The fleet sligshots away from the planet, breaking orbit quickly, & begins to gradually begins to form up as its momentum peters out.
The Aumanii, having had little luck pinning down the Yvressans in space, see this new threat & grow immediately suspicious. Having to move quickly or risk the escape of Hellespontos' attackers, Admiral Chelzak orders a sensor scan of the Craftworlder's ships. Duped by the Eldar vessels' sophisticated holofields, the sensors "reveal" the Eldar ships to be holograms. Not having had much time to look into this discovery & thinking on his feet, Chelzak immediately orders that the fleet make a jump to catch up to the Dark Lord's craft- the Eldar fleets just an elaborate ruse.
As the Aumanii ships move to disengage from battle & line up for FTL, however, they find themselves set upon by the "fake" Eldar ships, a number of them being picked off by the Yvressan packs just before they jump, ending up 200,000 km off the 3rd Fleet's position, thoroughly disoriented but still managing to get some target locks on the Ardan vessels commence firing.
The 350 unengaged Tannelornian ships, meanwhile, immediately begin chasing after Sauron's fleet, a wave of fighters being launched to make an attack run against it whilst the larger vessels are moving to catch up. Tannelornian cruisers ready their missile bays in preparation for a second strike against the Ardans when they get into the engagement zone.
If everyone's fine with that, all we need it for Auman to post some moderate losses & Tannelorn to post a roster for the 350 ships moving to engage me. I'll set up a new topic for the space battle.
Are we all agreed?
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Sauron the Deceiver
Lord of Abomination
http://www.theargonath.cc/characters/sauron/pictures/sauron2.jpg
~Dark Lord of Mordor, First Among Maiar, Lieutenant of Morgoth~
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