NationStates Jolt Archive

"After the results of last year's Grand Census, we have concluded that Thunderstraat is, above all, a religious nation. We have here the proportions of citizens in religions:
Mormonism: 40%
Catholicism: 35%
Protestant: 10%
Islam: 10%
Other Earthborn faiths: 4%
Wicca: .9%
Atheism: .1%
With the minority of 1%, atheism is now considered a cult. Stay tuned."

"After the results of last year's Grand Census, we have concluded that Thunderstraat is, above all, a religious nation. We have here the proportions of citizens in religions:
Mormonism: 40%
Catholicism: 35%
Protestant: 10%
Islam: 10%
Other Earthborn faiths: 4%
Wicca: .9%
Atheism: .1%
With the minority of 1%, atheism is now considered a cult. Stay tuned."
Well if thats you outlook. (Look out for BFTE he is declaring war on all nations whos offical religion isn't islam He's a Godmoder

"After the results of last year's Grand Census, we have concluded that Thunderstraat is, above all, a religious nation. We have here the proportions of citizens in religions:
Mormonism: 40%
Catholicism: 35%
Protestant: 10%
Islam: 10%
Other Earthborn faiths: 4%
Wicca: .9%
Atheism: .1%
With the minority of 1%, atheism is now considered a cult. Stay tuned."

And the Christian nation of Nanakaland knows that Mormonism is a non-Christian cult. Mormonism doesn't save. Click here (http://www.carm.org/warning/warning.htm)!

What happens when something is declared a cult?

The Federation will condemn any attempt by the government of Thunderstraat to infringe upon the rights of its minority citizens.

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"The term 'separation of church and state' no longer has any meaning in the Thunderstraat government. Creationism is being taught in schools. Huge subsidies have been granted to all official churches ((the ones that aren't cults)) and enormous church buildings are being built in all corners of the Star Empire.
There is talk of a holy war.
Stay tuned."

And Nanaka, interesting tract. Out of context with most of the "evidence", however.

"The term 'separation of church and state' no longer has any meaning in the Thunderstraat government. Creationism is being taught in schools. Huge subsidies have been granted to all official churches ((the ones that aren't cults)) and enormous church buildings are being built in all corners of the Star Empire.
There is talk of a holy war.
Stay tuned."

We will accept Thunderstraat's independance, but we will not tolerate any oppression of minorities. If atheists, or any political or religious group are singled out, we will make sure there are repercussions.

Atheism is not a religion though... so how exactly can it be a religious cult?

I, Emperor Kristoffer IV, and my Holy Empire of Swabischen, formally declare our suppport to Thunderstraat, and will consider hostile action towards them by political correctionists to be a decleration of war on us!
On a side note, our policy towards non-christians within our nation is that those of the book (Mormons, Jews, Muslims) will be deported to somewhere else (countries wishing to apply for the excess ethnic population may wire Swabischen a telegram, or contact us in a post), or may convert to Protestantism, or Catholicism, whereas pagans (Atheists, Wiccans, Polytheists, etc.) are to be converted at sword-point (gun point, technically), or burned at the stake.

The Federation decries the breakdown of secular government and lack of respect for modern civilization in Thunderstraat.

Athiesm cannot be a cult, it is not specific enough. Thiesm isn't a cult for example, Christianity on the other hand is.

atheism is not a religion... so how can it be a religous cult? and the religion Islam is not proper... its muslim... im pretty sure.

I have the full support of my country in this matter. South Prussia will support the proud nation of Thunderstraat until this is seen through.



Wilhelm III
South Prussia

I, Emperor Kristoffer IV, and my Holy Empire of Swabischen, formally declare our suppport to thunderstraat, and will consider hostile action towards them by political correctionists to be a decleration of war on us!
On a side note, our policy towards non-christians within our nation is that those of the book (Mormons, Jews, Muslims) will be deported to somewhere else (countries wishing to apply for the excess ethnic population may wire Swabischen a telegram, or contact us in a post), or may convert to Protestantism, or Catholicism, whereas pagans (Atheists, Wiccans, Polytheists, etc.) are to be converted at sword-point (gun point, technically), or burned at the stake.

The Secretary-General signed an Emergency Executive Order today prohibiting the formation of diplomatic relations with Swabischen until the nation's draconic policies are repealed. The Executive Order also prohibited any vehicle registered to Swabischen from entering Federation-controlled airspace, land, or waters. Business leaders in the Federation also pledged to not enter into any trade relationships with Swabischen economic ventures.

atheism is not a religion... so how can it be a religous cult? and the religion Islam is not proper... its muslim... im pretty sure. Actually Islam is religion Muslin is a follower of Islam.

Thunderstraat will reverse these policies immediately. All atheists will be treated as equals to those among the majority cultist Christians. Any unjust treatment of minorities will result in Kovikalaiya.

*Kovikalaiya is a Galdanian word meaning 'fierce struggle' or 'rightous battle'.

South Prussia will stand and fight by Thunderstraat, AND Swabichen if conflict accurs and agree with them both in all matters.

Pulled from Encyclopedia Eridania:

Cult-A cult is a group of individuals, having a religous belief in something other than god, or have a "strange" belief as to what god is.

Atheism-No beliefs in any dieties, but instead believe that which can be supported with physical evidence.

Thus, atheism is not a cult. The Lunatic Asylum of Eridanus does not recognize your classification of atheism as a cult.

South Prussia will stand and fight by Thunderstraat, AND Swabichen if conflict accurs and agree with them both in all matters.

The GCRG (Glorious Communist Republic of Galdania) will not tolerate
tin-pot dictators attempting to oppress people for their beliefs, or lack of them.

If the governments of South Prussia, Swabichen, or Thunderstraat harm any political or religious group for the reasons of their beliefs, action will be taken.

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Proles on Parade

If Galadina does not re-open it's boerders to Swabischen, there will be dire consequences.

I Galadina does not re=open it's boerders to Swabischen, there will be dire consequences.

I honestly don't understand what you said, or what you mean by that.

The Secretary-General signed an Emergency Executive Order today prohibiting the formation of diplomatic relations with South Prussia until the nation reverses its aggressive bullying of other soverign states. The Executive Order also prohibited any vehicle registered to South Prussia from entering Federation-controlled airspace, land, or waters.

I, Emperor Kristoffer IV, formally decrie this political meddling at the hands of Galdania and the Autonomous citey states. Who do you think you are, to dare declare your vile policies world-wide edicts? Who are you to decide what is just, what is moral? In light of this escalating disaster, I and my Reichskanzeller Herrman VonBulow are organizing a Holy Alliance. Let all the faithful nations of the world, be they Muslim, or christian, or jewish, rise up against the satanic cult of political
correctness! I call a crusade upon these vile hotbeds of sin and degeneracy! Let you who stand not with me be judged harshly in the afterlife, and those who stand with God be rewarded justly! Mitt GOTT!!! fur Koenig und Vaterland!!!! Gott mitt uns!!! And may the just be granted Holy might by God to strike down His vile enemies! HUZZAH!!!!!!

That was a serise of typos! Do not mock South Prussia's might!

If Galadina does not re-open it's boerders to Swabischen, there will be dire consequences.

Our borders to Swabischen were never open. We will, however, accept refugees from their tyranny.

I, Emperor Kristoffer IV, formally decrie this political meddling at the hands of Galdania and the Autonomous citey states. Who do you think you are, to dare declare your vile policies world-wide edicts? Who are you to decide what is just, what is moral? In light of this escalating disaster, I and my Reichskanzeller Herrman VonBulow are organizing a Holy Alliance. Let all the faithful nations of the world, be they Muslim, or christian, or jewish, rise up against the satanic cult of political
correctness! I call a crusade upon these vile hotbeds of sin and degeneracy! Let you who stand not with me be judged harshly in the afterlife, and those who stand with God be rewarded justly! Mitt GOTT!!! fur Koenig und Vaterland!!!! Gott mitt uns!!! And may the just be granted Holy might by God to strike down His vile enemies! HUZZAH!!!!!!

The policies signed into effect by the Secretary-General today legally declare Swabischen and South Prussia persona non grata with respect to the Federation. Our policy only extends as far as our borders and is in no way imperialist or imposed on other nations. We will make our decisions as to what is just and moral... just as you have. The Federation asks that Swabischen and South Prussia respect our decision as a sovereign state and not engage in foolish acts of terroristic threatening and aggression.

Political and religious refugees from Swabischen, South Prussia, and Thunderstraat are welcome to start new lives in the Federation, though.

I, Emperor Kristoffer IV, formally decrie this political meddling at the hands of Galdania and the Autonomous citey states. Who do you think you are, to dare declare your vile policies world-wide edicts? Who are you to decide what is just, what is moral? In light of this escalating disaster, I and my Reichskanzeller Herrman VonBulow are organizing a Holy Alliance. Let all the faithful nations of the world, be they Muslim, or christian, or jewish, rise up against the satanic cult of political
correctness! I call a crusade upon these vile hotbeds of sin and degeneracy! Let you who stand not with me be judged harshly in the afterlife, and those who stand with God be rewarded justly! Mitt GOTT!!! fur Koenig und Vaterland!!!! Gott mitt uns!!! And may the just be granted Holy might by God to strike down His vile enemies! HUZZAH!!!!!!

Galdania trembles before the might of the cultists. :roll:

We ask, what are the goals of this 'Holy Army' of the fascists?

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Though not communist or capitalist, we do not share the same views on South Prussia and it's cohorts regarding religion. Galdana and Autonomous city-States are correct in judging these governments, and we support them both in whatever course of action they take.

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Though not communist or capitalist, we do not share the same views on South Prussia and it's cohorts regarding religion. Galdana and Autonomous city-States are correct in judging these governments, and we support them both in whatever course of action they take.

What are you talking about?!?! I'm a cohort! Read the whole thread :roll:
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Soon to happen.

I read it, I'm just not good at english. I typed it wrong.

We stand by AC-S and Galdana.

I Emperor Kristoffer IV, have discussed with my cabinet, and decide that a peaceful agreement can be reached with the Autonomous city states (although I formally resent your irritating use of the term "terrorist"), and we are glad that you will maintan your own borders, and not infringe on our policies. We will suggest to displaced ethnic groups your fine nation, and hope they may practice their beliefes successfully elsewhere. However, with regard to the socialist dictatorships of Galdania and Genya, if you do not cease your threats you will be targeted by the Crusade of the Just. The Holy Empire of Swabischen has signed a formal trade embargo with the Empire of south Prussia against your nations, and we shall be adding nations to the list as our crusade grows. Today marks a milestone in the history of Christianity, and all true religions! We shall prevail over the communist swine, and will not be bullied by any "socialist directorates" or what have you. You may take our lives, but we rest secure in the fact that God will reward us well, and judge you harshly.

Emperor Kristoffer IV

Kerenia stands with Swabischen and South Prussia! We will fight if need be!

I Emperor Kristoffer IV, have discussed with my cabinet, and decide that a peaceful agreement can be reached with the Autonomous city states (although I formally resent your irritating use of the term "terrorist"), and we are glad that you will maintan your own borders, and not infringe on our policies. We will suggest to displaced ethnic groups your fine nation, and hope they may practice their beliefes successfully elsewhere. However, with regard to the socialist dictatorships of Galdania and Genya, if you do not cease your threats you will be targeted by the Crusade of the Just. The Holy Empire of Swabischen has signed a formal trade embargo with the Empire of south Prussia against your nations, and we shall be adding nations to the list as our crusade grows. Today marks a milestone in the history of Christianity, and all true religions! We shall prevail over the communist swine, and will not be bullied by any "socialist directorates" or what have you. You may take our lives, but we rest secure in the fact that God will reward us well, and judge you harshly.

Emperor Kristoffer IV

Galdania runs under a democratic system, in which the Communist Party has won nearly all of the elections. We must, however, enforce human rights. If you wish to be rid of your atheists, send them to Galdania. They will be treated fairly here.

Islam and Judaism are somewhat popular in Galdania, but atheism reigns supreme.

The Federation will condemn any attempt by the government of Thunderstraat to infringe upon the rights of its minority citizens.

"He who chases dragons becomes one himself" Nietsche

The Federation will condemn any attempt by the government of Thunderstraat to infringe upon the rights of its minority citizens.

"He who chases dragons becomes one himself" Nietsche

Cute.

The Federation will condemn any attempt by the government of Thunderstraat to infringe upon the rights of its minority citizens.

"He who chases dragons becomes one himself" Nietsche

Cute.

But correct.

And I fail to see how it applies to the situation. Condeming others for violating the rights of their citizens does not necessarily lead one to the path of being a tyrant.

kinda funny, but atheism is a faith, because although there is no (worldly) proof of God, there is no proof against Him. :lol:

kinda funny, but atheism is a faith, because although there is no (worldly) proof of God, there is no proof against Him. :lol:

Incorrect. According to the rules of logic, you cannot offer proof of a negative... you can only prove a positive. Thus, the burden of proof lies on those that affirm the existence of a god.

And I fail to see how it applies to the situation. Condeming others for violating the rights of their citizens does not necessarily lead one to the path of being a tyrant.

Repressive states need outside issues (read enemies) to remove the spotlight from important issues. If atheists keep their irreligious views to their own circles, the zealotry of religious states may be calmed. It seems that the stalinist hitlerian era of atheists surpressing religionists as part of statist policy, caused this religious backwash. I would suggest letting each country determine its own path. Eventually a balance is arrived at. If you feel a nation is unfair try diplomatic means before relying on the ruse of dictators who claim war as a cure-all for depressed economies and societies. By presenting a shining example of a model civilization, and remembering the rights of individuals, those in lands ruled by tyrants will eventually seek the rights of individuals to be respected. Trade is the doorway to the fulfillment of interaction between peoples, and the elevation and exchange of ideas.
When in power atheists were no better than catholics, they have both left a conspicuous trail of blood upon the path of history.

Archangel - Vormanland

Note that not once did the Federation call for armed intervention against the nations persecuting their atheists. In fact, we offered a safe haven for those oppressed people so that they can live free and without fear. Pardon the pun, but you are either preaching to the choir or confusing my nation's statements of diplomatic condemnation with the call to war other nations raised. One must also remember the story of the German priest from World War II. He kept silent when the Nazis came and took people away... when they came for him, there was no one to speak up in his defense.

It is good to see you again Galadnia. Let us put our past war behind us; we have a common goal here. The Atheist Empire of Packilvania will NOT stand for anyone being oppressed like this. Packilvania has opened its boarders to all fleeing atheists. As your spies can surely report ***see my country page*** Packilvania is preparing for war. You WILL let the atheists live free, however else you wish to rule your land is up to you.


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All are being mobilized. The space vehicles will not be used unless another space faring nation becomes aggressive.

[quote="Autonomous City-states"]Note that not once did the Federation call for armed intervention against the nations persecuting their atheists. In fact, we offered a safe haven for those oppressed people so that they can live free and without fear. Pardon the pun, but you are either preaching to the choir or confusing my nation's statements of diplomatic condemnation with the call to war other nations raised. One must also remember the story of the German priest from World War II. He kept silent when the Nazis came and took people away... when they came for him, there was no one to speak up in his defense.[/quote

We were remembering the blood stained path of the catholics if you recalled, oh, and by the way who was that priest? We are happy to see you are accepting atheists, we'll see if we have any, and send them on a state sponsored trip to your burgeoning capitalist paradise, to see if they like it there.

Tread carefully Vormanland. You do not yet hold much say in the world. You would make a great colony of mine.

I do not remember the name of the priest, off hand.

Now i dont think its fair picking on him cause he doesnt like them. My country hates atheist's and people would pretty much kill them if it wasnt for the loyal police force that gets them and deports them to some random country that allows atheist's. And i don't think war is the answer for something like this right off the bat. Plus have you seen him kill or harm the Atheist's in any way?

I do not wish war upon anyone. My people have relized that for true intelligence, there can be no god/gods. We wish only for ALL people to live free from the fear of being killed or harmed for expressing their beliefs.

Swabischen will not tolerate this indignity from the democunism of packilvania! We will execute any non-Christians who refuse to be deported, and if need be we will go to war to retain our sovereignty. We are currently activating a large string of alliances in light of the escalating
situation, and the Holy Crusade of the Willing will not be taken lightly!

Emperor Kristoffer IV, and Reichskanzeller Herrman vonBulow

The Empire cannot take this lightly. If it is a war you want, then it is a war you will have! Packilvania leaves this area to Galadnia and Autonomous states. Swabischen and Packilvania are at war!

***OOC***Go to the other forum thread. I want a serious war and I won't use my larger size against you to much.***

my nation consists of everything. who cares for religion if we all just get along and live how we feel. freedom is the true way to live, not religion or non religion. 8)

Comdidia would like to pledge any kind of aid to Packilvania if they need. We see no reason for the killing of innocent people because of something like religion.

ooc note- Packilvania add non-christians and athiests to your reasons makes it look better.

South Prussia will not tolerate this! We are sending Military aid to help Swabischen!

ooc***go to the other thread to war***

I will free all the oppressed peoples in need. Troops are being mobilzed to fight South prussia as well.

The Empire of Kernia will not stand by and watch this attrocity! We pledge troops to support Swabischen!

***ooc***unless you are going to post in the other thread i have declared victory due to no participation.***ooc***


We welcome any challenge.

Tread carefully Vormanland. You do not yet hold much say in the world. You would make a great colony of mine.

Well, if you'd like to fry your fish on wood chips and then melt cheese on the fish, you'd see great merit in the colonization of Vormanland. Like the swiss all of our peace loving people are trained in the use of weapons, it is manditory for each man woman and child of five years to learn the use of firearms coupled with progressive guerilla warfare training.
We believe it better for you to leave us to fry our own fish and go about your personal business. As the old childs rime goes, sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. Our words are but the truth, and a facist regime like yours is too bothered by the freedom of speech and the propagation of intelligence to allow such trifles to exist.
I call upon the world, to renounce the military logic of facism, which history has taught is pointless and destructive to all humanity. If the vile Pachiderm forces invade us, will the world have a conscience?

Our freedom fighters will prevail over all oppressors. We call out to the civilized nations of the world in a campaign to rid the world of oppressors the likes of Pachilvania, destroy the Pachiderms before they destroy us all.

TO: Earth Press
FROM: The Star Empire of Thunderstraat
SUBJ: Atheism
BODY:
We have noticed the intense action of the Earth press and newspapers against the recent policy change in Thunderstraat, and, indeed, we all laughed at Pravda's caricature of our Prime Minister, but we beg you to stop overreacting. We are not slaughtering atheists. We are not deporting them or sending them to concentration camps. As cultists, they are of course socially deprived, and this isolation has in fact made believers of the cultists in record time, but the government does not oppress them. We just don't give them big cathedrals. Surely you can see the difference.
South Prussia's and Swabischen's help is readily accepted, but, as you may have seen from our other government actions and of course the source of this signal, we are our own world. The STAR Empire of Thunderstraat appreciates their allies but does not like primitives waving sticks at them.