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New Generation XT-V-15 main-battle Tank for sale.

17-12-2003, 17:25
Please note:
Dealer and manufacturer (production) rights are reserved to Geforce4 and Jaxusism only!
Thank you for your understanding.

The forcian Defense Initiatives Agency working in conjunction with Jaxusism's JaxCorp, has developed the new XT-V-15 main-battle Tank.


Forcian defence ministry will produce 40,000 such tanks.
XT-V-15 "Mekelron"
Cost: 5 million
http://members.roadfly.com/sherveen/predv1013.jpg


The tank is protected against nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) warfare by an NBC protection system (with full overpressure filtered air) located in the turret bustle. The electronics systems are protected against nuclear electromagnetic pulse (EMP).




some of the tank's features:

A Counteroptics device called LASAR able to blind binocular lenses or optical devices


Layers of ceramic composite embedded in tanks steel body give protection against latest high speed kinetic weapons
top armour strenghened against air attack


Autoloader
A microprocessor controlled, fully automated, electrically driven, magazine. The system is located in an isolated space of the turret and is designed to protect the crew in case of ammunition explosion. Carousel carries 25 rounds of various types of ammunition out of 50 rounds carried by this tank

and more...



The Cannon/ATGM/UAS launcher:
The new all electric turret is unmanned by the crew, and can be destroyed without otherwise damaging the vehicle. A new turret can be fitted relatively quickly.


the XT-V-15 "Mekelron" utilizes a large 145mm EM bore gun integrated with a power supply system that is comprised of two counter-rotating power generation alternators with support elements.

It uses Powerful magnetised coils to create an electric pulse which can fire a shell at 7500mph - around two miles a second - and kill a target more than five miles away.

Because of the shell's speed - it moves five times quicker than tu-160 bomber - it can tear through armour and buildings, even though it is only about a foot long and as narrow as a broom stick. Because of its small size, tanks will be able to carry more shells.

The new gun is of an advanced generation developed for the XT-V-15 "Mekelron". A Vidco thermal shroud on the gun reduces bending of the barrel resulting from environmental and firing conditions. The gun can fire higher power munitions including new high penetration projectiles and guided shells/UAS. The loader can select semi-automatically the ammunition type. The tank carries 50 rounds of ammunition each stored in a protective container.

2 12.7-mm NSVT removable anti-aircraft MGs and 7.62mm PKT coaxial MG.: Mounted in a mini-turret atop the main turret, the guns have a 360 degree swiveling fire-arc and are capable of tracking aerial targets even directly overhead the XT-V-15. the gun is operated by remote control from inside the tank.
Maximum Effective Range: 4,920 feet (1,500 meters)

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http://members.roadfly.org/sherveen/pred5.JPG
Armor and protection:
Layers of ceramic composite embedded in tanks steel body give protection against latest high speed kinetic weapons
top armour strenghened against air attack
Multi-layers with integrated NERA Modular EXpandible Armor System and removable side-skirts provide reliable protection against direct-hit and top-attack munitions, such as projectiles, grenades, guided missiles, cluster air bombs, etc. Mine resistance of the hull is augmented with vertical pillars and driver's seat special mounting. The XT-V-15 "Mekelron"is also equipped with automatic fire-extingnishing and NBC protection systems. Removable mine sweeper is mounted to make passes in minefields.
it also includes an outer layer of Montgomery titanium armor.

Protection:
Multi-Option "Zvezda-8B" Jammers: These are multi-purpose jamming devices designed to stop incoming missiles and confuse an enemy targeting the XT-V-15
Each firing launches two Chaff rockets, two Flare rockets, and the tank begins emitting a large cloud of smoke, both standard and Anti-Laser Prismatic aerosol; The Chaff rockets detonate and spread Chaff over the area, the flare rockets floating down by parachute; Effects last for 4 minutes, The Chaff rockets have a big chance of interfering with the course of enemy missiles each that are radar guided so that they miss the tank. The flares have the same purpose, except with IR-guided missiles. The Anti-Laser prismatic aerosol confuses any laser beam striking the tank.

in IR range: thermal insulation of the roof and shutters, ventilation of the engine-transmission compartment;

in visual range: low silhouette, camouflaged painting, smokeless engine exhaust, smokescreen laying and entrenching equipment;

in acoustic range: rubberized elements in running gear wheels and tracks for noise reduction;

in radar range: electromagnetic wave deforming/absorbing coating.



"DeathClaw-5" Anti-Missile defense system: the "DeathClaw" is something like a mine, there are 15 charges, mounted on a rotating post atop the turret and capable of showering both enemy ground troops and incoming missiles in a hail that could annihilate said missiles or ground troops. it is a fearsome close-up weapon when modified with shrapnel and explosives. the "DeathClaw" can be used as a positively horrific weapon against infantry attempting to get up close to the tank.
Maximum Effective Range: 164 feet (50 meters).
Rate of Fire: Up to all charges can be used in one time.
Payload: 15 explosive charges.



the Modular EXpandible Armor System wors like this:
A - Thin containment layer of kevlar, or perhaps graphite reinforced
epoxy or something similar.
B - Tile of boron carbide (a very hard, expensive ceramic).
C - Semireactive fill (perhaps 80% HDPE + 20% Octol)
D - Thick "backplate" layer of kevlar.
E - Empty space between composite sandwiches.
F - More composite sandwches, each containing A, B, C, D.



When a hypervelocity penetrator "sets off" a semireactive
substance such as rubber, or something more energetic like a mix
of 80% HDPE + 20% Octol, it causes the layers to either side of
the reacting substance to bulge and delaminate. If one side is
much stronger and stiffer than the other, the weaker side will
bulge out more, eg:

/#=||| this is the penetrator
/#==||| /
/#====||| v
-------------------------->
\#====|||
\#==|||
\#=|||

When one layer is composed of a brittle material such as a
ceramic, the expanding gasses of the reacting substance will
act as a propellant, and the bulging layers will act as a
funnel. Together, they propel the ceramic down the funnel to
its apex -- directly into the path of the penetrator, and thus
disrupting its structure and reducing its ability to penetrate
further, eg:
expanding gasses of the semireactive layer are
/ pushing the ceramic through the "funnel".
propelled v
ceramic /==||| this is the penetrator,
\ /===||| / all broken up.
v /#====||| v
-----#-###- -- - - -- - -- ->
\#====|||
\===|||
\==|||

It means that there's more than
just the armor material in the path of the penetrator which
stops the penetrator -- the armor actually pulls material
surrounding the impact site into the path of the penetrator,
similar to the way ERA works (but much less explosively and
dangerously).
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To enhance tank’s survivability its observable signatures are reduced by using:

The V-15 is equipped with a special cooling system, which radiates a significant portion of the tanks produced heat towards the ground. This means that the tank is difficult to pick up on passive infra red scanners.
cooling throughout the tank, with radiators located on the underside and behind of the tank, which made it more difficult to detect the tank.

in IR range: thermal insulation of the roof and shutters, ventilation of the engine-transmission compartment;

in visual range: low silhouette, camouflaged painting, smokeless engine exhaust, smokescreen laying and entrenching equipment;

in acoustic range: rubberized elements in running gear wheels and tracks for noise reduction;

in radar range: electromagnetic wave deforming/absorbing coating.


Sensors and special features:
The Conqueror has all of the features common to powered armor and tanks except for the following:


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Engine:
The tank is provided with a snorkel for deep fording and can ford 6 metres of water with equipment which can be deployed in 15 minutes.
it uses the new Forcian(developed with the nation of Jaxsusism) Orel-854 hybrid electric-drive engine for propulsion
the engine alternating current motors to power the vehicle's tracks. The power comes from an engine-driven generator and a bank of batteries.

it offers better acceleration and more efficient fuel consumption than any diesel-engine-powered tanks. this hybrid propulsion system also allows full power in the entire range of engine speeds for improved slope climbing. An electric vehicle's reduced engine noise and heat generation would lower acoustic and infra-red signature, thus increasing the level of survivability.





new gen Fire Control System


The new fire control system, developed by Geforce4, includes very advanced features including the capability to acquire and lock onto moving targets, includes airborne ones, while the tank itself is on the move.
The computer controlled fire control system includes line of sight stabilisation in two axes, a new-generation television sight and automatic thermal target tracker, a laser range finder, an improved thermal night vision system and a dynamic cant angle indicator. The commander's station is fitted with a stabilised panoramic day and night sight. The integrated operating system includes advanced data communications and battle management.

Radio/ Video Communications: Long range, directional, has a range of 500 miles with short range directional radio of 5 miles.

Combat Computer/ Targeting Computer: Assists in the tracking of targets, and gives firing solutions.
Radar: range of 50 miles, can identify 30+ targets and track them as low as 500 ft.
Fully stabilized gun sight: A computer aided gunsight with up to x100 magnification and integral laser rangefinder (see below).
Laser Targeting/Rangefinder System 15 miles (24.1 km).
Full Life Support: Protects pilot and tank from heat and radiation and gives a breathable atmosphere inside the Tank.
Radio/ Video Communications: Long range, directional, has a range of 500 miles with short range directional radio of 10 miles.
Datalink transmitters: A powerful battlefield management communications system. Allows the tank to use targeting data from scout vehicles for firing the Anti-Tank missiles or Sabot rounds, and to provide targeting data to other vehicles. Bonus varies on the quality of the data being provided, but all data would allow the tank to fire over obstacles if the scout vehicle is in the right position. The normal effective battlefield range is 10 miles (16 km).
Thermo-Imager: range of 2.6 miles (4.2 km). Finds the infra-red radiations of things that are warm (as in above ambient temperature). Also enables driver to see in smoke, shadows and darkness.
Two Periscopes: Have up to x100 magnification for commander and driver to view out of while maneuvering the vehicle.
Nightvision Optics: Range: 3,000 ft (909 m). Uses light amplification to make a picture. Emits no light but will not work in absolute darkness.


Extendable Sensor Pod: Mounted on the back of the turret was a small Sensor pod which could be extended to a height of 14 feet (4.2 meters). This allowed the crew to see over obstacles, and to perform observations without exposing the entire tank. The pod mounted the radar and a set of enhanced vision optics, with a magnification of 50 times.

http://members.roadfly.com/sherveen/pred5v.jpg
The XT-V-15 "Mekelron" is fitted with the Arbalet-B millimeter wave radar system.

The Arbalet-B milimeter-wave radar/warning sensor is mounted on the back of the turret and can be extended to a height of 14 feet (4.2 meters). This will allow the crew to see over obstacles, and to perform observations without exposing the entire APC. it also includes a set of enhanced vision optics, with a magnification of 50 times.
it also provides early warning of incoming aircraft and missile attacks.

Data processor: Ts181F
Signal processor: Baget-55-04.01
MTBF: 150 h
Total weight: 250kg
provides guidance for Surface-to-surface modes.

Various mapping modes
Moving Target Selection of ground and air targets
Determination of priority of objects
Determination of terrain contours and obstacle detection during low-altitude flight
Missile approach warning
Support/cueing of EO targetting systems
Detection of dangerous weather formations
Navigation systems update/correction
Missile and rocket control
Target type classification (in conjunction with IFF)
Azimuth coverage: 120 deg
Mapping range: 32 km
Range of detection of ground targets: bridge: 25 km, tank: 12 km
Measurement precision: azimuth: 12 min, elevation: 17 min, distance: 20 m
Range of detection of ground-based obstacles and terrain detection/avoidance- Electricity cables: 0.4 km, 10 deg sloping terrain: 1.5 km
Tracks 20 targets at once
Also provides Surface-to-air modes

Search limits, azimuth: 360 deg, elevation +-30 deg
Detection range for Attack aircraft: 15 km, missile detection: 5 km+
Tracking limits, azimuth: +-60 deg, elevation: +-30 deg
Tracks 20+ targets
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Special Armament(cost is 2000$ per shell):
http://members.roadfly.com/sherveen/ouch.jpg
Forcian Kinetic Energy Scramjet tank shell
The scramjet, like common jet engines, burns fuel mixed with compressed atmospheric oxygen. However, unlike traditional jets, the scramjet has no compressor disks or other moving parts to compress the air. Hot air entering the scramjet inlets at four times the speed of sound, ignites the fuel and sustains combustion, so the scramjet itself contains pure fuel without wasting weight and volume of a separate oxidizer.

As it emerges ignited from a cannon barrel, a scramjet-powered tank round could produce thrust in flight to extend its range or sustain its penetrating power all the way to the target.

Compared to unpowered kinetic energy tank rounds that slow down and lose penetrating power to aerodynamic drag, a scramjet powered round could sustain its tank-penetrating power over longer ranges, or enable a smaller, lighter gun to achieve the same result.

With no moving parts, the scramjet engine burns fuel with the compressed, superheated air encountered at Mach 5—the muzzle velocity of existing tank guns.

These powered rounds travel the full 1,000-foot length of the test tunnel at Mach 5 at sea level (1,700 miles per second).
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Forcian Skyshark Unmanned arial shell [cost 5000$]

the Skyshark is a tank launched loitering observation "UAS" that weighs 6kg and is 12cm in diameter. The Skyshark is launched by the tanks main cannon. Following launch, the Skyshark's wings (1.5m wingspan) snap into flight position powered by an electrical motor. The retrievable UAS is equipped with a camera that provides wide area coverage and point-of-interest monitoring. It can operate at a distance of up to 10 kilometers and loiter over the target for more than 60 minutes, providing real-time target imagery, in direct support of the combat formations.

As a tactical reconnaissance and surveillance system, Skyshark offers many advantages such as:

Long endurance (flies for over an hour over the target)
Real-time high resolution imagery (recognition of armed persons is possible)
Designed for autonomous operation by tactical units
Independent operation by the infantry unit, rapid and automatic launch, recovery
and recondition, without requirements for external support
Can be launched from enclosed spaces and crowded urban settings




Specefications:
Crew 3
Weight: 60 tons
Track metallic with RMSh and rubber-tyred road wheels
Suspension torsion bar
Shock absorbers hydraulic, telescopic (on 1, 2 and 6 road wheels)
Electrical equipment
Starter storage batteries 10
Total capacity 540 A h
Road speed unpaved 70 - 100 km/hour
paved 90 - 100 km/hour +
maximum 110 km/hour
Fuel endurance
unpaved road 900 km (main fuel tanks)
1100 km (with extra fuel drums)
Negotiable obstacles
gradient 32 deg
side slope 30 deg
trench 2.85 m
Fording depth
with OVPT snorkel 6.8 m
Dimensions:
length (gun forwards) 8.66 m
length (over hull) 7 m
length of track on ground 4.3 m
width (over tracks) 3.4 m
width (over gill armour panels) 3.6 m
track 2.8 m
height (over turret roof) 1.2 m
ground clearance 451 mm
Please note:
Dealer and manufacturer (production) rights are reserved to Geforce4 and Jaxusism only!
Thank you for your understanding.
17-12-2003, 17:31
iam going to war with someone and i need the tank. PLEASE! :cry:
17-12-2003, 17:32
iam going to war with someone and i need the tank. PLEASE! :cry:


your only 7 million, you cant afford many..
Jaxusism
17-12-2003, 17:37
The XT-V-15 "Mekelron" is an awesome tank, the best out there. Dark terror can no longer say his are the dominating, "Dark terror's tanks can now be used as target practice"!

8)
17-12-2003, 17:50
nations with less then 100 million get 5 to 10 % discounts.
Kazakhstania
17-12-2003, 18:14
Nice tank.

I am releasing another soon, but I fear it will not be nearly as good as this :(

Oh well, may aswell try. Someday i might get a tank as powerful as this.
17-12-2003, 18:50
bump
17-12-2003, 18:51
any discounts for purchasing 200+?
17-12-2003, 18:52
any discounts for purchasing 200+?


5 to 10%
Automagfreek
17-12-2003, 18:54
AMF will pay top dollar for exclusive rights to this model.

http://www.max.rcs.it/010peo/01per/0207/2200/img2.jpg
Chairman Samuel Jackson
-Department of Defense-
G.D.O.D.A.D
17-12-2003, 18:54
i would like to purchase 300.
would i be able to purchase spares if need be?

will they be delivered?
17-12-2003, 18:57
We will take 20 of these tanks for our elite armour platoon.

So that will be 160 Million. You will receive it in 5-6 days
17-12-2003, 18:57
i would like to purchase 300.
would i be able to purchase spares if need be?

will they be delivered?


yes, you will be able to purchase spare parts if needed, you get 5% discount, wire the money and we shall send em out.
17-12-2003, 18:58
We will take 20 of these tanks for our elite armour platoon.

So that will be 160 Million. You will receive it in 5-6 days


confirmed.
17-12-2003, 18:58
please deliver to island of Guerrillistan, they shall be expecting

thanks
17-12-2003, 19:01
please deliver to island of Guerrillistan, they shall be expecting

thanks


their on the way by our cargo aircraft.
Automagfreek
17-12-2003, 19:01
AMF will pay top dollar for exclusive rights to this model.

http://www.max.rcs.it/010peo/01per/0207/2200/img2.jpg
Chairman Samuel Jackson
-Department of Defense-
G.D.O.D.A.D
17-12-2003, 19:01
AMF will pay top dollar for exclusive rights to this model.

http://www.max.rcs.it/010peo/01per/0207/2200/img2.jpg
Chairman Samuel Jackson
-Department of Defense-
G.D.O.D.A.D


we are sorry, but we dont sell production rights for this tank yet.
Automagfreek
17-12-2003, 19:03
we are sorry, but we dont sell production rights for this tank yet.

I'm sure we could work something out. We are willing to pay any reasonable price for this tank. In the meantime, we'll take a regiment's worth.

http://www.max.rcs.it/010peo/01per/0207/2200/img2.jpg
Chairman Samuel Jackson
-Department of Defense-
G.D.O.D.A.D
Jaxusism
17-12-2003, 19:08
And by the way, I dont think we will EVER be selling production rights to the tank... Depends on how sales go.
Automagfreek
17-12-2003, 19:09
And by the way, I dont think we will EVER be selling production rights to the tank... Depends on how sales go.

As stated before, I'm sure we can work something out in the future.

http://www.max.rcs.it/010peo/01per/0207/2200/img2.jpg
Chairman Samuel Jackson
-Department of Defense-
G.D.O.D.A.D
Jaxusism
17-12-2003, 19:10
And by the way, I dont think we will EVER be selling production rights to the tank... Depends on how sales go.

As stated before, I'm sure we can work something out in the future.

http://www.max.rcs.it/010peo/01per/0207/2200/img2.jpg
Chairman Samuel Jackson
-Department of Defense-
G.D.O.D.A.D


Im sure it wont be worked out for THIS PARTICULAR product. Ever.
17-12-2003, 20:01
bump
imported_Buckaro
17-12-2003, 20:03
ill take 1000 of them, money wired on confermation.
17-12-2003, 20:06
ill take 1000 of them, money wired on confermation.


confirmed.
17-12-2003, 20:19
bump
Jaxusism
17-12-2003, 21:38
Bump.
17-12-2003, 21:49
so, dt what do you think of this? :mrgreen:
Jaxusism
17-12-2003, 21:55
so, dt what do you think of this? :mrgreen:

ROFLMAO!

Yeah, whaddaya think?
Arribastan
17-12-2003, 21:58
OOC: i like DT's, because he sold me prod. rights.
IC:600 please. *money wired*
Colerica
17-12-2003, 22:05
The United Empire of Colerica will purchase 100 of your tanks for $800,000,000. Money wired upon confirmation....
Jaxusism
17-12-2003, 22:07
Orders confirmed.
17-12-2003, 22:09
iam going to war with someone and i need the tank. PLEASE! :cry: :lol: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :idea:
17-12-2003, 22:11
ill take 1000 of them, money wired on confermation.


confirmed. 8) 8) :?
Arribastan
17-12-2003, 22:16
IC: we have decided that this model is far surperior to DT's tanks. this fearsome weapon will be used by the Arribastani Imperial guard, our finest military unit.
17-12-2003, 22:21
1 million for 1 million euros
8)
17-12-2003, 22:26
1 million for 1 million euros
8)
17-12-2003, 22:28
PICSZ0RS CHANGED
Jaxusism
17-12-2003, 22:31
No, Marlins Baseball, just NO.
18-12-2003, 01:18
Excellent... We'd like to purchase 1024 of these tanks for the creation of several tank divisions. We will wire money upon confirmation... And in a previous statement, you said that purchases with more than 200 tanks get a discount, so we will await your figure.

(http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Exonerate&&defenseprovided=1&militarybudget=1&defense=12 if you suspect I can't afford it...)
United Elias
18-12-2003, 01:25
is this the one I was making the powerplant for?
United Elias
18-12-2003, 01:27
is this the one I was making the powerplant for?
Artitsa
18-12-2003, 01:27
Well... you changed the pic. That means I gotta buy about lets say... 2000 of them now?

Lemme just see how many tanks I have :o

12,000 GT-1's (T-80UM6)
6,000 V-10's
2,000 XT-V-15

...I know Im forgetting some tanks here...
Lost Hills
18-12-2003, 03:03
We'll take 500 of these tanks.

$4,000,000,000 wired upon confirmation.
Jaxusism
18-12-2003, 03:36
Well... you changed the pic. That means I gotta buy about lets say... 2000 of them now?

Lemme just see how many tanks I have :o

12,000 GT-1's (T-80UM6)
6,000 V-10's
2,000 XT-V-15

...I know Im forgetting some tanks here...

We're not selling to you.

All other orders confirmed and United Elias, yes, but it was just me and Geforce4 instead of the team.
18-12-2003, 10:57
bump?
Kazakhstania
18-12-2003, 10:58
Can I have the otejr pics for a new tank I am making?
18-12-2003, 11:08
Can I have the otejr pics for a new tank I am making?

sure, you got msn icq aim?
18-12-2003, 12:40
bump
United Elias
18-12-2003, 12:56
can we by a license, we dont want to produce more than a thousand, but we want to install an indigenous powerplant and some additional sensors and computer systems as welll as modifying the autoloader system, we might even consider reverting to manual, but then we'd have to fit in a loader position.
18-12-2003, 13:00
license?, no, but you can buy the tanks and modify them :mrgreen: .
United Elias
18-12-2003, 14:04
your Skyshark sounds awfully like a tank launched version of our Skyllark man portable UAV (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75781&highlight=) :wink:
imported_Buckaro
18-12-2003, 17:10
ill take 1000 of them, money wired on confermation.


confirmed. 8) 8) :?
What? i do have enough money! Defence is TOP!
Thanks for the tanks Geforce4 and CO.
18-12-2003, 17:45
coll i like your tanks heres $10, 000000000000 dollars give me what i can get for that mate :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
18-12-2003, 17:45
coll i like your tanks heres $10, 000000000000 dollars give me what i can get for that mate :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Rakenshi
18-12-2003, 18:01
18-12-2003, 18:14
I gather that they come with a CD player and Radio....but what is the frequency range of the radio? We have many local radio stations here in the Kingdom of the Coconut-Shaped Penguin and wouldn't like our army to miss out.
Johnistan
18-12-2003, 18:41
Where the hell did you get such sweet pics?
Johnistan
18-12-2003, 18:42
Where the hell did you get such sweet pics?
Jaxusism
19-12-2003, 00:46
Where the hell did you get such sweet pics?

Google. :D
19-12-2003, 01:33
Tilsitsin is interested in negotiating a contract to purchase 600 of these tanks to complement our own fleet of L-4A advanced medium tanks. If this is possible, funds will be wired for purchase.
Colerica
19-12-2003, 01:41
The United Empire of Colerica will purchase 100 for $500,000,000 for our 1st Armored Division. Money wired upon confirmation....
19-12-2003, 01:41
Colerica
19-12-2003, 01:41
19-12-2003, 01:42
I want five XT-V-15 "Mekelron tanks.







money wired
19-12-2003, 02:08
confirmed
19-12-2003, 02:08
confirmed
19-12-2003, 03:39
Thank you, money wired.
19-12-2003, 05:22
The Democratic Socialist Nation of CommieBoi would like to purchase Two Thousand & Five Hundred (2500) of your XT-V-15 "Mekelron", Money will be automaticly wired upon confirmation
United Elias
19-12-2003, 12:13
your Skyshark sounds awfully like a tank launched version of our Skylark man portable UAV (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75781&highlight=) :wink:

bump
Jaxusism
19-12-2003, 13:59
Orders confirmed.
19-12-2003, 14:41
your Skyshark sounds awfully like a tank launched version of our Skylark man portable UAV (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75781&highlight=) :wink:

bump


same thing, only ours is tank launched :P
Kazakhstania
19-12-2003, 14:45
100 for our new 精英坦克分开 (Elite Tank Division)
Jaxusism
19-12-2003, 14:47
Order confirmed.
Jaxusism
19-12-2003, 15:35
Bump.
Kazakhstania
19-12-2003, 15:39
Jaxusism, how can you confirm GF4's order?
Jaxusism
19-12-2003, 15:40
Jaxusism, how can you confirm GF4's order?

Read the thread again. :roll:
Jaxusism
19-12-2003, 15:41
The 1st post, I mean. Not the entire thread.
Kazakhstania
19-12-2003, 15:44
Ok Ok.

Sorry, *money wired*
19-12-2003, 15:49
I need lots of tanks and I will pay top money for some if i do not have anuf i can pay you back in the long run :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :shock: :shock: :oops: :arrow:
Jaxusism
19-12-2003, 15:50
I need lots of tanks and I will pay top money for some if i do not have anuf i can pay you back in the long run :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :shock: :shock: :oops: :arrow:

No...
19-12-2003, 16:08
I need lots of tanks and I will pay top money for some if i do not have anuf i can pay you back in the long run :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :shock: :shock: :oops: :arrow:

No...i want 1
Jaxusism
19-12-2003, 16:09
Order confirmed.
United Elias
19-12-2003, 18:37
your Skyshark sounds awfully like a tank launched version of our Skylark man portable UAV (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75781&highlight=) :wink:

bump


same thing, only ours is tank launched :P

So, you copied my thing and modified it? :wink:
19-12-2003, 18:42
no, i copied the skylark uav and modified it.
United Elias
20-12-2003, 00:51
no, i copied the skylark uav and modified it.

okay deal.

How does this compare with DT's Merkava 6, rather than just saying better, I would like some specific reasons.
20-12-2003, 00:52
Ill wait for Geforce to come in and answer this one. :D
20-12-2003, 00:53
no, i copied the skylark uav and modified it.

okay deal.

How does this compare with DT's Merkava 6, rather than just saying better, I would like some specific reasons.
Its admittedly better.

Wait for my upcoming GT-4, bigger gun, decent tungsten carbide rounds and quad charged HEAT, all welded turret.
20-12-2003, 00:54
no, i copied the skylark uav and modified it.

okay deal.

How does this compare with DT's Merkava 6, rather than just saying better, I would like some specific reasons.
Its admittedly better.

Wait for my upcoming GT-4, bigger gun, decent tungsten carbide rounds and quad charged HEAT, all welded turret.

Wait for our Mekelnor 2. 8) Researching stages. Long way to come, but its gonna be a beast.
20-12-2003, 00:56
So we start selling laser guided 203mm artillery rounds :lol:
20-12-2003, 05:22
So we start selling laser guided 203mm artillery rounds :lol:


whatever.
20-12-2003, 10:39
We will take 20 of these tanks for our elite armour platoon.

So that will be 160 Million. You will receive it in 5-6 days
20-12-2003, 18:15
I need lots of tanks and I will pay top money for some if i do not have anuf i can pay you back in the long run :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :shock: :shock: :oops: :arrow:

No...

I want 1
United Elias
20-12-2003, 19:01
Can we request a custom version with the following:

-Diesel Turbines to replace existing powerplant
-135mm Electro Thermal gun instead of 145mm (so all my tanks use same calibre)
- Mine detection system
-removable dozer baldes

Once a per unit price is worked out we will decide on quantity.
Also what will be the designation of the tank?

What does this tank feature to protect from RPGs fried at the rear ?
20-12-2003, 19:45
Can we request a custom version with the following:

-Diesel Turbines to replace existing powerplant
-135mm Electro Thermal gun instead of 145mm (so all my tanks use same calibre)
- Mine detection system
-removable dozer baldes

Once a per unit price is worked out we will decide on quantity.
Also what will be the designation of the tank?

What does this tank feature to protect from RPGs fried at the rear ?

alright, i will do all this, but you sure you want 135 ETC? i can make you a 135mm EM gun.
20-12-2003, 19:48
the deathclaw and zvezda offers protection from rpgs on all sides,
United Elias
20-12-2003, 20:12
No thanks, I want an ET main gun

How does the jammer system prevent unguided RPGs?
Johnistan
20-12-2003, 20:27
I'm working on a tank that will wipe the floor with everything.
United Elias
20-12-2003, 20:43
I'm working on a tank that will wipe the floor with everything.

A floor cleaning tank :shock: I must akert the Ministry of Housekeeping :wink:
21-12-2003, 00:41
Can we request a custom version with the following:

-Diesel Turbines to replace existing powerplant
-135mm Electro Thermal gun instead of 145mm (so all my tanks use same calibre)
- Mine detection system
-removable dozer baldes

Once a per unit price is worked out we will decide on quantity.
Also what will be the designation of the tank?

What does this tank feature to protect from RPGs fried at the rear ?
I can make a better tank when I get off my lazy ass, lol.
21-12-2003, 02:00
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Hutu
21-12-2003, 02:26
Very nice tanks, we too have been plotting to build a large caliber MBT, and have entered the design stages of such a weapon and would like to purchase 10 at first just to see how the vehicle handles with the large gun. Hopfully it does well and we won't have to spend our resources to build them and can buy more from your nation.
21-12-2003, 02:36
Very nice tanks, we too have been plotting to build a large caliber MBT, and have entered the design stages of such a weapon and would like to purchase 10 at first just to see how the vehicle handles with the large gun. Hopfully it does well and we won't have to spend our resources to build them and can buy more from your nation.


alright, 10 tanks will be delivered to your nation upon your payment.
Hutu
21-12-2003, 02:41
We shall wire the money immediatly.

Thank you Comrades.
21-12-2003, 03:20
bump
Largent
21-12-2003, 03:31
Ill buy 20,000.

100,000 wired.
Largent
21-12-2003, 03:35
Also 1,000,000 skysharks

5 bil wired
imported_Skepticism
21-12-2003, 03:38
We of the USSS are admittedly confused. The great preponderance of text and pictures, ASCII or not, have unfortunately left a few questions unanswered:

1. How exactly does sending an electrical charge through the tank's hull destroy projectiles? The electrical arcs would not ever hit said projectile, because they would not be able to ground themselves through it, and most anti-tank weapons explode some distance away from the tank in the first place; what good will some electricity through the hull do against a mass of superheated air going Mach 30? And even if the electricity somehow did ground itself through a kinetic shell, what good would that do? The amount of energy required to heat up a tungsten projectile to the melting point would be so far above what any tank alternator could produce.

2. We still have no idea how this expandible armor is supposed to work, and expect that you do not either, given that you simply copy and pasted some stuff from an armaments forum, right down to the confusing-ass pictures which do not even tell you what symbol represents the penetrator. Something about when the armor is compressed, it expands material in the way of the projectile?! Unfortunately no materials expand as they compress, to our knowledge, and even then...

3. You don't really seem to list any defense against HEAT rounds; none of the listed items (titanium armor, weird unexplainable compression armor, electric thing which makes no sense) apply. So, a 120mm HEAT round should pretty much blow right through, right?

4. 100+ km/h? How fast does that drain those batteries?

OOC: Sadly, the race to make "better" tanks results in yet another poorly explained uber tank rife with features which make absolutely no sense at all. This tank is a borderline-if-not-over GODMOD piece of crap, with features that no only Geforce4 but no one actually understands the function of.
Largent
21-12-2003, 03:40
We of the USSS are admittedly confused. The great preponderance of text and pictures, ASCII or not, have unfortunately left a few questions unanswered:

1. How exactly does sending an electrical charge through the tank's hull destroy projectiles? The electrical arcs would not ever hit said projectile, because they would not be able to ground themselves through it, and most anti-tank weapons explode some distance away from the tank in the first place; what good will some electricity through the hull do against a mass of superheated air going Mach 30? And even if the electricity somehow did ground itself through a kinetic shell, what good would that do? The amount of energy required to heat up a tungsten projectile to the melting point would be so far above what any tank alternator could produce.

2. We still have no idea how this expandible armor is supposed to work, and expect that you do not either, given that you simply copy and pasted some stuff from an armaments forum, right down to the confusing-ass pictures which do not even tell you what symbol represents the penetrator. Something about when the armor is compressed, it expands material in the way of the projectile?! Unfortunately no materials expand as they compress, to our knowledge, and even then...

3. You don't really seem to list any defense against HEAT rounds; none of the listed items (titanium armor, weird unexplainable compression armor, electric thing which makes no sense) apply. So, a 120mm HEAT round should pretty much blow right through, right?

4. 100+ km/h? How fast does that drain those batteries?

OOC: Sadly, the race to make "better" tanks results in yet another poorly explained uber tank rife with features which make absolutely no sense at all. This tank is a borderline-if-not-over GODMOD piece of crap, with features that no only Geforce4 but no one actually understands the function of.

This is coming from a nation called skeptisism :roll:
imported_Skepticism
21-12-2003, 03:46
...
21-12-2003, 03:48
We of the USSS are admittedly confused. The great preponderance of text and pictures, ASCII or not, have unfortunately left a few questions unanswered:

1. How exactly does sending an electrical charge through the tank's hull destroy projectiles? The electrical arcs would not ever hit said projectile, because they would not be able to ground themselves through it, and most anti-tank weapons explode some distance away from the tank in the first place; what good will some electricity through the hull do against a mass of superheated air going Mach 30? And even if the electricity somehow did ground itself through a kinetic shell, what good would that do? The amount of energy required to heat up a tungsten projectile to the melting point would be so far above what any tank alternator could produce.

2. We still have no idea how this expandible armor is supposed to work, and expect that you do not either, given that you simply copy and pasted some stuff from an armaments forum, right down to the confusing-ass pictures which do not even tell you what symbol represents the penetrator. Something about when the armor is compressed, it expands material in the way of the projectile?! Unfortunately no materials expand as they compress, to our knowledge, and even then...

3. You don't really seem to list any defense against HEAT rounds; none of the listed items (titanium armor, weird unexplainable compression armor, electric thing which makes no sense) apply. So, a 120mm HEAT round should pretty much blow right through, right?

4. 100+ km/h? How fast does that drain those batteries?

OOC: Sadly, the race to make "better" tanks results in yet another poorly explained uber tank rife with features which make absolutely no sense at all. This tank is a borderline-if-not-over GODMOD piece of crap, with features that no only Geforce4 but no one actually understands the function of.

Ditto. Good points. Also, how in the heck could a tank work 6metres underwater?
Largent
21-12-2003, 03:53
all my stuff
This is coming from a nation called skeptisism :roll:

OOC: Your eloquence so greatly impresses me that I must genuflect myself in absolute reverence.

If you are going to attack my points, please at least do so in a way which actually proves or demonstrates that anything I have said is not true. If you can.

Everyone should be skeptical of what doesn't make sense or is obviously downright impossible.

It was just a joke. I saw your points and I am ignoring the more extreme features of the tank.
imported_Skepticism
21-12-2003, 03:58
It was just a joke. I saw your points and I am ignoring the more extreme features of the tank.

OOC: Ah. My apologies; Geforce and his ilk have many fanatical allies who generally gladly ignore facts, and I took the rolling eyes smiley face to indicate that you were one of them. My mistake; and it's good to see some other people thinking for themselves out there too :)
Largent
21-12-2003, 04:02
It was just a joke. I saw your points and I am ignoring the more extreme features of the tank.

OOC: Ah. My apologies; Geforce and his ilk have many fanatical allies who generally gladly ignore facts, and I took the rolling eyes smiley face to indicate that you were one of them. My mistake; and it's good to see some other people thinking for themselves out there too :)

I'm one less n00b people have to worry about :lol:
21-12-2003, 04:11
We of the USSS are admittedly confused. The great preponderance of text and pictures, ASCII or not, have unfortunately left a few questions unanswered:

1. How exactly does sending an electrical charge through the tank's hull destroy projectiles? The electrical arcs would not ever hit said projectile, because they would not be able to ground themselves through it, and most anti-tank weapons explode some distance away from the tank in the first place; what good will some electricity through the hull do against a mass of superheated air going Mach 30? And even if the electricity somehow did ground itself through a kinetic shell, what good would that do? The amount of energy required to heat up a tungsten projectile to the melting point would be so far above what any tank alternator could produce.
i copy and pasted this idea from some article/dark terror and forgot to delete it, i didnt finish it

2. We still have no idea how this expandible armor is supposed to work, and expect that you do not either, given that you simply copy and pasted some stuff from an armaments forum,whatever, its some new generation german armour so its the only info about it i could get

3. You don't really seem to list any defense against HEAT rounds; none of the listed items (titanium armor, weird unexplainable compression armor, electric thing which makes no sense) apply. So, a 120mm HEAT round should pretty much blow right through, right?
ill add kaktus explosive-reactive-armour



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and largent, a t-72 can forge 6m underwater with a snorkel.
Largent
21-12-2003, 04:19
is that like a joke :? also there were other points there you should read
Bayorta
21-12-2003, 04:20
*tagging the topic out of interest*
21-12-2003, 04:22
is that like a joke



woops i mean 5 meters.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t72/images/t-72_7.jpg
Largent
21-12-2003, 04:26
thats more relistic. still, as I said Skeptisism made other decent points
imported_Skepticism
21-12-2003, 17:49
i copy and pasted this idea from some article/dark terror and forgot to delete it, i didnt finish it

whatever, its some new generation german armour so its the only info about it i could get

ill add kaktus explosive-reactive-armour


OOC: I find it unacceptable to claim incredible beneficiary effects from something that you do not understand, much less cannot explain; how is it not a Godmod to say "My armor turns aside your sabbot due to its amazing properties...somehow, and in such a manner as to make it very light and not dangerous like all the other kinds (of ERA)!"

At least most of the other stuff is relatively minor, but utilizing some crazy idea no one actually "gets" crosses the line. As long as something can be explained, I'll buy it; bring on your supercavitating torpedos, radar-tracking, missile engaging 40mm cannon, etc. Even you admit that you cannot do so, however, so why do you expect us to buy the idea?
21-12-2003, 17:51
OOC:
Nonexplosive reactive armor is already used by the germans in their latest leopards, so there you go. its called MEXAS.
imported_Skepticism
21-12-2003, 19:51
OOC:
Nonexplosive reactive armor is already used by the germans in their latest leopards, so there you go. its called MEXAS.

OOC: AND HOW DOES IT WORK?!

Answer: You do not know how well enough to explain it so anyone can understand.

Therefore, it cannot be used.
21-12-2003, 21:31
OOC:
A decent explanation of how it works was posted in the description from TTKciar's tank site.

Dont like it? Get to ignoring us, and to getting the hell out. Exact RCS' of stelath aircraft are classified, which means ww2 radars can now be used to detect them. A good deal of things about chobham are classified, so I do think Ill ignore any usage of abrams or challengers.

Get the point?
The Zoogie People
21-12-2003, 21:36
We would like to purchase 500 of these (2.5 bil) and 500 million worth of scramjet shells(250,000)...I believe that comes out to $3 billion.

Money wired on confirmation.
Pwnica
21-12-2003, 21:37
Pwnica orders:
100 XT-V-15, cost comes to 5 billion.
500 Skyshark shells, cost is 2.5 million
2500 Scramjet shells, cost is 5 million.

Money is wired.
The Zoogie People
21-12-2003, 21:42
Wait, wait, we'd like to change our order, noticing skyshark for the first time. We would like to cut the scramjet shells to 200,000 and order 20,000 skyshark shells...so the price is still the same, the order's a bit different though.
The Zoogie People
21-12-2003, 21:45
Update again...I am purchasing 200+ tanks, so would like to know what the discount would be...so, my final order...

500 Tanks
200,000 Scramjet
20,000 Skyshark

List price $3 billion.

My population is also 108 million. What would be the final price for these? Please deliver them in two RL weeks.
22-12-2003, 02:52
All orders confirmed.