NationStates Jolt Archive

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Red Army:
14,000,000 Men total
13,000,000 Active Service
1,000,000 Reserves
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Red Army "Red Guard" Special Forces
400,000
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Red Army Medics:
500,000
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Red Army Repair Crew:
900,000
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Red Army Weapons.
Army has choice of M-16 and Ak-47 Assault Rifles
Secondary Weapon is the 9mm M9 Baretta..standard issued
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Red Army Fighting Vehicles:
56,000 BMP-3 Fighting Vehicles.
60,000 BTR-80 Armored Personnel Carrier
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Red Army Transports:
75,000 Humvees
73,000 APCs
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Red Army Tanks:
30,000 T-90 Tanks
30,000 T-80 Tanks
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Rocket Launcher Systems:
40,000 9K58 Smerch Rocket Launcher.
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Towed Artillery:
40,000 152-mm Towed Gun-Howitzer
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Anti-Aircraft Weapons:
40,000 ZSU-57 Anti-Aircraft Guns
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Anti-Tank Weapons:
40,000 Ataka-V VIKhR 9M120 Anti-Tank Weapon
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Self-Propelled Artillery:
30,000 ASU-85 Airborne Assault Gun
30,000 2S23 Nona-SVK Self-Propelled Gun Mortor
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Red Navy Ballistic Submarines:
40 Typhoon Class Ballistic Submarines
40 Dolphin Delta IV
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Cruise Missle Submarines:
35 Oscar II Submarines
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Nuclear Submarines:
39 Akula Class Submarines
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Aircraft Carriers:
8 Orel Class Carriers
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Red Navy Cruisers:
50 Kirov Class Cruiser
50 Krasina Class Guided Missle Cruisers
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Red Navy Destroyers:
50 Sovremenny Class Guides Missle Destroyer
50 Udaloy Class Guided Missle Destroyer
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Red Navy Corvettes:
50 Bora Class Corvettes
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Red Navy Frigates
50 Neustrashimy Class Frigates
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Red Airforce Carrier Aircraft:
300 Su-27Ks
100 Su-25s
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Red Navy Troop Landing Craft:
1,000 Pomornik Class Amphibious Landing Craft
1,000 Ivan Rogov Landing Craft
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Red Airforce Rotary Aircraft:
900 Mi-28 HAVOCS
900 MI-35 HIND E/F
900 KA-52 HOKUM B
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Red Airforce Transport Aircraft:
500 AN-124 CONDOR(ANTONOV)
300 AN-72 Coaler
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Red Airforce Fighter Planes:
3,000 Su-27 Flankers
3,000 MiG-29 Fulcrums
3,000 MiG-31 FoxHounds
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Red Army Fighter Bombers:
3,000 Su-24 Fencers
3,000 Su-30MK
3,000 Su-25s
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Red Airforce Bombers:
900 Tu-160s
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Tanker Aircraft:
400 I1-78 Midas
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Nuclear/Theater Missles:
500 RT-21Ms
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Nuclear ICBMS:
150 SS-24 Scapels
150 Topol-M SS-27s
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Nuclear Bombs:
1,000 Nuclear Bombs
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Surface to Air Missles:
600 Triumf S-400
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OOC:If my military is a godmod...tell me and also tell me what I need to fix.Thanks!

Just generally too much, You might want to have less 'specialised' aircraft.

You have a MASSIVE population so I wouldn't think so.

You might want to update your forces.

Su-24's dont cut it no more.

i'd go with Su-37's or 47's. but otherwise looks good. very good.

Try some M1A2 Abrams tanks.They wiped out the whole elite tank force of Iraq in just a mere week

Looks good to me...

Actually, those were M1A1 tanks in Iraq. The marines never updated. However, the point still gets across, for if the M1A1 can take over Iraq in a month, then just think of what the M1A2 tank can do.

How about some israeli Ben Gurion heavy support tanks, they can blow a hole through a panzer with just their machine guns!

It's, err, pretty fucking huge. I would reccomend halving it for starters.

he is resurrected...

Actually, those were M1A1 tanks in Iraq. The marines never updated. However, the point still gets across, for if the M1A1 can take over Iraq in a month, then just think of what the M1A2 tank can do.


Sorry, I'm just in love with M1A2 tanks

1.471 billion cannot support that.

I don't think he is, anyway.

It's, err, pretty f--- huge. I would reccomend halving it for starters.

Yea well he's pretty huge also, so in my eyes its ok.

1.471 billion cannot support that.

I don't think he is, anyway.

If in total war I think he can..but otherwise I would concur that it would have to be lessened.

Actually to make it realistic you shouldn't have a set number...you should mobilize according to the needs of the war.

Try some M1A2 Abrams tanks.They wiped out the whole elite tank force of Iraq in just a mere week

But those were just T-72s and T-62s, not to mention the US had air support.

I'd stick with the Russian tanks, they're superior in everything but armour, but weigh a lot less, making them easier to deploy world wide.

Maybe back them up with some Merkava Mk4s. Afraid your Merkavas won't be "Soviet compatable"? Buy some from me. :)

PS: I'd make all of your rifles standard, or at least share ammo, it makes it alot easier when issuing bullets.

Try some M1A2 Abrams tanks.They wiped out the whole elite tank force of Iraq in just a mere week

But those were just T-72s and T-62s, not to mention the US had air support.

I'd stick with the Russian tanks, they're superior in everything but armour, but weigh a lot less, making them easier to deploy world wide.

Maybe back them up with some Merkava Mk4s. Afraid your Merkavas won't be "Soviet compatable"? Buy some from me. :)

PS: I'd make all of your rifles standard, or at least share ammo, it makes it alot easier when issuing bullets.
Actually, Soviet tanks are inferior in everything but active defense systems (and starting to drop here), weight, cost, and target profile. Western tanks have superior firepower, fire control, armor, rate of fire, survivability, sights, etc.

Too many tanks I think. 60 000 total :shock:

Did you use the http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php to figure out how many Tanks Planes etc. your nation can handle,If so there aint much of a problum meethinks.

400,000 Special Forces?

Bullshit.

Holy crap thats alot of medics. You might want to cut back on your medical training. Just a thought.

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Ah, no. The GDP calculator, besides having it's own problems with GDP and budget calculation, only lists the amount of tanks (etc) that you could purchase if you spent your entire budget on that. And it's operational costs, not purchase costs, which dictate how many units you can afford.

I'd say too many aircraft, but 60k crappy Soviet tanks isn't beyond the reach of a 1.4 bil pop nation with a frightening economy that concentrates spending on defense.

That's a quite good idea, right above this post, and I highly recommend that. Why? Because if you want to fight a good NS war, you're not going to just "I send 14,000,000 troops, 60,000 tanks" etc into the enemy. You're going to fight in terms of battles, which are fought by more or less standard units, or groups of troops/vehicles/equipment/stuff. It's really on the basis of those units that you will or won't win a battle, and you need to figure out who wins battles to have the war. Otherwise, it's way too simplified and you might as well throw dice at each other and do it that way (which might be an easy way to do it, and good if you RP the results...)

Also, when you're organizing your army, going from the top down is really quite hard. Best to decide the tactical units like squads, and how many of them are in larger units, and those larger units in the main unit, and those main units (divisions, say) in the entire military, and THEN compute how many totals you have.

Plus it's more interesting to roleplay things like companies or divisions or even squads, than an amorphous, massive military all at once. At least, have the "big picture" stuff a background to your RP which would focus on the tactical details.

Just the numbers are a bit "off"

As a rule, naval ships are almost never built 50 to a class. Your navy is psychotically massive- even the US, at its peak of power in the 80's never had more than 600.

Your ground forces, though, I'd feel free to go larger. With a 14m+ army, 60,000 tanks is...the russians could have managed that in the cold war (well, built them, at least), so that number could be bumped up more.

The air force is too massive- a 3,000 plane air force is, I think, somewhat larger than US air forces.

The ICBM force, however, is right on. If you have 1,000 warheads (plausible) I'd also go a bit farther with the missile force. As a rule, countries with nukes either cluster twards 1 standard type of ICBM (like the US with the minuteman III) or a large number of types (the USSR with...too long to write here, and france, who had like, 6 delivery systems)

Also, ICBM's are NOT something that a country would export (unless its to an ally so close you're practically the same country)- but feel free to design your own.

I think a better tactic for military writeups is to state how much equipment, men, supply facilities, etc. a typical division (armored, infantry, airbone, light, mountain, whatever) or air wing has, and then just state how many of those units your military has.

I mean, with the weird numbers that are in military units, there are almost never round numbers of military equipment.

So, you aren't really god-modding, you just need to tweak the numbers a bit. Change how those massive forces are distributed to make them more balanced. I'd say more army equipment, WAY smaller navy, and a better strategic nuclear arsenal. Also, specify what types of nukes- strategic, tactical, how they are delivered. I think a country as large as yours could make its own nuclear systems, and more that 1,000 warheads.....hell, the US has/had 12,000.

I'm the only one who thinks 14,000,000 Infantry is a complete buttload?

Ahh ok I assumed it was something which allowed for operational costs also.Know of anyone that calculates Op costs?

But there is no reason why to have 60 000 tanks. Unless is preparing to war.

I'm the only one who thinks 14,000,000 Infantry is a complete buttload?

Not if they're your average, Soviet style conscripts. Not in NS anyway. However, I'd be very careful in roleplaying such a force as to their other capabilities... like being able to transport them anywhere, or get them adequate supplies, etc.

Also now that I think of it that navy does seem a bit huge. Generally it's best to concentrate on one supremely equipped/trained/capable branch (say the Army) and the others will not be as good, unless you have low numbers overall. It's hard to strike a balance in this game that isn't a godmod, especially given how much it costs to maintain a navy and air force.

Tra Li- I'm not sure if there's a calculator that takes into account operational costs, sadly. I work my military out myself, even going so far as to figure out ammunition costs by volume of projectiles and cost per kilogram of materials and production, etc. But I'm insane, so my main advice is to, when in doubt, underestimate your forces, look at the good roleplayers militaries if they post them and use common sense.

Or research, research, research.

So i need to limit my Navy..and my Airforce?

Yeah, the air force probably by about half. Less of the bigger naval ships. And I just saw the 400k special forces... at that point, they're not that special by definition, because they won't be receiving as much funding and support per man. I'd say no more than 20 or 30 thousand, if you want them to still be elites.

Yeah, the air force probably by about half. Less of the bigger naval ships. And I just saw the 400k special forces... at that point, they're not that special by definition, because they won't be receiving as much funding and support per man. I'd say no more than 20 or 30 thousand, if you want them to still be elites.

Thanks for the help..I also think everyone else.

I agree with all the above points and besides, with an airforce that big, who nthe hell would even try to attack you - that's immediate air supperiority with 1/3 of that lot!!! Anyways. I think that it wasn't a godmod army just a little to big for necessity. You could fight a war on four fronts against smaller nations and still defend your country in times of war. I say shelve at least 40% of it into reserves for times of war and not make any more purchases as, your entire budget is consumed keeping that lot going.

Also is it ok to spend 15% of my GDP on military?Or should it be lower?

15% of your gdp seems the wrong way of working it out because, that is a large proportion of the budget. A safe bet is to work it out on budget rfather than gdp and aim for between 5 and 10%. that way then, you can maintain your forces whilst keeping your people hapopy by paying for the services etc.

Actually, most of it is fine. The US currently has about 7000 combat aircraft, 2000 of which are helicopters. However, this is right now, and in 1992, they had closer to 15,000, so his air force isn't that bad.
The army is again okay. The USSR topped at a little over 50k tanks, but over half were ancient models, by keeping it with only modern ones, he makes up for that.

40k Smerch launchers on the other hand, is a bit much. That number should include total MLRS systems, including Grad and Uragan systems, which are needed as well.

The navy is a bit of a problem, and I would suggest taking a look at a real one at World Navies Today (http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav) for a better reference. The current numbers are to heavy on ships that need to be escorted (Carriers and Kirov cruisers), and not enough on escorts.


Really, the only problem I find here is an arbitrary use of numbers without researching actual force composition. Outside of that, it's not that bad.

Actually, those were M1A1 tanks in Iraq. The marines never updated. However, the point still gets across, for if the M1A1 can take over Iraq in a month, then just think of what the M1A2 tank can do. Sorry, there was extensive use of the M1A2 in Iraq, by the Army at least.