USIH Prepares Coastal Defences (Closed Wargame)
Independent Hitmen
16-12-2003, 14:03
It was a wet night on the southern coast of the USIH. Waves battered the shore as the wind blew relentlessly, hampering the work being done by an Engineer Battalion on the shore emplacements. There were 8 Bunkers on this 18 Mile Strech of Coast, and all were being re-fortified after years of neglection. They were also recieving new equipment and men. Each bunker now boasted 2 .50 Cal Machine Guns, 4 M60 Machine Guns and 22 troops with personal weapons such as M16s and M249s. There was thousands of rounds of ammunition and at least 30 LAW's in each bunker. The living quarters streched under the firing level and were confortable by military standards. The crews had recently been conducting marksmanship drills with their modified weapons, which now fired laser beams to tell the opposition "players" as they thought of them when they were dead.
All of the Bunkers were sited so that they had good fire over any potential landing beaches. They were well camoflauged(sp?) and with the facilities to call in presicion artillery support enabled them to be relitively secure.
The Artillery Support was being provided by 12 155mm Towed Howitzers that were seconded to the defences from the 9th Infantry Division. They had no armour but they were supplied with HMMWV's and 5 tonne trucks at the end of bug out tunnels 1/2 a mile behind the bunkers. This would enable as many men as possible to get away and live to fight another day if the beaches were a lost cause. Lieutenant Atkinson was in command of the Bunker Victor Oscar One and was overseeing the defence layout. This was his first command after being commisoned from the Officer Training Institute in J City the capital.
Above the Engineers worked on Dragons Teeth, Anti-Tank Ditches and barbed wire that would slow the enemy down once they had invaded. For 100 Miles along the USIH Southern Coast the same was happening. The only town in that Strech was Tadworth and there similar defences were springing up from the ground.
Over 40 Miles back from the Beaches were the rest of the forces that were going to be used for the games. These were commanded by Major-General John Howard and numbered nearly 50,000 Combat troops with 450 M1A2 Abrams tanks and lots of air support.
Colonel James Jenkins was in command of the Rotary Units being used in the wargames. Under his command were 36 AH-64D Apaches, 12 of the new RAH-66 Commanches, 7 UH-60 Blackhawks and 12 Kiowa Warrior Scout Helicopters. He was to be the eyes of the Division and had therefore been giving his troops a lot of extra drills and weapons training. His Apaches and Commanches were highly adept now at taking out tanks and armoured vehicles and the Kiowa Warriors were using their radar to great effect in hunting out some of the Divisions tanks and APC's in a standard training op for both sides. They had also been practising night flying again and were working on perfecting it, this exercise would call for a lot of it.
Major Jack Hawkins of the 104th Special Forces Regiment was in Tadworth. His men were all disguised as civilians in preperation for any attack. There was 12 in his team including himself and Jack knew that if an invasion came he would be in the thick of it. His team had the best weapons and explosives that his country possessed and they knew how to use them. The enemy would have to supply there forces and it was his teams job to make sure that there was the maximum chaos caused that would enable his other countrymen to push them back.
He cleaned his M4 Carbine for the second time that day. The laser unit that had been attached to it was bulky but did not interfere with his telescopic sight or silencer. His teams weapons all had these units on them as did their claymores and C4 Explosives. His men were chilled and proffesional, they had seen action earlier that year, evacuating USIH Personnel from the Embassy in Toastians after large scale riots errupted in the country. However they hadnt fired a shot then, but they knew they would fire a lot now.
They all waited for the invasion to come...................................
Kazakhstania
16-12-2003, 20:03
*Shark Base*
Shark Base was pretty busy recently. It was only a small helicopter base with a small number of Airborne Troops, but it was head of the QRF forces in the region. On the break out of war, which would surely be soon, they would be the first in and hopefully the last out.
A nearby International Airport has a small squadron of 24 aircraft, and several cargo planes. A small armor regiment of M-15's and IFV's is with them too, to complete the QRF. All they have to do is wait....
OOC:
Shark Base Content:
24 EA-26A's
12 KA-60's
8 Mi-17's
8 AH-6 Littlebirds's
1,000 Airborne Troops
30 Delta Force Troops
Air Base Content:
12 F/A-41's
6 F-42 ASF's
6 A-15's
12 EA-26B's
12 Mi-17's
6 C-145's
4 Il-76's
1 An-225
1 A-50 AWAC's
1 Il-76 Aerial Refueler
6 M-15 Main Battle Tanks
2 M-21 IFV's
1 M-15 Scout Vehicle
1,000 Airborne Troops
That is my deployment for now.
Preperations had been going on all week, helicopters had been ferying supply's top the build up zones and boats had been patrolling the waters in case Independant Hitmen decided to spring an assault.
General Tai Pyro only had three more operational groups to visit. He was currently in his armoured car on his way to the Pheonixes base of operations. The car came off the road and wound it way up an earth track.
Too any observer looking up the road it would just look like a ruined farm house. But if anyone dissobayed the signs saying "Tresspassers will be prosecuted" an armed gaurd dressed as a farmer would come out and scare them away. If they had got closer they would have wondered why there was only one wall and the earth seemed to drop away behind him. That was because the Kazaakisthan Special Forces base of operations had been sunk into the ground.
The men where already lined up in the armoury when Tai walked in.
"At ease men!"
The men relaxed and carried on cleaning there guns.
"Unfortunately Ross (prime minister) could not be with us on this mission as he has to attend to foreign affairs matters. So I am in command of this mission. You have all read the breifing so I will quickly run over it. The 12 of us will insert by Dragonfly SOC once we have inersted at this cove." He pointed to a small inlet on a map, that was projected nto the wall, with the butt of his rifle. "We will then move up the coast to this power station, which controls power to this sector of Independant Hitmen. ALthough a very small sector compared to the other power stations, a lot of military buildings are powered by this. Now, as you know all military buildings have back-up generators." As this was said the lights went out, but only a few seconds later a whirring sounded from undrneath them and the lights where back on. Tai always did things like this to prove a point, because... well because he could. After a while the whirring stopped and the lights got slightly brighter. "But a spy sent in by an allie as a army evaluator noted that the generators in a quarter of the buildings hadn't been checked in years and on closer inspection that most would either break or power very little."
Independent Hitmen
16-12-2003, 22:07
OOC: a little confused Kazaakisthan and Kazakhstania are seperate countries but are both attacking?
Independent Hitmen
16-12-2003, 22:08
OOC: a little confused Kazaakisthan and Kazakhstania are seperate countries but are both attacking?
No, Kazaksthania is defending you I am attacking.
Independent Hitmen
16-12-2003, 22:18
OOC: Ok dokey, i should pay more attention! My internet is messing up tonight so i dont think i will be able to post any more. Besides we need to wait for the rest of the nations to post before any more can be done :(
Super American VX Man
16-12-2003, 23:59
Super American VX Man
17-12-2003, 00:01
General Irving Ramel quickly checked the status of the forces engaging in the wargame. Their numbers, preparedness, training...everything. He decided that what was available would definitely do for the purposes of this excersize. He turned to his second in command, General Haller.
"It looks like we're good to go. Inform the other participants that we are in playing status. Now, let's quickly get a first move done. I want that beach scouted and obstacles, hazards, and defenses identified. If locationing can be done on any significant targets, I want that done as well. Send in three squads of Wet Shadows tonight. They will be dropped off and picked up at designated zones. They will have only three hours, if everything goes well, to search the landing sites. They must avoid conflict. Let's face it, as good as they may be, any small special forces team will be overrun by a large force with little difficulty...I want to see nothing of that sort. Mobilize the rest of the forces, and get a squadron of ground-attack aircraft ready to clear out what they can. Is all that clear?"
"Yes, sir. Anything else?"
"Hmm...get me the contact information of the top officers in our allies' forces. Beyond that, nothing else is needed."
"Understood."
Haller turned and walked out of the office, bearing the orders of SAVX's top general. Tonight, the games would begin, and Ramel was determined to win.
http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/toxicvalley/images/ramel.gif
-General Irving Ramel
Minister of Law and Defense
OOC: Forces
All infantry use the standard-issue M-16VXP and Combat Armor Mk.I
35,000 infantry
Optimum squad (24) armament: All frag grenades, 6 Modified GALATZes, 8 VX-AR3s, 4 M240MDP MGs, 2 ZHE launchers, 1 TOW, 1 Stinger
116 Special Forces
6 squads (4) of Wet Shadows: All silenced M-16VXPs in normal combat conditions, All silenced MP-5s in close combat conditions, 1 demolition with C4, 1 laser designator, 1 VXSR-1 Gauss Rifle
10 squads (8 ) of Grass Shadows: All frag grenades, All smoke grenades, one laser designator, 2 VXSR-1 Gauss Rifles, 1 M240MDP MG, 1 ZHE launcher
6 teams (2) of Ghost Shadows: 1 VXSR-1 Gauss Rifle, 2 VXHG-40 Gauss Pistols, 2 Supreme Camouflage Pack, optinally one laser designator
60 VXTTP Fast Attack Vehicles: Mountable with M240MDP MG, TOW launcher, heavy Stinger launcher, VX-FG2 Napalm Torch
50 M-20A7VX Cobra MBTs
20 M-52A3VX Behemoth Heavy Tanks
15 M-45A1VX Gauss Tanks
25 VX-A2 Missile Tanks
30 M-336A3VX Sorcerer Howitzers
25 M-350A1VX Firestorm Howitzers
20 AH-498VX Souix Heavy Gunship
6 F-100C Rattlesnakes
8 A-100B Copperheads
2 B-10A Pythons
1 Nimitz Class Carrier
2 Cruise Missile Destroyers
1 AEGIS AA Cruiser
4 Attack Submarines
Arribastan
17-12-2003, 03:09
The 1st and 2nd supercarrier fleets ((i'll get get stats tomorrow, i'm on the wrong comp)) were steaming towards southern USIH, to help fight off the invasion. they had been on standby, ready for a conflict, when the wargames began. they would be the first there, followed by 100,000 soldiers of the Marines (plus equipment), who would be flown in via C-5 Galaxy. (large cow on the side). the AAF (Arribastani Air Force) will, with USIH's permission, use 2 seperate airfields for staging grounds for air attacks. Arribastan will make our own if nescessary.
OOC: Here is my military force, relying heavily on stealth technology.
Valient Royal Guardsmen (Army)
40,000 men
200 Tracer (Tactical Reconnaissance Armoured Combat Equipment Requirements) stealth tanks
100 Mark-2 Heavy Tanks
100 Mark-1 Light Attack Tanks
100 ATR's (All Terrain Runners: Hummers)
Valient Royal Navy
5 Stealth Carriers (With 10 Stealth Fighters and 5 Stealth Choppers)
10 Heavy Cruisers (Destroyer Class)
10 Light Cruisers (Destoyer Escort Class)
Valient Royal Air Force
100 F/A-22 Stealth Fighters
100 RAH-66 Stealth Choppers
100 RC-B2 Stealth Bombers
I will join the war game when it is appropriate. Just one question. what is the secenario again? Just to be sure.
Kazakhstania
17-12-2003, 08:57
Id rather Valient did not take part in the wargame. Too future techy.
Independent Hitmen
17-12-2003, 15:26
Arribastan 3 airfields have been set aside for your use. Major-General Howard would like to meet with your overall commander as soon as possible so that we can talk strategy.
OOC: Also the objection against Valient has been noted. Umm there isnt any way you could field some tech stuff level with ours is there?
OOC2: Didnt realise we were going to use navys on that scale so i will put in 2 Nimitz's with escorts from my Home Defence Fleet into the battle.
I will post the men I am fielding below.
Click here for information on what the following troops are carrying and links to find out about different wepaons and so on (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=95612). I am mainly gonna run and prtotect supply lines but I will give an annitial assault from the waters.
All forces will arrive by navy except paratroopers who will obviously come by plane.
Ground Forces
30'000 Infantry men, Armed with AK-111 Assault Rifle (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2355733#2355733)
1'200 Paratroopers, being dropped in by 8 EA-80KZ Transport Planes (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38933&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
40 M-26 Main Battle Tank (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103133&highlight=)
75 M-22 Tank Destroyers (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101825&highlight=)
75 M-25 Advanced Amphibious Scout Vehicles (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102158&highlight=)
20 M-12 Infantary Fighting Vehicle (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98289&highlight=)
46 MLRS's
Navy
Flagship: KZS - NetForce (ooc: anyone else read Tom Clancy's book net force) KZS - NetForce is a Defiant class carrier. (http://fcns.heateddebate.org/ships.htm)
1 Bangle Class Attack Sub
1 Ohio Class Submarine
6 Delta Class Subs
6 Seal Class Destroyers
4 Ros Class Frigates
2 Juniper Class Cruisers
10 EM-150 Dolphin Amphibious Assault Ship
1 Dragonfly-class SOC
Air
8 EA-80KZ Transport Planes with carpet bombing attachement. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38933&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
1 Russian Antonov AN-124-100 Cargo Plane
6 F-22's
42 MA-10 Fighters
10 TA-13 Fighters
[b]Support (support will be given to all allies)
Support Are(all support are armed with G36 except the naval mechanics who have MP5N):
67'645 Medics
9'765 Chefs
Drivers:
513 Munitions Drivers
596 Equipment and Food Drivers
Mechanics:
Naval 85'890
Vehicle 23'467
Air 17'872
1,000 M1030 M1 Motorcycles (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62566&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
1100 Supply Trucks
400 Km of barbed wire
Independent Hitmen
17-12-2003, 22:22
Lieutenant Atkinson walked into the living part of his bunker. The walls were standard army grey and the beds were all bunks that looked like they had seem better days. He had had his men pulling 6 hour guard shifts on the firing level, the games could start any time now. He climbed up the ladder into the firing level. The cieling was over 8 ft high because of the step to the firing ports. Here he could see the big weapons already set up and waiting. There were two big hatches in the concrete roof from which LAW's could be fired and in the corner was a big Army radio, on constantly and in connection with the artillery battery to the rear.
Private Jenkins was on duty with Corporal Anderson. Jenkins had his Nightvision goggles on and was moving his head from side to side searching the surround while Anderson was hovering near an M60.
At his HQ 45 Miles away Major-General Howard was looking at the map of the area. His tanks were well back, protected by Patriots and F-15s, and his navy liason officer had told him that 2 Nimitz Carriers were coming into the area to protect the coastline. Hopefully their aircraft would damage the enemy forces when they attempted to land and their submarines could "kill" some of the support ships. He turned as Colonel Jenkins, commanding his rotary aircraft , walked in.
"Sir, my troops are as near to 100% as we are going to get them"
"Excellent, Colonel i need to put some special ops people in when we see them land, and ill need some of your choppers to do some ferrying around."
"Roger that Sir, my apache drivers are anxious for some action!"
"Bet they are Colonel but first i need you to ferry some Electrical Engineers to the military base. We havnt checked the generators for years or something. Anyway, when they come we are going to hit them with a full air assualt on ships and ground forces. Im going now to talk with the friendlies on this scenario about troops dispositions. Your getting some more Blackhawks down soon, the enemy have a few too many for us to take on as we are." He rubbed his hands together "Im getting some more MLRS's" he smiled like a child having just got exactly what he wanted.
Kazakhstania
17-12-2003, 22:32
The F/A-41's coasted over the water near IH aerospace, on constant patrol. Today they were further out than they should be, but hell, it was worth it. The view was magnificent, and you could see for miles in the clear daylight. They were on patrol in the no fly zone, which was being ignored by every passing aircraft but they didnt have the balls to do anything about it.
Down near the beaches, several KA-60's sauntered about. They all held airborne troops on patrol. Today, one was dropping some field engineers off at the powerplants for civilian duty, and the other was flying to IH. It had an officer inside, a very senior one. They had been told to act like normal until the shooting started, ut hell, they were too excited.
A C-145 that carried a bridelayer sauntered by the C-145's inbound on IH. There was a flattened bridge near the supply and coastal defense lines, and a bridge needed to be put there. There were also several Spec Ops, who would stay in IH and monitor the situation.
They were as well defended as they could be with that many troops and aircraft, and felt thay could take on the world. To prove they meant business, some of their flashy new, F-42's were going to go right over IH aerospace and see if they noticed (beacons off of course) and some A-15's were gonna do live munitions target practice on the beaches. It was gonna be great.
Arribastan
17-12-2003, 22:38
IC: the 200 C-5s will begin their runs now.
OOC: here are the facts on troops:
2 Super carrier battle groups, each consisting of:
10 cruisers
10 frigates
15 anti-sub destroyers
5 guided missile destroyers
30 tankers
1 Battleship
2 carriers, each with:
40 su37K carrier launch fighters
5 sea stallion helos
10 F/A 18F hornets
10 Prowlers
10 Intruders
10 Hawkeyes
1 super carrier with:
40 su37K carrier launch fighters
40 F/A 18F hornets
10 prowlers
5 Intruders
10 Hawkeyes
5 Sea stallions
9 modified wasp, with
20 Sea Stallions
2,000 marines.
30 LSDs. (not involved with wasp) each with:
5 Abrams
10 modified hummers
100 f-22 raptors (fighters)
50 B-2 Spirit (Bombers)
50 C-5 Galaxies (Transport)
10 E-3 Sentries (AWACS)
10 Molniya-2 (bombers)
200 JF-20 (fighters)
50 B-1B (bombers)
the following will be transported by airplane:
100,000 men with MP-5/MG-3/SR40/Desert Eagles
1,000 XT-V-15 tank
250 HI-58 heli
250 M-12 IFV
500 KL-77 combat-transport heli
250 KL-60 Multi-role assault heli
250 KL-65 Armed recon heli
250 KL-55 Sabre hevy gunship heli
18,000 support personnel
Independent Hitmen
18-12-2003, 13:09
OOC: Youre still defending right??
IC: AWAC's aircraft were up to suplement the IH Coastal Radar Chain. They had been tracking multiple "enemies" as they flew near to the IH coast. These tracks were forwarded to Patriot Batteries along the coast, which didnt light up there target radar but tracked the planes waiting for them to come into USIH Airspace.
12 F-16s that were on guard duty for the AWAC's aircraft were ordered nearer to the coast, but without using there own radars and using the "take" from the AWACs they were unknown to the enemy if they wernt using a high powered radar.
Kazakhstania
18-12-2003, 16:17
The F/A-41's off the Coast got pinged rather violently by the AWACS radar, and turned their ECM sensitivity down. They then broadcast their intent to patrol the no-fly zone and IH's borders.
"This is Yankee Lead, premission to sweep in over you ground oukes and give you a little airshow, over?"
They then waited for a reply. The helicopters neared their landing point, as the repair helicopter landed at the power plants.
Super American VX Man
19-12-2003, 02:57
As dusk was just coming to an end, the relatively silent speedboat, with three rubber rafts attached to it for the Wet Shadow squads' use in reaching the island, left an SAVXian port, speeding towards the coast of IH. The men were a bit jittery, but they were also confident in their abilities, and were determined to carry out the mission; nothing more, nothing less. Any more would bring unwanted attention, any less would be unsatisfactory, and they would be ridiculed by their comrades for months to come. The sun seemed to rapidly advance beyond the horizon, and the sky went dark within an hour. They had been preparing for weeks, and now was the chance to put their training to "work".
OOC: Quick review. What are the teams?
OOC: I'm still a peacekeeper, but considering that no action has yet been initiated, my RP will just wait until it works.
OOC2: Yes, we can definately pare down out tech levels. I believe that the only thing that elevates my level is my Stealth Tech. For all of our tanks, jets and naval cruisers, we always have the choice of never engaging stealth mode anyways. However, we can disable it for the duration of this war game if you all wish.
Valient
Kazakhstania
19-12-2003, 14:41
OOC: Cool, Valient
IC: The KA-60 landed at the power generators, and hopped out.
Meanwhile, the other helicopter landed at the main Military Buildings near the beach, and the head officer hopped out.
A black boat left the fleet a went top speed towards a secluded part of the coast. The reason it was secloded: Sheer cliff face.
This is going to be one hell of a challenge thought Mike Slakes.
The boat cut through the waves like a knife through butter. It was a dragonfly - SOC. Very small radar cross-section, great for inserting small forces of 12 men (excluding driver) too remote destinations where thermal imaging wasn't use.
"30 Seconds!" It was the coxwain. As the boat stopped the men dived off the boat using there berghens (wrapped in polythene a bag) as flotation aids.
The men came to shore and began there climb, 124 feet up. They climbed with relative ease as there where many holes along the way. Once they where at the top they moved off quickly through the long grass to the major power station. Fortunately for them the power station was only gaurded by one man. Who was knocked out with chlorafill. They moved into there chossen locations and planted there 'packages' of C4. They ran back down to the cliff. Suddenly they saw a man with Kazaksthanian uniform on. The first man raised his silenced gun and pulled the trigger. The raced back to the cliff and into the awaiting boat. As they drove off there where muffled booms, but over the top of it the could here choppers closing in. They whent full speed away from IH.
Kazakhstania
19-12-2003, 18:53
The Kazakhstanian team leader fell 'dead', his MILES telling him he'd been shot. He cursed and lay down. Several team members saw him fall, and ran over to see. They attached silencers to ehir AK-111's and lay prone. One readied their LAR-91 SAW, another their M203.
One radioed the KA-60, which swept back round, and down to the cliffs. They then saw the boat with their Thermal Goggles and Night Vision Imagers, and dived down, chasing it. As they swept over it, the door gunners opened fire with their M134 miniguns, and the snipers with SR-25's. The helo swept round to cut them off, leaving the troops on their own for a while. The remaining troops took cover.
The first hail of bullets danced on the hull but full of harmlessly, but then the coxwain so one hit the top of the armour, and penetrate.
"SH** The top of our hull is week, and its just where the ammunition is stored."
One of the men pulled out the only wepaon they had against ariel attacks. A stinger missile launcher and 3 missiles.
He fired it at the helicopter, He couldn't see weather it hit as at that moment another bullet hit from the helicopter and swayed the boat. Or was it a peice of helicopter?
What the helicopter pilots didn't know was that only 2 NM east (the direction they where heading) was the fleet of ships. Including 3 cruisers. They only hoped they would reach there in time. Another barage of bullets smashed into the hull.
Kazakhstania
19-12-2003, 19:39
[i]The helicopter was really pissed off. The Stinger had only just missed the helo, and they were gonna get shot down if they fired again. the snipers targetted the guy with the Stinger, and the M134 minigun opened upp full auto non stop on the boat. Then, they turned to face the boat, and the pilot selected the AT-15 Air to Ground missiles, just like Hellfired. They were laser guided, and right now the laser was pointed millimeter perfect at the engine.
The helicopter balanced, and they let off 4 missiles.
OOC: Remember, these bad boys are laser accurate, and can take out tanks.
Cheif of defence Tai Pyro was the first to see the missils. Then everything went white.
OOC: I am now withdrawing from the RP, as my cheif is dead and without him I cannot carry on, succesfully and I will need to to find a new general.
Kazakhstania
19-12-2003, 20:03
Wow wow wow.
Dont withdraw!!
There is always a second in charge.
Super American VX Man
20-12-2003, 05:52
The rubber rafts disembarked from the boat, the Shadows silently paddeling their way to the less-guarded rocky shores. Upon landing, they quickly covered the rafts in camoflauge netting, making them seem like just another seaweed-covered rock. The squads quickly broke up into their three groups and spread out, preparing to engage in their mapping mission. They would be the key to finding the exact locations of obstacles, defenses, and weak points. They would serve, for now, as the eyes of the SAVXian assault force.
Kazakhstania
20-12-2003, 10:11
After tonights attack, the Kazakhstanian's are doing more patrols along the beaches. We have therefore decided to do more helicopter based patrols along the beaches and cliffs, on a 50 mile long stretch. There will be 5 helicopter up at any one time, starting now.
We don't have a second in charge... we only just took power away from anarchy...and we where planning ot to get into conflicts, as our prime minister and Cheif of Defence are key members of our special forces team.
Independent Hitmen
20-12-2003, 14:25
Hmm so ur out for a while then??
Valient ur in thanx for understanding an turnin the stealth off.
Lets all remember that we are using MILES gear and not shootin real miniguns at each other! I just wanna make sure that nobody dies!!! :P
IC:
A small Radar Centre about 4 Miles East of Tadworth picked up some blobs on the radar. Immeadiately the operator called for the duty officer. The officer looked at the screen for a second and picked up his radio mic.
"Red River three, this is Eagle Eye One we have large number of surface contacts One Four clicks South of us. Over."
"Roger that Eagle Eye, whats the count Over?"
"We have at least Ten, probably three cruisers and one large transport or carrier."
"Roger that, keep us informed."
"Roger"
The Captain at the Regional Command HQ put his reciever down. He quickly called all the radio operators together.
"Ok boys we have a fleet sighted 12 clicks South East of Eagle Eye 2. I want the Command HQ and most importantly the Navy informed of this and its position. Also Corporal Hendrix i want you to radio all of the Bunkers to keep an extra guard up and then run to that SAM battery down the road and tell them to get ready."
"Roger that Sir, im on it" Replied the Corporal.
Nearly 100 Miles away Task Force 17 was sitting in port. The Nimitz Class Carrier and her escorts were preparing to go to sea. Already 2 Los Angeles 688 Class SSN's were out at sea trying to find the enemy and another 1 was guarding the enterance to the harbour.
Admiral Dave Seaton was commanding this Task Force. He had under his command a Nimitz, USIHS Phantom, 1 Enterprise Class Carrier, USIHS Robert.D.Wren, 4 Kidd Class Destroyers, 2 Ticonderoga Destroyers, 2 ARLEIGH BURKE guided missile cruisers, 2 Los Angeles SSN's and 1 Ohio SSBN. As well as multiple support ships he had a two Fleet Oiler's to top off the bunkers of his conventional powered escorts whilst they were at sea.
He had just recieved the communication with the enemy fleets position and had ordered for preparations to leave to be sped up. He was onboard the Phantom in his command cabin and although this was the flagship of the Task Force, most of the planning was being done aboard the Robert.D.Wren on the next pier. This would mean frequent helicopter trips between the two carriers unless of course he was to transfer the flag which he was unwilling to do.
He walked up to the tower and nodded to Captain Gringer who was preparing his ship for sea. He looked out the tower window and through the driving rain he could see 2 Destroyers steaming out to sea in preparation for the fleets movement.
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooh... i'm back in then... who else new we where only using MILES gear?
Also how are we using missiles and rockets if we're using MILES?
"Captain we are picking up one nimitz size ships leaving IH and two Los Angeles 688 Class SSN's scouting around."
"Are the LA's in different places?"
"No there both together.... wait there splitting up"
"Ok... get naval control on the radio and find out the radar range of one of those. Once you know this wait until there that far apart... then attack one of them Condense all fire power to the mjor areas. Get that ship destoryed before reinforcements come. Then destory the second one."
"Yes Sir!"
Kazakhstania
20-12-2003, 18:23
"We have a major naval conflit going on off the coast sir. And we can't do a thing."
"Hmm, thats how it seems. I think we have several options, actually."
"What?"
"Either do a Spec Ops raid on one of the ships, use C4's fixed with MILES to bleep her. Or, we could use all our current A-15's to launch Harpoons."
"I like the A-15 option. Quite risky, but we could easily pull it off."
"Get the A-15's ready, lets draw up a plan...."
*Air Base*
On the runway, 24 (two squadrons) of A-15 Raiden Ground Ataack Fighters are getting rigged up to fly out. They all sit in their harderened bunkers, and slung, 4 on each plane in the bomb bays, are Harpoon Anti Ship Missiles.
OOC:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98620&highlight=
A-15
Independent Hitmen
20-12-2003, 18:33
"Captain we are picking up one nimitz size ships leaving IH and two Los Angeles 688 Class SSN's scouting around."
"Are the LA's in different places?"
"No there both together.... wait there splitting up"
"Ok... get naval control on the radio and find out the radar range of one of those. Once you know this wait until there that far apart... here comes the tricky bit. Get all the marines kitted up with full assault gear. Send out the hovercraft with 1000 marines on.... Then bord the ship. Take the ship for our own. Then try it with the second ship. It will give us a strategic advantage over them."
"But sir thats nearly impossible."
"No its not. Its completely impossible... Thats why we're doing it."
OOC: Ok NO. You could not pick up the los angeles and it is the dead of night but ill say u picked up the Nimitz by fluke or sumin.
Kazakhstania
20-12-2003, 18:36
OOC: I agree, I dont think so.
OOC: I've changed my post. Sorry I don't know much about military. I know loads about special forces. But most of the things I know about normal military is from what I read in NS
Arribastan
20-12-2003, 19:23
OOC: i've modified my supercarrier battle groups. here they are.
each contains:
5 cruisers
10 frigates
10 anti-sub destroyers
5 guided missile destroyers (i'm serious, thats how many it should have)
220 support ships
1 Battleship
2 carriers, each with:
40 su37K carrier launch fighters
5 sea stallion helos
10 F/A 18F hornets
10 Prowlers
10 Intruders
10 Hawkeyes
1 super carrier with:
40 su37K carrier launch fighters
40 F/A 18F hornets
10 prowlers
5 Intruders
10 Hawkeyes
5 Sea stallions
9 modified wasp, with
20 Sea Stallions
2,000 marines.
30 LSDs. (not involved with wasp) each with:
5 GT-1
10 modified hummers
IC: the ANS Margolis, a ticonderoga-class cruiser, was sailing point surface radar operations postition (PSROP), when it detected an enemy ship.
"sir, we have radar contact"
"tell the admiral"
the admiral was drinking coffee in his cabin when he recieved the message.
"send up 2 recon birds. we gotta find out the size of this fleet."
"yessir"
the two E2-C hawkeyes, followed closely by four Su-37k's, sped into the sky. they began their radar scoping from far away, doing run after run, so they would know immediately when they were in range.
"when you get in range, pull out if they send up any fighters."
"yessir"
"we've got something"
"find out what it is, and then get the hell outta there!"
"got it, sir"
"we've got 3 cruisers, but that's all i can see. i think its Kazaakisthan's ships"
"then leave. now!"
the airplanes headed back towards the carriers at a leisurely pace...
Ten MA-10 (http://fcns.heateddebate.org/planes.htm) fighters launched off the defiant class carrier and darted into the sky. They where quickly behind cloud cover and racing after Arrabistans planes. They dropped out of the cloud cover and launched a suprise attack on the six planes.
The planes let loose one AA-3E Air to Air Missiles (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87195&highlight=) each. The AA-3E is a devestating Air-Air missile, they are a combat proven pair, and have shot down 12 F-22's with only 3 losses.
Arribastan
20-12-2003, 20:14
OOC: (we would have detected the attack. E-2C has awesome radar)
IC: "there's some enemy aircraft following us"
"top speed! tell the carriers to launch fighters!"
each Nimitz-class carrier launched two, and each Arbalan-class Supercarrier launched 4. now an additional 16 fighters were in the air, vectoring at top speed for the E2-Cs, making a total of 20 Su-37Ks to take down 10 enemies. the carriers readied an extra 16 on the launchers, and they were being armed when the first 16 came in to the action.
one E2-C and 2 fighters were already down, and the last E2-C was trailing smoke from the suprise attack, with the remaining 2 Su-37Ks in a viscious dogfight with whatever remained of the 10 enemies.
the new fighters jumped into the fray, with 4 AIM-120s each, in addition to the 2 AIM-9's. the lead plane took a missle shot that blew away his wing, and he ejected to be picked up later.
the next pilot was not so lucky. he took a missle up the nose, decimating his cockpit before he had the chance to eject. the remaining fourteen took a decisive vengance for the death of their comrades, each firing every single AIM-120 they had, and praying that the automated missles would hit. (that's 48 AIM-120s)
the remaining 16 ( the two that weren't shot down) fled the scene of the destruction, ready to come back for their lost pilot later, in the dead of night, with the help of a Seawolf-class submarine.
OOC: Arrabistan each of the ten planes carrys four of these missiles. Go to the link I provided aboutt he missiles. Then go to the page about the MA-10's.
The planes are all stealth planes plus the fat we are at night in heavy cloud.
Also there are many miles between your carriers and mine. Mine are only 78 miles from my coast. Our missiles would have dessimted your six planes and might have had time to get back to our carrier.
When they intercepted the enemy call for back-up they called for back-up.
"This is red-fox two come in basket three (carrier) we need back-up."
"Roger that, back-up on the way."
The other 32 MA-10's launched off the carrier within minutes. As the pilots drew nearer the dogfight one of them noticed the ejected pilot...
"This is red-fox one. We have enemy ejection."
"Roger that pick-up on its way."
A small inflatable dinghy almost undetectable to radar. Not that there would be much radar to detect it out here. Raced towards the ejected man. When they arrived he was bobbing around on the calm night seas. He was hauled into the boat at gun point and shackled up. The boat raced back to the shores where the man was taken by jeep to the special forces base.
Super American VX Man
20-12-2003, 20:40
General Ramel grabbed the report, complete with the maps drawn by the Wet Shadow teams. He looked at them for a bit, before giving orders to Haller.
"Commence air-bombardment of the beaches. Knock out coastal guns and, if possible, the anti-tank obstacles. Light defenses can be handled upon the invasion. Prepare our carrier group as well, and get them within bombardment range of the coastline. Go."
The Kazaakisthan fleet prepared to join up with the Super American VX Man fleet as soon as there remaing planes had returned.
OOC: Arribastan that was bad rp, you posted your losses really low for 40 heat, thermal, radar and laser guided missiles. And you sort of posted my losses.
Kazakhstania
20-12-2003, 20:58
At the Kazakhstania held air force base, the An-225 and all the cargo's headed out. Loaded to the brim with troops and vehicles, they took off, each escorted by every available fighter. But, already in the air, 24 A-15's loaded with Anti-Ship missiles and 12 F-42's laoded with AA-3F missiles headed to the Kaazakhstaan fleet. The A-15's flew ow, 50 feet off the water. The F-42's flew high. Then, when they were 250km away from the AWAC's over the fleet, let off 2 AA-3F's each. Thats is roughly 6 missiles to each AWAC's belonging to Kaazakhsthaan.
The A-15's continued to fly in low in a very spread formation, and the F-42's tunred back to patrol the runway, and guard the troops remaining at the airport. All cargos' headed in VERY low, to IH.
The men didn't bother launching many of them jumped into the sa and where later rescued by lifeboats. The rest where 'killed' by Kazaksthanias troops.
Kazakhstania
20-12-2003, 21:26
The A-15's continues their attack run, now only 150km away from the cruisers.....
Meanwghile, of the 120 planes escorting, 50 tunred. Once the closed to 300km, they fired 4 missiles each out of 6 on each planes. Primary targets were the AWAC's, then the F-32's, then TA-13's. Also, they were suing the A-15's as AWAC's, which lit up now and then every minute to scan the fighters. Some MA-10's were lit up, and missiles fired at them.
The remainign fighters at the base were scrambled and so were the AWAC's.
The remaining men quit and took the fleet back home. They had seen how good there enemy where, and luckily in this situation there was no need to carry on fighting. They opened up a radio frequency to all nations taking part.
"Kazaakisthan is Dead."
There was a long bleep in all the control centres as everyone turned off there miles kit (or in some cases shot themselves for fun.) and handed the kit in.
I am staying n but only as a neutral country supplying all troops. Once any troop enters the supply area there is now attackinh him/her. As they might be there just to fix there MILES equipment so attacking them would be quite pointless anyway.
Arribastan
20-12-2003, 22:30
The Kazaakisthan fleet prepared to join up with the Super American VX Man fleet as soon as there remaing planes had returned.
OOC: Arribastan that was bad rp, you posted your losses really low for 40 heat, thermal, radar and laser guided missiles. And you sort of posted my losses.OOC: actually, i didn't realize there were 40 missles. say all of them got shot down. (and when i said the scene of destruction, i was referring to my losses.)
semi-IC: Arribastan would like to have our pilot back. if he's in bad condition when we get him back, you can consider us to be in a full-fleged war, instead of a mere wargame.
IC: 16 more Su-37's went into CAP, the remaining airplanes returned to the carriers with and the CBG began steaming full speed towards USIH shores, to help with the defense. they radioed ahead.
"there's been a minor skirmish, but we'll be there within the day to help defend. we are still in the origional force, just down some planes."
OOC2/EDIT: i guess you're done. well then, i'll have to fix the post.
Your pilot has been kept in a five star hotel. He has requested leave for another day to finnish his holiday.
But anyway we are neutral now.
Kazakhstania
21-12-2003, 10:53
The Cargo planes are now asking for somewhere to land. They are filled to the brim with vehicles and troops to defend the beaches. Also, our aircraft are looking for several large airfields, and so are the cargo's. They will leave soon, and return with more troops, escorted by the remaining fighters.
Also, we wish to bring in our entire force that we detailed before the wargame began. Thankyou.
Our engineers have made a temporary airstrip. The defenders may use this.
Independent Hitmen
21-12-2003, 16:38
The Cargo planes are now asking for somewhere to land. They are filled to the brim with vehicles and troops to defend the beaches. Also, our aircraft are looking for several large airfields, and so are the cargo's. They will leave soon, and return with more troops, escorted by the remaining fighters.
Also, we wish to bring in our entire force that we detailed before the wargame began. Thankyou.
You may use the Largest Air Force base in the South of the Country, Nova Air Force Base. It has 6 runways and over 100km squared of sealed area that is easily defensible as its on a plateau. I have marines in MILES gear there as they are guarding nuclear weapons.(For this wargame the actual weapons have been moved out of the proposed combat zone.)
OOC: Wow people you posted a lot there :) as i wasnt on :( ill just say that i left the battle to my allies in this conflict. However now that you are closing in my carriers will start moving out and comencing flight operations (ill post that bit later). Also im rienforcing my air force for these games coz i didnt realise that evry1 had soo much!!!
Arribastan
21-12-2003, 17:47
The carrier groups have arrived at USIH shores to help the defenses. the tanks, hummers, and marines on my landing ships will commence landing immediately.
the pilot may finish his vacation, but then he will be picked up by a helicopter. thank you, and good day.
Kazakhstania
21-12-2003, 20:02
Thanks are passed to IH for the airfield.
The cargo's have landed and dropped off troops, which are now on their way to defend the coastal areas with fewer defenses.
The shall return soon with the remaining troops. All the rest are inbound and will be at the airfield by tommorow. This means total force deployment.
We ask the defenders where they would like help. Also, IH, are you taking part in the wargame?
Independent Hitmen
22-12-2003, 12:07
Thanks are passed to IH for the airfield.
The cargo's have landed and dropped off troops, which are now on their way to defend the coastal areas with fewer defenses.
The shall return soon with the remaining troops. All the rest are inbound and will be at the airfield by tommorow. This means total force deployment.
We ask the defenders where they would like help. Also, IH, are you taking part in the wargame?
Yeah i am, its just i figured that those combats were far beyond my shores as we had aircraft launching from home nations etc so i stayed out of them. My fleet was getting its advanced MILES gear fitted and is no preparing to go to sea.
I will telegram you with my defensive arrangements.
Kazakhstania
22-12-2003, 12:28
Some of the more experienced troops backed by Spec Ops teams are making their way to construct makeshift defenses in the eastern beaches. My tanks, IFV's and Artillery are digging in further back, and air force are again on constant patrol.
Expect the lines to be reinforced later today by the bulk of my troops, and a huge air presence from me.
Independent Hitmen
23-12-2003, 15:16
USIHS Phantom sailed out of the harbour after her escorts. The only ship left in port was the Robert.D.Wren and that was moving slowly as it came into the main channel following the Phantom.
At sea the escorts were forming up. Two of the Missile Cruisers had their AEGIS radars up and pumping out millions of watts. There were ASW helicopters in the air heading out to drop sonar bouys infront of the Los Angeles SSN's to help them detect any hiden enemy boats. In two days they would rendevous with the USIHS Edginton Carrier Battle Group and then would begin searching for the enemy fleets. That is if they didnt find the carriers before that.
The deck of the Phantom was littered with planes. There were 2 F-14s and an E2-C Hawkeye, or Hummer as they were called by the aviators, sitting on the catapults, ready to launch as soon as the carrier was up to speed and in the wind. Immeadiately behind the catapults stood another 2 F-14s and a Prowler equipped for airbourne tanking duties. All around the deck men in brightly coloured shirts were moving around checking this and that. Some pulled safety pins out of the missiles hanging off the planes on the catapults as others finished fueling up the Prowler. The rain lashed the deck but thankfully there was very little wind so flight operations would not be seriously impeeded.
Below on the flight deck the ships complement of FA-18 Hornets sat along with the rest of the F-14s that were preparing to move to the flight deck via the elevators. Inside was also another E2-C that was undergoing minor repairs on its engines and 8 other Prowlers. Half of them were armed for Electronic Warfare whilst the others had fuel tanks and hoses on the wings. If necesary either arrangement could be changed for the other in under an hour. The FA-18s were armed with 4 Harpoon Air-Surface Missiles and 2 Pheonix Long Range Air-Air Missiles each. The F-14s had 4 Pheonixs and 4 Sidewinders. But sitting to the right of the hanger was the ships most prized assets, 12 F-22S Sea Raptors. There internal bays had 6 AMRAAM Missiles and 2 Sidewinders and there extra stealth appearance would make them even harder to detect on radar.
Above the carrier flying protection were 6 Land Based F-22s and 4 F-15E's with an AWACs aircraft providing radar coverage. The AEGIS cruisers were running test senarios on the planes as they flew to test the systems one last time. Also above were 4 P-3 Orion ASW aircraft. These were armed with 8 Mk46 Torpedoes and 2 Harpoon Anti-Ship Missiles each in addition to the 87 SonarBouys and were operating with the carrier until her own S-3's arrived aboard.
Kazakhstania
23-12-2003, 15:21
I was gonn say "return of the AA-3" but of course Kaazakhstan isnt here :?
I got the technology from FC :D
Independent Hitmen
23-12-2003, 15:23
I was gonn say "return of the AA-3" but of course Kaazakhstan isnt here :?
I got the technology from FC :D
I hate FC. :P lol only joking although his tech was annoying in that war and i was plannin on buying some.
Kazakhstania
23-12-2003, 15:25
Hehe.
It is a good missile, you gotta say :)
Why i bought it. And now its in F version, i believe.
Independent Hitmen
23-12-2003, 15:26
Hehe.
It is a good missile, you gotta say :)
Why i bought it. And now its in F version, i believe.
yeah it is. I think i bought a load before he closed his shop to me (i also bought a carrier from him).as no one else is on atm im gonna play Counter-Strike for a while.
Kazakhstania
23-12-2003, 15:27
I cant wait for the attack.
Enjoy your game.
Independent Hitmen
23-12-2003, 15:29
I cant wait for the attack.
Enjoy your game.
Thanks. Neither can i hehehehe there will be a lot of harpooning :P. We can discuss our attacks later on ok?
Kazakhstania
23-12-2003, 15:31
Ok.
I just realised the sheer number of things I sell :shock:
Independent Hitmen
24-12-2003, 14:46
Ok i may have to mobilize a lot of my forces to get involved with a war that some friends of mine are involved in. Therefore the war games may need to be paused over this festive period while i sought things out over there.
Kazakhstania
24-12-2003, 14:53
Awww well.
It quiet anyway.
Independent Hitmen
24-12-2003, 15:33
Its very quiet thats why, nobody but us would realise that they had been paused. I dont even no much about this war i only moved regions about 30mins ago! lol.
Kazakhstania
24-12-2003, 15:38
Hehe.
Its been rubbish since Kaazakhstan dropped out.
Kazaakisthan has dicided to re-join the conlfict for the hell of it.
Our fleet of ships is once again in the waters and heading straight for the coast.
"Full speed to the coast!"
The waves pummeled the smaller ships but that didn't matter at the moment. So far it had been quiet but there was more air activity near the coast, this time they had came prepared with 17 cruisers.
Kazakhstania
24-12-2003, 15:54
Just inside the coast, a wing of 6 F/A-41's patrol the skies. They have been doing circles for an hour, and are looking for something to shoot at. Then, their radars pick up the enemy cruisers off the coast.
"This is Eagle Eye 4, we got Ferrari's off the coast."
"Roger, RTB. Golden Sword will get 'em. Refuel with the Hose and get a vector from the Hummer before landind."
"Eh...roger. RTB."
With that, the F/A-41's break, and return to refuel with the Il-76 refueler.
After 20 minutes, 5 Tu-160 Bmobers are in the air. At 270km away, they open bomb bay doors and fire off 4 Tomahawk Anti Ship Missiles each, at the cruisers. They are escorted by F-42's, which scan for aircaft. Then, they return to base, all 250km away.
"This is Eagle one we have five seagulls on a direct course, we suspect they plan to birdshit us."
"Ok eagle."
The anti-air and missile guns started firing up at the dots shown on there radar. A total of 29 missiles where fired
Independent Hitmen
24-12-2003, 17:20
"This is Eagle one we have five seagulls on a direct course, we suspect they plan to birdshit us."
"Ok eagle."
The anti-air and missile guns started firing up at the dots shown on there radar. A total of 29 missiles where fired
Festive Overkill.
Onboard the USIHS Entrepid torpedo tubes 1-3 were loaded with Harpoon Anti-Ship Missiles while tube 4 retained its MK.48 Torpedo. The three tubes were flooded and readied as the cruisers approached the silent stationary submarine.
BTW, IH I have the follwoing subs,10 EM-220 "Tigershark" (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92827&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=),70 Zulu Class Mini-Sub (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107766&highlight=), 40 Bangle Class Attack Sub, 40 Ohio Class Submarine, 6 Delta Class Subs (http://fcns.heateddebate.org)
Independent Hitmen
24-12-2003, 18:09
BTW, IH I have the follwoing subs,10 EM-220 "Tigershark" (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92827&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=),70 Zulu Class Mini-Sub (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107766&highlight=), 40 Bangle Class Attack Sub, 40 Ohio Class Submarine, 6 Delta Class Subs (http://fcns.heateddebate.org)
Holy Shite thats one hellva lot of submarines! Are you sure u can afford em all, especially 40 Ohios!
Kazakhstania
24-12-2003, 18:17
OOC: From 250km away!!!
Bit of godmodding for guns and missiles there :shock:
And post losses for the....20 Tomahawks fired.
Ever heard hat planes can fire and then TURN away???
IC: "This golden sword, we got missiles inbound, look like AAM-3E's, over."
"Right boys. Bo,bers, turn and go supersonic, no emittions. F-42's, make sure your heard, knacker them in a down dive. The missiles are weak there."
"Roger."
With that, the bombers dived and went supersonic, their wings swinging back. The fighters did everything they could to make radar contact.
The missiles came in, and a total of 10 targetted the fighters, and engaged them in heatseeking mode. The fighters turned in max G's, and lost the missiles which were big and bulky. 9 were lost by flares emitted by the fighters, and the remining 10 went for the bombers. The lead bombers were soon out of the missiles fuel rage, so contact was lost. That leaft 4 missiles, which struck down 3 aircraft.
The Tomahawks continued to fly in low.
IH: I have friends which are big sea-faring nations and I made them websites. And they gave me a lot but I bought a lot more.
"Sir we've losted two cruisers and a destroyer, and another cruiser is badly damaged."
"Ok start air patrols continuous the heaviest we have. Back them up with AWACS and have bombers on complete standby. ANy enemy ships come in get them airborne."
"Shit. Sir theres a sub for some rason we hadn't picked it up yet on radar and no one got a visual of it."
"Attack with everything we need to use."
Seven AS-3F missiles launched out of there tubes
IH: I have friends which are big sea-faring nations and I made them websites. And they gave me a lot but I bought a lot more.
"Sir we've losted two cruisers and a destroyer, and another cruiser is badly damaged."
"Ok start air patrols continuous the heaviest we have. Back them up with AWACS and have bombers on complete standby. ANy enemy ships come in get them airborne."
"Shit. Sir theres a sub for some rason we hadn't picked it up yet on radar and no one got a visual of it."
"Attack with everything we need to use."
Seven AS-3F missiles launched out of there tubes
IH: I have friends which are big sea-faring nations and I made them websites. And they gave me a lot but I bought a lot more.
"Sir we've losted two cruisers and a destroyer, and another cruiser is badly damaged."
"Ok start air patrols continuous the heaviest we have. Back them up with AWACS and have bombers on complete standby. ANy enemy ships come in get them airborne."
"Shit. Sir theres a sub just appeared for some reason we hadn't picked it up yet on radar and no one got a visual of it."
"Attack with everything we need to use."
Seven Mk. 48 ADCAP's launched out of there tubes straight at the submarine.
Independent Hitmen
25-12-2003, 00:30
Ok my sub would not appear on ur sonar for any reason currently its just sitting the the bottom waiting.