The Giving of Nuclear Weapons To New Countries
The Government of the Neues Reichs Alliance (Dormie, Sude Reich, Kalireich, Prussia Reich) has decided to donate 150 nuclear warheads the use in defense only. They are ICBM's and with modified rockets and fuels they have a 11,000mile range and upon detonation affect and area or 50 miles with a 10 square mile destruction radius.
How old are all these nations? If they're as old as you, then you don't HAVE nukes to begin with.
And, if you give nukes to anyone under two months, you will be ignored.
Super American VX Man
22-12-2003, 08:56
I believe he's resurrected. Check his population.
My country is reesurected, and your saying if i give nukes to my ally who is several days old i shall be ignored?
Mmhm. Alright. But I'll still fire up the Ignore cannon if they give nuclear weapons to any nation under 2 months old, or biological/chemical weapons to any nation under 1 month old.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. New nations aren't allowed to have nukes, given or bought.
Archaic Slang Words
22-12-2003, 08:59
Mmhm. Alright. But I'll still fire up the Ignore cannon if they give nuclear weapons to any nation under 2 months old, or biological/chemical weapons to any nation under 1 month old.
1 month old and I already am working on my Bio stock! And there's some regional research going towards an augmented nuclear warhead expected to be out in 2 and a half weeks... think I could slide at 1 1/2 months with nukes and not get ignored?
Autonomous City-states
22-12-2003, 09:00
Mmhm. Alright. But I'll still fire up the Ignore cannon if they give nuclear weapons to any nation under 2 months old, or biological/chemical weapons to any nation under 1 month old.
1 month old and I already am working on my Bio stock! And there's some regional research going towards an augmented nuclear warhead expected to be out in 2 and a half weeks... think I could slide at 1 1/2 months with nukes and not get ignored?
It takes years, if not decades, to successfully develop such weapons.
You bio weapons are fine, and you might get away with 1 1/2. But can't you wait 15 more RL days and have no chance of being ignored?
Doujin is interested. Our nation wants to be able to have a defense against nuclear strike - mutually assured destruction.
OOC: Pwnica, grow up - I base all my dealings here by population and their economy.. as it's more realistic - not the date they started. If they seem to have their stuff down pat, I go ahead with them(doing whatever..)
A Few Rich People
22-12-2003, 09:01
Develope safely w/o risk of destroying towns.
(or not destroying towns to test them)
Fine, ill just support his nuclear program, and after about a month ill give him spent nuclear rods and maybe some blueprints.
Doujin:
Population is directly proportional to when they started (unless they're ressurected).
When do you start selling nuclear weapons, at how much population? (Let's leave economy aside for a moment)
I would never sell a weapon of WMD. What I do, is if they know whats going on, even if there a week or so old, I go by there economy and population - and pretend that they existed before.
Okay.
I don't care about starting date pretty much either, except WMDs. 15 million nation having nuclear, biological or chemical weapons is absurd.
well i gave 3000 MIRVs to SS Oberon-Armacor, as it is my subnation (a large space station, that has become independant), and i dont expect to be ignored in any dealings i undertake. (I also gave them control of the 9th 10th and 31st Army Groups, so about 120,000 Armored Vehicles and 180,000 Infantry)
NS world.
Population in the NS world grows much faster then the real world.
And, uh, you have NO proof that we have nukes! NO PROOF!
:x
:roll:
Tomorrow Doujnshi Corporation is going to formally announce it's nuclear weapon program.
*Shrugs*
Announce, whatever. You won't be able to use those nukes in any situation as far as I'm concerned.
Sure I will. It isn't like I won't have a finished product in one day, and I will be backed by more than one big nation.. more than one nuclear power. Need I point you in the direction of Israel and the US? Mutually Assured Destruction is all I'm looking for. I wan't my possible enemies to know that if the launch a nuclear attack against me, then I will against them - that we would both be destroyed.
Austar Union
22-12-2003, 09:47
The Republic of Austar Union and its colonies formally opposes the profiliation of nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction to nations which do not have a known track record in the international community
Roycelandia
22-12-2003, 09:47
In RL terms, new nations having Nukes would be like if Russia gave Nuclear Weapons to Bhutan.
Sure, TECHNICALLY the Bhutanese could use them, but A) The Population of Bhutan isn't likely to want someone else's surplus A-bombs lying around, B) Someone might pick a fight with them, and C) All in all it would be more trouble than they're worth...
what about building nukes? about how long would that take and how much money? I got the whole money thing figured out and such, for my defense budget (im a few days old) i took the day I figured it out (so like 3 days into being a nation) and used a thread i saw on how to figure out your economy and income by population, econ (fair, good, etc) and there was also a copy of a list of RL nations and how much they spend on defense (% wise and dollar wise) and I found one that had about the same population mine had at the time (7mil people) and at that time took 13.8% of my overall budget and the number I got was how much was used on defense for a month (RL month, I took Dec 20th numbers, found out how much i spent on defnse with 13.8% and I've allowed myself that much money to spend on defence such as guns, ships, etc. from Dec 20th2003 until Jan 19th 2004 RL time) I dont know if that is how everyone else does it but thats the way I've got it going for now. At the end of the RL month i'll take the population and the % we are going to spend this time around and figure it out again and have a bigger defence budget (most likely). But there was another nation that i'd rather not name in case he shouldn't of done it and I have him a lot of my months defense spending money for rights to use his Uranium mining industry. So now I have Uranium to start using research on making a few nukes as deterrant further down the road. So like how long, and more importantly how much money would it take to research and develop one Nuke? Just so I dont come on a month or whatever later and say "I've got a Nuke, took this long to do and cost this much to get one made" and have people yell at me for either it taking to fast or to long or spending to much or to little money.
Just wanna be a fair player is all, any advise would be great! Thanks!
A lot of people go by 1 NS year = 1 day
Considering that legisliation passes(which usuaully takes awhile) in a day, and population raises each day(and census' aren't every day/week/month) /.. so yea..
http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/doujin/logo (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100828)
Austar Union
22-12-2003, 10:33
Most people agree that a nation cannot build nukes until it is 1 RL month old. Prices of building can be more costly sometimes than it is to buy them.
A month? You insane Austar? The biggest "limit" aside from Pwnica here I have seen is by population and that was 300(not i said biggest)
Austar Union
22-12-2003, 10:45
Yeah, I've only seen a month. It works out. A month would be 30NS Yrs. That seems about right to me...
*points to Israel* Israel had nuclaer weapons, much faster than 30 years.. and if you play your cards right - with proper backing it would only take 10 years to design a nuclear weapon and test them.
Austar Union
22-12-2003, 10:56
Perhaps, but I didnt make up that rule... Sorry dude. You only have to wait until the 4th Jan to get them so...
The rule is there to stop noobs from going crazy and declaring war on everyone.
The Government of the Neues Reichs Alliance (Dormie, Sude Reich, Kalireich, Prussia Reich) has decided to donate 150 nuclear warheads the use in defense only. They are ICBM's and with modified rockets and fuels they have a 11,000mile range and upon detonation affect and area or 50 miles with a 10 square mile destruction radius.
Can I have 15 0f those Nuclear Weapons?
i think it is fair to give them to very close allies, puppets or the other half of a split (ie starting a new nation as though it split from the larger one)
In RL terms, new nations having Nukes would be like if Russia gave Nuclear Weapons to Bhutan.
Sure, TECHNICALLY the Bhutanese could use them, but A) The Population of Bhutan isn't likely to want someone else's surplus A-bombs lying around, B) Someone might pick a fight with them, and C) All in all it would be more trouble than they're worth...
why isnt it the same as the US *giving* them to Israel?
and if you consider that nations without a nuclear program at all in 1945 had nukes within 15 years (France, China, Israel)....
Also I have seen new 17 day old nation (not resurrected his population was normal for his age) with a powerhouse economy. It depends on what stance you take on issues. I got the uranium mining issue on my first day here. Also being in the UN or not being in the UN is another variable. It all depends how the nation is run, on how quickly they could build nukes.
Doujin - for heaven's sake, you CAN'T use Israel as an example, because RL nations don't grow by a few million people each year (and I don't mean as a whole)
Ah ok, thanks everyone. One of my friends just started a nation like 3 days or so ago and yesterday he had legislation about mining for urainum so of course he passed that and said he'd hook me up, who knows if he has the urainum yet, have not talked to him since but now I feel stupid spending $2.5billion to get urainum from another nation, hahaha, oops!
Thank's guys! :D
why cant we use RW nations as examples, whether a single day snap shot (for pop based stuff) or a time period activity for existance? anyway what was israels pop growth rate between 1950 and 1965 and 1980? was it more than 1M a year? i would not be suprised.