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An oak door swings open, nine people file there way into the cabinet room.
At the head of the line, Ross Bearman prime minister of Kazaakisthan.
They take there seats around a large oak table, in the oak panelled room, with an oak door, which looked out onto the grounds of the parlimentary building with oak trees.

"So, Shyla whats hapening in the land of economics?" It was the prime minister who spoke first with an air of auhority to go with his voice.

"We are still going terrible in the money department, our national budget stands at $4,821,840,000 i would say we have a basket case of an economy. Tai we have had to cut military spending to 1%, sorry." The woman who spoke was Shyla Terely, head of economics, she wore a polyesther suit which, did not complement her looks at all. She was remarkebly pretty for woman who spent most of her life in an office 'bean counting.'

"Tai any news on the military front?" said the prime minister, flatly...

"I think Gary wanted to talk on behalf of the navy." Tai Pyro was a big man authority radiated off him... literally... he wore a standard military uniform with one side of his chest plastered in medals.

"Yes i did, actually. Though it might sound bad while we are going through an economic crisis." The man who spoke this time wore a blue navy uniform in his arm he carried a naval cane and at his side was a navy revolver in a leather case.

"No, no continue, please." It was sort of said in unicen, but the cheif of defences voice rose above the rest.

"Very well, the navy is in dire need of a command ship something impressive to control the fleet."

Shyla took control of the situation.
"So your saying we should spend precious money... on a ship"

"Yes that seems to be the case. Although i do have a plan. If we ask older, sea-faring natons, to help us build this ship."

Foreign affairs minsiter, Telanoyr Glass' face lit up with excitement at the prospect of new friends.

"And once we have finnished building the ship each nation which helps us will have the plans to build the ship, also we will have economic relationships with new country's and an impressive ship to escort VIP's safely around."


Today the cabinet office of Kazaakisthan asked otehr nations to vote on weather they should build a flag ship.

Please vote weather you think we should or not.

OOC: Also if you voted yes and you would like to help us design amd build this ship (which you will have free production rights to) please post below and I will telegram you all. I have set the poll to run out in two days.

bump... please post if you vote no aswell... i want to know why.

The Premier sat at his desk with Chief General Jason Taylor sitting in a chair opposite him.

"Sir, if we got into this ship design contract with them, we could finally develop a new capital ship for our own navy." said the general, "I mean the Norinco battlecruiser is a nice ship... but we don't have an enforcer type ship that can take as well as deal our firepower and punishment."

"Hmmm... but do we have the money to do this?" asked Bomfy, "Talk to finances, see if we have the money to set aside to join this venture."

"Yes Sir."

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Premier Bomfy
Centrist Republic of Aequatio

(OOC: I'm interested, I just like to RP out government decisions like this)

OOC: Same thing here Aequatio

"Sir!" The salute the recruit gave was warm welcoming.
"Yes?"
"We just recieved a message from Aequatio they are thinking of taking part but money is a problem."
"Well tell them, that it if we get enough support each nation will make the parts they are best at making."
"Sir! Yes, Sir!" The salute was a harsh, violent salute.

bump

General Taylor walked back into the Premier's office with a report from the finances department.

"Sir, we have plenty of money in the defence budget to support this threefold." said Taylor as he handed the report to Bomfy.

"Excellent, send a message to Kazaakisthan telling them that we have the money to fully support this project... oh, inform them too of the designs we have as well, perhaps they may be interested." ordered the Premier as he went back to work.

"Yes Sir."

[code:1:e085fa2448]—Aequatian Satellite Message Relay—

…Uplink to Aequatian Satellite Network found…

…Connection established…

…Transmission commencing…

Author: Chief General Jasoon Taylor, Aequatio
Recipient: Kazaakisthan
Authorization Code: 89297427

We are happy in inform you that our finance department as allowed us to set aside a large amount of money to support the project of designing and constructing a capital ship for a modern navy.

Aequatian Defence Contractors have a few designs for capital ships which have been completed and are awaiting government funding to get the go ahead for construction. If you are interested, we can send the designs to you for review by your own government.

…Transmission terminated…[/code:1:e085fa2448]

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Premier Bomfy
Centrist Republic of Aequatio

Naval Director Kim Wo looked over the massive ship building docks of Quincy Minning. Long had they been limited to building commercial craft and only the occasional warship. But there was an opportunity that the Board had just seen.

Most of the Directors had contacts throughout the Federated Klatchian Coast and the recent 'unpleasentness' was giving the voices for arming the FKC Joint Defense Force with something better than second-hand equipment strength in parliment.

The FKC needed a medium sized capital ship, one larger than the Clarcian Crusiers but smaller than the massive Soyez Battleships built by Vrak. No this was a perfect opportunity with little downside...

TO: The Nation of Kazaakisthan
Subject: construction of a capital ship
From: The Soverign Corporation of Quincy International, Naval Division.

We see a possible large market for a medium sized, well designed and built captial ship. As of present your desire to design and construct a fleet flagship for a nation and navy of your size offers the opportunity to develop a product line which has been ignored by most ship builders who are selling to the 'large nation' market. We hope that our offer of both financial support and technical expertise will be a benifit to all of the nations involved.

OOC: I wasn't sure how 'big' you were talking. But I think a nicely armed battlecruiser or pocket battleship would be a very good idea around here...

OOC: I'm thinking of something which is largish and is a cros between a battle ship and a command ship.

Something which will scare enemys and intice ally's.

IC:
The dull throbbing of the engine was starting to get to corporal McCleazy. He had been posted to work on the ship KZS Philosopher. It was the flagship of the Kazaakisthan Navy, but it still wasn't much.

His control panel started beeping. He looked down at the screen and green words met his eye.

"Incoming Message" it read. He clicked the transmit button and a message appeared on the screen.

[code:1:4a867b3794]

Transmission Received...
Transmission Deocding...
Relevant Code: Aequatio
Decoded...

Author: Chief General Jasoon Taylor, Aequatio
Recipient: Kazaakisthan
Authorization Code: 89297427

We are happy in inform you that our finance department as allowed us to set aside a large amount of money to support the project of designing and constructing a capital ship for a modern navy.

Aequatian Defence Contractors have a few designs for capital ships which have been completed and are awaiting government funding to get the go ahead for construction. If you are interested, we can send the designs to you for review by your own government.

...End of transmission...[/code:1:4a867b3794]

The corporal jumped out of his seat he hit the button on the radio.

"Sir this is corporal McCleazy, the butterknife has landed."
"Copy that... bouncing message now."

The door to the prime ministers office burt open.

"Sir!"
"At ease corporal Jones"
The corporal took a seat and relaxed.
"Great news sir, I just received a bounced message from KZS Philosopher.Aequatio have joined us!"

Corporal McCleazy returned to his post... and waited... and waited... and... beeeeeep!

He thought back to earlier and again clicked the transmit button.

Green writing reflected off his face in parterns.

[code:1:4a867b3794]
Transmission Received...
Transmission Deocding...
Relevant Code: Quincy Minning
Decoded...

To: The Nation of Kazaakisthan
Subject: construction of a capital ship
From: The Soverign Corporation of Quincy International, Naval Division.

We see a possible large market for a medium sized, well designed and built captial ship. As of present your desire to design and construct a fleet flagship for a nation and navy of your size offers the opportunity to develop a product line which has been ignored by most ship builders who are selling to the 'large nation' market. We hope that our offer of both financial support and technical expertise will be a benifit to all of the nations involved.

...End of transmission...[/code:1:4a867b3794]

AGain the message was bounced and again the prime ministers face lit up with joy.

There have been twelve votes but only 2 people have posted. PLease give your reason, yes or no.

If you want to find out my current military status go here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2169455).

Before you shout godmodder most of my military equipment was given to me for work i have done for other country's

OOC: The 'work' are websites i have made. I made freedom country's shopfront. So they gave me lots of ships and carrier based planes.
I am also making United Elias's website.

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Helmut, Reichsfuherer of Das Uber-Deutschlands Kriegsmarine sits up when he sees a new report layed on his desk. "another gripe or bitch made by the beurocrats I suppose....". His posture stiffens slightly as he reads the words, "this could be interesting, weve been waiting for the opprotunity to build a flagship for some time, but the capital just wasnt there with the design and mass-manufature of our main battle tanks and APCs. Perhaps the Kriegsmarine can now get her crowning jewel?" As the Reichsfuherer runs these plans through his mental list of procedures and red tape that would be required signed and dated, Captain Fritz opens the door with the mornings reports. "Sir, The second Kriegsmarine fleet has been grounded by your command until further notice and......" "Aye, nevrmind Fritz, I have a more important issue to deal with. Get me Central command, I need to wire a message to Kazaakisthan. Captain Fritz, its time we had a flagship for our grand navy."

Although Ravea is a more of a submarine oriented nation than battleships, we will help nonetheless. Ravea has plenty of extra money in its treasurey and will finacially aid Kazaakisthan in this endevour.

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Ravea

There have been twelve votes but only 2 people have posted. PLease give your reason, yes or no.

If you want to find out my current military status go here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2169455).

Before you shout godmodder most of my military equipment was given to me for work i have done for other country's

OOC: The 'work' are websites i have made. I made freedom country's shopfront. So they gave me lots of ships and carrier based planes.
I am also making United Elias's website.

OOC: I didn't vote since I'm not sure why I should? However, I should point out that the mainance on a 'large' vessel might break the bank. Typically I say 30% of the cost cost in maintance costs per year.(rule of thumb for equipment RL) But I'll TG you my ideas...

The prime minister stood up at the podium. He was never one to use notes or take special speech lessons.

"People of Kazaakisthan, as a new day dawns so does a new opportunity and with this new opportunity comes new friendships. Today our country commisioned the building of its flag ship to be dubbed:

KZS - Karqud the namme stands for KZS - KazAqueRaveaQuinUberDeutch. It will be made four times each of the nations involved will receive one."

We do not want anymore nations thank you.

The Federation has voted no because of Kazaakisthan's anti-capitalist policies.

Quincy, Ravea, Uber-Deutschland and Aequatio are the final nations.

Your thing about maintenance, we know this and currently all our armed forces except for a few soldiers (5716) who have stayed on for free. Are on unpaid leave as we are in an economic crisis. So the ship will not be used until we have enough. Becuase of this maintenance is much less when its in a dry dock.

OOC: If you want the hull to waste away and the systems to degrade, then yes... naval maintenance is much less in drydock.

OOC: Sorry i'm not that great with navy, logisitics and tactics are more my thing. I just geussed that.

Heres Das Uber-Deutschlands first concepts for this great ship:

-A massive ship, unparalleled in size, stature, and power.
-Set up as a command ship, with delegate meeting halls, war-rooms, etc.
-powerful attack and defense capability, cruise missles, torpedos, sea to ground artillery, its own security force of marines, etc.
-nuclear steam turbine propolsion with backup diesel generators. A ship this great needs to be sea worthy for very long periods of time.
-realisticly, if we want a great command ship, we need aircraft landing capability. Allowing this ship to land aircraft would allow it to have a defensive fighter wing.
-in the end, my first vision is that of a massive aircraft carrier, able to land transport aircraft, enlarged to basically house an embassy and condensed navel base.

Tell me what you think, and add to it.

Helmut, Reichsfuerher of the Kriegsmarine

The current designs for capital ships in the Aequatian navy include:

[code:1:fa05ec7b9c]Heart Class Carrier
Devastation Class Battleship
Norinco Class Battlecruiser
Valiant Class Missile Cruiser[/code:1:fa05ec7b9c]

The Valiant Class Missile Cruiser is considered a capital ship by our standards, but I doubt it contains the firepower necessary to be the flagship of an entire fleet.

If you would like to see the designs of these crafts, I will be happy to provide the schematics and specifications.

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Chief General Jason Taylor
Centrist Republic of Aequatio

If we use the shape and design of an aircraft carrier. That is good but we don't make it an aircraft carrier. Maybe have space for 2 helicopters and a fighter/bomber.

Then on the inside we need (not including all the normal things i.e bridge engine room):

Barracks,
4 x VIP suite,
2 x Meeting Room,
Communications Room,

We then need a hatch at the back with a hovercraft in it so if we go down we can get things out by plane, helicopter life boats and a large hovercraft for cargo.

OOC: If you all have scanners we can make pics tonight of what we think would be good and then take them to bits and work out what we're gonna use.

OOC: If you all have scanners we can make pics tonight of what we think would be good and then take them to bits and work out what we're gonna use.

I have pics of each ship design I have, communication rooms, meeting rooms and suites can all be added into the ship with little hassle to the effectiveness of the ships.

Hmm, Well I guess my offers of what you are going to spend for that are going to fall flat.

First, might I suggest that we limit the vessel since right now your trying to stick way too much on a hull, At the moment I suggest this...

4 forward mounted 12 inch guns in two turrets
4 standard modules for the mounting of anti-ship/anti-air wepons
6 CIS guns
several anti-air missle systems (The one by UE is fairly nice)

A command suite that will include
1 large meeting room (also serve as the Dining room/lounge)
1 small meeting room
4 VIP rooms
1 'extra' communications suite
1 'extra' galley
This can be removed for additional

Landing platform for 2 helicopters 1 VTOL aircraft
Below a space similar to a NARL platform using two of Clarca's smaller
hovercraft

Nuke: Read Smoke Jaguar's posts about that but I think a electric desiel might be more managable in this situation...

Realize that we are talking about the hull of an Iowa with this amount of stuff...

We are making this ship completely from scratch.

I have some good plans i'm making i used the hull of a carrier to start.

I will contact UE as i have bought a lot off them and we are allys.

We can put quite a lot on the hull of a Defiant Class Aircraft Carrier it can carry 95 aircraft. Here are some stats.

Power Plant Two Nuclear Power Plant (A4W Pressurized Water Reactor)
Four shafts, Four propellers, with five blades each
Length, overall: 1,592 feet (332.85 meters)
Flight Deck Width: 175 feet (76.8 meters)
Beam: 124 feet (40.84 meters)
Displacement Approx.: 59,000 tons empty
Displacement Approx.: 105,000 tons full load
Speed: 30+ knots (34.5+ miles per hour)
Aircraft: 95
Aircraft elevators: 2 Large
Catapults Four
Crew Ship's Company: 3,200
Air Wing: 2,480
Arnament: 4 AA-2 launchers
6 Phalnax's
2 AA-3 launchers
1 70mm cannon

If we strip that down we can get a very goor command flagship.

I think two sea-RAM anti-ship missile batterys at the front would be good. I can produce those for each ship.

Here is my picture (This is VERY rough do not use this as a guide. I'll post a blank guide of the whole for you to fill in with what you want.)...

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I reccomend a massive ship with nearly unheard of defensive capibilites, and impressive offensive capibilites. It should be able to lead a fleet into battle, and not be destroyed without doing as much damage as possible. A durable ship is better than an offensive ship.

However, i think that an aircraft carrier design would work well with what we are trying to make. If ths ship itself can have massive defensive capabilites, then its offensive caabilites can hide in a massive amount of fighter bombers and interceptors.

"We are still going terrible in the money department, our national budget stands at $4,821,840,000 i would say we have a basket case of an economy. Tai we have had to cut military spending to 1%, sorry."The Amorian economists are puzzled by Kazaakisthan's cut in government spending and had this to say about it : "If a nation is in an economic recession such as Kazaakisthan is currently, the last thing that nation would want to do is cut government spending. An increase in spending would be the most benificial.

The Economically Literate Empire of Luna Amore

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Im still with the plan of having an air-force wing attached to this vessel. I also push my opinion that we should have heavy artillery pieces (think Iowa class battleship) that can help clear the way for ground forces or attack enemy ships. I also hold that it needs to be very large. Heres some rough stats for the ship Das Uber-Deutschland has compiled:

300 mteres long
100 meters wide
nuclear propolsion from four reactors (large reactors compared to other nuclear vessels) and diesel backup power for auxilery systems.
Four air-craft landing strips, two VTOL landing pads.
75 air craft wing (dependant on types of craft)
command center including a war room, delegate suites, conference rooms, and communications room with network satelite connections and broadcasting capabilities.
Barracks used to house the crew, and a on vessel security force of marines.
offensive weapons including cruise missles, anti-ship torpedos, heavy artilery pieces for ground attack and armor/personel support, and tactical nuclear missle silos.
defensive weapons systems including sea sparrow based sea to air missles, RAM anti-aircraft systems, and heavy caliber (.50) anti-aircraft/ship miniguns.

Im still with the plan of having an air-force wing attached to this vessel. I also push my opinion that we should have heavy artillery pieces (think Iowa class battleship) that can help clear the way for ground forces or attack enemy ships. I also hold that it needs to be very large. Heres some rough stats for the ship Das Uber-Deutschland has compiled:

300 mteres long
100 meters wide
nuclear propolsion from four reactors (large reactors compared to other nuclear vessels) and diesel backup power for auxilery systems.
Four air-craft landing strips, two VTOL landing pads.
75 air craft wing (dependant on types of craft)
command center including a war room, delegate suites, conference rooms, and communications room with network satelite connections and broadcasting capabilities.
Barracks used to house the crew, and a on vessel security force of marines.
offensive weapons including cruise missles, anti-ship torpedos, heavy artilery pieces for ground attack and armor/personel support, and tactical nuclear missle silos.
defensive weapons systems including sea sparrow based sea to air missles, RAM anti-aircraft systems, and heavy caliber (.50) anti-aircraft/ship miniguns.

You've hit the nail on the head. This is what we want to be building. We want a variety of firepower. Which can be firing simeltanousely taking out multiple targets at the same time.

It will have normal lifeboats but also a large LCAC (cargo hovercraft). But on the side we could have a stealth assault ship. Such as the SEAL.

Weaponary:
cruise missles,
anti-ship torpedos,
Heavy artilery,
Sea sparrow based sea to air missles,
Sea-RAM anti-ship missiles,
RAM anti-aircraft systems,
.50 cal anti-aircraft/ship miniguns.

I have already said, Quincy, Ravea, Uber-Deutschland and Aequatio are the final nations. Nobody else should be posting.

Soviet Haaregrad please edit out your post we are not buying ships in, and you are not in the final nations anyway.

Heres Das Uber-Deutschlands fist engineering mock-up of the ship.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-12/525708/ship.JPG

Very, very nice perfect in fact.. almost.

Please, share your opinion on what can be changed or modified. Your ideas on sea farring hovercraft are still worked in of course. VTOL stations can be added by preference of nation, as well as the anti-aircraft weapons.

I have a freehand drawing on the way.

My free hand drawings are finnished but the scanner isn't working.

could you recreate them on a paint program?

Probably. But vector drawing is more my thing on computer. so it would be hard to do.

Also i like sketching free hand the most. I'll scan the pictures soon.

Heres Das Uber-Deutschlands second prototype. You can see we extended the air strips to allow landing of larger aricraft. We also did it to give us more hull space for the reacotors and backup diesel generators. We also added specifics on air defense and VTOL pads.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-12/525708/ship-2.JPG

Due to imenent military engagement with a communist nation, Das Uber-Deutschland is rushing a protoype of the 2nd generation ship be built and armed for combat. This should help give us good military feedback on how the ship performs.

Woah.... we don't even now whats gonna be powering it (what type of reactor) or what gunns it has yet. We can use other forces this ship should be built well not rushed.

The pictures where to big for the sreen :(

Sorry I am so late.

Is there anythign I can do to help?

The threat has cooled, I take back that rash statement. Now, to buisness. How are things with your people? Have you come up with any ways to improve? Perhaps another design to look at? Das Uber-Deutschland is currently compiling more exact info on their prototype. I stand for a nuclear powered ship, with diesel generators as backup for the auxilery systems. Let me know what you think.