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military guide to Das Uber-Deutschland.....

06-12-2003, 04:37
Das Uber-Deutschlands military prowess:

Total combat troops: 1,550,000
Total logistics troops: 1,500,000
Total full time combat troops: 800,000
Total reserve (Wehrmacht) combat troops: 750,000
Total full time logistics troops: 750,000
Total reserve (Wermacht) logistics troops: 750,000

Armored divisions:
1st through 10th SS panzer
-750 King Tiger III (PzKw X) main battle tanks per divison
-350 Panzer Wagon VIII fighting vehicles per division (with various weapon systems)
-30,000 tank crewman with 10,000 reserve tank-men
-immediately deployable over land or sea
-supported (on land) by the 1st through 10th armored supply groups

1st through 10th Wehrmacht panzer
-750 king Tiger III (PzKw X) main battle tanks per division
-350 Panzer Wagon VIII fighting vehicles per division (with various weapon systems)
-30,000 tank crewman with 10,000 reserve tank-men
-fully deployable in five days by land.
-supported (on land) by the 11th through 20th armored supply group

82nd through 86th SS mobile howitzer
-500 King Tiger III mobile howitzer panzers per division
-200 Panzer Wagon VIII fighting vehicles per division
-supported by the 171st through 175th armored supply groups

Mechanized divisions:
11th through 20th SS mechanized
-750 modified M1103 amphibious APCs per division
-1,000 drivers with another 500 reserves
-logistics capable of sustaining 7,500 APCs by the 21st through 31st mechanized supply group
-immediately deployable by land and sea.

11th through 20th Wehrmacht mechanized
-750 modified M1103 amphibious APCs per division
-1,000 drivers with another 500 reserves
-logistics capable of sustaining 7,500 APCs by the 32nd through 42nd mechanized supply group
-fully deployable in five days by land

Infantry Divisions:
21st through 61st SS infantry
-Each divison is made up of 10,000 soldiers
-Divisions are usually always attached to mechanized divisions
-400,000 men immediately deployable by land and sea
-supported by the 43rd through the 83rd infantry supply groups

21st through 61st Whermacht infantry
-Each division is made up of 10,000 soldiers
-Divisions are usually attached to mechanized divisions
-400,000 men fully deployable in five days by land.
-supported by the 84th through 124th infantry supply groups

87th through 97th SS grenadier infantry
-anti-mechanized/anti-panzer trained infantry
-trained in strategy and weapon systems specifically against mechanized units.
-usually deployed with mechanized or panzer divisions
-re-supplied by the 160th through 170th infantry supply groups

Land Support/Defense Divisions:
62nd through 77th SS artillery divisions
-1750 Sturm 88s per division
-five crewmen per artillery piece
-140,000 total crewman with 20,000 reserve men
-supported by the 125th through 140th artillery re-supply group (20,000 hummers modified for towing Sturm 88s)
-Usually deployed after main attack is successful and enemy ground is gained
-Half of divisions in position to defend beach head bunkers

Luftwaffe Devisions:
1st through 4th, 17th through 18th, and 23rd through 25th Luftwaffe fighter wings
-each wing contains 100 F/A 40 “Snake” multi-role fighters (two wings), JF-2000 air superiority fighters (three wings), and Messerschmitt SSD naval superiority fighters (four wings)
-supported by the 141st through 144th Luftwaffe supply groups
-land based wings

5th and 6th Luftwaffe attack helicopter squadrons
-each squadron contains 100 modified Apache type attack helicopters
-supported by the 145th and 146th Luftwaffe attack helicopter supply groups.
-land based squadrons

7th through 10th Luftwaffe air defense divisons
-each division contains 300 amphibious mobile ground-to-air missle defense systems (5000 crewmen with 750 reserve operators)
-supported by the 147th through 150th air defense logistics groups
-Usually attached to armored or mechanized divisions
-immediately deployable by land and sea

11th through 14th and 19th through 22nd carrier based Luftwaffe fighter wings
-each wing consists of 100 F/A 40 (2 wings) “Snake” multi-role fighters, JF-2000 air superiority fighters (three wings), and Messerschmitt SSD naval superiority fighters (three wings)
-supported by the 151st through 154th carrier based supply groups
-carrier based wings

15th and 16th carrier based luftwaffe attack helicopter squadrons
-each squadron consists of 100 modified Apache type attach helicopters
-usually used as armor, infantry, and mechanized air support.
-supported by the 155th and 156th carrier based supply groups
-carrier based squadrons

Kriegsmarine Divisoions:
1st Kriegsmarine fleet
-Flagship “Land Sturm”
-4 enterprise class carriers
-4 sea wolf submarines
-4 Brandenburg class frigates
-3 Sachsen class frigates
-4 Hayler Destroyers
-7 Modified mine layers
-7 modified missile ships
-supported by the 157th Kriegsmarine re-supply fleet

2nd Kriegsmarine fleet
-2 enterprise class carriers modified for attack helicopters
-2 Sea Wolf submarines
-2 Brandenburg class frigates
-1 Sachsen class frigate
-2 Hayler Destroyers
-2 modified missile ships
-supported by the 158th Kriegsmarine re-supply fleet

3rd Kriegsmarine fleet
-4 enterprise class carriers
-3 saschen class frigates
-4 hayler class destroyers
-4 Seawolf submarines
-4 Brandenburg class frigates
-7 modified mine layers
-7 modified missile ships
-supported by the 159th Kriegsmarine re-supply fleet

Amphibious landing craft divisions:
1st amphibious landing fleet
-capable of landing 7,500 APCs , 7,500 tanks, 3,500 fighting vehicles, 800 mechanized air defense systems, 7,500 Sturm 88s, loaded with around 750,000 combat troops and required logistics equipment.
-made up of mostly bulk freighters for carrying amphibious vehicles and soldiers.
-supplied by the 159th amphibious assault supply group (the largest single logistics group)

Special Forces Divisions:
78th SS Fallschirm Jager division
-10,000 personnel
-Used for pre-attack logistics, demolition, and reconnaissance
-deployed by modified Boeing 747 type high altitude planes
-Usually can deploy troops before incoming craft can engage
-requires no logistic or re-supply

79th SS ground command and assault
-50 specially trained officers
-used to coordinate large armies in an urban combat situation

80th SS defense command and engineering
-50 specially trained officers
-used to coordinate large armies in preparation of defenses and the engineering of so stated defenses.

81st SS assault
-10,000 specially trained combat soldiers
-used to assault enemy installations, infiltrate facilities, and performe hostage/prisoner extraction.

Engineering Divisions:
1st through 10th engineering devisions
-made up of army engineers, heavy moving equipment, and supply trucks for raw material in the bridging of enemy terrain and defenses.
-each division made up of 10,000 men.

Nuclear arsenal:
-200 nuclear warheads total
-50 tactical missiles (types classified)
-50 long range missiles (types classified)
-50 fighter based missiles and bombs (types classified)
-50 unused warheads in storage


Weapons currently fielded:

STG 44K1:
http://photos.groups.aol.com/_img/onesixthwaroom/RgbqKC/assaultrifle.jpg
A domesticly manufactured weapon simular in appearance and operation to the AK74 (the klachinkov being mostly stolen concepts from the grandfather of all asault rifles, the STG44), however built with better meterials and manufacturing processes such as machined billet steel and hardened chrome lined barrels. Other features include a removable muzzle brake/flash supressor and aperature peep site with optional accesory rail for mounting of optical sighting systems. Furniture is made of nearly industructible form injected polymer. Variations include folding stocks, heavy barrel sniper version, and short carbine version.

MP44K1:
A domesticly manufactured weapon very simular to the aformentioned STG44K1 except chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge. This weapon is Das Uber-Deutschlands main SMG. Weight and handling very simular to the STG44K1 to help integrate weapons training.

Glock 21:
http://photos.groups.aol.com/_img/onesixthwaroom/RgbqKC/glock.jpg
A handgun imported from Austria in vast numbers as the official side arm of Das Uber-Deutschlands armed forces. This handgun is one of the mose durable, combat ready handguns produced today. Unsurpased in durability and ease of use. chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge.

MG42K1:
http://photos.groups.aol.com/_img/onesixthwaroom/RgbqKC/mg42.jpg
A domesticly produced (in huge numbers) heavy machinegun identical to the original design, except enhanced with a cryogenicly stress relieved stainless steel lined carbon fiber barrel for faster heat dissapation. This weapon is also built to more exacting and manufacturing processes and meterials than the WWII version. Das Uber-Deutschland looked into building a original design, however it was found that nothing could beat the fire power, durability, reliability, and cost efectiveness of the finest machinegun ever produced. Do to the fairly simple manufacturing procceses and omnipresent techincal documents, this gun is very effiecient and cheap to build, therefor allowing it to be produced in massive quantities. Chambered for the redesigned 8mm mauser.

Sturm 88 (88mm,130mm,155mm):
http://photos.groups.aol.com/_img/onesixthwaroom/RgbqKC/flak.jpg
Based on the famous German FLAK 88, these artillery pieces are capable of lobbing any currently manufactured artillery munitions (for their respective bore measurment). 88mm range is 5 miles, 130mm range is 7 miles, and 155mm range is 10 miles. These are towed pieces usualy used in defensive situations or placed on held enemy ground. all models use satelite GPS targeting and are powered by Lithium ion batteries which can sustain the targeting computer for nearly a month. Manual targeting sites are also equiped on all models. Loading and firing is acommplished manually and mechanicly, seperate from the electronic targeting system.

King Tiger III (PzKwX):
http://photos.groups.aol.com/_img/onesixthwaroom/RgbqKC/tank.jpg
Das Uber-Deutschland is proud to announce that we have completed our first major ground based military project, a main battle tank. The idea behind the massive expenditure of engineering capital behind this was to have an itegrated, top of the line tank that any country within the URAP can produce. My country recently made two hundered billion on a technology contract with another nation (a none military contract). This has jumpstarted production of the main battle tank.

Specs:
weight-75 tons
length-390 inches
width-145 inches
ground clearance-22 inches
obastacle crossing-51 inches
fuel capacity-500 gallons
tactical range-370 (nearly 100 more miles than abrams)
propolsion-V8 twin turbo diesel powering a 1566 KW (2100 hp) generator through gear reduction. 2 AC traction motors powering each track with hydraulic anti-vibration dampening.
Max speed-55 mph (governed, in extreme cases, can achieve 65mph)
0-45mph-11.7 seconds
armor-depleted uranium armor (9 tons more than M1 abrams). Active defensive armor available.
Armament-130mm high velocity smooth bore main cannon firing a bepleted uranium or tungsten projectile shrouded in a sabot. HEAT round capable.
1 anti-personal 5.56 NATO minigun mounted on turet.
2 anti-personel 8mm mauser MG42K1 machine guns, one in front middle of hull, one on rear middle of hull.
1 anti-motorized thermal targeted missle system.
cost: around 7 million per unit
I dont want to clog up the board anymore, however if you need good reasons as to why this tank is superior to others, just telegram me, and ill give you facts. these are merely combat specs, they do not speak of the superior logistics this tank posseses. A simple comparison is between the abrams; notice an abrams weighs about 65 tons and goes 45 mph max. This tank weighs 75 tons yet can thunder around at 55mph. This is because the unit produces 2100 horsepower at the generator wheres an abrams generates 1500 before going through the thermaly innefiecient hydrokinetic (no, thats not a bs word) transmission. as you can see, this tank has no designation as of yet. I thought Id leave it up to the other nation of URAP. As I said, ill finish the discription of the tank if theres want from other URAP members. production has already started in Das Uber-Deutschaland, other nations are encouraged to follow, as production rights to this tank are free to any nation within the URAP. I ask only for your numbers, and your commitment to the defense of Das Uber-Deutschland, or any other URAP nation for that matter, if we are attacked.
First off, this tanks propulsion is better than the abrams because it uses no transmission. An inherent problom with transmissions (especialy heavy equipment tranies) is that they generate a lot of heat. This on top of massive torque make them not as reliable as could be desirable, as in high maitanence cost etc. The deisel electric propulsion of our tank completely eliminates the need of a transmission. All it needs is a simple clutch to allow it to idle. Also, the power to weight ratio of electric motors verses any kind of internal combustion engine is far greater. Every pound saved in the power to weight ratio equation equalls more allowance for armor. These electtric motors that run the tracks are very low maitanence and produce little heat. Since the diesel engine runs a generator, you basicaly have a moving generator as well, allowing possible future artilery pieces that can recieve power from armored devisions. In the area of armor, these tanks use depleted uranium. Depleted uranium is many times more dense than armor grade steel. With a more powerful propolsion system, this allows this tank to have more armor and still retain a top in class high speed. In the area of armament, the main cannon, a high velocity smooth bore 130mm cannon, uses the same size projectile as a 120mm cannon, only it has a larger sabot that allows it to soak up more vibration and therfor be more accurate. The cannon is stabalised by a hydraulic dampening system that also keeps accuracy very good. Targeting for the main gun can be thermal, infrared, and night vision. The anti-mechanized missle system is designed to stop very fast incoming threats such as helicopters, and light mechanized vehicles. This system is thermaly targeted and after fired, fully automated. The anti-personal turet mounted mini-gun is fairly self explanetory, it fires a huge amount of lead in a small amount of time.

King Tiger III mobile howitzer (PzKwXI):

http://photos.groups.aol.com/_img/onesixthwaroom/RgbqKC/howitzer.jpg

Built off of the King Tiger III chassis and powetrain, this piece of equipment is designed to make a 155mm piece of artillery mobile and armored. This allows immiediatley deployable artillery alongside of an offensive drive of MBTs, troops, and fighting vehicles.

Panzer Wagon VII amphibious APC:

http://photos.groups.aol.com/_img/onesixthwaroom/RgbqKC/apc.jpg

Das Uber Deutschland recently introduced their new, top of the line, King Tiger III (PzKwX) main battle tank. This tank has already proven to be a commercial success, and therefor, we have decided to release our custom built, main battle tank based armed and armored APC. As you can imagine, this APC is based on the chassis and drivetrain of the King Tiger III. Naturlly, this APC is the largest in its class, however, it also has amphibious capabilities. This allows the APC to act as a heavily armed and armored landing craft. Powering this APC is an advanced Diesel electric propolsion system. This system is far more fuel efficient than a gas turbine system. Heres an excerpt from the King Tiger III description of the propolsion system:
"An inherent problom with transmissions (especialy heavy equipment tranies) is that they generate a lot of heat. This on top of massive torque make them not as reliable as could be desirable, as in high maitanence cost etc. The deisel electric propulsion of our tank completely eliminates the need of a transmission. All it needs is a simple clutch to allow it to idle. Also, the power to weight ratio of electric motors verses any kind of internal combustion engine is far greater. Every pound saved in the power to weight ratio equation equalls more allowance for armor. These electtric motors that run the tracks are very low maitanence and produce little heat. Since the diesel engine runs a generator, you basicaly have a moving generator as well, allowing possible future artilery pieces that can recieve power from armored devisions." On top of these facts, the normally difficult and expensive process of making a military vehicle go forward in water is offset by the fact that this tank needs no extra accesory shaft to run a rotor to power its amphibious rotor. Power is merely switched from the tracks to an electric motor powering the rotor.

The armor for this APC system is depleted Uranium, which is far more dense than armor grade steel, creating a thinner less obtrusive armor plating. It can be orederd with active defense armor plating as well. This APC can accomodate up to 20 soldiers in full combat gear. It has a fully integrated NBC anti-biological/anti-nuclear filtration system, keeping the pressure inside the APC higher than atmospheric. It can be armed with many different offensive and defensive weapon systems, including an anti-mechanized defensive system, an anti-tank missle system (based on TOW 2), heavy caliber (.50) anti-light mechanized/personel/air minigun, and automatic grenade launcher. The entire APC and suspension is sealed against intrusion of water.
This APC provides a top in class performance, armor, and armament capabilities, along with amphibious traits that allow this APC to be a multi-role design for any army, navy, or marine corps that wants the best. It also, naturally, integrates with the King Tiger III for a trully unstopable base for ground assault. If any of you have any additional questions, feel free to ask.


Panzer Wagon VIII amphibious fighting vehicle:

Simular in most respects to the Panzer Wagon VII except it is equiped with an autoloading high velocity 30mm rifled main cannon. This is a 60rpm cannon primarily designed for knocking out enemy mechanised equipment. The fighting vehicles troop capacity is droped to 15 due to the extra space needed for a gunner and main cannon amunition. This fighting vehicle is fielded as a MBT and personel support system. A compromise between mobility and fire-power on the battlefield.

"Land Sturm" class flagship:

http://photos.groups.aol.com/_img/onesixthwaroom/RgbqKC/ship2.jpg

Das Uber Deutschland is proud to announce its newest advancement in naval technology, the Land Sturm class naval flagship. This ship is capable of land support with its heavy artillery cannons, as well as air support with its wing of 65 aircraft. Missile systems include 150 cruise missile tubes and four tactical nuclear missile tubes. Defensive missile systems include sea sparrow missile systems, sea RAM missile systems, and SAM sites. Propulsion for this craft comes from four separate nuclear reactors. Backup Diesel generators can run all electrical systems on the vessel in the case of total reactor failure or shutdown. This ship has a fully capable foreign relations, intelligence, and communications center with satellite broadcasting capability. Separate from the aforementioned area is the ship central command and navigation. Since this is a flagship, naturally, it is massive and awe inspiring in stature, firepower, and defensibility. With a complimenting naval fleet, this flagship is capable of launching massive offensive strikes by both heavy artillery and air. It is also capable of hosting foreign nations in negotiations and conferences.

Length:575 meters

Width: 150 meters

Displacement: 137,000 tons fully loaded

Propulsion: 4 CV72 domestic reactors, six shafts

Speed: 37 knots

Sea endurance:5 months

Aircraft wing: 85 winged aircraft (dependant on aircraft types), 7 VTOL or rotary aircraft

Flight deck: four catapults, four elevators (capable of carrying three aircraft a piece) two surface hangers, six lower hangers.

Jet Fuel capacity: 5 million gallons

Crew: 3,500crewman, 3,000 air wing, 750 diplomatic security force

Armor: alloyed steel panels over ballistic ceramic plates (thickness and actual composition classified)

Armament: 12 sixteen inch cannons (scramjet ammunition capable), 250 cruise missile tubes, two “two towers” imported anti-BM and ICBM missile systems, 50 deck mounted .50 caliber chain guns, 5 SEA RAM anti-aircraft missile systems, 4 tactical missile silos (nuclear ICBM capable), 24 anti-submarine surface launched missiles (RUM based).

Targeting systems: short to intermediate range radar-intercept system, long range radar-intercept system, Global positioning naval intelligence system, intermediate-long range artillery targeting system, Cruise Missle long range targeting system, SEA RAM short to intermediate range targeting system, “two towers” anti-ballistic missile system targeting and tracking system, ICBM super long range satellite targeting and tracking system.



Messerschmitt SSD: (seestreikrafte superiortat dusenjager)

(naval superiority fighter)

http://photos.groups.aol.com/_img/onesixthwaroom/RgbqKC/messerschmitt.jpg

With the advent and use of advanced SAM and ATA type missiles, Das Uber-Deutschland has seen it necessary to build a fighter capable of evading these advanced anti-air systems. Many designs have focused on the use of complicated and expensive electronics to try to fool anti-air missile systems. Instead, Das Uber-Deutschland has decided to try to do what we did late in the second world war, and that is produce a faster and more maneuverable fighter. In the end, our objective was to create the smallest, fastest, and most maneuverable air-superiority craft ever built.

What we came up with was a new class of fighter, the multi-role naval superiority fighter. The idea behind this classification is not a new concept, we have merely built on what the Japanese pioneered during world war two. That is to send fast maneuverable fighters to attack enemy naval vessels. In the case of this design, a fighter capable of outmaneuvering enemy anti-air missiles, and being a tiny, fast target for anti-aircraft machine gun fire. With this kind of attack in mind, the Messerschmitt SSD can be equipped with a single air to sea torpedo. This, naturally, also makes the Messerschmitt SSD an excellent sub hunter with its ability to cover a large area at high speed.

With multi-role in mind, this fighter also acts as an excellent tank hunter. In this guise, the fighter can be equipped with anti-tank missiles. With its speed and maneuverability, it makes a nearly impossible target against advancing armored divisions. With all models, the fighter is equipped with a 30mm chain-gun capable of chewing up flight decks and light mechanized equipment. This craft, as is evident, was not designed for ground bombing missions, however it is capable of knocking out easily destroyed ground installations such as fuel depots with an available napalm cluster bomb. In air-air combat, the Messerschmitt SSD excels with its superior speed and maneuverability. It is capable of carrying two independent air-air missiles

As for technical systems, this aircraft carries the usual array of radar, targeting, communications, and target acquisition systems. These systems have been manufactured with the most modern technology to make them as small as possible. The aircraft is built to retain structural integrity at eleven Gs. All models of this craft are built with naval launch equipment, however they can also take off from the ground with no modifications.

In conclusion, the Messerschmitt SSD is a top of the line fighter capable of superior speed, maneuverability, and efficiency. When flown by a competent pilot, this aircraft can outwit most advanced SAM systems. In tandem with its small size, this aircraft is perfect for aircraft carrier launch, since more of these fighters can be held on board than any conventional fighter. Das Uber-Deutschland hopes to have “mini-carriers” in the near future to launch the Messerschmitt SSD. These two naval systems, in conjunction with each other, will create a formidable fast response military option.

Specifications:

Length: 12 meters
height: 2.8 meters
Wing span: 11.6 meters
Max speed: mach 2.5
Cruise speed: mach 1.8
Ceiling: 48,000 feet
Range: 3,700 km
Propulsion: one NDS 2020 turbofan jet engine
Thrust: 20,000 pounds of static thrust, 40,000 pounds on afterburner
Weight: 36,000 pounds
Armament: 1 fuselage hard point
1 under wing hard point (per wing)
1 wing tip air to air hard point
1 30mm chain gun
06-12-2003, 07:33
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06-12-2003, 07:51
I can take you down.


Bring it on, MOTHA FUCKA!
06-12-2003, 08:14
I can take you down.


Bring it on, MOTHA f---!
Just dont talk.
06-12-2003, 18:24
terrorist groups always seem to bielive in one sided odds. I would be carefull, Das Uber-Deutschland and her allies do not look kindly on terrorist groups.
The Fedral Union
06-12-2003, 20:18
Terroist should be hanged .
06-12-2003, 21:09
Aye, they will collapse in on themselves eventually. Its easier to wait for things to quiet down, then massacre their leadership after you get one of their younglings to open thier mouths, either with money or torture.
Diminix
06-12-2003, 21:13
I can take you down.


Bring it on, MOTHA f---!


:lol:
The Fedral Union
06-12-2003, 21:18
Lol maby he could try to take us all on . id bet he would lose tho lol.
Arribastan
06-12-2003, 21:30
hey, ATA, i'll fight you. as a matter of fact, look at my creation date.

(everyone else, stay out of this)
03-01-2004, 04:22
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Layarteb
03-01-2004, 04:27
Nice Das Uber and once those Twin Towers get to you you'll have some nice air defense abilities against ICBMs. Delivery time has been upped by the way. You'll have 2 by Monday, 4 by saturday, and 5 by the next Monday.
03-01-2004, 04:29
Thanks for the praise, I try hard to protect my people and ideologies.
Layarteb
03-01-2004, 05:18
BTW Das do you have any plans to put the EF-2000 into your storefront?
Nianacio
03-01-2004, 05:39
Interesting. :)
terrorist groups always seem to bielive in one sided odds. I would be carefull, Das Uber-Deutschland and her allies do not look kindly on terrorist groups.TATA is ANTI-terror.

I read the Russian Federov Avtomat of 1916 was the first rifle "which can be identified as conforming to the specification of an assault rifle", BTW.
The Golden Simatar
03-01-2004, 05:42
Hate to disappoint you Das, aber das ist nicht ein Sturmgewher. OOC I'm taking German so I'm tring my skills out. That is a Nikonov AN-94. I sell those at my store at $700 a pop.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2503939#2503939
03-01-2004, 07:17
Golden simitar, you must think me a simpleton, however, youd be wrong. My country DESIGNATES this rifle as STG44K1, however that doesnt meen ist actully the original. My point was to show that my country manufatures an Nikonov 94 (simular to an AK74) to our own specifications and calls it a STG44K1. To call it an AK would be to give the Russians credit for using german technology in the AK design. As for the first assault rifle, the STG44 was the first automatic rifle that featured a high capacity magazine and shortened rifle cartidge. The STG44 was by far the most superior "personal" firearm of the war, and was superceded only after the AK design was introduced in 1947. It is well known that the germans produced the best automatic weapons during the war. This still rings true in many cases today.
The Golden Simatar
03-01-2004, 14:51
Your talking to a WW2 buff. I KNOW what an STG44 is.
Nianacio
03-01-2004, 20:25
As for the first assault rifle, the STG44 was the first automatic rifle that featured a high capacity magazine and shortened rifle cartidge.Well, the Federov Avtomat was selective-fire and had an intermediate cartridge. I don't know its magazine capacity, but here (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ARavtomat.jpg) is a picture I found of it.
03-01-2004, 21:08
Its a blow back design though. I suppose you could call it an assault rifle, technicaly, however the STG44 was the first to coin the term and also the first to use a fully automatic gas operated bolt system. Heres ans excerpt from wikipedia.com:
"The Sturmgewehr 44 (StG44) was the world's first truly effective assault rifle. It was introduced by the German army late in WWII, and if the war had continued another year, the SG44 would have replaced every other rifle, light machine gun, and submachine gun in the Wehrmacht, including the antique Karabiner 98k and MP38. After the war the StG44 resulted in the outright replacement of almost every infantry gun in the western world, serving as the direct inspiration for the Russian AK47, the most prolific gun in the world, and the indirect inspiration for practically everything else."

As for you, golden simitar, you clearly dont understand what im trying to say. I know that picture is not a STG44. Please reread my post and perhaps youll understand that I will not call it a klashinkov design, though that what it is. I am designating it after the world war two weapon for nationallistic pride and a sublte statement that we bielive the russains stole german technology.
17-01-2004, 19:51
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11-02-2004, 04:27
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