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M-26UM Main Battle Tank

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Design

Designed to combat all other Main Battle Tanks in the world, the M-26 has had everything we own put into it. Design was VERY important, and we have had all our autobile companinies, tank manufacturers and some experts from other countries helping us. We now go over it with you now, in depth.

It is based on the old T-80, and more lately on the T-80UK. We like the idea of the tank, and wanted to capitalise on it. The turret and hull combine well and look sleek and low figured, ideal for a main battle tank. It also had to allow for a large gun with lots of recoil, which has been catered for with design modifications.

Turret siding has been installed, and the smoke dispensers have been moved to a position on the side which is clearly seen. ATGM pods have been installed, and Mud and bullet deflectors have been positioned on the turret. Various new electronics and periscopes have been installed, which are detailed in 'systems'.

The turret has been moved forward to allow for a very large engine, a 1500 Horsepower Hydrogen Turbo Charged KZ-76 Battle Tank engine, which is state of the art, and will be placed on all our tanks, hopefully for the next few generations. The engine is strategically placed in a well armored section, which is well armored on the top as well as sides.

On the new updated UM version, there is a new armor to boot. The armor has just recently been invented, and never tried before in a tank. It is constructed of a titanium alloy in an epoxy-resin honeycomb. This means that the whole thing is very, very strong, and is the strongest material on earth. It surpasses the Ti/C, DU and Chobham-2 armor, and is the bestm in the world. We are very, very proud of this armor.

The armor amounts vary around the tank. The frontal armor is enough to stop an 140mm shell, which is quite much in this modern world. The side armor is designed to stop srtillery and AT rockets, and is stronger around the gine and crew sections. It can stop and has stopped 110mm, but is mainly designed to counter IFV's, Javelin Systems and various artillery munitions.

The rear armor is just enough to stop 50-90mm shells, Javelin Rockets, and AT rockets, The top armor is very protective, and can stop Javelin rockets, 120mm artillery and most Helicopter fired unguided munitions. Cluster bombs can easily be dealt with aswell. The floppy plastic things on the sides are made of Fiber Glass and Ceramics for bullet protection to te electronics, and help with the NBC systems using lead. The side skirts are made of the same material but thicker, for mine protection. If asked for, the tank can be given Kontakt-6 2nd Generation ERA for some extra $$$.

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The crew are situated in various positions. The driver sits in the front of the tank, in front of the protective shield that blocks the front end of the tank from the turret. The commander and Gunner sit under the turret, and the autolader takes up quite a lot of space under the cannon. It is all very secure, and there are blast proof walls between each position.There is easy exit doors and maintenance hatches throughout, and most areas can be accesed without removing the turret.

Systems

This is where this tank is really special. The systems on this tnak are expensive, special, quick and very, very user friendly. Software companies around the world were contacted to create and update these systems, and we pulled many ropes to get these programs. Most are updated versions of our old systems, witha few new ones aswell.

First off, there is the Joint Tactical Infomation Distrubtion System. It allows tanks to talk to other tanks, records and sends data and manages the tanks communications systems. It is high speed and is managed by the SuperComputer just in front of the engine. It looks after inter-tank and inside tank information, and can communicate with any JTIDS equipped vehilce/unit on the planet. It either uses Sattelite Communication or laser Communication.

The little antinnae on the tanks roof does a lot. It transmits all satellite, radio and laser communications to communicate in any way. It is directly linked to the SuperComputer and can transmit to any covered area on the globe. This may seem minor, but is central in communication.

The 360 degree camra systems are mounted on the roof and are intergrated with the Thermal and Night Vision Imaging systems. There are 2, for the Gunner and Commander. Screens at each position show the tanks status and various other things which are monitored by sensors and the SuperComputer.

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The targetting system is enabled by both the gunner and commander. It conveys messages to the Autoloader, co-axial gun and turret mounted gun. The aiming sytem incorporates wind, temperature and target positioning and caters for it in adjusting the gun. The gunne can even target manually. It can be set to aim at Heat giving objects or targets given to it by the JTIDS. It also manages the targetting of the Anti Missile Laser, depending on which mode it is set to. This means quick and effective anti missile targeting.

The tank economy system monitors the engine and tread movement and modifies it depending on where the gunner wants the tank to go. It also varies the water exhaust flow, and manages the movement controls. A full NBC system is installed with filters in between the crew compartments and various exhaust systems.

The Jammer installed is a Multi-Frequency Electronic Jammer, nicknamed ARENA-4. It can jam electronics up to 600 metres away guranteed and less so for hardened systems. For extra dosh, an anti jammer jammer called Dragon can be installed.

The supercmputer itself is ultra fast and can hold, give and pass onn info in nano seconds. It is liquid cooled, amazingly by the liquid produced by the engine. It maintains everything in the tank, and is vital.

Weaponary

A large cannon was needed for the tank, and the boys who made the M-22 tank destroyer were kind to oblige. The 145mm Electro Thermal is lethal. It can take out the full front armor of a M1A2, hell, it can take out the front armor of a T-96. It can be fired while moving

The secondary weapon is the co-axially mounted 12.7mm Machine Gun, which reaches 550 rounds per minute, and is placed on the right of the 145mm gun. On top of the turret is a 7.62mm PKM Machien Gun which can fire 650 rounds a minute for anti infantary use.

Various ATGM's can be fitted on the tank. 4 Kornet ATGM's can be fitted in the visible front launchers, ATGM's can be fired from the main gun and there are 3 internal launchers on each side of the turret, under hatches. These can easily take out any APC and most IFV's.

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The laser anti missile system is also installed. It can take out ATGM's, RPG's and even Tank Shells. It is operated by the onboard computer, and is very, very accurate. So far we have had a 100% accuracy record. It is crucial in defendng the tank, and makes it basically unkillable from anything but another tank.

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There are, as you can see, 6 Smoke Grenade dispensers on each side and 4 not visible on the rear. 12 Are loaded with smoke grenades, 2 with Flares and 2 with Chaff. As an extra that can be fitted, 2 SAM missiles can be loaded on each side of the turret. Again for extra $$$.

Anyway, we very much hope you like our tank and once more....stats:

Designation: M-26UM Advanced Main Battle Tank
Crew: 3
Combat Weight: 47.0 mt
Chassis Length Overall: 7.01m
Height Overall: 2.20m
Width Overall: 3.60m
Engine Type: A 1500 h.p. KZ-75 Hydrogen Turbo Charged
Cruising Range: 635 km
Max Road: 43 mph
Max Off-Road: 29 mph
Radio: KZ-174 Intercom
Armor Turret Front: Against 140-mm ammunition
Applique Armor: Side of hull , over track skirt
Explosive Reactive Armor: Kontakt-6 3rd Generation ERA
Active Protective System: ARENA-3 is available
Mineclearing Equipment: Roller-plow set and plows available
Self-Entrenching Blade: Capable
NBC Protection System: Filters and Self Seal
Smoke Equipment: Sixteen 40mm Dispensers
Main Armament: 145-mm ETC.
Rate of Fire: 7-8 RPM
Loader Type: INFINITE separate-loading autoloader
Ready/Stowed Rounds: 9 in carousel, 18 stowed (Auto loaded)
Stowed Rounds: 10 rounds (Manual Loaded into Loader)
Elevation: -6 to +22
Fire on Move: Yes (steady holder)
Secondary Weapon: 7.62-mm (7.62x 54R) Machinegun PKM
Co-axial Weapon: M2 .50 cal MG
ATGM Launchers: 4 Kornet ATGM's in each pod, 3 in turret sides.
Rangefinder: Laser
Infrared Searchlight: Yes

Cost:$3,600,000

Add on features:

Kontakt-6 2nd Generation ERA: $150,000

Igla-SKZ SAM Missiles: $60,000

Conventional Diesel Engine: Minus $150,000

Conventional Cannon Minus: $50,000

Thankyou

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Ah! This took over an hour to type!

You should make topic "New Tank that beats Dark Terror's crap"

You should make topic "New Tank that beats Dark Terror's crap"

Isn't that everything?

Greetings, Kazaksthania, I don't have to tell you tht this impresses us, you know that everything you make impresses us.

This looks like a very good tank to own, so we would like to purchase 50. This comes to the cost of $175'000'000 which we are more than happy to pay for this tank.

The money will be wired on confirmation and as always a fleet of LCAC's will be at your port 2 hours after confirmation.

Thank you,

Tai Pyro, Cheif of Defence
Kazaaksithan Military
Kazaakisthan

Order Confirmed.

We will give you 25 free since you are an ally.

Thank you very much. We have pointed 7 people to your stores in the last week.

Thankyou, my ally.

I hope to do the same to you. Look aout for an Mi-39 and a KA-60 ugrade soon.

Withdrawing my offer.

As the leader of an Army famed for its Heavy Cavalry Divisions i must say that that tank looks incredulously like a T-80 with the new Advanced 21st Century ERA and what looks like a track overhaul. The SEP and the 21st Century advancement and digitization when applied to the abrams goes above and beyond every single new design of tank that comes from a 'soviet' side of things. The original M1 with the 90mm gun could easily gun down that tank. Now Kazakhstania (sorry if mis-spelled) as a quality weapons exporter i would expect much more.

OOC: If your looking for a tank to exploit that not many in the western world have seen please Telegram me, most won't have seen this thing, should be a good bit of export material.

OOC: It can't have a 100% success rating against shells and missiles, it just can't. Anti ICBM missiles are only about 40-50% sucessful against a much larger target, your laser cannot be perfect. Put it around 75% for realism.

<OOC: KAF-90E can kill this thing... no problem Besides, how does ETC work? Do you even know?>

OOC: Sorry, I meant against ATGM's. I didn't mean any confusion by it, its range is about 200m. Not for ICBM, it doesnt really look it does it :)

And no, a 90mm gun could not kill it. It has ERA, fantastic armor, a bigger cannon than the M1A2, better electronics and armor than an M1A2. All in all, its better than the M1A2.

I would like to buy 200 M-26 Battle Tanks.

That will be $700,000,000

*money wired upon confirmation*

OOC: Sorry, I meant against ATGM's. I didn't mean any confusion by it, its range is about 200m. Not for ICBM, it doesnt really look it does it :)

And no, a 90mm gun could not kill it. It has ERA, fantastic armor, a bigger cannon than the M1A2, better electronics and armor than an M1A2. All in all, its better than the M1A2.

OOC: I was using ICBMs vs anti-ICBM systems as an example, your tank won't have 100% effectiveness against ATGMs and RPGs.

No it isn't actually better than the M1A2 Abrams, ERA armour is fitted to tanks that have no ceramic 2nd/3rd Gen Chobham armour, i.e. the British Challenger 1/2 and the Abrams. The Abrams also has inner armour in the form of Depleted Uranium and with the SEP and armour uprgrades the tanks density is increased up to and including 240% and so NO the tank you are 'manufacturing' is not better and it does not have a bigger gun than the Abrams, the tank you are advertising has the Eastern 'copy' of the L7 Rifled gun, I.E. not better than the M256 Rheinmetal Smoothboorer cannon on the Abrams. I would be more than happy to place an Abrams against this tank and would like to see who wins, of course its a widely known fact (if you know tanks) that the Abrams uses the Sabot APFSDS round that will cut through ERA like a knife through warmed up butter, there have been tests, with pictures showing the extent of the damage. The round that ERA is supposed to combat is HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) and to a certain extent HESH (High Explosive Squashed Head) ammo.
I am more than happy to test your tank against an M1A2 Abrams.

OOC: The tank in the pictures is a RUSSIAN DESIGNED AND BUILT (though not mass produced) T-84 tank. This tank never made it to mass production, the gun you have 'applied' to it does not exist and auto loaders limit the amount of ammunition and the gun needs to return to a 0+/0- level when reloading. This tank was tried, tested and FAILED and thats why its is confined to the Russian Armour Museum and Development Centre.

No it isn't actually better than the M1A2 Abrams, ERA armour is fitted to tanks that have no ceramic 2nd/3rd Gen Chobham armour, i.e. the British Challenger 1/2 and the Abrams. The Abrams also has inner armour in the form of Depleted Uranium and with the SEP and armour uprgrades the tanks density is increased up to and including 240% and so NO the tank you are 'manufacturing' is not better and it does not have a bigger gun than the Abrams, the tank you are advertising has the Eastern 'copy' of the L7 Rifled gun, I.E. not better than the M256 Rheinmetal Smoothboorer cannon on the Abrams. I would be more than happy to place an Abrams against this tank and would like to see who wins, of course its a widely known fact (if you know tanks) that the Abrams uses the Sabot APFSDS round that will cut through ERA like a knife through warmed up butter, there have been tests, with pictures showing the extent of the damage. The round that ERA is supposed to combat is HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) and to a certain extent HESH (High Explosive Squashed Head) ammo.
I am more than happy to test your tank against an M1A2 Abrams.

And I'd put my Merkava or T80 varient up against an M1A2 anyday. :p

2 billion for production rights. Wired if confirmed.

DT's tanks own yours. Simply put. And also, the M1A2 Abrams is not a very good tank. You think it is because of all the media attention, and the US Military is not going to say "Well our crews call the Abrams the coffin on treads". Did I mention the Abrams gets so hot, it can't have infantry support. Anyways back on track - While its not as good as DT's tanks (pheonix's doesn't even come close ;)) your getting there, keep up the good work. We'll take 42.

Ok...ok....

Anyway, you knwo what makes me so angry?

These n00bs saying the M1A2 is better than this....and they havent even read the stats!!

The M1A2 has an 120mm gun...this has 125mm ETC....which is as powerful and an 140mm conventional gun! And they say the Abrams is better!

Havent they seen what i have done? I have updated it, redone the armor to better or equal to DU....and look at the electronics! They are better than the M1A2 second to none.

I get your point Artista, the M1A2 is crappy, but I am trying to proove these trigger happy oafs that this is better than it! Everythign about it....

Next time, dummies, try reading the stats before making an accusation.

my challenger tank would kick that right into next week :twisted:

2 billion for production rights. Wired if confirmed.

can I have those 42?

A Challenger One!!! Dont make me laugh.....

Anyway, Artista, no, you'll probably use it as target practice.

Prod rights are not for sale, sorry.

TARGET PRACTICE?! Who do you think I am? GeForce?! You'll never make business that way!

Pheonix's tanks are for Target practice, yours are for my reserve and training companies, as they are similar to DT's in design.

Ive had way too many my-tanks-being-blown-up pictures.

Anyway, order confirmed. I dont believe in Pheonix's tanks anyway....

i would like 30,285 M-26 Main Battle Tank please.



Money auto wired cost about 106 billion

2 Billion 200 Thousand for Production rights.
*money wired* if allowed.

ill take 500, they look OK but there are better ones around. these will be for reserve training and for taking on any 5million pop nation that attacks me, i have a 155mm gunned MBT for the hard nuts.
I wont use them for target practise, i use old challengers, and M-60s for that stuff.

Actually, 155mm is impractical and impossible.

Confirmed. Prod rights are NOT for sale.

BS
Well then Ill take 50
*money wired*

BS?

Anyway, Order Confirmed.

BS stands for Bullshit.

Thats new to me...

Obviously no one here studies tanks or knows the least bit about them, media hype about the Abrams-WHERE? All of you obviously know nothing about the workings of MBT's, and don't even think about challenging and Abrams with an Israeli Merkava or an old Russian T80 because the Abrams has beaten both of those tanks, the T80 in actual combat and the latest Merkava in a Firepower and Armour conducted during July with the US Cavalry.

Shut up and stop spamming.

This is UPGRADED.

Obviously no one here studies tanks or knows the least bit about them, media hype about the Abrams-WHERE? All of you obviously know nothing about the workings of MBT's, and don't even think about challenging and Abrams with an Israeli Merkava or an old Russian T80 because the Abrams has beaten both of those tanks, the T80 in actual combat and the latest Merkava in a Firepower and Armour conducted during July with the US Cavalry.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but in what war did the M1A2 fight the T80 in combat conditions? and even further, im willing to bet it was not a T-80UM.

1000 for $3,500,000,000. Wired upon confirmation.

We'll take 200 M-26 tanks @ $3.5 million each.

$750 million wired.

Pheonix's tanks are for Target practice, yours are for my reserve and training companies, as they are similar to DT's in design.
I hope you have fun wasting cannon shells on the blocks of armor with a gun sticking out that I sell as a tank.

Orders Confirmed.

Guys stop fighting. I dont even see what is wrong with the M1A2, but still, Russian tanks beat them hands down, especially with upgrades.

The M1A2's, M1A1's as well as older M1's and even a few USMC M60's encountered T80 BV's and small numbers of the UM's during combat with the Republican Guard, the T80's put up no match and if you look you can find combat reports and talk to soldiers who fought there, it is a commonly known fact among people who study warfare and weaponry that Russian equipment is somewhat less technological, this is even stated in Soviet Military Doctrine. The fact is western MBT's have always been better than russian MBT's, ever since the M26 Pershing Russian amrour has been found wanting, they basically invented ERA because their armour was not good enough. If you study tanks at all you will know the Russians have recently shown 3 de-classified pictures from a military only expo that showed their new tank, the Chiorny Oriol, or Black Eagle, the top half is obscured and reports from Jane's suggest that the new armour is a contemporary russian ceramic armour, not unlike 1st Gen Chobham armour. I think i've made my point so can you stop spouting lies that you make up by looking at pictures and dreaming up whimsical explanations.

I would like 25 M-27 main battletanks please, I will use them for training and auxilary tanks or I will start a new tank regiment with these. Still I prefer the American Abrams tank but russian tanks are good as well. Money will be sent now.

*money wired apon confirmation*

OOC:
Actually, it cant take out the frontal armor of the T-96 except at closer range.

IC:
The BDIA has rated this design to be 'more or less equal" to the rather old T-80UM4, which has been replaced long ago in the Bisonic Army.

Well considering I am younger than you were when you made it....

DT's tanks own yours. Simply put. And also, the M1A2 Abrams is not a very good tank. You think it is because of all the media attention, and the US Military is not going to say "Well our crews call the Abrams the coffin on treads". Did I mention the Abrams gets so hot, it can't have infantry support. Anyways back on track - While its not as good as DT's tanks (pheonix's doesn't even come close ;)) your getting there, keep up the good work. We'll take 42.

not to mention each M1A2 needs about 30 tankers just to keep it moving.

I'd like to buy 100 of these.
and your Tank destroyer looks promising, so i'd like prod. rights.

UE, perfectly phrased. The beuty of Hydrogen Engines.

Arriba, order confirmed. I am not selling any more prod rights, now you have proved to me you actually buy stuff :shock:

OOC:those were for testing. no more buying.
IC: i wanted prod. rights for the tank destroyer.

The Avril-Lycoming Gas Turbine engine for the Abrams is one of the best Tank Engines in the world today, far superior to any of that diesel Russian taken-from-old-Lada-cars crap. Not that they are taken for Lada cars but they are old massively unreliable diesel monstrostities that regularly break down, as well as this they have been known to be highly dangerous in combat and are the curse of many russian tankers. The Abrams engine is one of the very best as it provides a massive power base that is quieter than diesel engines and is very reliable.

My gos man, can you READ!!!

I HAVE PUT A HYDROGEN TURBINE ENGINE IN IT. THIS ENGINE IS BIGGER AND MORE RELIABLE THAN THE M1A2.

Excuse me, i was replying to what someone else wrote, get some glasses and a clue, and besides you can't have a hydrogen engine i.e. NO SUCH THING AS IT IS SPACE AGE TRASH AND FAR TOO EXPENSIVE TO EVEN BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT PRODUCING THEM ON MASS SCALE, NEVER MIND INTRODUCING THEM INTO TANKS!

Its been done, and we are talking NS here.

Besides, we powered a lightbulb with a test tube full of Hydrogen uncompressed for like 5 seconds in S2 SCIENCE.

Imagien what you can do with military scale :shock:

Oh and by the way, you know what gas the M1 uses :?:

HYDROGEN.

Look kid, just go get a tanks recognition guide and read it thoroughly, then buy a few more and do the same, then go on the internet and look up all the sites you can about the M1/A1/A2/A3/SEP etc etc, then you will find that it always says GAS TURBINE engine, Avril Lycoming, procuces around 45 Mph on a desert track or a little more on a good road.

The United Empire of Colerica will purchase 50 of your tanks for $175,000,000. Money will be wired upon confirmation automatically.

Colerica....

Look kid, just go get a tanks recognition guide and read it thoroughly, then buy a few more and do the same, then go on the internet and look up all the sites you can about the M1/A1/A2/A3/SEP etc etc, then you will find that it always says GAS TURBINE engine, Avril Lycoming, procuces around 45 Mph on a desert track or a little more on a good road.

Krostovia wishes to purchase 200 M-26 Battle Tanks.

That will be $700,000,000, money wired upon order confirmation.

Hirgizstan, you mentioned how T80's were crap because in Iraq, they were blown away like nothing.

Think about what you're saying. How well do you think these Iraqi tanks were mantained? How well do you think these crew's were trained? Do you think that the Iraqi T80's had their full compliment of weaponry and armor?

If, during any of these questions, you manage to answer with a "Very well" or a "Yes" You, my friend, are delutional.

If you were to take a T-72 with a Vet Crew and stick it against a M1 with a complete Noob crew that barely even knows what "loading" means, let alone how to do it, guess what is gonna happen? The T-72, through repeated strikes, is gonna kill the M1.

Does this mean that the M1 is crap? Well. I'm sure that's debatable. However, the loss would not be due to the tank, but the people that control it.

OOC:

1. The Abrams remains the highest quality tank in the RL world, primarily because US equipment is of remarkedly better quality all around. Do you really trust the armor that was made by some disgruntled worker who gets paid no matter how bad it turns out? Also Soviet electronics have always been far behind US quality, which makes all the difference in today's world.

2. The Abrams runs off of aviation kerosene.

3. Ran a lightbulb for 5 seconds. Wow. So...that means with a bigger tank of gas, you expect to be able to run the engine (which is rather fast), the gun, tons of electronics including a laser powerful enough to melt armored missile heads in less than a second of closing time, etc, for hours. So you must have one freaking huge and expensive engine.

4. Your armor is the largest freaking Godmod I have seen in months. You claim to have enough armor to block 130mm rounds in the front, 105mm in the sides and rear. Do you have any idea how much armor that is? It doesn't matter that you aren't using steel plate; no one does. There is no way, in however much weight you allocate from your insanely low weight, to claim that much protection. And a laser which can destroy incoming warheads? Give me a break. How exactly did you invent a laser which can melt through the warhead surface in a second or less? And what if I just mirror my warhead surface?

5. The cost is just wrong. For about half of what an Abrams costs, you claim to have a substantially more powerful gun, more speed, twice as much armor, and electronics which are a quantum leap ahead. The cost should be more like $10,000,000 appiece, if not more. Especially because, accepting your weight and statistics, the magical uberarmor you use would be so freakin expensive that it alone would probably cost a few million. And the gun itself, according to CSJ's essay on the topic, would probably add a million or more to the cost by itself.

6. Because of all of these things, the USSS declares this tank a GODMOD until something changes, and will not recognize those tanks if they are used against it.

PS: It only carries 18 rounds total? WTF?!

At least DT's tanks are only a minor exaggeration of what is possible...

OOC:

1. The Abrams remains the highest quality tank in the RL world, primarily because US equipment is of remarkedly better quality all around. Do you really trust the armor that was made by some disgruntled worker who gets paid no matter how bad it turns out? Also Soviet electronics have always been far behind US quality, which makes all the difference in today's world.

I dunno man. I'd put the Leopard 2 up against the Abrams any day.

OOC:

1. The Abrams remains the highest quality tank in the RL world, primarily because US equipment is of remarkedly better quality all around. Do you really trust the armor that was made by some disgruntled worker who gets paid no matter how bad it turns out? Also Soviet electronics have always been far behind US quality, which makes all the difference in today's world.

I dunno man. I'd put the Leopard 2 up against the Abrams any day.

OOC: You may very well be right. But that was not really the point of my post...

Actually the Leopard 2 was put up against the Abrams anc Challenger 2 and it was found lacking in certain departments, only slightly, the lack of sloping armour was the main problem but these problems have now been rectified on the Leopard 2A4/5 which is a kick ass looker i can tell ya.
I would like to thank Skepticism for making my point more solid, much appreciated.
Now i would like to consider the point someone made about the crews of the Iraqi T80's.
The Iraqi T80's were called the 'Tiger' (obviously written differently in arabic) and they were exclusively given to the Republican Guard. Now these units were NOT conscripts, they were well trained by western standards and if you study pictures of their equipment during the 80's and during 90/91 you will notice that it is kept better than that or their Russian counterparts. The Republican guard cannot be compared to any western force as they operated in a lot of different roles, counter-intelligence, bodyguards, special operations, espionage, and of course conventional warfare of which their armoured units got a reputation for being cuning, well led and ruthless during the Iran-Iraq war of the 80's.
All in all the T80's of the Republican Guard were all destroyed in the first Gulf War, their numbers were all accounted for. They put up no fight and they were the more advanced ones, they had the BV's and UM's and some of these had been further modified in Iraq with their own armour plating and weaponry systems.

Actually the Leopard 2 was put up against the Abrams anc Challenger 2 and it was found lacking in certain departments, only slightly, the lack of sloping armour was the main problem but these problems have now been rectified on the Leopard 2A4/5 which is a kick ass looker i can tell ya.
I would like to thank Skepticism for making my point more solid, much appreciated.
Now i would like to consider the point someone made about the crews of the Iraqi T80's.
The Iraqi T80's were called the 'Tiger' (obviously written differently in arabic) and they were exclusively given to the Republican Guard. Now these units were NOT conscripts, they were well trained by western standards and if you study pictures of their equipment during the 80's and during 90/91 you will notice that it is kept better than that or their Russian counterparts. The Republican guard cannot be compared to any western force as they operated in a lot of different roles, counter-intelligence, bodyguards, special operations, espionage, and of course conventional warfare of which their armoured units got a reputation for being cuning, well led and ruthless during the Iran-Iraq war of the 80's.
All in all the T80's of the Republican Guard were all destroyed in the first Gulf War, their numbers were all accounted for. They put up no fight and they were the more advanced ones, they had the BV's and UM's and some of these had been further modified in Iraq with their own armour plating and weaponry systems.

Yep, the Leo 2A6EX and the Leo 2(s) Rock, ^_^

I wouldn't say that the Rep Guard was well trained by Western Standards. Better than some, perhaps, but not well trained.

Ok, you've got me on the conscrips point, you're right.

However, Iraqi army doct' is much different than Western Doct' . In their armed forces, a Captain might be given as much authority to do as needed as a Sargeant would in a Western country. Their system focusing more on increasing the prestiage of their leading elemants, more than individual can-do.

Guys, shut up. Stop hijacking.

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Kazakhstania, I had a contract with Hutu for a main-line battle tank. Now that Hutu appears dead (or so I've heard, unfortunately), I don't have a tank contract, and thus a shortage of main battle tanks. Can you build a factory (ecological of course) in an isolated part of my nation to produce X amount of tanks (something like 150 maybe) per year? This is a main-line battle tank, right? ...

Yup, Main Battle Tank.

It may not be the best tank out there, but it has some very innovative technology, kicks most RL tanks asses, and is run by Hydrogen.

Sure, we could.

Credonia would like to purchase 500 of these tanks

*Total of $1.75 Billion wired on confirmation*

Order Confirmed

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M-26UM upgrade.

i would like 2 buy 2 of your tanks.Opon arrivel u shell resive ur money> :twisted:

i would like 2 buy 2 of your tanks.Opon arrivel u shell resive ur money> :twisted:

i would like 2 buy 2 of your tanks.Opon arrivel u shell resive ur money> :twisted:

With all two upgrades ($381 million apiece), I'd like to take 4500 of your tanks. Thank you.

the government of umnali would like to purchase

2000 M-26UM Main Battle Tank with
Kontakt-6 2nd Generation ERA: $150,000
Igla-SKZ SAM Missiles: $60,000

Total Price - 7.62 Billion

Money Wired

Orders Confirmed.

Its nice to see my upgrades are being accepted by the best of nations :)

Orders Confirmed, Chinese Army, are you possesed with my products.

TAG

Please could we purchase:

4,000 tanks

$15.24bil

Thanks,
FIN

New Valkyria would like to order 120 M-26UM Main Battle Tanks. This will complement our 50 V-8 Scoundrel Light Tanks.

The cost for 120 tanks are $432,000,000.

I'll take 5,000 standards please.

*18 billion wired*

OOC: I told you I'd find them IN...

Double post.

Orders Confirmed.

Thanks guys.

please may we purchase,

5000 M-26UM Main Battle Tanks with all upgrades


19.05bil
*wired*

thanks
Gesellschaft

Great Britopia would like to express its great admiration for this brilliant military design. we would like to purchase 1000 M-26UM battle tanks with both the upgrades:

Kontakt-6 2nd Generation ERA: $150,000

Igla-SKZ SAM Missiles: $60,000

total cost= $3,810,000,000

*money wired upon confirmation*

Orders Confirmed.

Everythingwill be of top quality.

Our Nation is so impressed with these, we have decided to buy another 6000.

This will cost $22.86 billion

*wired*

Thanks

Please could we purchase,

4000 M-26UM MBTs
with all upgrades

$15.24 bil
*wired*

Thanks,
Gesellschaft

That order, Gesellschaft, is confirmed.

Intelligent Neighbors, denied.

we want to buy 100 tanks

Obviously this kicks the crap out of an M1A2 because it's a fake tank. But in real life the M1A2SEP is probably one of the best MBT out there.

That order, Gesellschaft, is confirmed.

Intelligent Neighbors, denied.

Please tell me why?

The Andrehervian military would like to buy 10,000 M-26UM Main Battle Tanks.

The total cost should come to AH£36,000,000,000.

Money will be wired upon confirmation of delivery.

Andrehervia, order denied.

Too large an order for you.

Same with you IN.

Uh, we have enough money, about 111 bill I think. But OK, how many can I order at a time?

I'll take about 5,000 of those.

the govt of umnali would like to purchase

2000 M-26UM Main Battle Tanks + Kontakt-6 2nd Generation ERA
Igla-SKZ SAM Missiles for each tank

money wired

Apologies, Kazakhstania. We'll decrease our order to 500, although this can be decreased if necessary.

The total cost should come to AH£1,800,000,000.

If this is still too much, please tell us and we'll change our order.

Its ok.

Orders Confirmed.

Nice of you to enjoy the upgrades.

We as a nation have waited for a period of time so that our defence budget goes up so we can purchase the required amount of tanks. We would therefore ask again that we could purchase 6000 of the tanks. The total cost is $22.86 billion .

*wired*

Thanks,
IN

Please could we purchase,

11000 M26-UM's
Total $41.91billion
*wired*

Thanks,
Gesellschaft

Moozimo would like to buy 900 of your fantastic tanks at a cost of $3,240,000,000

*money wired*

thank you

What kind of price break are we looking at if I buy in bulk?

The United Socialist States of Radivostok wishes to buy 100 of these excellent machines with standard diesel engines rather than the upgraded powerplants.

A total of $345,000,000 USD will be wired on confirmation.

Sincerely,

Radivostok Trade Minster

10% off all large orders.

Orders Confirmed, the Diesels will be delivered with the tanks.

How much for production rights on the laser anti-missle system?
The only way to describe it is... er... transcendant!
If at all possible money will be automatically wired upon comformation (excuse grammer if i spelt something wrong).

Not for sale, sorry :(

This "thing" is still around? Damn...

Well as dark terror I bought 4,000 of em secondhand from some guy getting rid of surplus, time for 'survivability testing' :roll:

Do I care?

These are only exports. And besides, you are merely a shadow of your former self. My latest technology will never be sat in by someone less than a Kazakhstanian military officer.

OOC: OK, bored, ill just buy these tanks and sell them to nations that need them for cheap...im big enough now for it.
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OOC2: and that was some crap RP for you all to witness! Anyway, why not change the gun to a 140mm ET, upgrade the engine, and the armour, sure, itll add a bit more weight and might slow it down a bit, but itl put it back in league with the better tanks about on NS(i would use an example but i dont want to because some people would call that advertising and get the MODs to delete me...and then i would :cry: )

Better tank? Nah, its light, mobile, the gun is as high velocity as an 140mm ETC, the armour is light and as strong as something twice as thick and it is nice and mobile. Better tank?

Order confirmed.

I really dont think the top can be very well protected; that area has the most surface area, and more armor there is very heavy. And you really should put in the rating of it versus HEAT and KE rounds, rather than say it can defelct/survive a 140 mm round.

The Holy Empire of Whitsonia would like to purchase 75 of your tanks. Money will be wired upon order confirmation. Thank you for your business, we look foward to future business with you.

The Incorporated States of Sarzonia would like to purchase 725 of your tanks. At $3.6 million each, the total for this purchase should come to $2.61 billion.

Money shall be wired upon confirmation of this order.

Thank you for your consideration.

Mike Sarzo
President
Incorporated States of Sarzonia

FW, thanks for bumping my thread subconciously ;)

Orders Confirmed. Oh, and I mean by 140mm KE shells, conventional not ETC. Thats frontal armour, too. And the top armor is made up of two layered "explosion" cells, which are designed to withstand the force of a helicopter launched ATGM. It can easily hold against most airborne 30mm cannons, short of the GAU-8 which can pulverise anything.