NationStates Jolt Archive

What would it take for you to replace your standard issue rifle? What are you looking for in a weapon? What caliber? etc.

Har Land is creating new weapons for istelf, her allies, and some new weapons for sale. But before our reseearch teams dive too far into the program, we want to know, what would make you either:
A)Buy a rifle for major use in your military
B)Replace your current Standard issue weapon

It'd have to beat our current rifle, the HK G36, in both performance and reliability, at a price that would make a nationwide refit cost-effective.

Well it would have to win a shoot off with lots of other competting designs and then improve 200% on our current rifle in all respects.

Yes this is totally unrealistic but it is what the US did in the 1980s.

Unfortuantly using mod tech it is very very difficult to improve on our rifles but then you aren't really aiming at the likes of Crookfur are you? ;)


Anyway the best tip i cna give you in making a really great rifle is: Do not use 5.56mm NATO!!!!

Oh and nice cutom pic helps(a decent hack and slash pic edit works wonders).

This rifle that I'm making will be hand drawn. Combining some real world parts, with some unique designs. Most likely the ammo type will be 7.62. But I am creating several weapons at the same time. So several ammo types may be created.

OOC: I'm a decent drawer, this was my last creation:

http://www.tacticalblunder.com/~uploads/Harnu/nssr40small.jpg

Thread about it (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1879715)

I would like to purchase a new standard issue weapon for my military force in the following categories:

Anti-Armor
Anti-Air
Anti-Infantry

Rifle
Belt fed-stationary machine gun
Squad support weapon

If you have any of these, please post the pictures to I may inspect them

If you could successfully design an assault rifle with 3 MOA or lower, beating the accuracy of my ESMA, you're on... but of course, until then, accuracy is what I always intend to improve on the weapons... and with backed funding from my entire region... :D You're gonna be hard cut to beat me... But if you do, goddamn, I admire you!

The American Alliance currently has no standard weapon butinstead allows its soldiers to use any rifle which can chamber and fire 5.56mm (.223 Remington) rounds, of course if you were to develop a rifle using a different cartridge, we would not be interested.

We're interested...

1. Reliability. We need something that will continue to function after much abuse, like an AK-47.
2. Quality. We want something that's accurate, with enough stopping power to nail disable somebody in 2 or less shots. Something with a little more range than your average rifle, but without the atrocious recoil.
3. Cost. We want something cheap enough to be mass produced and issued to every man/woman in our army.

For calibre, we'd prefer something around the 7.62 standard NATO round, although deviating from that a little would be acceptable if stopping power was retained. Also, we want something that's simple; a scope, alternative fire modes (Semi-auto, Burst, etc), and the possible addition of other modules such as silencers, grenade launchers.

We are interested in this project, and wish to collaborate. We can assist with funds and manpower.

We're interested...

1. Reliability. We need something that will continue to function after much abuse, like an AK-47.
2. Quality. We want something that's accurate, with enough stopping power to nail disable somebody in 2 or less shots. Something with a little more range than your average rifle, but without the atrocious recoil.
3. Cost. We want something cheap enough to be mass produced and issued to every man/woman in our army.

For calibre, we'd prefer something around the 7.62 standard NATO round, although deviating from that a little would be acceptable if stopping power was retained. Also, we want something that's simple; a scope, alternative fire modes (Semi-auto, Burst, etc), and the possible addition of other modules such as silencers, grenade launchers.

We are interested in this project, and wish to collaborate. We can assist with funds and manpower.

When my ESMA (Engagement - Standard Military Assault) Rifle comes out, you might want to give it a go around. It has a 4 MoA group, really excellent accuracy, considering, with a RoF of about 1000 RPM (few weapons can keep up with it; it's a close competitor with the FAMAS), with three firing modes (single, burst, automatic) and several variation models. Bayonets, M203 grenade launchers, scopes with up to 20x mag, and laser sights can be put on the body of the weapon. The caliber is 5.52 (.553 remington) with either a 30 round clip or an alternative 50 or 70 round ammo drum. It can be disassembled into three main parts (barrel, stock, trigger) and can dual purpose with the removed barrel as a hand-held assault rifle or handgun. Range is about 650 meters, standard assault rifle range, and the weapon is in bullpup configuartion: excellent for decreased recoil. It weighs about 7 kg when loaded, so its a heavy mother but it cuts the recoil down to nill. The Esma also comes in several converted forms: D1 standard assaul configuration, D2 modified machine sniper, D3 commando, D4 miniature, and D5 SWAT.

I think you'd rather like it when it comes out. Expect it in a few days. Me and my region are busy working ourselves together at present, and once this is finished, we'll have a few storefronts up... that gun was a b**** to make and fund, too. Just advertising before hand... also check out the ASTAS if you ever get the chance. Great tactical shotgun! There's a thread on it floating around somewhere.

Well, I'm currently replacing the H&K G36 with the OICW (which is proving to be quite expensive), though I'm interested in what you may produce in the future.

Well, I'm currently replacing the H&K G36 with the OICW (which is proving to be quite expensive), though I'm interested in what you may produce in the future.

I would highly advise agaisnt this. As the OICW is better suited to be a support weapon, or a specialty weapon. It's much too large to have practical use in a battle field. I.E. How often do you see a soldier laying down with an OICW? It has a lot of bells and whistles, but it doesn't seem like it can cut it as a stanrd issue infantry weapon issued to all soldiers.

When my ESMA (Engagement - Standard Military Assault) Rifle comes out, you might want to give it a go around. It has a 4 MoA group, really excellent accuracy, considering, with a RoF of about 1000 RPM (few weapons can keep up with it; it's a close competitor with the FAMAS), with three firing modes (single, burst, automatic) and several variation models. Bayonets, M203 grenade launchers, scopes with up to 20x mag, and laser sights can be put on the body of the weapon. The caliber is 5.52 (.553 remington) with either a 30 round clip or an alternative 50 or 70 round ammo drum. It can be disassembled into three main parts (barrel, stock, trigger) and can dual purpose with the removed barrel as a hand-held assault rifle or handgun. Range is about 650 meters, standard assault rifle range, and the weapon is in bullpup configuartion: excellent for decreased recoil. It weighs about 7 kg when loaded, so its a heavy mother but it cuts the recoil down to nill. The Esma also comes in several converted forms: D1 standard assaul configuration, D2 modified machine sniper, D3 commando, D4 miniature, and D5 SWAT.

I think you'd rather like it when it comes out. Expect it in a few days. Me and my region are busy working ourselves together at present, and once this is finished, we'll have a few storefronts up... that gun was a b**** to make and fund, too. Just advertising before hand... also check out the ASTAS if you ever get the chance. Great tactical shotgun! There's a thread on it floating around somewhere.
We're interested in the rifle. We've been searching for a weapon that will fit the heavy assault role, and we like a closer look at it... We'll take 96 for testing when you complete your prototypes.

We'll hold on the shotgun, as we already have several other types in consideration...

Well, I'm currently replacing the H&K G36 with the OICW (which is proving to be quite expensive), though I'm interested in what you may produce in the future.

I would highly advise agaisnt this. As the OICW is better suited to be a support weapon, or a specialty weapon. It's much too large to have practical use in a battle field. I.E. How often do you see a soldier laying down with an OICW? It has a lot of bells and whistles, but it doesn't seem like it can cut it as a stanrd issue infantry weapon issued to all soldiers.

C'mon the thought of 3 men with semi-auto, flat trajectory 20mm grenades, now if they just upped the caliber from the 5.56 to 6.5 or so, it'd be perfect. That is a ton of firepower for 3 men.

The caliber is 5.52 (.553 remington) with either a 30 round clip or an alternative 50 or 70 round ammo drum. you had better research that a little better as would find that the caliber that you made up would be very impractical.\



Eastern Detroit, how bout 1 man with a 25mm grenade machine gun and the other 2 with rifles that aren't cumbersome hulks of plastic. I'd think that would be much better.

BAh all you need is 1 guy with a flat tagectory 20mm or 25mm rapid fire (full auto) weapon ie the OCSW and yes the ocsw will be firable from a bipod and lighter than current GPMGs (if used with a bipod and not counting the fire control sight which weights in at 2-3kg).

persoanlly while parts of the OICW are nice the whole thing is just too complicated and bulky for anything more than specilist use.

The caliber is 5.52 (.553 remington) with either a 30 round clip or an alternative 50 or 70 round ammo drum. you had better research that a little better as would find that the caliber that you made up would be very impractical.\



Eastern Detroit, how bout 1 man with a 25mm grenade machine gun and the other 2 with rifles that aren't cumbersome hulks of plastic. I'd think that would be much better.

the only Grenade machinegun i know of is the MK 19 40mm GMG and that is hardly man portable(i'm not saying there isn't others but something like that hardly seems man portable.)

The caliber is 5.52 (.553 remington) with either a 30 round clip or an alternative 50 or 70 round ammo drum. you had better research that a little better as would find that the caliber that you made up would be very impractical.\



Eastern Detroit, how bout 1 man with a 25mm grenade machine gun and the other 2 with rifles that aren't cumbersome hulks of plastic. I'd think that would be much better.

the only Grenade machinegun i know of is the MK 19 40mm GMG and that is hardly man portable(i'm not saying there isn't others but something like that hardly seems man portable.)

The caliber is 5.52 (.553 remington) with either a 30 round clip or an alternative 50 or 70 round ammo drum. you had better research that a little better as would find that the caliber that you made up would be very impractical.\



Eastern Detroit, how bout 1 man with a 25mm grenade machine gun and the other 2 with rifles that aren't cumbersome hulks of plastic. I'd think that would be much better.

the only Grenade machinegun i know of is the MK 19 40mm GMG and that is hardly man portable(i'm not saying there isn't others but something like that hardly seems man portable.)

You are correct currently the only gmg in US Inventory is the mk19, however, when the OICW was scrapped, the development of a new 25mm grenade machine gun the "XM307 OCSW system" and a 5.56mm assault rifle the "XM-8" was annouced. These two weapons will be developed seperately. The XM-8 will replace the M-16 and the XM307 OCSW system will replace the M2 .50cal machine gun. With the 25mm GMG replacing the M2, it also will remove the need for a 20mm grenade launcher to be intergrated with the XM-8.

Actually there are numerous GMGs availble soem of them being very light weight compared to thier peers

the Mk47 stryker is 18kg from general dynamics (developer of the OCSW), the SLWAGL from STTkinetics is 14kg and the HK GMGL is the fat man at 25kg.

of course the XM307 at 11kg is very light (same weight as the M240).

while we neither manufacture nor import lethal force, the standard kit of our millitias and reservisets consists of staff of themnax, power bands, belt of xendo and elvin cloak, none of which fire lethal projectiles but the combination has proven quite adiquitly effective. especialy when suplimented at need with the larger one man excavating tool from the mining industry which makes nice big deep holes wherever it is pointed, in almost complete silence. negative gravity robotic 'troups' equiped with long range stun weapons and psionic interfacing have also proved adiquite and sufficient. in short, we have no need and less desire to possess or deploy gratuitous lethality.
rapid deployment microbots have also proven quite effective.
along with a wide range of other tactical and stratigic devices of quite capable effectiveness of which we seldom mention or need to.

we only wish to call to your attention that effective alternatives to lethal force can and do exist

now if anyone is interested in power bands which are also sometimes called bracers of stun, or our multifunction 'staff of themnax' or the other devices mentioned and would like further details and perhaps have items we would consider usefull to offer in trade be sure to let us know

=^^=
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Oops! Sorry, I was thinking something different when I published the caliber on my assault rifle! It's 5.56mm (.223rem)! :oops: That was humiliating.

It'd have to be as reliable than our guns (which are more reliable than AKs...), use the same (7mm saboted) ammuntion, be fully ambidextrous, lighter, and shorter.
Well, I'm currently replacing the H&K G36 with the OICW (which is proving to be quite expensive), though I'm interested in what you may produce in the future.The OICW is big, heavy, and short-ranged.

Well, I'm currently replacing the H&K G36 with the OICW (which is proving to be quite expensive), though I'm interested in what you may produce in the future.

I would highly advise agaisnt this. As the OICW is better suited to be a support weapon, or a specialty weapon. It's much too large to have practical use in a battle field. I.E. How often do you see a soldier laying down with an OICW? It has a lot of bells and whistles, but it doesn't seem like it can cut it as a stanrd issue infantry weapon issued to all soldiers.

C'mon the thought of 3 men with semi-auto, flat trajectory 20mm grenades, now if they just upped the caliber from the 5.56 to 6.5 or so, it'd be perfect. That is a ton of firepower for 3 men.

Of course its a lot of firepower. But it just isn't practical enough to fully integrate. The rifle is too big and bulky to effectively use. Like i said before, have you ever seen a soldier in a prone position firing it? And when its batteries run out, all the bells and whisles go bye bye, and it goes back to a 20mm grenade launcher with a 5.56 rifle. Whereas a 5.56M16 with a 40mm M203 is about hte equivalent. The 40mm doesn't go straight, but thats why people are trained to fire it.

Well, I'm currently replacing the H&K G36 with the OICW (which is proving to be quite expensive), though I'm interested in what you may produce in the future.

Very good choice, I would have to say. I was considering trying to mess around with the grenade launcher, caliber, and RoF. Of course, it could be a bad idea. Like my full-auto sub-sonic rifle line. Great stealth weapons, but they didn't have enough punch to kill something. Though, it had a small enough kick that you could just keep on firing and still be really accurate.

I've made considerable progress on the design on one of the new rifles. It fires a 7.62x41 round. This allows considerable stopping power. 30rd. magazines are it's standard. HIgher capacity Cmags are in the works. MoA is somewhat high, but relatively low of a large caliber weapon. Counter-weight and anti-recoil spring system are being designed to lower it. (Aiming for a MoA of 3-4.5 at 100-200 yards)

Almost done with the 7.62

http://www.tacticalblunder.com/~uploads/Harnu/har76.jpg

Anyone have any suggestions for this weapon?