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Empire of Haukka needs amphibious assault ships for 2nd Imperial Marine Legion. Post your offers here.

Check also my storefront http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2351707&highlight=#2351707

The EM-150 Dolphin/Piotr Hotamel class was developed by The Elias Marine Corporation and Bisonic Defence Initiatives Agency (BDIA) in a response to a requirement for an amphibious assault ship that could also perform the role of a light aircraft carrier and sea control ship.

The ship is highly capable and features modern defence systems such as the Sea Javelin missile system and SLQ-32 Jamming suite. The ship is designed to be extremely flexible as it can be used in either the amphibious role, the helicopter assault role or as a light aircraft carrier.

-Name: EM-150 Dolphin/Piotr Hotamel
-Class: Assault ship (LHD)
-Displacement: 24,800 tons
-Length: 772 feet
-Width: 115 feet
-Compliment: 923
-Propulsion: 4x 12,000 hp Gas Turbines driving two shafts and a bow thruster.
-Max Speed: 26 kts
-Armament: 6 Ak-603 CIWS 6000 rpm 30mm cannons, 2 sets of 8 cell Mk 29 launchers for Sea Javelin SAM (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35421)


-Aircraft: up to 22 ‘slots’ for VSTOL aircraft (such as F-35, Yak-141, sea Harrier) or medium helicopters (such as Puma, Blackhawk, Mi-17 etc) in any combination. Large helicopters such as the (CH-53E or CH-47) would take up two ‘slots’ and smaller helicopters such as Hueys or Cobras would take up about 3/4 of a ‘slot’ etc. Up to two Mi-26s can be accommodated on deck but not in the hangar. 12 degree ski jump included.

-Military Lift:
Well deck can accommodate up to three LCACs or six smaller landing craft.
Ship can accommodate up to 1,070 troops.
Cargo hold has 22,000 square feet of vehicle stowage space
-Countermeasures: 6 SROC 6 barreled Mk36 Chaff launchers, SLAQ-25 torpedo decoys, and SLQ-32 electronic intercept jammers.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/Luigi-Einaudi-NUM.jpg
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/num/images/num_model2.jpg
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/num_takeoff1.jpg


EM-150/ Piotr Hotamel class: $1.2 billion

(if you require helicopters for your vessel please click here:
EA-24 Multipurpose helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40824)
EA-26 Attack Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68324&highlight=)
EA-28 Light/Scout Special Forces Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66401))

The EM-155 Sea Lion Amphibious assault ship was deisgned to meet a growing requirement from the Elias Navy in order to replace/compliment Ivan Rogov and Whidbey island type vessels. The new ships are more advanced yet cost effective as they are based however on an existing hull design (Albion class) although a the Following modifications to the existing hull have been made:

-43ft extension to dock and flight deck area.
-Increase in well deck space and hangar facilites while reducing size of cargo areas (as Sturgeon (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59383) Combat Support vessels are nearly always in company)
-Installation of Bow thruster to allow easier dock manoevering.

The Elias Navy has so far ordered 16 with options for a further 4 of these vessels and while the Ministry of Defence Procuremnt and Export has cleared the type for export, few are expected due to the fact that other it is based on an already available design.

The ships revised dimensions are suited perfectly to house 550 Marines which is exactly one quarter of a Marine Battallion, therefore they are to be deployed usually in fours along with a Combat Support vessel and escorts. This forms the basis of the new Amphibious Ready Group plan which calls for one Marine Battallion to be ready to deploy at all times.

Specifications

-Class: LPD
-Displacement: 22,400 tons
-Length: 520 feet
-Width: 104 feet
-Compliment: 324
-Propulsion: 4x 40,000 hp Diesels driving two shafts and a bow thruster.
-Max Speed: 26 kts

-Armament: 4 Ak-603 CIWS 6000 rpm 30mm cannons
14.5mm Machine Gun mounts x 6
2 RAM (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/ram.htm) SAM launchers (20 missiles per launcher)

-Aircraft: Up to 4 EA-24 (or similar) helicopters, 2 of which accomodated in hangar.

Military Lift:Well deck can accommodate up to three LCACs or five smaller landing craft + 4 smaller landing craft on davits.
Ship can accommodate up to 550 troops.
-Countermeasures: 6 SROC 6 barreled Mk36 Chaff launchers, SLAQ-25 torpedo decoys, and SLQ-32 electronic intercept jammers.

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http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/lpd/images/Albion_1.jpg
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Is in that EM-155 Sea Lion some kind of cargo bay where you can have more vehicles.

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http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=655745#655745

I offer Wasp Class Amphibious Assault Ships (the type the US Navy uses in RL) and Helicopter Assault Ships at my naval store thread (link above).

More offers?

I would suggest United Elias' stuff or Freedom Countrys Navy (http://fcns.heateddebate.org) i have worked with both and they both supply very good equipment.

How much would EM-155 Sea Lion cost?

AMS-1A Tormentor Amphibious Assault Carrier

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In response to a growing need for assault craft capable of transporting large numbers of personnel, we have designed a newer, larger version of the standard Amphibious Attack Carrier. Capable of carrying up to 50 twin-rotor helicopters of the CH-46/47 or single rotor CH-53 type made by the United States, we feel that this ship is a must-have for anyone requiring a rapid strike force of Marines with dedicated air cover and transport capability.

The specifications are listed here for you convenience.

Power Plant: Two boilers (800 PSI), two geared steam turbines,
two shafts, 80,000 shaft horsepower
AMS-1 Agnos Electric [AE] "LM 2850 plus" nuclear turbine engines
Length: 950 feet (290 meters)
Beam: 180 feet (54.9 meters) at waterline, 241 feet (73.5 meters) w/flight deck elevators extended
Draft: 28 feet Maximum (Full Load) 37 feet at the stern (ballasted)
Displacement: Approx. 42,500 tons full load
Speed: 35 knots
Range: Unlimited
Fuel: Nuclear with capacity for 18yrs of operations plus 4,000 tons of aircraft fuel

Aircraft (Actual mix depends upon mission)

Up to 50 CH-53 type helicopters

Or

30 VSTOL aircraft
6 CH-53 helicopters

Or

75 attack helicopters of similar size to the AH-64

Landing Craft
8 AM-ALC-9 Landing craft
- 300 personnel capacity
and
10 MBT capacity or
20 AMG-98 light assault vehicle capacity or
12 APC capacity

Or

12 AM-ALC-7 Landing Craft
- 200 personnel capacity
And
8 MBT capacity or
15 AMG-98 light assault vehicle capacity or
9 APC capacity

Or

18 AM-ALC-16 hovercraft assault vehicles
- 100 personnel capacity
- 2 MBT
- 4 AMG-98 light assault vehicles

Armament
2 - Mk-1B 8-cannister launch platforms for AM-1 missiles
2 - Mk-17 4-cannister launch platforms for AM-2 missiles
4 - Mk-50 quad .50 calibre AA guns
4 - Mk-67 20mm rotary cannon point defense systems
Crew: 102 officers + 997 enlisted Ships Company
1,012 Ships Company crewmembers
1,600-2,000 Marine Detachment embarked troops

Unit Cost: 1.4 billion dollars or equivalent

Agnosticum, we are interested in having the Tormentor replace the Wasp class in the USN.

We would like to purchase 10 for now, and most likely more in the future.

The cost would be $14,000,000,000.

Can the EM-150 Dolphin/Piotr Hotamel class carry adapted Eurofighters?

Empire of Haukka is interested to purchase
one AMS-1A Tormentor Amphibious Assault Carrier
and 8 AM-ALC-9 Landing craft

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AMS-1A Tormentor Amphibious Assault Carrier

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/images/lst-4001_720-3-h.jpg
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/images/lst-4001_2.jpg

In response to a growing need for assault craft capable of transporting large numbers of personnel, we have designed a newer, larger version of the standard Amphibious Attack Carrier. Capable of carrying up to 50 twin-rotor helicopters of the CH-46/47 or single rotor CH-53 type made by the United States, we feel that this ship is a must-have for anyone requiring a rapid strike force of Marines with dedicated air cover and transport capability.

The specifications are listed here for you convenience.

Power Plant: Two boilers (800 PSI), two geared steam turbines,
two shafts, 80,000 shaft horsepower
AMS-1 Agnos Electric [AE] "LM 2850 plus" nuclear turbine engines
Length: 950 feet (290 meters)
Beam: 120 feet (36.6 meters) at waterline, 241 feet (73.5 meters) w/flight deck elevators extended
Draft: 28 feet Maximum (Full Load) 37 feet at the stern (ballasted)
Displacement: Approx. 42,500 tons full load
Speed: 35 knots
Range: Unlimited
Fuel: Nuclear with capacity for 18yrs of operations plus 4,000 tons of aircraft fuel

Aircraft (Actual mix depends upon mission)

Up to 50 CH-53 type helicopters

Or

30 VSTOL aircraft
6 CH-53 helicopters

Or

75 attack helicopters of similar size to the AH-64

Landing Craft
8 AM-ALC-9 Landing craft
- 300 personnel capacity
and
10 MBT capacity or
20 AMG-98 light assault vehicle capacity or
12 APC capacity

Or

12 AM-ALC-7 Landing Craft
- 200 personnel capacity
And
8 MBT capacity or
15 AMG-98 light assault vehicle capacity or
9 APC capacity

Or

18 AM-ALC-16 hovercraft assault vehicles
- 100 personnel capacity
- 2 MBT
- 4 AMG-98 light assault vehicles

Armament
2 - Mk-1B 8-cannister launch platforms for AM-1 missiles
2 - Mk-17 4-cannister launch platforms for AM-2 missiles
4 - Mk-50 quad .50 calibre AA guns
4 - Mk-67 20mm rotary cannon point defense systems
Crew: 102 officers + 997 enlisted Ships Company
1,012 Ships Company crewmembers
1,600-2,000 Marine Detachment embarked troops

Unit Cost: 1.4 billion dollars or equivalent

:shock: :roll: 50 CH-53s, the real ship can only accomodate 2!

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AMS-1A Tormentor Amphibious Assault Carrier


:shock: :roll: 50 CH-53s, the real ship can only accomodate 2!

Now that you've said your piece, the space needed to store a CH-53 is approximately 666 square feet. Not even using the maximum dimensions of my vessel (I hope you looked at those before jumping on me) you could fit 200 CH-53s onto it. My ship's dimensions are larger than those of the LHD-1 Wasp which is capable of carrying 32 aircraft of varying dimensions. The Tormentor cannot afford that same luxury. It's 50 helo capacity is defined by being able to store the 9 x 74 ft helo with rotors collapsed as they are during transport.

OOC: As for the picture, it is designed to give you an idea of what it is the ship looks like, not worked off of the original ship that is pictured there. I'd draw up my own shcematics for it, but until I get my own site, I'm not going to take the time to draw up a schematic I cannot post. If you have a problem with something I've done, take it up with me personally and I'll look at changing it. I don't give a damn what you think, basic math and study of the interior of these vessels indicates the ability to carry that number of aircraft with room to spare. Approximately 109,000 square feet.

All in all, I believe (and I've gotten support on this before) that I do a very good job of retaining realisitc numbers and figures for all of my equipment. TG me if you've got a problem and, like I said, I'll looka t fixing it. My ship is, for all intents and purposes, closer to your EM-150 in size and staure, actually being larger by close 200 feet in length and 125 in width. That comes out to 140,000 more square feet and twice your tonnage.

IC:
Alibakkar and Haukka, we have received your requests for these vessels and will commence construction shortly due, in part, to a lack of shipbuilding facilities available for these vessels. Your payments need not be made in direct cash and immediately, but may also come in the form of natural resources. Instead of purchasing the entirety of your vessels in currency, we would be willing to take substantial payment in the form of tungsten, aluminum and iron ores. All of these are required int eh construction of these vessels and would help alleviate the resource strain we are currently subject to due to a high number of orders and our own mining facilities barely being able to keep up with the demand.

Being the nation first submitting the proposal for an assault carrier, our soonest facility (most likely the Dukael shipping yards) will be devoted to the construction of Haukka's AMS-1A. Once the ship has been laid down, expect fourteen months before delivery as a number of upgrades are also being included, most notably the FABS (Foam Anti-Breach System) and the Goliath III targetting and sensor array.

The AM-ALC-9s are complimentary and come with the vessel.

Alibakkar, your order has been tendered and received for 10 vessels, however we must regret to inform you that immediate delivery is not going to be possible, nor is expedient delivery due to the high volume of naval orders. As is, our shipyards are busy on carrier projects and so we must wait until a second berth opens before we can begin on your orders. In approximately three months, we should have spots open at the Bakumar docks with which to begin the production of said vessels. Understand that for such a large order, it is going to take time to stockpile the required materials and personnel available so your ships will, most likely be produced one at a time or staggered slightly so that no more than two are being worked on at the same time. Expect between 15-16 months before completion of the first ship in your order.

Details:
We offer to anem the ships for you or we will simply deliver them to you as their designation, ie AMS-1A 13, etc.

yes I checked the specs, but the picture is just a bit misleading. Also wouldnt the deck have to be extremely strong and thus heavier to support the weight of those birds?

Not necessarily. The current decks of most amphibious carriers are of equal thickness to those of full-sized supercarriers. As a result, they are able to accept similar if not greater strain due to the more robust nature of an amphibious carrier's lower decks. Case and point, aircraft carriers are designed to move every plane above the deck in case of an emergency or for display. The 950 foot deck is longer by 50 feet than the USS Intrepid. If the USS Intrepid can fully display the 66 aircraft at her disposal, then the AMS-1A is of like ability with fewer aircraft.

A good portion of the extra tonnage I added into my carrier was the deck. I hate to actually figure out the tonnage of the deck, but if it's necessary I will. One thing to consider, also, however, is that most supercarrier and LHD decks are made from steel and metal alloys. I use composites as well as metals due to their lesser corrosion statistics and greater tensile strength as well as lighter weight per cubic foot.

Not necessarily. The current decks of most amphibious carriers are of equal thickness to those of full-sized supercarriers. As a result, they are able to accept similar if not greater strain due to the more robust nature of an amphibious carrier's lower decks. Case and point, aircraft carriers are designed to move every plane above the deck in case of an emergency or for display. The 950 foot deck is longer by 50 feet than the USS Intrepid. If the USS Intrepid can fully display the 66 aircraft at her disposal, then the AMS-1A is of like ability with fewer aircraft.

A good portion of the extra tonnage I added into my carrier was the deck. I hate to actually figure out the tonnage of the deck, but if it's necessary I will. One thing to consider, also, however, is that most supercarrier and LHD decks are made from steel and metal alloys. I use composites as well as metals due to their lesser corrosion statistics and greater tensile strength as well as lighter weight per cubic foot.

If you wanted to make the picture's more approproate to the ship, then you could find some pics of the new sea control/assault ship being built by Izar for teh Spanish Navy. Just an idea...

Not necessarily. The current decks of most amphibious carriers are of equal thickness to those of full-sized supercarriers. As a result, they are able to accept similar if not greater strain due to the more robust nature of an amphibious carrier's lower decks. Case and point, aircraft carriers are designed to move every plane above the deck in case of an emergency or for display. The 950 foot deck is longer by 50 feet than the USS Intrepid. If the USS Intrepid can fully display the 66 aircraft at her disposal, then the AMS-1A is of like ability with fewer aircraft.

A good portion of the extra tonnage I added into my carrier was the deck. I hate to actually figure out the tonnage of the deck, but if it's necessary I will. One thing to consider, also, however, is that most supercarrier and LHD decks are made from steel and metal alloys. I use composites as well as metals due to their lesser corrosion statistics and greater tensile strength as well as lighter weight per cubic foot.

If you wanted to make the picture's more approproate to the ship, then you could find some pics of the new sea control/assault ship being built by Izar for teh Spanish Navy. Just an idea...

Not necessarily. The current decks of most amphibious carriers are of equal thickness to those of full-sized supercarriers. As a result, they are able to accept similar if not greater strain due to the more robust nature of an amphibious carrier's lower decks. Case and point, aircraft carriers are designed to move every plane above the deck in case of an emergency or for display. The 950 foot deck is longer by 50 feet than the USS Intrepid. If the USS Intrepid can fully display the 66 aircraft at her disposal, then the AMS-1A is of like ability with fewer aircraft.

A good portion of the extra tonnage I added into my carrier was the deck. I hate to actually figure out the tonnage of the deck, but if it's necessary I will. One thing to consider, also, however, is that most supercarrier and LHD decks are made from steel and metal alloys. I use composites as well as metals due to their lesser corrosion statistics and greater tensile strength as well as lighter weight per cubic foot.

If you wanted to make the picture's more approproate to the ship, then you could find some pics of the new sea control/assault ship being built by Izar for teh Spanish Navy. Just an idea...

This arrangement is satisactory in the eyes of the USN. The Wasp would have been retiring early, now it will reach it's service life+ 2 months.

We will pay half of the money now, and half when the last ship is delivered.

We will name our own ships.

OOC: That is IC, right? I can't wait til '05 for these guys. :D

Haukka:

The standard price of the EM-155 hull design is 320 million, we understand you wish to place an order for a/some vessels and require confirmation of the number required. (sry deleted teh t-gram accidentally)
Currently orders for this type and indeed other Elias Marine designs are relatively quiet and due the massive waves of orders that seem to come in short bursts, our shipyard capacity is good. Completion of each hull should only take 12-18 months due to the fact that many of the components are premanufactured. Also effeciency has increased since we switched form traditional 'hull up' ship buidling to a modular system.

Modular ship production begins with hundreds of smaller subassemblies in which piping sections, ventilation ducting, and other shipboard hardware, as well as major machinery items, such as main propulsion equipment, generators, and electrical panels are installed. The preoutfitted subassemblies are then joined with others to form assemblies which are welded together to form complete hull and superstructure modules. These giant ship modules, each weighing thousands of tons, are joined together on land to form the completed ship hull prior to launch. The result of this early outfitting and modular construction is a ship more than 70 percent complete at launch.

Elias Marine's ship launch and recovery process is just as innovative as its the Company's new production methods. Completed ship hulls are rolled, on a rail transfer system, from the construction area to a floating drydock for launch. The drydock is then positioned over a deep-water pit and ballasted down, allowing the ship to float free. Following launch, each ship is taken to an outfitting pier for champagne christening, final outfitting, dockside and at-sea predelivery testing and onboard crew training.

To United Elias: Empire of Haukka wishes to purchase three EM-155 Sea Lion.
To Agnosticium:Empire of Haukka can pay some of the cost with aluminium and/or uranium.

The EM-150 Dolphin/Piotr Hotamel class was developed by The Elias Marine Corporation and Bisonic Defence Initiatives Agency (BDIA) in a response to a requirement for an amphibious assault ship that could also perform the role of a light aircraft carrier and sea control ship.

The ship is highly capable and features modern defence systems such as the Sea Javelin missile system and SLQ-32 Jamming suite. The ship is designed to be extremely flexible as it can be used in either the amphibious role, the helicopter assault role or as a light aircraft carrier.

-Name: EM-150 Dolphin/Piotr Hotamel
-Class: Assault ship (LHD)
-Displacement: 24,800 tons
-Length: 772 feet
-Width: 115 feet
-Compliment: 923
-Propulsion: 4x 12,000 hp Gas Turbines driving two shafts and a bow thruster.
-Max Speed: 26 kts
-Armament: 6 Ak-603 CIWS 6000 rpm 30mm cannons, 2 sets of 8 cell Mk 29 launchers for Sea Javelin SAM (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35421)


-Aircraft: up to 22 ‘slots’ for VSTOL aircraft (such as F-35, Yak-141, sea Harrier) or medium helicopters (such as Puma, Blackhawk, Mi-17 etc) in any combination. Large helicopters such as the (CH-53E or CH-47) would take up two ‘slots’ and smaller helicopters such as Hueys or Cobras would take up about 3/4 of a ‘slot’ etc. Up to two Mi-26s can be accommodated on deck but not in the hangar. 12 degree ski jump included.

-Military Lift:
Well deck can accommodate up to three LCACs or six smaller landing craft.
Ship can accommodate up to 1,070 troops.
Cargo hold has 22,000 square feet of vehicle stowage space
-Countermeasures: 6 SROC 6 barreled Mk36 Chaff launchers, SLAQ-25 torpedo decoys, and SLQ-32 electronic intercept jammers.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/Luigi-Einaudi-NUM.jpg
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/num/images/num_model2.jpg
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/num_takeoff1.jpg


EM-150/ Piotr Hotamel class: $1.2 billion

(if you require helicopters for your vessel please click here:
EA-24 Multipurpose helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40824)
EA-26 Attack Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68324&highlight=)
EA-28 Light/Scout Special Forces Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66401))
ill take 10, money wired on confermation.

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Memorandum For: Haukka Defense Minister
From: Cyan Bloodworth, Vice President, AGNOS Arms Manufacturing
Subject: Procurement Costs

Sir/Madam,

We would be very interested in a deal including aluminum as it is one of the primary materials in many of our composites in that it is lightweight but also relatively strong and non-magnetic. If you would inform us of how many tons and the price per ton that youa re willing to negotiate then we are in agreement with the barter of aluminum to defray the costs of procurement.

Unfortunately, we are also a producer of uranium, all reactor-grade, not weapons grade as we have recently been a part of a non-proliferation summit on the subject of nuclear weapons. Typically, we would be more than willing to use uranium as a commodity for trade but our own surplus would enable us to only offer you less than market value for the the precious resource which we find as undesirable as you probably do.

We await your decision in this matter.

[signed]
CYAN BLOODWORTH, Vice President
AGNOS Arms Manufacturing

This arrangement is satisactory in the eyes of the USN. The Wasp would have been retiring early, now it will reach it's service life+ 2 months.

We will pay half of the money now, and half when the last ship is delivered.

We will name our own ships.

OOC: That is IC, right? I can't wait til '05 for these guys. :D

OOC: Yes, that time frame is IC. I typically simulate 1 day = 1 month. I go with 1 month = 4 weeks, thus 6 hrs=1 week (no Sundays), 1 hr = 1 day. Of coruse that is all for delivery/manufacturing purposes. RPs are, of course, operate on a much extended timeline.

Well I do not know prices of aluminium or other metals. Would something like 4-10% of cost paid with aluminum be good?

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Well I do not know prices of aluminium or other metals. Would something like 4-10% of cost paid with aluminum be good?

That's fine. We'll simply figure market rate and add 5% to that for a fair buy. We'll contact you soon with a tonnage required.

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