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As the nations of Iesus Christi and SeOCC have expressed interest in engaging in diplomatic talks, Free Burkina Faso will be providing the venue for the conference in the capital city of Ouagadougou. Transportation around the city and accomodations will be provided for conference delegates free of charge.

Preparations have been made for the delegations' arrival, with a large conference room in the old colonial parliamentary building to be used for the negotiations. Before the conference a dinner will be held featuring a variety of African dishes (or courses of the delegate's request) and performances of traditional Mossi and Fulani ceremonial dances. President Thomas Sankara will be hosting the conference, and is expected to attend in person.

Members of the international press are invited, but delegates may request that certain portions of the conference or its entirety take place behind closed doors. Delegations from other countries are NOT invited unless specifically asked by Iesus Christi or SeOCC representatives.

(OOC: Now to wait for the two to post.)

Speaking on behalf of the SeOCC delegation, I first thank our gracious hosts for making this meeting possible. The hard work that went into preparing the setting for these talks is not overlooked.

Second, I will address, for the record, why SeOCC has agreed to hold a second round of talks with Iesus Christi. Under the administration of the late Minister Soren, diplomatic meetings like this one served as a prelude and, we believe, a catalyst for the first free elections in Iesus Christi in nearly fifty years. These meetings also helped establish an important common understanding of both nations, which is utterly necessary if we are to move towards peace rather than needless conflict.

We intend to continue this progress, and to create not just understanding, but lasting ties and commitments between our nations towards international tolerance and diplomatic solutions. For those who will scoff, and claim this is impossible, we point again to the elections, which all international observers confirmed were in fact free and fair. We will propose an agenda to the Iesus Christi delegation upon their arrival, and will not comment on specifics at this time.

Our hope is to allow nations to preserve cultural sovereignty while also preserving the international rule of law and the sanctity of human life. We believe that the Iesus Christi government, in their own way, supports these principles, and we will endeavor, through dialogue, to build a mutual understanding of how to manifest these principles within both our governments.

Dania Raleigh-Fod
Under Minister of Foreign Affairs
SeOCC

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OOC:friendly tag of thread so I can post sunday, damn weekends taking up net time! :D
Mea culpa for th delay

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MoI Release: MFA Delegation Goes AWOL, Found at Pool by FBF Authorities.

A four person MFA delegation went missing early Friday and were not found for nearly 48 hours, sparking concerns of assasination or kidnapping. As it turned out, they were merely relaxing at one of Free Burkina Faso's many beatiful hotel pools, sipping wine and working on much neglected tans.

'Well those bloody Iesus people didn't show so fuckin' a,' remarked head negotiator Dania Raleigh-Ford, conspiculously topless despite signs put up specifically against 43 year old, slightly overweight women going topless. 'It's not like we had anything else to do.'

The MFA did not comment on the disappearance, but did note it intends to sanction UM Raleigh-Ford for subjecting everyone to a fate best left undiscussed.

OOC:
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Oh My God! Where are my jackboots! you arse! You didnt change the clocks! We're late! oh my GOD! WHERE ARE MY JACKBOOTS!
Iesus staff sleeping in after long trip to meeting...

IC:
Heil!
Iesus Christi and the Reich is happy to embrace these talks with Seocc . and by connection, CACE.
As usual we agree with the truth spoken by the noble Comrade Dania Raleigh-Fod , sovereignty and law are critical to our respective alliances, and from these talks we know a combined understanding may well rise.
What Wonders can we achieve!
Still, Iesus Christi and the Reich will always, now and forever speak teh truth of Christ, do not confuse our willing attitude to talk as approval of Godless activity. Never assume too much, for all law and justice are at the feet of God. All is for God, all is his! anyhow..moving on...

Key to these talks for us are...
Mutual defence against Elven aggression
Trade pacts
Technology exchange/purchase
The expansion of the blood and honour laws to Seocc and CACE
The creation of christian based law in Seocc and CACE
Syskeyia-action to be taken against this rogue state should it be needed..
Anti slavery Activity

And the Metahuman question...On this subject, we will be heard and I do not wish to think, or speak, with moderation. No! no! Tell a man whose house is on fire, to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hand of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen , but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like that we face with the metahuman . I am in earnest I will not retreat a single inch AND I WILL BE HEARD. The Metahuman is the issue is at the heart of what plagues us all! From Syskeyia to war....the cancer...the cause...is the Elven and Metahuman scum!

Praise Be the Lord
Death to the Metahuman!
Heil Seocc!

General Ivan Doherty
Minister of Social Order


OOC:like to any talks, we send a wide range of peoples...airforce ,navy , army..hehe but this is our 'team' leader :)

As usual for this time of year, the sun beat down unmercifully on the streets of Ouagadougou, baking the city in a dry, 102 degree heat. President Thomas Sankara and the rest of his retinue had shelter of sorts from the weather, lounging about inside the air-conditioned waiting lounge of the Burkina Faso National Airport. Normally only a small group of diplomats would be present to meet and escort the Iesus Christi delegates to the parliament building, but today demanded unique circumstances.

The streets near parliament had been flooded with protestors, both Muslim and Christian, demanding an end to the Iesus-SeOCC summit and the arrest of Iesus diplomats. At least a thousand people were marching through the approved demonstration areas, some from his own Comittee for the Defense of the Revolution, a grouping of militias and a political party usually loyal to his administration.

But as of now, Burkina Faso was still a country which respected the rights of free speech. There was nothing that Sankara could do but keep the protestors in one place, and wait for the Iesus personnel to arrive.

Just a friendly reminded that when Iesus deployed 2 fleets to aid in a Reich nation's invasion of CACE territory, Syskeyia sent ten carrier battlegroups to help thwart the Reich invasion.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Well, let's start with the metahumans. We don't know what they are. Perhaps if you can explain what this issue is, exactly, I can articulate SeOCC's position on it.

I shall now address what issues I can.

Regarding mutual defense, we are interested, but as we've said, we can't agree to such a pact until Iesus Christi is a nation we can defend in good conscience. The same, I assume, is said by your government regarding SeOCC. For this reason I'd like to table the topic until the end, when we have established a firm understanding of our expectations and goals.

Regarding trade, SeOCC is a signatory of the IFTA, and we will only trade with IFTA signatories. If you care to comment on the treaty we can move forward on this issue.

Regarding technology exchange, what exactly did you have in mind?

Regarding blood and honor laws, I'm not exactly sure what those are. Perhaps you can inform me on this issue.

Regarding Christian based law, we feel this topic should be off the table, and both sides will be neutral on the subject. As you know, Constantinopolis is a Christian state and they function quite well within the CACE. The seperation of church and state is not a topic gerund to this meeting.

Regarding anti-slavery activity, you know our position on this. Unfortunately, our favored medium to address this issue, the UN, is closed to us, since those states instituting slavery are either non-members or disregard resolutions without other members taking action. We are interested to hear proposals from Iesus Christi.

And as for Syskeyia, their actions are nothing new. The CACE has made our stance on aggression against memberstates clear.

Dania Raleigh-Fod
Under Minister of Foreign Affairs
SeOCC

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And as for Syskeyia, their actions are nothing new. The CACE has made our stance on aggression against memberstates clear.

Just clarified my further comments. See edit. :D

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

For a reference for blood and honour , and the metahuman definition..see Iesus Christi documents (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96873&highlight=)

we are interested in what your take is on 'good conscience' , how does one become of 'good conscience' in your eyes?

we are deeply offended by your lack of desire to trade with Iesus Christi, the ITFA treaty would seem to be a slap in the face of our national soverienty, it would seem you would force us into alliances and trade pacts and make us a nation of 'good conscience', this is a concern to Iesus Christi and raises doubts about the actual ability of these talks to achieve anything.

we suggest more DIRECT actions by Seocc and her allies againat slavery, you hide behind the UN and people suffer...how can we trust anyone who abandons christ and the family of humanity!
Much good will would be earned if seocc would actually move against the blight that is slavery....CACE talks alot about human equality but seems to do little...

we agree that Syskeyia and SATO is a aggressive body, perhaps atleast a common defence could be ventured against them?
Of course their propoganda corps say we were to aid a attack on CACE...may I say..2 Iesus fleets were deployed for security of The reich only...there was no desire to attack CACE , only defend ourselves from external hate.

Well I can tell you categorically that blood and honor laws in SeOCC are out of the question; SeOCC has good relations with many non-human nations, and the NHU is considering joining the IFTA.

And by good conscience what we specifically mean is that we will only defend nations that are worth defending in our eyes, a policy you no doubt share. We would not, for instance, defend Menelmacar, unless they were under attack by a government worse than theirs, which is categorically impossible.

Regarding slavery, perhaps you would have us go to war for this, yes? Before exhausing options? I have yet to see the Reich take a strong stance against slavery in recent years, and if I'm not mistaken it was our officials that pointed out slavery's resurgence to yours.

The IFTA is designed to allow capitalist economies to function without dehumanizing its people. SeOCC has never, at any point in dialogue with Iesus Christi, disguised our desire to see change in your governments function. We have made ourselves quite clear in what kind of reforms would be necessary to continue dialogue between our nations, and we note that political reforms made after the first talks have been essentially repealed.

Regarding the IFTA clauses specifically, they pertain exclusively to economic issues and we wonder what exactly is controversial in the treaty. The CACE is an autarchy and we have no explicit need to expand our trade networks outside of the natural growth of our membership. It is not an insult that we have no imperative need to trade with Iesus Christi, it is a product of our economic structure. We incur a loss when we open trade with nations in the IFTA, and use our subsidy of capitalist economies as incentive to make substantive changes in the lives of their people. That is all. There is no issue of sovreignty; if you agree, you sign, if not, you don't. We force nothing on anyone.

Having said this, if Iesus Christi is interested in discussing formal political and economic ties, we are prepared to proceed. Should your government feel it cannot move from its rigid position on these issues, then you are correct that these talks can achieve nothing.

Dania Raleigh-Fod
Under Minister of Foreign Affairs
SeOCC

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OOC:not in vain! posting coming! silly xmas! silly sidetracking!
mea culpa!

Seoccs inability to understand the danger of the metahumans is a great concern to us. For us it is a innate truth...the Metahuman is the enemy and msut be treated as such .
We hold DEEP concern over any nation that cannot see the thread they pose to humanity...Do you not Love humanity above all? isnt our common blood fraternity more important than sleeping with the enemy?

Maybe it is this love of non-humans that makes the blood of Iesus citizens not worthy to be defended? we would defend you against mindless non-human aggression...we only ask the same. Our common disgust of nations such as Menelmacar could be a firm basis for common defence...the enemy of my enemy IS my friend after all...

As for the continued pressing issue of slavery...
We would have you wage war...and we take insult at your statement saying otherwise, where-ever we have found slavery we have assualted slavery! the blood of Iesus youth has been shed in foriegn fields for no gain other than the liberty of the slave!
Remember the burning fields of Amerigo! the countless slavers we have sent to Gods justice! never doubt our hatred of slavery!
Slavery is sin and those who uphold it CRIMINALS
We BEG aid in this crusade....death to all slavers! death to those who hold their fellow man in bondage...If I may quote the song of the people of Iesus..."as he died to make men holy...let us die to make them free!"

As for trade...
Iesus Christi is interested in discussing formal political and economic ties, our government feels it cant move from its position only if at the same time you are willing to move also?
We have not come here to lay low our culture before the Godless jackboot of communism but come to see what can be achieved through MUTUAL movement and understanding....

It is your fixation on the so-called 'metahumans' that worries us. In our experience, humans can oppress each other as efficiently and cruely as anyone else. Our disgust with certain nations has nothing to do with their non-human leadership, but with their practices, practices which are shared by human nations as well. Surely you do not contend that capitalism, the system which fuels the war engines of Menelmacar, was created by elves to oppress humanity?

Our enemy is not who is not human but who acts against humanity; we have many non-human allies which stand by our principles and beliefs, and even more human enemies who defile their own humanity through their actions. Our disgust with Menelmacar has little in common, it seems, because your objections do not address certain economic and social issues that are the core of our diplomatic position.

As for war against slavers, war is not the first and never the best option. I am interested to hear, though, what your specific objection to slavery is, and how your crusade for the liberty of others might implicate policies at home. Either way, we are not ready to sacrifice lives until other options have been exhausted. At the very least, should we not attempt a UN resolution against convict labor, which is the core of our slavery charges, before we take up arms?

And once again, SeOCC is not a communist nation, though this is neither here nor there. While we are willing to compromise, it seems that Iesus Christi has become more reactionary since we last spoke, and you cannot expect us to make concessions just to move your country back to the position when we last spoke.

Dania Raleigh-Fod
Under Minister of Foreign Affairs
SeOCC

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