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Aquilla
16-12-2003, 04:41
Aquilla wishes for 10 new aircraft carriers and 50 submarines to be built for them. Post specs, cost, and build time, also any special features you put on.
Layarteb
16-12-2003, 04:49
Aquilla wishes for 10 new aircraft carriers and 50 submarines to be built for them. Post specs, cost, and build time, also any special features you put on.

We can offer Improved Nimitz-class carriers @ 4.5B each and either 688/I, Seawolf, or Virginia class SSNs. 688/Is are 900M each, Seawolves are 2.8B each, and Virginias are 2.11B each. Delivery time for the carrier is 21 RL days and the subs take 10 RL days. But since this would be building bulk and I can get the sectors of my empire running at 110% I can probably delivery each carrier in 15 RL days and each sub after 3 RL days.

They are all pretty standard stuff. Carriers have Rolling Airframe Missile systems.

May we also offer the Twin Towers Coastal PB?

http://fire.prohosting.com/layarteb/index.htm
Aquilla
17-12-2003, 04:35
Bump
Communist Rule
17-12-2003, 04:37
If you're interested in an SSBN, check the top of

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101272&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Doujin
17-12-2003, 05:01
Doujinshi Corporation Naval Division at your service. We have the most advanced naval fleet in NS. All featuring Trimaran Hull designs, check us out.. you won't be disappointed.

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/dsig.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100828)
Western Asia
17-12-2003, 05:08
My AC Carriers follow the theory that it is better to buy several smaller, faster, and capable carriers over a single large AC carrier with limited range and intervention capabilities. These aircraft carriers use the Trimaran hull form that has made GINY a famous warship producer. These hull forms allow for greater speeds and survivability in warships. Details and system info below.

General info:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=412238#412238
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'Standard'-type (Jonathan Netanyahu-Class) Trimaran Aircraft Carrier:
Standard Capacity:
50- Fixed-wing Aircraft
15- Rotary-wing Aircraft (medium size)^
25- UCAVs (Full-sized, approaching size of manned aircraft. Units are stowed until use, not all expected to return from any mission)
12- UAVs/UARs (Small craft. For spotting and scouting, not all expected to return from any mission)

Unit cost is a fixed $3.6bn.

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'Light'-type (Ehud Barak-Class) Trimaran Aircraft Carrier:

Standard Capacity:
30- Fixed-wing Aircraft
12- Rotary-wing Aircraft (medium size)^
15- UCAVs (Full-sized, approaching size of manned aircraft. Units are stowed until use, not all expected to return from any mission)
8- UAVs/UARs (Small craft. For spotting and scouting, not all expected to return from any mission)

Unit cost is a fixed $2.8bn.

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NOTE: Aircraft sold separately. ‘Standard Capacity’ is a recording of the most common deployment by numbers and classifications, reflects a balanced multi-mission capable force. Actual deployment figures will vary.
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^- For type classification information (and small and large craft general models), see the linked post:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1162726#1162726

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Each of these vessels have the following:
Has 3 elevators* (2 for the light model) and a stealthy, low-slung design. These carriers use virtual and telepresence technology to eliminate the large "island" on the deck of the carrier, which is replaced by a squat, radar deflecting station about 2 stories tall as with the other designs, and to allow for better command and control of crew. Raised (with portions retractable) "radar shields" will prevent the activity on the ship's deck from reflecting radar signals towards receiver stations.**

Has 1 ramped launch lane (for VSTOL and high-lift aircraft(STOL) such as X-47 Pegasus UCAVs) and 2 "standard" launch lanes (for other planes and non-combat planes). The catapults use the EMALS (Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System), which cuts down on the 'down time' between aircraft launches.

Armaments:
Mixed-use Offensive/Defensive Systems
1- Ship-based MTHEL II system (WA advanced version, extended range, improved ID and tracking ability (based on Counter-battery radar, to assist in return fire from the fleet), and improved operating system)
6(4 on light)- Sea Sparrow integrated missile pods (48(32)missiles)
6- MDG-351 35mm "Millennium Gun" stations (advanced CIWS, mounted atop and within sections of the LASRB)
4 (2 on light)- Mk.32 Integrated Triple-mount SVTT (surface vessel torpedo tubes, total of 12 (6) torpedo tubes.)

Defensive Systems:

Large Area Surface Radar Baffling (LASRB, the "Radar Shield," actually a part of the ship shell, which extends down to the water at an angle that is intended to deflect signals either up into the sky or down into the water.)
Large-spread EW/ECM station (placed at ends to provide fleet/task force-wide EW/ECM coverage. Based on the AN/SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare (EW) system)
PCMS (Passive Counter Measures System. Uses Radar Absorbent Materials (RAM) and other specialized materials.)
Degaussing (MCM) systems
MK-53 Nulka Decoy Launching System (DLS)
Machine Noise Reducing Measures (Torpedo Counter Measures)
Prairie/Masker II Noise Masking System
Dragged Torpedo Decoys
Several Wide-Area Navalized "Shortstop" Electronic Protection System (WANSEPS) (a proximity fuse electronic countermeasure system that prematurely detonates artillery shells and other fuses at a safe distance from the target)
Barak Point Defense Missile System (a mini-VLS S2A anti-missile system)


There are also 2 'empty' integrated missile stations that can be used to launch box or rail-launched missiles of various sorts. These stations can be used for a variety of uses as the purchaser sees fit.

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Notes:
*- The elevators are not the 'normal' aircraft elevators. To avoid problems with the radar baffling ("radar shields"), the elevators are large rectangular lift structures placed centrally towards the rear of the ship and they're adjacent so that a large number of aircraft can be rapidly lifted at once and then rapidly deployed.

**-Sea Sparrow and other missile pods are integrated (hidden) in motile panels of the "radar shield," so when a missile is required to fire, the panel is simply dropped out of the way and the missile(s) are fired towards the targets, torpedo tubes are also included in the baffles. Also included in these panels are and Active Phased Array/Multi-Function Radar (APAR/MFR) hidden in panels and countermeasures equipment.

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The ‘Standard’ carrier has a TOTAL crew (Ship’s Crew plus Airwing and Aircrew) of approx. 3,500 and the Light has a crew of about 3,100. This vastly reduced crew (in comparison to other ships) has been made possible by the extensive use of automated systems. These automated systems include facilities for moving munitions and vital equipment, usually used to allow small management crews move large loads. Also included in automation are several of the engine components. To enhance the ship’s ability to operate in damaged conditions (Fight Hurt), these systems can also be manually operated in most cases.

The cruise speed is over 38 knots (48+kts top speed) for both ships (they use high-power nuclear reactors for their electric-powered waterjet and screw engines) and the average cruising speed is about 35 knots. The ships are about average length for their class but the ship is wide enough to place the three, wide launch lanes across the bredth of the foredeck (one bearing a 'ski-jump' ramp for special aircraft launches). Also, the ship has a visible height of about 1/2-3/4 that of the Nimitz-class, which helps avoid visual detection when sneaking up on enemy shores (and reduces RCS-reduction costs).

Special Features:
Integrated Information System
Supports the transfer and integration of voice, video and data information between audio, video and computer systems. Key features will include common and standard operating systems, network functions, communication protocols, interfaces and message structure.

Fiber-Optic Backbone
Single, integrated, commercial and military standard compliant physical grid supporting communications between systems/equipment via fiber-optic cables and electric-to-optic conversion devices. Key feature is providing end-to-end connections using ruggedized commercial off-the-shelf components. The ship-wide fiber-optic data relay system is resistant to EMP attacks and the fiber-optic cables themselves will not carry or receive EMI-causing signals.

Zonal Electric Distribution System
Open system architecture DC electrical distribution with standard interfaces between components. Power conversion and conditioning are performed locally from a single ship-wide DC electrical power bus to provide each end user the type/quality of power required. DC power allows for solid state control, which achieves power continuity in case of a fault and provides for near-instantaneous recovery from power interruptions. In addition to the survivability benefits inherent in uninterrupted power, this system is anticipated to be easier to install, require less physical cabling and provide greater flexibility for ship upgrades than current electrical systems. Isolates the potential for problems and minimizes any effect on the rest of the ship.

Multifunctional Embedded Antennas
Reconfigurable, multiple apertures electronically combined to provide an antenna tunable across wide frequency bandwidth and sensitivity parameters. The apertures are embedded in composite materials integral to the ship structure and may include combined or separate transmit and receive modules. Reduction of the number of antenna systems for communications and radars provides potential to improve performance by avoiding antenna blockages, reducing the structure required to support antenna placement, life-cycle costs and maintenance manpower requirements.

Modified Island Structure
The island’s configuration, function and materials are designed to satisfy aircraft support functions while minimizing its impact on ship control and flight deck operations. Benefits are reduced air disturbances caused on the flight deck by the island, more efficient flight deck arrangements, and reduced radar and infrared signature characteristics. This configuration improves flight deck access and reduces electronic self-interference.

Alternative Energy Catapults
Electromagnetic Catapults: A launch-assist mechanism, which will propel the aircraft to takeoff velocity using a traveling electromagnetic wave produced by a linear motor. When compared to current steam driven catapults, the EMALS (Electro-Magnetic Air Launch System) will provide the following benefits:
Independence from the ship’s propulsion plant;
A 50-percent reduction in system weight;
A 65-percent reduction in system volume;
An increase in energy capacity with a highly controllable acceleration and deceleration profile;
An increase in reliability and availability;
A 30-percent decrease in manpower required. This technology is similar to that used to propel high-speed "bullet" trains in some countries. By the use of this more efficient, more controllable system, maintenance costs for the airframes of carrier-launched aircraft can be reduced as the EMALS system can adjust independently and automatically for the launch of each aircraft (So that a JSF will receive the push that it needs, not the push that an F/A-18 needs). This reduced wear also reduces costs and manpower requirements while releasing valuable space that would otherwise be set aside for materials to address these damages.

Ski Jumps
An upward-sloped ramp at the forward end of a section of the flight deck provides aircraft with a more optimum flyaway angle. This translates into benefits such as reduced takeoff velocity, increased payload capacity and reduced wind-over-deck requirements.

Passive Jet Blast Deflector
Redesigns and new materials mean reduced maintenance costs and time. The system affords increased safety for deck crews.

Automated Weapon Selection and Movement
Integrated family of procedures, magazine design, weapons elevators, passageway layout, information management systems, decision aids and reduced manpower ordnance-handling equipment to increase weapons’ throughput, increase sortie generation rates and minimize risks associated with ordnance handling and stowage. Material movement devices, semi-autonomous, gravity compensated weapons handling devices, damage control automation systems and components help reduce the ship's crew and costs.

Computerized and Automated Aircraft Diagnostics and Repair
Semi-automated refueling and servicing in a new configuration and deck location (versus other and older aircraft carriers) provides faster, more efficient airwing pit stops and requires fewer people. This helps reduce the maintenance time and allows for an increased sortie rate. Computerized scanners search for structural weakness in parts, allowing aircrews to replace only the damaged portions when necessary, cutting costs and reducing inventory demands.

Improved Hanger Bay Organization
The designs reduces the clutter observed in other vessels while also providing the facilities necessary for the storage, retrieval, and deployment of aircraft of all sorts.

Reconfigurable Living Spaces
Life-of-the-ship modular construction designs provide flexibility and reduce cost.

Expanded Bandwidth
More onboard and off-board capability gives the ship a communications edge. Both in combat and while on peaceful deployments.

Advanced Systems for Flight Operations Management
Family of information management and decision aids to facilitate mission planning, aircraft control, aircraft/pilot information upload and download, aircraft turnaround and aircraft launch and recovery. May include a family of high performance, integrated aviation work centers along with several pit stop-type aircraft servicing stations strategically positioned about the ship. Benefits include:
Improved aviation safety;
Significant manning reduction;
Increased sortie generation rate;
Flight deck optimization;
Reduced aircraft support equipment;
More efficient maintenance and built-in servicing and support flexibility for follow-on generations of aircraft.

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There are currently no aircraft included, but EW aircraft (Prowler and Growler) as well as F/A-18IEs and F/A-18IFs are sold by me in the fixed-wing category.

Rotary wing aircraft for this vessel of numerous types are also available for sale if you are interested. (see below)


Aircraft
NOTE: All aircraft are automatically updated with GIAI specialized Aeronautics and Control systems above what the baseline models would carry.

-ROTARY WING-
X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit=
X UH-60L Blackhawk (basic)@ $11M/unit=
X MH-60L Blackhawk (SOC)@ $12M/unit=
X MH-60L DAP Blackhawk (with ammo/missiles load)@ $13.5M/unit=
X MH-60G Pavehawk@ $12.5M/unit=
X MH-60S Knighthawk@ $12M/unit=

X MH-92 Blackgull (Helibus)@$15M/unit=

X H-53 (CH-53 Sea Stallion/ CH-53E Super Stallion /MH-53E Sea Dragon/MH-53J Pave Low III)@ $25M/unit=

X RAH-66 Comanche@ $14M/unit=

X AH-1W SuperCobra@ $11M/unit=
X AH-1Z UltraCobra (AKA "KingCobra," "Zulu," "ZuluCobra")@$12.4M/unit (standard price)=

(The Zulu: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=783622#783622)

-FIXED WING-
(More Info on these aircraft (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1088344#1088344))
X F/A-18IE/F Super Hornet@ $52M/unit=

EW:
X EA-6B ICAP II Block 89A "Prowler"@ $52M/unit=
X F/A-18IG (EA-18 ) 'Growler'@ $54M/unit=

Note: Some other ship-based aircraft can also be made available by special request, including F/A-18IC/D Hornets.

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Helicopter Issues
Please note the following about helicopters
LAMPS Seahawks are capable of both ASW and CSAR operations at sea and are very capable aircraft in their own right.

Some Basic Blackhawk Models Offered

--Basic Blackhawks (troop transport for 10-12, with crew of 3 and one door gun): ~11mil

--Special Operations Capable (SOC) Blackhawk (Same as BB, but with many Pavehawk improvements for limited SO support capabilities): ~11.5mil

--LAMPS Seahawk (ASW-capable, can bear ASMs, can also do CSAR and slightly limited troop transportation (6, 4 if stretcher loaded; crew of 4-5, like Basics but with specialist(s) in either ASW(BB+1) or CSAR operations(BB+2)): ~12mil

--Pavehawk (Special Operations Extended Range transport craft, door guns, advanced ground-following avionics, dampened IR and audio signature): ~12.5mil

--Blackhawk DAPs (Armed Blackhawks, with virtually the armament of an Apache (Pylons can bear 2 weapons pods each. Under-nose gun is the same as on Apache) but with added Troop transport capabilities. 4 can be transported as 1-2 extra crew are required for the manning of door guns, also advanced avionics as in the Pavehawk): ~13.5mil

--Knighthawk (An improved version of the Blackhawk, built on the time and deployment-tested Blackhawk airframe but modified and designed specifically for use at sea in under-way replenishment and a variety of other roles, including Combat Search and Rescue, Special Warfare Support and Airborne Mine Countermeasures.): 12mil

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Additional Notes:
The MH-92 'Blackgull' is based on the commercial S-92 Helibus (http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/s92/index.html) and has capabilities (in terms of speed, stealthiness, and load lift capacity) above and beyond those of the older (and soon in need of retirement) H-47 Chinook.

The MH-73 Night Owl (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75982&highlight=) is a superb design by Of the council of clan (with just a tad bit of help on my part :wink:) that incorporates many of the advanced features of the Knighthawk but with stealthy capabilities that allow for the practical, yet covert, transportation and insertion of Special Operations forces deep within ‘protected’ territory. A heartily recommended buy for such missions!
Western Asia
17-12-2003, 05:15
As a note, there are now 2 carriers of each type either completed that have not been assigned positions within the Western Asian Naval Corps or christend and are 'ready to go'. As the NC has not yet made space for them and is willing to wait for their introduction, they are offered to you.
Layarteb
17-12-2003, 07:47
I really do highly recommend the Twin Towers class coastal patrol boat. They have been tested against ICBMs and achieved a 10/10 kill rate on ICBMs fired at me. While the export version has downgraded avionics and does not come equipped with weapons they can still do their job highly effectively.
17-12-2003, 09:33
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44357&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1180

can't think of a better warship thread then this. tons to choose from, great prices, all modern-US warships...and some near-modern
17-12-2003, 10:33
I can build you 50 submarines at a cost of $89 billion dollars. They are Collins Class submarines. They are fitted with some of the world's most sophisticated operations systems and they are second to none.

Displacement: 3,350 tonnes

Length: 77 metres

Speed
20+ knots dived
10 knots surfaced

Crew: 42

Armament
Sub-Harpoon
6 X 21inch fwd tubes, Gould Mk48 Torpedos
44 Mines

http://www.navy.gov.au/vf/home.asp
17-12-2003, 11:51
Why don't you just buy the best?

http://www.geocities.com/eethe_mole/ships.html
Doujin
17-12-2003, 16:53

Aquilla
18-12-2003, 04:00
Offers are being considered.
Western Asia
18-12-2003, 07:39
East-Europe: Your two ships suck.
Isochronus: Collins Class submarines are one of the worst in my opinion.
Powerfularmies: Unum Veritas has a better storefront than you.

OOC: Doujin, I understand that you are new here, but insulting others, especially in these conditions, is very much a faux pas. Golden Rule time and all that.

Flaming is not looked upon well by the mods.
Layarteb
18-12-2003, 07:45
East-Europe: Your two ships suck.
Isochronus: Collins Class submarines are one of the worst in my opinion.
Powerfularmies: Unum Veritas has a better storefront than you.

OOC: Doujin, I understand that you are new here, but insulting others, especially in these conditions, is very much a faux pas. Golden Rule time and all that.

Flaming is not looked upon well by the mods.

Hell at his age should he really have Seawolves and Virginias?
Western Asia
18-12-2003, 07:55
Hell at his age should he really have Seawolves and Virginias?
OOC: Realistically? Probably not.

He probably shouldn't have advanced shipyards...but I'm not going to deal with possible godmodery right now. Too much trouble.
18-12-2003, 08:01
Step into the light, and buy the best...

Introducing the Sandshark class liquid hydrogen powered submarine. this ship can almost silently sink a destroyer, and sneak away before it can be caught.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/slbm/ssbn616a.jpg

Specifications:
Builder: Aries Naval Yards
Power Plant: IC404-HX two geared steam turbines, 15,000 SHP, one shaft
Length: 394 feet
Beam: 33 feet (10.06 meters)
Displacement: Sorry, i don't know to calulated it.
standard
submerged

Speed: Surfaced 13-18 knots
submerged: 20-23 knots

Test depth: 1,000 feet
Crew: 9 Officers, 109 Enlisted
Armament;
4 - 21" Torpedo Tubes (All Foward)
MK 14/16 Anti-ship Torpedo
MK 37 Anti-Submarine Torpedo
1 Port for Tomahawk missles
18-12-2003, 08:07
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103875
Doujin
18-12-2003, 10:35
"Realistically" the only thing that keeps me from having "advanced" shipyards is not my "population" but my economy. Australia has 19 million and very very advanced shipyards. 4-5 of the ships in my storefront were concepts by Austal, an Australian Naval company. And because of that, I have been "god moding" I guess. Which is why I am not going to offer anymore ships to anyone until I have a much better economy. I didn't plan for my shop to get this big so fast i wanted to wait to add the more advanced stuff until after I reached 100,000,000 population and had a strong economy, but I got caught up in the moment and wanted to have the "most advanced ships on the market"

And you are right, I didn't mean to flame; that was one of my "rare" ones. And I apologize to all involved.

OOC POST
18-12-2003, 10:42
OOC: Saying something isn't godmodding becuase it was once a concept isn't always correct. Many things have been concents but a concept is just a concept and most concepts don't go anywhere becuase they are in fact unrealistic.

IC: Hopefully Kravoli and Tahar Joblis will be working together to build some ships, so if your still in the market keep an eye out for us.
18-12-2003, 10:56
My nation can build for u the ship with YOUR dimension.
Doujin
18-12-2003, 11:15
Kravoli, where have I said it wasn't godmodding? And the "concept" of trimaran hulled ships is going somewhere, especially militarily.. with the RN Triton. The fact of the matter is, your population doesn't mean you can't do "advanced" things. It would be your economy plus your population added together, seeing what you can and cannot do money wise. For example, right now if I continued my store I would have 1,983,700,000ish people in the "defense/arms" industry. My other three main industries is Basket-Weaving *hangs head in shame* and Retail. Now, this is unrealistic because my economy is listed as "Weak" now. However, if I had a good + economy, it would be very much feasible. 2% of my population in the arms/defense industry, leaving the rest to Retail/basket weaving / gov. jobs / unemployment / military.

Now, I have a small military, my "army" is just for defense, with my main concentration being on Naval/Maritime war operations, leaving more for the other industries(Retail, Basket-Weaving, Arms/Defense, Unemployment).

It isn't hard to prove that you don't need a large population to be capable of advanced things. It all depends on your economy, wether it is good or not.
19-12-2003, 04:23
Doujin is wasn't refering to you, it was to anyone that uses a concert as defense from godmodding, the worst things are when people combine concerts togther because they think it might work.

Plus how can you have 1,983,700,000 people in the arms market? I can't be any country employing anywhere mean that even in there whole workforce.
Doujin
19-12-2003, 06:00
Kravoli: Arms/Defence spreads through 4 seperate industries(Armored Vehicles, Aviation, Naval Vessels, and Infantry Gear(arms and the like))

And that would be in the billions. 1,983,700 is what I meant.
20-12-2003, 04:16
You realize that is 5% of your population in the Arms/Defense industry? I have a Frightening economy and a population of 245,591,523. That means, realistically, my country employs roughly 4,911,831 in the Arms/Defense Industry. Do you really think your nation, about one sixth of mine in size and one sixteenth in economic strength could employ nearly half the number of people as I in one industry?
Scandavian States
20-12-2003, 04:25
You didn't specify what kind of sub, so I'm going to post all of mine

Surface Ships and Submarines
Dreadnaught Class SSBN/SSGN
Armaments:
20 Ballistic Missiles (SSBN Version)
40 Cruise/Multi-Purpose Missiles (SSGN Version)
4 Torpedos Tubes (Both Versions, ADCAP type)
Crew: 105 total (Additional 40 troops on SSGN)
Speed: 25 knots (Surfaced), 31 knots (Underwater)
Maximum Depth: 1,524 meters
Design: About 612 feet long. R&D found that if certain chemicals were put into sea water and then had a current run through them, the chemicals would produce a gel that absorbs sonar and reduces internal sound. Since the submarine would be the source of the electricity, the gel would collect on the hull and the sound coming from the sub virtually eleminated. As a final measure against sound output, a water-jet propulsion system was installed in place of propellers. All in all, it is easy to see why the Imperial Navy uses these subs in place of any available on the market.
SALE NOTE: The sale of this ship is extremely limited, mainly to those that the government explicitly trusts and that is a short list indeed.
Price: 4 Billion (Missiles not included)
http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/Rifts-Earth-Vehicles/British/British_Dreadnought_Submarine-Small.gif

Francis Scott Key Class SSBN
Armaments:
32 Ballistic Missiles
4 Torpedos Tubes (ADCAP type)
Crew: 98 total
Speed: 28 knots (Surfaced), 32 knots (Underwater)
Maximum Depth: 4,000 meters
Design: About 584 feet in length, but with the outer and inner hulls space further apart to reduce noise output. As a final measure against sound output, a water-jet propulsion system was installed in place of propellers. An outstanding feature of this sub is the triple row of missiles, with twin outer rows of eleven and an inner of row ten.
SALE NOTE: The sale of this ship is not limited by the government, but we will use our own discression in selling it.
Price: 3.5 Billion (Missiles not included)
http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/Rifts-Earth-Vehicles/United_States/US_SSBN-22_Francis_Key_Submarine-Small.gif

Upholder class SSN
Armaments:
8 Cruise Missile Silos
10 Torpedo Tubes (ADCAP type)
Crew: 85 total
Speed: 34.4 knots (Surfaced), 43 knots (Underwater)
Maximum Depth: 4,000 meters
Design: About 402 feet in length. The Upholder class SSN uses the same stealth measures that the Dreadnaught class does and goes even further. Ten torpedo tubes allow a single sub to destroy a good portion of a battlegroup before they are forced to reload, and even then it is autmated. The only downside is that once the sub reaches fourty knots the gel layer will slough off and sound output spikes dramatically. The sub also has eight VLS tubs behind the sail to launch cruise missiles and whenever an Upholder is assigned to SSBN guard duty eight of the thirty-two cruise missiles on board are nuclear.
SALE NOTE: The sale of this ship is extremely limited, mainly to those that the government explicitly trusts and that is a short list indeed.
Price: 3 Billion (Missiles not included)
http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/Rifts-Earth-Vehicles/British/British_Upholder_Submarine.gif

Swordfish class SSN
Armaments:
4 Cruise Missile Batteries
4 Long-Range Missile Batteries
8 Torpedo Tubes (ADCAP type)
Crew: 108 total
Speed: 35 knots (Surfaced), 45 knots (Underwater)
Maximum Depth: 4,000 meters
Design: About 370 feet long. The Swordfish class, like any other design we sell that is unrestricted by the government, is theorectically more combat capable than what the Imperial Navy uses but is not as technologically advanced. This class only uses the standard quieting measures that our other subs use, water-jet propulsion and synthetic hull materials. The armament is top-of-the-line, with the ability to launch 16 cruise missiles, 16 long-range missiles (Harpoon or similar), 8 torpedos at a time if for some reason you face three different threats. Reloads include 120 torpedos, 128 Long-Range missiles, and 16 cruise missiles.
SALE NOTE: The sale of this ship is unrestricted by the Imperial Government.
Price: 1.5 Billion (Missiles not included)
http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/Rifts-Earth-Vehicles/United_States/US_SSN-981_Swordfish_Submarine.gif

Greyback class SSTN
Armaments:
2 Long-Range Missile Batteries
4 Torpedo Tubes (ADCAP type)
4 Small Unmanned submersibles
Crew: 96 total, 160 Marines/Spec Ops Troops
Speed: 35 knots (Surfaced), 35 knots (Underwater)
Maximum Depth: 2,400 meters
Design: About 410 feet long. The only mission of the Greyback is to covertly infiltrate troops onto enemy shores. To help with this mission, nearly every quieting measure that we could use was used, with the exception of the SOSOUND Gel installed in the Dreadnaught and Upholder class subs. For defense, there are four torpedo tubes with 64 reloads and two long-range VLS batteries of each each with 64 reloads. Also, if the purchasing nation has access to them, the sub has a hatch to launch for small unmanned submersibles. In front the USV hatch is two rows of four man-sized hatches for troops to exit from the sub.
SALE NOTE: The sale of this ship is unrestricted by the Imperial Government.
Price: 600 Million (Missiles not included)
http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/Rifts-Earth-Vehicles/United_States/US_SSTN-01_Greyback_Submarine.gif
Scandavian States
20-12-2003, 04:29
You realize that is 5% of your population in the Arms/Defense industry? I have a Frightening economy and a population of 245,591,523. That means, realistically, my country employs roughly 4,911,831 in the Arms/Defense Industry. Do you really think your nation, about one sixth of mine in size and one sixteenth in economic strength could employ nearly half the number of people as I in one industry?

OOC: Quite frankly, the UN isn't a legit RP tool and as such is mostly ignored by anyone who does any kind of RPing.
Unum Veritas
20-12-2003, 04:31
I've believe we've done business at some point in the past, although recently my storefront has undergone quite a few modifications. Check it out, as I believe you'll find what you need (and quite a few other things, too)!

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=655745#655745

OOC: Doujin, thank you for your compliment, however I've never really looked at anyone else's storefront so I can't really comment on the truthfulness of your statement.

Wow...I used way too many big words in that post! :?
20-12-2003, 04:33
You realize that is 5% of your population in the Arms/Defense industry? I have a Frightening economy and a population of 245,591,523. That means, realistically, my country employs roughly 4,911,831 in the Arms/Defense Industry. Do you really think your nation, about one sixth of mine in size and one sixteenth in economic strength could employ nearly half the number of people as I in one industry?

OOC: Quite frankly, the UN isn't a legit RP tool and as such is mostly ignored by anyone who does any kind of RPing.





Sorry, I don't understand your meaning.
Layarteb
20-12-2003, 19:15
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Scandavian States
20-12-2003, 19:29
You realize that is 5% of your population in the Arms/Defense industry? I have a Frightening economy and a population of 245,591,523. That means, realistically, my country employs roughly 4,911,831 in the Arms/Defense Industry. Do you really think your nation, about one sixth of mine in size and one sixteenth in economic strength could employ nearly half the number of people as I in one industry?

OOC: Quite frankly, the UN isn't a legit RP tool and as such is mostly ignored by anyone who does any kind of RPing.

Sorry, I don't understand your meaning.

That's all right, I misread your first post. Forget what I said.
Aquilla
24-12-2003, 04:13
We have bought what we need.
Doujin
24-12-2003, 04:47
Tokarev, maybe - but you need to take into account that Arms Manufacturing isn't one of your countries strongest industries - it is mine.
Aquilla
24-12-2003, 04:49
We have bought what we need.
Lapse
24-12-2003, 05:03
We have bought what we need.

dang
24-12-2003, 16:19
Actually at the time I posted it was, things just changed because of I increased funds to the automobile market.
Western Asia
24-12-2003, 20:16
4 x 'Standard'-type (Jonathan Netanyahu-Class) Trimaran Aircraft Carrier @$3.6bn/unit= $14.4bn

Your total, with all costs and charges accounted for, is $14.55bn. Thank you for choosing GINY for your warship needs. We are moving the available warships into working conditions and they will be sent under IDF-NC escourt within the next 6 months, arriving in two batches of 2 ships.

If you would like, all four can be sent at once so long as you can provide crew members for the extra two vessels. Such an event would be completed in about 3 months from now.
Aquilla
25-12-2003, 04:42
No, do it norrmally. Thanks.
Western Asia
30-12-2003, 05:29
All ships have been delivered, we thank you for your business.