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Kahta will not hesitate to bomb you with EMP weapons. If anyone chooses to strike us in return we will respond with EMP weapons. We are not afraid of anyone. I do not need to worry about some voter. I rule the country.

Regards,
Grand Marshall Willaim Stewart

Hah are you shits seriouse? 1) Good luck bombing an entire region of 25 Nations 2) The entire region of A Corp will annialate you 3) The enire region runs on fusion energy wich is not effected by emp. Get your shit straight before making pathetic threats.

Hah are you shits seriouse? 1) Good luck bombing an entire region of 25 Nations 2) The entire region of A Corp will annialate you 3) The enire region runs on fusion energy wich is not effected by emp. Get your shit straight before making pathetic threats.

1) The majority of A Corp nations are October nations. A few August and September nations would easily be able to crush any 'attack' you made.

2)If you're modern tech, wanna explain how you managed to get a nuclear fusion power plant to have a positive energy output? Most test plants require more power to work than they generate.

3)EMP would still effect you. Anything that uses electricity and not shielded against electromagnetic pulse would still be damaged, regardless of how you generate your power.

Hah are you shits seriouse? 1) Good luck bombing an entire region of 25 Nations 2) The entire region of A Corp will annialate you 3) The enire region runs on fusion energy wich is not effected by emp. Get your shit straight before making pathetic threats.

They are all puppets for 1 person, you are a puppet. Kahta will not tolerate you.

OOC: Kahta is no longer a democracy

Incorrect, the electromagnetic pulse wave a EMP admits only effects the fusion generator. A Corp has 8 massive generators surrounded with giant walls of material that will stop EMP. This kind of attack was tried on us before and failed. By the way, The support for these projects were by much higher technological Nations than both of ours.

I take back my statement about August and September nations. Your largest nation is 751 million, but the majority of the nations have populations under 100 million. A few late September nations could crush you.

Also, you obviously have no understanding of basic science. ANY, and I mean ANY, objects that use electricity that are not shielded against EMP, would be FUBARed. Their circuitry would be completely fried, and they would be useless.

and no i am not a puppet. Mike Austin 27 is my close allie.

[quote="Sarador"]A Corp has 8 massive generators surrounded with giant walls of material that will stop EMP.quote]

They are surounded with shields to stop EMP pulse. And by the way, where do you get such a massive gun to launch a EMP pulse enough to shut down an entire region?

[quote="Sarador"]A Corp has 8 massive generators surrounded with giant walls of material that will stop EMP.quote]

They are surounded with shields to stop EMP pulse. And by the way, where do you get such a massive gun to launch a EMP pulse enough to shut down an entire region?

[quote="Sarador"]A Corp has 8 massive generators surrounded with giant walls of material that will stop EMP.quote]

They are surounded with shields to stop EMP pulse. And by the way, where do you get such a massive gun to launch a EMP pulse enough to shut down an entire region?

[quote="Sarador"]A Corp has 8 massive generators surrounded with giant walls of material that will stop EMP.quote]

They are surounded with shields to stop EMP pulse. And by the way, where do you get such a massive gun to launch a EMP pulse enough to shut down an entire region?

How about a few nations ranging from December 2002 to July? Might they do any damage to A-Corp. :roll:

Also, when he says any electrical devices, this means every TV in your nation will explode, heating systems will shut down, and anything that uses electricity will be destroyed. Its not a matter of your Fusion generators being knocked out as so much as the appliances that use them.

Exactly. And who says it is one bomb, and who says it is being fired by a gun? He could fly a few squadrons of B-2s over you and fry you back into the Stone Age. Your generators might be safe, but have fun replacing every single thing in your region that uses electricity.

Exactly. And who says it is one bomb, and who says it is being fired by a gun? He could fly a few squadrons of B-2s over you and fry you back into the Stone Age. Your generators might be safe, but have fun replacing every single thing in your region that uses electricity.

sounds like the Y2K bug to me. I'll tell everyone in my region to shut their appliances off for a few days. no harm. meanwhile while your trying to shut off our toaster ovens I will be dirrecting a nuke into the heart of your capital.

[quote=Sarador]A Corp has 8 massive generators surrounded with giant walls of material that will stop EMP.quote]

They are surounded with shields to stop EMP pulse. And by the way, where do you get such a massive gun to launch a EMP pulse enough to shut down an entire region?

I have ICBM's with EMP warheads. Kahta does not care if anyone in your country dies.

In other news today, about 1,400 were killed and 5,681 were injured while protesting against the dictator. The injured will not be given help in a hospital.

OOC: I am RPing.

You don't get it, do you? This is not just appliances. This is your nationwide computer networks. This is your military forces. Regardless of whether it is on or off, if it is near the pulse, it is FRIED. And have fun trying to nuke me. *Points at his recently launched satellite defense network, and considers deploying his Airborne Laser intercept squadron.* GM forces could shoot down anything you launch during its ascent phase without ever crossing your borders.

sounds like the Y2K bug to me. I'll tell everyone in my region to shut their appliances off for a few days. no harm. meanwhile while your trying to shut off our toaster ovens I will be dirrecting a nuke into the heart of your capital.

You fire your ICBM or "nuke" I will return fire with my full arsennal. 16,000 ICBM's 10 MIRV's each. Thats about 160,000 Warheads. Its called Carpet Nuking. I have 3 Different Anti-Ballistic Missle defences- Artitsa's (can take approx 2000 missles) Dark Terror's (Estimated to destroy 6500 missles) and GDU regional defence system (3400 missles)

Have fun.

We would join in a strike on the A Corp, but we are still recovering from the suprise attack on Port Nanaka. That is no sign of weekness, however. We have many allies.

double post

sounds like the Y2K bug to me. I'll tell everyone in my region to shut their appliances off for a few days. no harm. meanwhile while your trying to shut off our toaster ovens I will be dirrecting a nuke into the heart of your capital.

You realise that switching off all your appliances has exactly the same effect as having them switched off by an EMP pulse, right?

umm, nanaka, u can count me as a regional ally now as well :P. Sorry but, my support for your rebuild will be removed due to the just finsihed civil war.

Sorry double post.

sounds like the Y2K bug to me. I'll tell everyone in my region to shut their appliances off for a few days. no harm. meanwhile while your trying to shut off our toaster ovens I will be dirrecting a nuke into the heart of your capital.

You realise that switching off all your appliances has exactly the same effect as having them switched off by an EMP pulse, right?

No. An EMP pulse frys the electronic components. EMP would not only turn it off, it would stop it from working until you could replace all the electronic components in it.

Is there any protection from the A Corp?

Is there any protection from the A Corp?

Yes there are some very good defences:
1: Ignore them, there are various acceptable reasons for this but the most useful one is the tech level, do you accept fusion power plants as tech that could exist in your nation's timeline? etc etc. Or you could just blantantly ignore them for being silly annoying idiots and i doubt anyone who really matters would think any worse of you.

2: allies, they like to play the ally card, if you shout enough or get lucky there will be some decent UN (or even non UN nation) whom they have pissed off will simply use it as an excuse to nuke them all.

3: insist that if they try to do anything that they RP it fully and correctly, make sure to take great pains to go down the smallest level of detail and make them fight any battle involved at a company or even platoon level. Even if you can't be bothered with this still make sure that they RP a full logistical and C3 chain.

hope that helps.

IC: Well if A corp should bother you you can always give us a ring, we should be able to effectively aid you.

2: allies... if you shout enough or get lucky there will be some decent UN (or even non UN nation) whom they have pissed off will simply use it as an excuse to nuke them all.

Like me.

EMP Effects
The electrical field produced by the EMP only lasts a very short time before it quickly tails off. The electric field has a rise time of about 1 nanosecond.(12) Even with such a short pulse, the effects can be tremendous. For a high altitude burst, the effects can also be far reaching. By many calculations, one properly placed nuclear bomb detonated above the center of the United States could produce huge electrical fields on the surface of the earth. "The EMP from a single hydrogen bomb exploded 300 kilometers over the heart of the United States could set up electrical field 50 kV/m strong over nearly all of North America"(13). Since EMP is electromagnetic radiation traveling at the speed of light, all of the area could possibly be effected almost simultaneously.
With such a possible threat, it is important to consider what may be affected. "Because of the intense electromagnetic fields (about 10 kV/m) and wide area of coverage, the HEMP can induce large voltages and currents in power lines, communication cables, radio towers, and other long conductors serving a facility"(14). Some other notable collectors of EMP include railroad tracks, large antennas, pipes, cables, wires in buildings, and metal fencing. Although materials underground are partially shielded by the ground, they are still collectors, and these collectors deliver the EMP energy to some larger facility. This produces surges that can destroy the connected device, such as, power generators or long distance telephone systems. An EMP could destroy many services needed to survive a war.

"Society has entered the information age and is more dependent on electronic systems that work with components that are very susceptible to excessive electric currents and voltages."(15) Many systems needed are controlled by a semiconductor in some way. Failure of semi-conductive chips could destroy industrial processes, railway networks, power and phone systems, and access to water supplies. Semiconductor devices fail when they encounter an EMP because of the local heating that occurs. When a semi-conductive device absorbs the EMP energy, it displaces the resulting heat that is produced relatively slowly when compared to the time scale of the EMP. Because the heat is not dissipated quickly, the semiconductor can quickly heat up to temperatures near the melting point of the material. Soon the device will short and fail. This type of failure is call thermal second-breakdown failure.(16)

It is also important to realize how vulnerable the military is to EMP. "Military systems often use the most sophisticated and therefore most vulnerable, electronics available, and many of the systems that must operate during a nuclear war cannot tolerate the temporary disturbances that EMP may induce."(17) Furthermore, many military duties require information to be communicated over long distances. This type of communication requires external antennas, which are extremely susceptible to EMP. Also, some military duties require information-gathering techniques. Many of these techniques use electronic devices connected directly to antennas or radar. Although the devices may be inside shielded buildings, the antennas bring the EMP inside to the electronics. Therefore, the effectiveness of shielding must be examined...


OOC: Found a site that details the effects of an EMP. Hope it helps, :wink:.

i dont know how much a war would help honestly. I was just recently at war with all of A-Corp, and I destroyed most of Toktun Edem, although he refused to post losses. All of them will refuse to post losses, and will make up ridiculous numbers, which defeats the purpose of beating them. It's like stepping on an ant. Too easy. Although, if we get enough large nations, or people within their region to betray them and send them into disarray, it may work...

You realise that switching off all your appliances has exactly the same effect as having them switched off by an EMP pulse, right?

No. An EMP pulse frys the electronic components. EMP would not only turn it off, it would stop it from working until you could replace all the electronic components in it.

I know what the technical differences are, what I meant was that if his appliances are switched off then they aren't doing anything, which is exactly what would happen if they'd been hit by an EMP. Except if they are switched off they could be switched on again relatively easily.

It doesn't matter if it's on or off it FUBARs it up anyway.

Why is anyone concerned about those A Corp blubberers? They quit taking the RP seriously once they get shot at, they have no RP skills to begin with and they have no concept of "A Corp losses".

Toktun Eden was blasted beyond recognition and to save himself he had to have his friends pick on their little brother who had a bigger nation so that he could save his sorry little ***. (This was the RP involved Euroslavia attacking A Corp and A Corp making Blue Window call them off).

sounds like the Y2K bug to me. I'll tell everyone in my region to shut their appliances off for a few days. no harm. meanwhile while your trying to shut off our toaster ovens I will be dirrecting a nuke into the heart of your capital.

http://www.triumf.ca/safety/rpt/rpt_2/compton.gif

credits to Zvarinograd for the pic from another thread. We have EMP anti-ICBM weapons, space based ICBM's, and lasers. This is all modern tech. The electircal devices will be killed even if they are off based on electronics.

Kahta will commence a mass EMP strike on the region (A-Corp) by the means of exploding ten 5 megaton nuclear weapons about 200 miles above the region.

OOC Note: if one 200 kiloton exploded 200 miles above Kansas every electonical deivce from coast to coast from central mexico to central canada would be useless unless protected.

ooc: Go dude go. This i gotta watch. sits in viewing center with goggles ready :P

ooc: Go dude go. This i gotta watch. sits in viewing center with goggles ready :P

:lol:

I have google standing by as well.

oh boy, i cannot wait :P Should be great fun :D

I'll be sure to get protectants to my agents and to have them set up clock-work measurement devices (the only kind that is impervious to EMP blasting) at various points across the land. This will advance my own EMP and counter-EMP research greatly.

remember my crusade against Jono Land? :lol:

EDIT: Spelling mistake

Who could forget it. That was rather epic :P:D

Canadien Bacon would like front-row seats to this display of force. Well, as front row as you can get to an nuclear strike safely :lol: .

I'm all for taking a small coalition and just marching straight through A Corp.

This is a GM Carrier Battle Fleet. (Picture does not represent whole fleet :))

http://drs.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=battle+group/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.thepubliccause.net/LoudSONAR/Battle%20Group.jpg

-3 CVN 77 carriers which carry: : Four E-2C Hawkeye; Four MH-53E Sea Dragon; Seven S-3B Viking; 30 F\A-18E\F SuperHornet; 30 F-14D Tomcat; 10 F-18G Hornet
-2 Arsenal Ships
-6 GM Iowa battleships
-20 Flight I Arleigh Burkes
-20 Flight IIA Arleigh Burkes
-20 Ticonderoga cruisers
-12 SeaWolf class attack subs, each with 2 Mantas.
-12 AOE-6 supply ships

This is an A Corp coastal town normally.

http://drs.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=country/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.artisandevelopers.com/web/tokyo/country.jpg

This is an A Corp coastal town approximately 6.4 seconds after nothing the battleships in a CBF fire.

http://www.liaafrica.org/images/sudan_0200/08scorched.jpg

Anyone else liking this?

Kahta will commence a mass EMP strike on the region (A-Corp) by the means of exploding ten 5 megaton nuclear weapons about 200 miles above the region.

OOC Note: if one 200 kiloton exploded 200 miles above Kansas every electonical deivce from coast to coast from central mexico to central canada would be useless unless protected.


If you attempt to employ nuclear weapons against our nation, or against our fellow A-Corp nations, our response shall be swift and decisive. Our strategic nuclear deterrent will be used to ensure that your populace enjoys just as much suffering as our populace. From this moment, our long range missiles are being prepared to launch within five minutes of the order to launch being given.

OOC: A-Corp are pro-terror right?

From:SOC High Commander
To:Grand Marshall William Stewart
>>>
You are an asshole. While we are against Mike Austin - He shames extremists and terrorists by claiming he is a terrorist organization while he is actually a nation - We're not trying an EMP strike on a pretty large region. We will attack them...Make no mistake about that, but not with EMP's that'll bring all of their suicide bombers down on you.Oh no...A bioagent of ebola/smallpox/mustard gas would work much better.
>>>>>>>
End Transmission

A-Corp, my combined Anti-Missle defence systems can turn away 10000 ICBM's (i use three seperate systems, my own, DT's, and GDU's.)
I can use these to block any missles you launch at Kahta, and we will respond in kind.

A-Corp, my combined Anti-Missle defence systems can turn away 10000 ICBM's (i use three seperate systems, my own, DT's, and GDU's.)
I can use these to block any missles you launch at Kahta, and we will respond in kind.

It's all well and good saying you have some Uber1337 system that can shoot down ICBMs, make toast, and answer the phone, but there has to be some degree of science behind it all. Explanations please, or at the very least a link to a site with an explanation of how your "magical" systems work.
Otherwise it'll be "Godmodery Ahoy" time once again.

umm, i can bear witness to teh fact that he has that and no, it's not uber tech and godmodding because some nations have in excess of 1 million nuke capable icbms

Ok:

Dark Terror's is a network of satellites that fire lasers (Space Wars, ala 1980's) to intercept incoming ICBM's, HOWEVER, this is also mixed in with the skynet system and apparently "Increases the ability of the skynet system 200%". For the rest of the information, you might as well ask Dark Terror, it is his system after all.

My system mixes in several different things, ie: Aircraft with lasers that warm up the ICBM upon launch, thereby making them explode. I also have my own satellites with lasers to intercept them once they exit the atmosphere. If there are more missles coming, its down to my last ditch effort - anti-missle missles. These have about a %10 chance of hitting, but %10 is better than nothing.

The Grossduetchland system I am not to sure of. If you really wanted to know, you'd have to ask Macabees, the owner of the region. If I wanted to I could also ask for his, Zossen's and Ardor's Anti-Ballistic missle defence systems to add to my own.

As you can plainly see this is all feasible, and if you don't believe me, go look it up. My nation is at about 2015, so lasers capable of intercepting ICBM's are quite possible. If you still don't believe me go look it up, Im by far to lazy to look it up myself, because frankly I don't care. If you want info for these, look it up yourself. I ain't no A-Corp prison beyotch.

And Lastly - I hear you A-Corp members are the ones who enjoy the godmodding ya?

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/365830/dancebmage.gif

1. Star Wars was cancelled because it didn't work. Besides which, isn't Skynet some kind of pseudo-OOC thing that basically says "join us and thou shalt never be harmed by teh evuhl n00bs with their n00ks"
2. Fair enough, but you've still got to get them into place without being shot down. Since it's probably too far for a fighter escort you'll have to go dog-fighting in what is essentially a modified airliner.
3. You bought an anti-missile system that you don't even have the faintest idea of how it works? Not even a vague description?
4. Actually no, it isn't plainly feasible. All you've given me is a vague description, with no supporting evidence, followed by a "If you don't understand you must be stupid :roll:". If you're using equipment you should at least know what it is and the gist of how it works, preferably with a source you can wheel out for occaisions such as this.
5. There are a minority of A-Corp members who aren't exactly the best RolePlayers in the world, but that doesn't mean you should tar us all with the same brush.

Exetonia: Nuclear capable ICBMs are not the same thing as missile defence systems. One of them is in common usage. The other isn't, and probably won't for several years.
Guess which is which

hmm, let me see, well. ur right about the icbms and well, don't bring rl BS into NSII. It has no place here except with plane specs. The nations all did research topics and no one elkse complains. Oh, an another thing, the only reasons starwars had the plug pulled are: It was way to expensive and, no other nation gave America permission to build/launch ity inless they could have the plans to make their own etc etc etc.

Yes, the US could not make starwars work, back in the 80's. Im 35 Years after, I think I could make it work very well. Oh, I didn't buy these systems, my allies offer them to me for use.

When I looked at your regional boards, I saw nations giving about %12 of their population to Military service. No Nation would support that many... ever. It would be complete anarchy and your economy would implode.

Skynet is a system designed to take out incoming ICBM's, then launch several thousand from dozens of countries in retaliation.

Its never to far for a fighter escort. I'll just post a carrier fleet about 100nm from your waters, in international waters... starting now. (estimated time to arrival 1.5 weeks)

I even made a thread about my build up of defence for my nation, in which I recieved trillions in donations. (many done through telegram)

My nation is much, much older than yours, and larger than the united states. I have a national budget over 1.5 Trillion. If you can explain to me, how I wouldn't be able to research A-BM Defence, then fair enough. But, remember two things - Im 15 years in the future, and I have a larger budget than the United States.

Kahta will commence a mass EMP strike on the region (A-Corp) by the means of exploding ten 5 megaton nuclear weapons about 200 miles above the region.

OOC Note: if one 200 kiloton exploded 200 miles above Kansas every electonical deivce from coast to coast from central mexico to central canada would be useless unless protected.


If you attempt to employ nuclear weapons against our nation, or against our fellow A-Corp nations, our response shall be swift and decisive. Our strategic nuclear deterrent will be used to ensure that your populace enjoys just as much suffering as our populace. From this moment, our long range missiles are being prepared to launch within five minutes of the order to launch being given.

We are not scared, we have EMP SAM's which are also used to intercept enemy ICBMs or cruise missiles. We also have nuclear SAM's which are extremley effective against any incoming unit.

A-Corp, my combined Anti-Missle defence systems can turn away 10000 ICBM's (i use three seperate systems, my own, DT's, and GDU's.)
I can use these to block any missles you launch at Kahta, and we will respond in kind.

Try intercepting SpLBM (Space Launched Ballistic Missiles) Which are near impossible to detect due to the fact that there are countless n00b space programs (aluminum foil). And of course, it is near impossible to hit an incoming re-entry vehicle which travels at mach 10, at a 90 degree angle, but since you are not modern tech, all IC posts from now on will be ignored unless you will revert to modern tech.

Kahta... within 15 years is modern tech, and If you don't want my help fine with me. Have fun, I just might supply A-Corp. You have offended my nation.

From:SOC High Commander
To:Grand Marshall William Stewart
>>>
You are an asshole. While we are against Mike Austin - He shames extremists and terrorists by claiming he is a terrorist organization while he is actually a nation - We're not trying an EMP strike on a pretty large region. We will attack them...Make no mistake about that, but not with EMP's that'll bring all of their suicide bombers down on you.Oh no...A bioagent of ebola/smallpox/mustard gas would work much better.
>>>>>>>
End Transmission

If you launch a bio-terror attack, I don't care its not like the people elect me. But if you do that, I'll look forward to seeing your citizens faces as a strange white flash appears about 3000 feet above them, and then a feeling of 3000 degrees goes over them. Then I will breathe their molecules in, becuase they have been vaporized and are now everywhere, literally.


To all who oppose me: I will launch EMP missiles at any opposing force. Your men will die when all electronic units cease to work properly and they are stranded on their ships. This will be even funnier when the subs sink to crush death and the men have no way to escape. After the ships have been destroyed I will order my Air Force to sink every ship.

dbl pst

Kahta... within 15 years is modern tech, and If you don't want my help fine with me. Have fun, I just might supply A-Corp. You have offended my nation.

(IC)
I really dont give a flying fuck whether I have offended you. We don't give a shit what other nations think.

Grand Marshall Stewart

Kahta... within 15 years is modern tech, and If you don't want my help fine with me. Have fun, I just might supply A-Corp. You have offended my nation.

(IC)
I really dont give a flying f--- whether I have offended you. We don't give a shit what other nations think.

Grand Marshall Stewart

Obviously Diplomacy is not this guy's strong suit.

ooc: Wow, I have no doubt some older nation will come along and own you. And do you really think nations our size have not added EMP protection?

OOC: You are only a little more than a month older than me.

ooc: Thats old enough.

not a good way to make friends. EMP missles won't solve everything, stupid!

Canadien Bacon asks that Artitsa and Kahta put aside their differences for the time being and focus on the conflict at hand. We have put our entire military force on high alert, and preparing for a military campaign against A-Corp, and we are honored to fight alongside both Artitsa and Kahta.

If you attempt to employ nuclear weapons against our nation, or against our fellow A-Corp nations, our response shall be swift and decisive. Our strategic nuclear deterrent will be used to ensure that your populace enjoys just as much suffering as our populace. From this moment, our long range missiles are being prepared to launch within five minutes of the order to launch being given.

We are not scared, we have EMP SAM's which are also used to intercept enemy ICBMs or cruise missiles. We also have nuclear SAM's which are extremley effective against any incoming unit.

OK, so you lob an EMP SAM into space to hit the ICBM before it starts reentering. You'll no doubt knock out various passing satalites, which makes other countries upset at you, and the ICBM will probably continue on its ballistic path and still hit, although not in the right place. Alternatively you can lob an EMP SAM at the ICBM after it's reentered, which will do nothing since the only thing powering it at that point is gravity. Plus you'll fry your own country.
The same goes for a nuclear SAM.
Now unless y'all have a link demonstrating the feasibility of any of these missile defence systems, I shall assume that they have no basis in real life, and ignore them.

Kahta, I will support you in your attack. If your own ABM system is "ignored" then i will provide a full ABL squadron to protect your country.

I will also then further provide armed forces and funds to aid the attacks. Should the war turn into a nuclear war, and you are NOT the first country to launch, i will retaliate with a full nuclear strike against the aggressor.

All leave has been cancelled for armed forces, and the army is facing rigourous training routines to recover from teh civil war, and the problems faced therein.

Salavador is the first nation I've seen on nationstates ignore Anti-Ballistic missle defence. Perhaps the stories are true... they look for any excuse not to go into a conflict where they will lose for sure. Everyone but you knows ABM Defence works. One moment, and I will get you a site from Global Security about ABM Defence.

Salavador is the first nation I've seen on nationstates ignore Anti-Ballistic missle defence. Perhaps the stories are true... they look for any excuse not to go into a conflict where they will lose for sure. Everyone but you knows ABM Defence works. One moment, and I will get you a site from Global Security about ABM Defence.

When an individual bandies phrases around without the faintest idea what they mean, it generally means that person is an idiot. Now, by all means, provide me with a link explaining the system (and showing that it actually works in practise) rather than coming out with random abbreviations such as "EMP SAM", which makes no sense what so ever. Or else I shall be forced to deploy my "MRA SSN". See, I can make up words too, it doesn't make it real though.
The truth of the matter is that missile defence doesn't work very well. Take the Second Persian Gulf War, for instance. Iraq launched something like six scuds, one at a time, and one of them still got through. Now imagine several hundred missiles fired at the same time. How many would be intercepted then? Admittedly the system used would be different to the Patriot, but the point still stands. Shooting down a few warheads is one thing. Shooting down several thousand is completely ridiculous, and it is to that which I am ignoring, not the principle of BMD.
Now I am more than happy to fight, but not against a group of individuals who threaten to lob nuclear weapons around like they're fireworks on Bonfire Night, and then hide behind godmodery and made up acronyms when anyone tries to retaliate.

Kahta... within 15 years is modern tech, and If you don't want my help fine with me. Have fun, I just might supply A-Corp. You have offended my nation.

(IC)
I really dont give a flying f--- whether I have offended you. We don't give a shit what other nations think.

Grand Marshall Stewart

Obviously Diplomacy is not this guy's strong suit.

OOC: He's a right wing hardliner that somehow was able to get control of the government. His first act was to make a "pleasure squad" of women, much like Kim Jong-Ill in RL.

Terristan and its allies from Roguestan stand behind MIKE AUSTIN 100%

Salavador is the first nation I've seen on nationstates ignore Anti-Ballistic missle defence. Perhaps the stories are true... they look for any excuse not to go into a conflict where they will lose for sure. Everyone but you knows ABM Defence works. One moment, and I will get you a site from Global Security about ABM Defence.

When an individual bandies phrases around without the faintest idea what they mean, it generally means that person is an idiot. Now, by all means, provide me with a link explaining the system (and showing that it actually works in practise) rather than coming out with random abbreviations such as "EMP SAM", which makes no sense what so ever. Or else I shall be forced to deploy my "MRA SSN". See, I can make up words too, it doesn't make it real though.
The truth of the matter is that missile defence doesn't work very well. Take the Second Persian Gulf War, for instance. Iraq launched something like six scuds, one at a time, and one of them still got through. Now imagine several hundred missiles fired at the same time. How many would be intercepted then? Admittedly the system used would be different to the Patriot, but the point still stands. Shooting down a few warheads is one thing. Shooting down several thousand is completely ridiculous, and it is to that which I am ignoring, not the principle of BMD.
Now I am more than happy to fight, but not against a group of individuals who threaten to lob nuclear weapons around like they're fireworks on Bonfire Night, and then hide behind godmodery and made up acronyms when anyone tries to retaliate.


OOC: Artitsa shouldn't have to explain it at all, since you know, it exists in real life. Your ignoring it only because, well, you're pathetic, and you know you'll lose. I will fully back Artitsa in this one.

Terristan and its allies from Roguestan stand behind MIKE AUSTIN 100%

Nanakaland supports Euroslavia 99.99999999999999999999831% and is against Terristan 50.1%. More realistic numbers.

Terristan and its allies from Roguestan stand behind MIKE AUSTIN 100%

Nanakaland supports Euroslavia 99.99999999999999999999831% and is against Terristan 50.1%. More realistic numbers.

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Terristan. I'm reporting that comment to a mod. Bl;atten flaming when there was no need to.

Nanakaland - lol
Euroslavia - Right on, Im not crazy :D
Kahta - Alright, makes sense now.
Salvardor - The americans used Patriot missles... which are really, really bad missles. The american media hypes up all US weapons to be so great and god like. I use Russian designed missles, which are rated better, by simply looking at their stats. BUT, SAM systems such as the patriot and Russian systems are useless against ICBM's due to such extreme angles and speed. That is why laser defence systems are being developed by the USA, as they have a higher chance of scoring kills.
And for reference:
SAM = Surface to Air missle
EMP SAM (even though I never said this) = Electro Magnetic Pulse - Surface to Air Missle.
Your MRA SSN doesn't make to much sense, as SSN means hunter/killer sub.

Here how about this: When you launchzor your 1000's of n00ks at us because you are |337, I will launch one EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse) missle at the point of your launch. It will then fly and detonate within radius of your missles, knocking out their guidence and arming mechinisms, rendering your missles USELESS. There does that make it better without using lasers?

The truth of the matter is that missile defence doesn't work very well. Take the Second Persian Gulf War, for instance. Iraq launched something like six scuds, one at a time, and one of them still got through....

The one that got through was off target, anyways. It ended up hitting the Persian Gulf.

Shooting down several thousand is completely ridiculous...

Launching several thousand is completely ridiculous.

...Now I am more than happy to fight, but not against a group of individuals who threaten to lob nuclear weapons around like they're fireworks on Bonfire Night, and then hide behind godmodery...

Look who's talking. The A Corp is the biggest bunch of godmoders.

...and made up acronyms when anyone tries to retaliate.

What if the acronyms weren't made up?

not a good way to make friends. EMP missles won't solve everything, stupid!

SHUT THE FUCK UP WE WONT LISTEN TO ANYONE

OOC: This is RPing dubya style :lol:

not a good way to make friends. EMP missles won't solve everything, stupid!

SHUT THE FUCK UP WE WONT LISTEN TO ANYONE

OOC: This is RPing dubya style :lol:

not a good way to make friends. EMP missles won't solve everything, stupid!

SHUT THE FUCK UP KAHTA DOES NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK

OOC: RPing dubya style :lol: That is called dictator RPing folks.

Terristan, knock it off.

ooc:Ty Sirocco. LOL @ Khata

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/library/news/2003/space-031211-dod01.htm

The phrase EMP SAM, while made up of two acronyms that are real, is made up. It is simply two acronyms globbed together to form something that doesn't have any real use in missile defence, especially over ones own country.
I've reread the reports, it turned out 3 missiles got through, one hit the desert near the troops, one hit the gulf, and one hit some Kuwaiti shopping centre. Inaccuracy of the missiles is more to do with missile itself than any defensive measures, which may or may not have worked.
Firing off several thousand laser bursts is similarly improbable.
Once again you evade the issue by random cries of godmodery, when it is you who has some magical shield, which you still haven't proven works (that link referred to a US system, not these seemingly superiour Russian systems, and reffered to a missile based system, not these magic lasers which can single handedly shoot down 10,000 warheads). As for launching several thousand being ridiculous, a single Trident missile carries 8 warheads. An Ohio carries 24 Tridents. The US has 18 Ohios. 8*24*18= 3,456 warheads with submarines alone. Add in other missiles and it is quite feasible.
And even if you did launch an EMP missile at the place the missiles launched from, the missiles would be already reentering by the time your EMP missile arrived. Besides which I already stated that any nuclear strike would only take place in response to a nuclear strike. Not once have I said I would launch a first strike. It is you UN terrorists that have threatened to launch a first strike.
Now I will fight this war, on one condition: No Nukes\EMP. That way we can avoid all this discussion as to whether magic laser beams are possible or not. This is hardly an unreasonable request, but I suspect you people will not agree to these conditions, given that your initial plan consisted of a rather rash "lets n00k people for laughs and giggles" followed by "we have teh magic laser shield" (which incidently, even now noone has explained even the basics of, such as where the power comes from, or even stats such as accuracy).

:roll: This is very annoying. No offence to you, but it is obvious you know how they work, and that they can work. You simpily do not want to recognize them due to their awesomeness.

There are about two dozen satellites of Artitsan make above our space. Using large solar arrays they run on low energy to remain active. Once activated they use their stores of solar energy to force a beam of heat/light (a laser). The target is easily aquired from tracking by orbit. It is rather easy to detect a launch from space using satellites. The laser can fire in repetition several times. About 16 times within a minute. It takes 3 minutes for a ICBM to impact from Russia to America. Seeing how the world of NationStates is considerbly larger, it would take about 15 minutes. Plenty of time to down them. It cost about 2.5 Trillion to put this system into orbit.

And even if you did launch an EMP missile at the place the missiles launched from, the missiles would be already reentering by the time your EMP missile arrived.
Did you read this:
...detonate within radius of your missles, knocking out their guidence and arming mechinisms, rendering your missles USELESS.

Im not sure how else to explain this to you, without drawing a diagram.

The phrase EMP SAM, while made up of two acronyms that are real, is made up.

EMP SAMs in theory can work. SAM is surface-to-air-missile and EMP is electro-magnetic-pulse. A SAM with an EMP warhead would be an EMP SAM.

Im not sure how else to explain this to you, without drawing a diagram.

Just draw the diagram and end this whole thing.

Im not sure how else to explain this to you, without drawing a diagram.

Just draw the diagram and end this whole thing.

I don't wanna!

Im by far to busy, and Im about to go out. Tis a friday night after all ;)

Thank you. Now that wasn't difficult was it? The EMP SAMs actually make sense in a technical sense, but diplomatically they would be suicide, because they would knock out whatever neutral countries happen to be underneath the EMP when it goes off, and no doubt they wouldn't be happy, and would demand lots of compensation.
Now as I said in the previous post, if we don't use nukes or EMP, then we don't have to worry about snazzy missile defence systems which might work, but haven't been built yet, and most likely won't be built within the next two or three years or so, which is where my nation is set.
Now you can either agree to the terms (no WMD), or you can go away and leave me alone, the choice is yours.

Im not sure how else to explain this to you, without drawing a diagram.

Just draw the diagram and end this whole thing.

I don't wanna!

Im by far to busy, and Im about to go out. Tis a friday night after all ;)

Just do a Google Image Search (http://images.google.com/) for the diagram.

Im not getting into this, but mearly pointing out something.
If my country was on venus it would be protected from most nukes, and EMPs because of the sulferic acid clouds, which prevent all light and desitigrate all matter.
With that said, you dont have to detonate nuclear weapons on a country. By exploding the first few whenever missles come in range, you would ceate a cloud that would block all radar to locate them, and the nucleatr winter would turn the region to -200. which would destroy them.
So, with that said, WMD are not to be used especially in quantities that can destroy a planet. If you do use them use the NIE or Nuclear Inflationary Effect which says that
1. Nuclear weapons can not obliterate a planet.
2. Nuclear weapons are proportional to poulation and military spending.
3. Nuclear weapons take time to build and thus grow slowly.
4. Nuclear weapons are detirmined by tech age and certain tech ages have an agreed multiplication factor.
5. Nuclear weapons create enviornmental disastors, which will affect the user along with the target.

Artitsa, Kahta, the two of you must cool it and refocus on the true enemy- A Corp. I'm still all for vaporizing their coastal towns one at a time with one of my surface fleets.

Grand Marshall Stewart Missing, Riots in Kahta City

(AP) Though initial reports are still unclear, it appears a group of rioting students have broken into the Presidential Palace. Reportedly the dictator of the country had just come in on his helicopter, when an RPG struck the helicopter as he was exiting. Almost instantaneaously at least 3,000 students exited from nearby buildings and converged on the palace. Guards who were going to the site were cut down by small arms fire from students who were on top of palace walls. In a story which appears to be unrelated, a large explosion has been reported in the mountains where military weapons are suspected to be stored.

Artitsa, Kahta, the two of you must cool it and refocus on the true enemy- A Corp. I'm still all for vaporizing their coastal towns one at a time with one of my surface fleets.

do not start a conflict you will lose.

Artitsa, Kahta, the two of you must cool it and refocus on the true enemy- A Corp. I'm still all for vaporizing their coastal towns one at a time with one of my surface fleets.

do not start a conflict you will lose.

I do not fear A Corp, therefore I do not fear a conflict with them. My nation alone could obliterate 75% of the nations in A Corp, and I have the backing of multiple 1 billion population nations who would rush to my side should you decide to attack.

-Teo McGrath, Great Matean President

All you can do is produce a load of hot air

All you can do is produce a load of hot air

"Fire, lead, death and destruction await those who support terrorism."

GRAND MARSHALL STEWART DEAD!!!

The death of Grand Marshall stewart has lead the country into anarchy. Most technological means to communicate are g---------.

<end transmission>

All you can do is produce a load of hot air

If that's what you believe, you are going to be in for a rude awakening.

Reportedly millions of men are walking off military bases. Others are destroying the new units, and the others are taking their former positions in their units before the hostile takeover. However there are reports that factions loyal to marshall stweart have taken control of ABM and ICBM units. They have recieved launch codes and some say they are going to glass the country. Maybe even "lake" it. Or even attack forces that were friendly to Kahta before the takeover.