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For the past 5 years, two thousand Artitsan special operations troopers have been undergoing rigerous training 6 hours a day, 7 days a week. Not much is revealed about the programme, but one recruit stated he had to stay under water for 5 days breathing through a hose for oxygen. They course is designed to tear away any and all emotions from the special operations soldiers, and create fierce fighting machines. They have all gone through martial arts and are considered to be masters in close quarters fighting. In several displays by the soldiers, they used their fists to break through 10 blocks of brick - succesfully. Where western nations focus their training on silence and subtly, Artitsa has focused on raw strength. That isn't to say they are not stealthy at all, but it will be put bluntly: Those who slow down the group are to be shot.

The Special Ops force is extremely well equiped, their standard rifle being the Bieta Spetsnaz AK-47 pictured here:

http://www2t.biglobe.ne.jp/~ohige/tsuhan/marui/electric_gun/b_spetsnaz_eg_01.jpg
http://www.shermansurvival.com/novedades02/maruispeznasgrande.jpg

Another weapon used is the Bizon II submachine gun pictured here in the arms of one of our trained specialists:

http://members.shaw.ca/spetsnazmod/gfx/bizon_assaulter.jpg

The standard sidearm for all forces, is the CZ-99 automatic pistol. All members where a flak jacket in the field, with trauma plates. The Trauma plates are actually plates of Diamond purchased from a forign nation.
Here are some photo's of the specialists during a presentation to new iniates as to what they shall learn:

http://www.versii.com/image/spetsnaz.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38396000/jpg/_38396061_tough_ap150.jpg
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166a.jpg
http://www.nato.int/sfor/humanitarian/russians-day/phot3.jpg
http://gecko.gc.maricopa.edu/clubs/russian/Chronicles/2002/systema_Spetsnaz.gif

ooc: Any questions or comments? I still need a name for these bad-boys!

ooc: Found more pics

More images from inside the training camps:
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166c.jpg
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166d.jpg
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166e.jpg
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166f.jpg
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166g.jpg
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/sb02081f.jpghttp://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/159/p08a/sb02081h.jpghttp://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/133/p12a/sb02121a.jpghttp://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/133/p12a/sb02121d.jpg

(sorry for the mass amount of pics, but their just SO cool!)

OOC Sorry to say it, but diamond is EXTREMELY brittle, and would NOT make a good trauma plate. You would be better off with ceramics as they absorb force better instead of shattering completely.

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CFBC Panorama has a documentary about special forces training throughout the world, after showing the fottage from Arrista they presetn a comment from a supposed ex memeber of the Crookfur Special Service Sections, the man isn't shown only a silloette.

"Well while it must be said that these images are highly impressive, they merely show a tiny sub group of what is known as martial arts. Some of the lads really go in for the kung stuff and it can be as impressive as anything, especailly when you see gimpy apes leaping around like hyper active kinds(commnetator's voice: gimpy ape is the Crookfur military slang term for a machine gun operator who generally tend to be considered some how larger than the rest of the squad). it could be argued that this stuff is useful but when it comes right down to it there generally isn't time in combat for anything fancy, we have guys who can do the hong kong duel pistol flying leaps but you will never see them take duel pistols with them. The only turely useful advantage the use of full martial arts can bring you is the ability to centre yourself and keep calm at all times but this ability is soemthing that is mandatory for special forces anyway. if you aren't good enough for spec ops alreay then all the kung fu in the world won't help you."


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On a side note:
Amoungst the Crookfur discrete command units (covers all our true spec ops units inc the special service sections, operations office of Mi6 and various other groups) martial arts have a fairly large following but it mostly tends to be of a personal recreational nature. Most common types are practised but ninjitsu style "karma extentsion" discaplines are favoured.

Of course all the spec ops guys are also really into free running/pakour :)

1. Crookfur you mistake it. All members must train in martial arts. It is nessesary. Its not a matter of recreation. We believe it will not only hone their skills in close combat, but also bring them to a higher state of mind. They punch through concrete and the light to show their martial arts training allows them to shrug off pain, which leads to my nexy point:

2. Sniper Country, you'll need more than one round to kill these men (unless you plan on firing 12.7mm and up.. *shivers*). Of course im exagerating abit, but you must get the point that the martial arts puts them in a higher state of physical... understanding, and they can push their threshold for pain higher. Also, I didn't show many pictures of them firing because people don't want to see men firing guns at a target, what kind of spectical is that?! Of course they can shoot, they've been in intense training for 5 years!

And, finally, Jahagyar, go search for a thread about Diamond plating. Someone created diamond armour which would protect against bullets, much better than a ceramic. How is diamond brittle? :| Forgive me, I am rather tired at this point, but I've never heard of diamond being brittle. Many metals cannot cut through diamond. I've heard stories about it being the hardest rock or whatever on earth. :?

ooc: Thanks for the comments though guys.

Also I forgot to mention. These guys are not an open field special ops team. They are meant for closequarters ship/aircraft/urban fighting where it is cramped and their martial arts does come in handy. They can take out the enemy with a swift kick to the head, without wasting ammunition or causing some noise. The group is basically Anti-Terrorist. There is however, one team which specializes in Artic warfare, as the northern half of Artitsa is artic. They use different weapons than the other team, with longer ranges, more reliability in the cold, and further training. Of course they keep the martial arts, it helps them fight off the cold, as they would basically not feel it. The initation to get into this team, is to sit in a tank of ice water, which is freezing, for an entire day. Mind this is the intiation, not the training - yet. Some casualties due to this are expected, but it is a way to weed out the weak.

Nice pics. :wink: Very militaristic...

Well our discrete command units tend to only select individuals who are already of that sort of level, although many will have gained this level using martial arts but we preffer fully self motivated individuals. Many members of elite teams form training groups and mentor/student teams but in the end it is down to the individual who chooses where to go (with the advice of his peers and superiors to aid him of course).

Outside of a Van dam or Seagal film martial arts can't make that much of a difference and even with body armor keeping on your after being hit by a decent round (ie anything other than 5.56mm NATO) is unlikely as most of your internal organs will be soup...

On diamond armor, the only truely viable one was attica's tank armor which fully adresses the brittlity of diamond (it is hard but since it is so hard it will shatter when hit by a high power round rahter than absorbing the impact in the way steel can as diamond has no "give"). a thin layer mixed in a with a decent other material might help but it still takes a lot more than that to stop decent rounds.

Well our discrete command units tend to only select individuals who are already of that sort of level, although many will have gained this level using martial arts but we preffer fully self motivated individuals. Many members of elite teams form training groups and mentor/student teams but in the end it is down to the individual who chooses where to go (with the advice of his peers and superiors to aid him of course).

Outside of a Van dam or Seagal film martial arts can't make that much of a difference and even with body armor keeping on your after being hit by a decent round (ie anything other than 5.56mm NATO) is unlikely as most of your internal organs will be soup...

On diamond armor, the only truely viable one was attica's tank armor which fully adresses the brittlity of diamond (it is hard but since it is so hard it will shatter when hit by a high power round rahter than absorbing the impact in the way steel can as diamond has no "give"). a thin layer mixed in a with a decent other material might help but it still takes a lot more than that to stop decent rounds.

Im still trying to remember who it was who sold it. It was a huge thread, and it was finally after being proven that it was better than ceramites. Im still looking for it though, lol. Might have been deleted... lord I hope not. If it was Im going to have to use somethin else.

On the note of forced Martial arts: Its forced in a way yes, but if your not willing to learn it, your not willing to keep your team mates alive in the field. The pictures I showed were of actual spetsnaz, and *apparently* they can have a large cement brick, on fire, broken on their back, with a sledgehammer, while being suspended in the air, not suffer any injuries. Plus the martial arts is damn impressive, and you never know when you might have to use it, da? Included in the martial arts is disarming techniques, and the such. Could come in handy when raiding terrorists?

And finally. If you look at the bottom picture, with the man on the truck. That is a spetsnaz (artitsan spec op *shifty eyes*) showing how to hijack a truck whilst its moving. They are actually, in real life, taught how to do this. I thought it was pretty neat.

Im not saying they are best of the best or anything because of the training I said, I merely state that their training is noticibly more strict/intensive.

OOC feel free to look it up, diamond is EXTREMELY brittle. you would end up getting about a billion diamond pebbles in your vest after the first bullet, which by the way, likely wouldnt be stopped, and from then on the bullets would pass through as if there wasnt anything in there but sand.

(http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/section/States_of_Matter_and_Energy/Really_Really_Really_Cold/20020828104206.htm)

When I find that thread, we'll see! (damnable forums)

For now, until I can find that thread, they'll use ceramics.

Also, any suggestions on the name of the unit?

How about "White guys", no offense but that has to be the single largest collection of pastey men in the world. (excluding the UK :P )

How about "White guys", no offense but that has to be the single largest collection of pastey men in the world. (excluding the UK :P )

Well... they ARE russian.

Well... they ARE russian.

...But they are just...luminescent. I mean no offense to anyone pale like that its just...scary to me.

When I find that thread, we'll see! (damnable forums)

For now, until I can find that thread, they'll use ceramics.

Also, any suggestions on the name of the unit?

173rd Death Adders

How about "White guys", no offense but that has to be the single largest collection of pastey men in the world. (excluding the UK :P )
lmao

When I find that thread, we'll see! (damnable forums)

For now, until I can find that thread, they'll use ceramics.

Also, any suggestions on the name of the unit?

173rd Death Adders

Death Adders... I like the name. I like it very much. I also need a "Official Acroynm" Like S.E.A.L. or SAS, and so on.

SO-DeAd

Artitsan (S)pecial (O)perations-(de)ath (ad)ders

Make them think. That means throw them into unpredictable situations and rig the odds against them.

We have physical and martial arts training also (sanshou, Islandian sariya, and Jing Quan Dao, used by the Chinese national forces), but we put a lot more emphasis on how they apply it.

thanks, its being considered.

tip:

never let them go back to being civilians or if so have really good serial murder investigators because they will be devoid of all humantiy (not hat this is a bad thing in the military) and they wont be able to turn off the killing.

tip:

never let them go back to being civilians or if so have really good serial murder investigators because they will be devoid of all humantiy (not hat this is a bad thing in the military) and they wont be able to turn off the killing.

By any chance did you watch the Hunted with Tommy LeeJones... lol. I know, Im aware of that :P But thanks for the tip UE

ugh, you are an idiot, they are humans just as you and me and they CAN turn of their killing instinct.

And finally. If you look at the bottom picture, with the man on the truck. That is a spetsnaz (artitsan spec op *shifty eyes*) showing how to hijack a truck whilst its moving. They are actually, in real life, taught how to do this. I thought it was pretty neat.


I thought he was being hit by it lol :lol:

tip:

never let them go back to being civilians or if so have really good serial murder investigators because they will be devoid of all humantiy (not hat this is a bad thing in the military) and they wont be able to turn off the killing.

By any chance did you watch the Hunted with Tommy LeeJones... lol. I know, Im aware of that :P But thanks for the tip UE

yes, damn funny when you see the guys training (in a messed up sort of way)

tip:

never let them go back to being civilians or if so have really good serial murder investigators because they will be devoid of all humantiy (not hat this is a bad thing in the military) and they wont be able to turn off the killing.

By any chance did you watch the Hunted with Tommy LeeJones... lol. I know, Im aware of that :P But thanks for the tip UE

yes, damn funny when you see the guys training (in a messed up sort of way)

Yeah, they don't even flinch :? Its kinda scary actually.

o btw, what style(s) are they doing? It looks like Muay Thai (that roundhouse seems nasty) and a lttl Systema (Spetznaz' favorite) and the kung fu (breaking the boards and hard things and the horse stance punching).

Well from the first picture I think u could call them B.A.T.S.

Basic Anti-Terrorism Squad
or
Battleforce of Advanced Tactical Soldiers

Thats a pretty good name too JS