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JF-20 Low RCS Multirole Fighter for Sale.

30-11-2003, 14:04
Please note:
Dealer and manufacturer (production) rights are reserved to Geforce4 and Dark terror only!
Thank you for your understanding.©
JF stands for Joint-Fighter

Upon customer request, the JF-20 can be fitted with Western weapons such as the Vulcan cannon, AIM-120 AMRAAM, AGM-65 Maverick, etc.

The aircraft has been developed in a 50-50 partnership with Dark terror's defence ministry, the BDIA, to meet a Bisonic frontal multi-role-fighter requirement, with a naval version (JF-20K) developed to meet the needs of a new plane for the Forcien and Bisonic Navies capable of performing both attack and air superiority missions. The aircraft has easily demonstrated manoeuvres yet to be emulated by any western aircraft.

Switchblade Wing Design
The wings are attached to its fuselage (body) at a pivot point toward the back of the plane. When the wings are fully extended, the plane can fly slowly to drop bombs precisely on their targets or land on short runways. When the wings are swept farther forward, the aircraft takes advantage of the maneuverability that forward-swept wings offer, and becomes an agile fighter. When the wings are swept fully forward, the trailing edge of the wing becomes the leading edge, and the aircraft turns into a delta shape perfect for dashing away at speeds up to Mach 3.
Armament
http://www.mach3graphics.com/misc%20graphics/jpg/SU-34%20ready.jpg
The JF-20 can carry up to 16 air-to-air missiles and up to 10000kg of ordnance. The fourteen external hardpoints can carry air-to-air missiles, air-to-surface missiles, bombs, rockets and an ECM (electronic countermeasures) pod. The aircraft is fitted with one Gsh-301 30mm gun with a maximum rate of fire of 1,500 rounds per minute.
The aircraft can be equipped with Vympel R-73E short-range air-to-air missiles with infrared terminal homing and RVV-AE long-range air-to-air missiles with active radar guidance. R-73E (NATO codename AA-11 Archer) is an all-aspect, close-combat missile capable of engaging targets in tail-chase or head-on mode at altitudes between 0.02 and 20km, and target g-load to 12g. The Vympel RVV-AE (AA-12 Adder) air-to-air missile, also known as the RR-77, can intercept targets at speeds up to 3,600kph and altitudes from 0.02 to 25km.
The Su-37 can be fitted with air-to-surface missiles such as the Kh-25 (AS-12 Kegler) short-range missile and Kh-29 (AS-14 Kedge) with a 317kg penetrating warhead, as well as air-launched versions of missiles such as the P-800 Yakhont (SS-N-26), Uran (SS-N-25 Switchblade), and Klub (SS-N-27), among others.
Sensors

Zhuk Multipurpose Radar
Range 175 miles. Can identify 60 targets and simultaneous track 30 target flying below
200ft while flying at 20,000ft.
E.S.M.: Radar detector, enables vehicle to detect other radars passively
Multi-target:
Can lock on and fire at up to 4 targets simultaneously with AA-13 missiles
V. A. S.: Amplify camera that allows targeting on fighter sized objects out to 30 miles
Targeting Laser/ Verifying Laser:
Used to target with laser guided weapons and to fly without using radar low to the ground
at night
the weapons management system, electronic warfare system and the Zhuk
radar work as one, giving the pilot unprecedented situation awareness.
Zhuk successfully detects air targets, manufactured with the use of "stealth" technology


The Zhuk radar is designed for air-superiority and strike operations and features a low observable, active aperture, electronically-scanned array with multi-target, all-weather capability.

The radar is key to the JF-20's integrated avionics and sensor capabilities. It will provide pilots with detailed information about multiple threats before the adversary's radar ever detects the JF-20. This is also called BVR, or Beyond Visual Range capability.

There are also systems for terrain-following and terrain-avoidance, mapping and multichannel employment of guided weapons

There is also a rear-looking NIIP NO-12 radar and optronic fire-control and surveillance system

Engines:
http://www.digikitten.com/playhousev2/files/pixelmonkey/zaengine.jpg
it uses Mach-3 G-50FU Pulse detonation engines for propulsion
the G-50FU pulse detonation engines are similar in size to modern turbojets (a bit smaller) but are more efficient because detonations create higher pressures and travel faster than turbojet combustion. This means more power, higher efficiency.

The 3-dimensional nozzle vectors thrust 20 degrees up down left and right for improved aircraft agility. This vectoring increases the roll rate of the aircraft by 50 percent and has features that contribute to the aircraft stealth requirements.
Heat-resistant components give the nozzles the durability needed to vector thrust, even in afterburner conditions.
With precision digital controls, the nozzles work like another aircraft flight control surface. Thrust vectoring is an integrated part of the Za-34's flight control system, which allows for seamless integration of all components working in response to pilot commands.

the G-50FU engines also feature:

Integrally bladed rotors: In most stages, disks and blades are made from a single piece of metal for better performance and less air leakage.

Long chord, shroud less fan blades: Wider, stronger fan blades eliminate the need for the shroud, a ring of metal around most jet engine fans. Both the wider blades and shroud less design contribute to engine efficiency.

Low-aspect, high-stage-load compressor blades: Once again, wider blades offer greater strength and efficiency.

Alloy C high-strength burn-resistant titanium compressor stators: innovative titanium alloy increases stator durability, allowing the engine to run hotter and faster for greater thrust and efficiency.

Alloy C in augmentor and nozzle: The same heat-resistant titanium alloy protects aft components, permitting greater thrust and durability.

Floatwall combustor: Thermally isolated panels of oxidation-resistant high cobalt material make the combustion chamber more durable, which helps reduce scheduled maintenance.

Fifth-generation full-authority digital electronic engine control (FADEC): Dual-redundant digital engine controls - two units per engine, two computers per unit - ensure unmatched reliability in engine control systems. The same experience that introduced full-authority digital control to fighter engines works with the aircraft system to make engine and aircraft function as a single flight unit.

No visible smoke: Reduces the possibility of an enemy visually detecting the JF-20.

Improved Supportability: All components, harnesses, and plumbing are located on the bottom of the engine for easy access, all line replaceable units (LRUs) are located one deep (units are not located on top of one another), and each LRU can be removed with just one of the six standard tools required for engine maintenance.

the JF-20 is a joint development between Dark terror and geforce4 of a new generation multi-role fighter.
The aircraft is being developed in a 50-50 partnership with Dark terror's defence ministry, to meet bisonic and forican naval multi-role-fighter requirements.

Please note:
Dealer and manufacturer (production) rights are reserved to Geforce4 and dark terror only!
Thank you for your understanding.


Cockpit:
http://www.digikitten.com/playhousev2/files/pixelmonkey/zacockpit.gif

The JF-20 features a side-stick controller in addition to two throttles that are the aircraft's primary flight controls. Located on the right console, the GEC-built stick also serves as a swing-out, adjustable arm rest. The stick is force sensitive and has a throw of only about one-quarter of an inch. The throttles are located on the left console.

During air combat, both the stick and the throttles are high-use controls . To support pilot functional requirements, the grips include buttons and switches (that are both shape and texture coded) to control more than 60 different time-critical functions. The buttons are used to control the offensive (weapons targeting and release) and defensive systems, (although some, like chaff and flares, can operate both automatically and manually) as well as display management.

The Heads Up Display or (HUD) server as the primary flight instrument for the pilot. It will have a viewable area of 30 degrees horizontally and 25 degrees vertically. Developed by the Air Force Instrument Flight Center, the GEC HUD will use standard symbology and be 4.5 inches in height. Unlike the HDD's, the GEC HUD will not be in color. However, the symbology will be exactly the same as the Head Down Displays. As a shock absorber from bird strikes, the windshield will be protected by a rubber buffer strip placed on the HUD combiner glass. During initial bird strike tests, the HUD would routinely shatter. Precautions were taken at all costs to avoid this from happening. The buffer strip would shield the polycarbonate glass by allowing it to flex during a strike. Design is underway for a collapsible HUD that would fall but not break. In addition, the JF-20 design also features a sort of laminate that eliminate glass from shattering in the cockpit.

The Integrated Control Panel (ICP) will be the main location where the pilot can manually input data for communications, autopilot and navigation. The ICP will be located below the HUD, underneath the glare shield and in the center top of the instrument panel. Additionally, the ICP will have "double click" features which are similar to a PC mouse in functionality. The double click feature will allow the pilot to input data more rapidly. Six Liquid crystal color displays will be housed in the cockpit. The LCD's will be fully readable in direct sunlight. Notable improvements of LCD's when compared to the older generation displays of CRT's are a lower weight, less size and a lower power consumption. The LCD's are inherently more reliable because of the lower power consumption. Two Up Front Display's (UFD)'s are located to the left and right of the ICP. They measure 3x4 inches. The primary function of the UFD's are to provide the pilot with cautionary information/warning/advisory, data communications/navigation/identification (CNI)data and act as the serve as the Stand-by Flight instrumentation Group and Fuel Quantity Indicator. A maximum of 12 messages can appear on the UFD's at any given time, and remaining faults can be indexed as sub pages.

http://www.mach3graphics.com/misc%20graphics/jpg/SU-30%20climb.jpg
http://www.mach3graphics.com/misc%20graphics/jpg/SU-30%20over%20Baikal.jpg
http://www.mach3graphics.com/misc%20graphics/jpg/SU-30MKK%20low%20level.jpg
http://www.mach3graphics.com/misc%20graphics/jpg/SU-34%20attack.jpg
Prices:
JF-20: $50 mil
JF-20K Naval Variant: $51 mil
30-11-2003, 16:17
bump
30-11-2003, 16:21
do you sell prod. rights or not?
30-11-2003, 16:25
do you sell prod. rights or not?
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative7.jpg
Jeruselem
30-11-2003, 16:25
do you sell prod. rights or not?

1st four lines of 1st post

Please note:
Dealer and manufacturer (production) rights are reserved to Geforce4 and Dark terror only!
Thank you for your understanding.©
30-11-2003, 16:52
glad i posted as my puppet :shock:
30-11-2003, 17:24
Well invade the next person asking for prod rights!
Oh, and bump!
Arribastan
30-11-2003, 17:34
OOC:oh. well then, none for me :shock:
Artitsa
30-11-2003, 18:12
I'll take 240 of these planes, naval versions. *cough*canIhaveproductionrights?*/cough*
30-11-2003, 18:13
Confirmed, AND NO DAMN PROD RIGHTS SOLD!
Artitsa
30-11-2003, 18:13
who said anything about production rights? *cough*
Arribastan
30-11-2003, 18:14
1,000 of them, i guess
30-11-2003, 18:15
1,000 of them, i guess
confirmed.
Arribastan
30-11-2003, 18:16
*money wired*
Artitsa
30-11-2003, 18:19
Um... yeah I noticed the other plane was deleted.. so I'll take 1200
30-11-2003, 18:20
Um... yeah I noticed the other plane was deleted.. so I'll take 1200Huh?
Confirmed.
30-11-2003, 18:22
Um... yeah I noticed the other plane was deleted.. so I'll take 1200Huh?
Confirmed.


i already made similar plane for artitsa but it got deleted for unkown reason.
Kazakhstania
30-11-2003, 18:25
4 please.

For my new front oline fighter project developmetn process:D

May even use them for my next MRF.
30-11-2003, 18:27
4 please.

For my new front oline fighter project developmetn process:D

May even use them for my next MRF.Reverse Engineering is stritcly prohibited.

Consider this your one and only warning. Next time, you will be beaten into the ground.
Omz222
30-11-2003, 18:28
We would like to have 12 land versions for test and evaluation. We would require them to be compatible with Western munitions. However, we would still like to require them to be able to fire Russian anti-ship missiles.

If we see them fit, we will contact you later.
Kazakhstania
30-11-2003, 18:29
4 please.

For my new front oline fighter project developmetn process:D

May even use them for my next MRF.Reverse Engineering is stritcly prohibited.

Consider this your one and only warning. Next time, you will be beaten into the ground.

No, we arent to going to change them, or tamper with them in any way.

Just study their flight profiles, weapons systems and the like, and see what it compares like to our own fighter. We will use them in fake dogfights and the like. Just study, my friend.
30-11-2003, 18:30
We would like to have 12 land versions for test and evaluation. We would require them to be compatible with Western munitions. However, we would still like to require them to be able to fire Russian anti-ship missiles.

If we see them fit, we will contact you later.
Confirmed, the modifications will be done before delievery.
30-11-2003, 18:30
4 please.

For my new front oline fighter project developmetn process:D

May even use them for my next MRF.Reverse Engineering is stritcly prohibited.

Consider this your one and only warning. Next time, you will be beaten into the ground.

No, we arent to going to change them, or tamper with them in any way.

Just study their flight profiles, weapons systems and the like, and see what it compares like to our own fighter. We will use them in fake dogfights and the like. Just study, my friend.
And copy them?
Kazakhstania
30-11-2003, 18:31
4 please.

For my new front oline fighter project developmetn process:D

May even use them for my next MRF.Reverse Engineering is stritcly prohibited.

Consider this your one and only warning. Next time, you will be beaten into the ground.

No, we arent to going to change them, or tamper with them in any way.

Just study their flight profiles, weapons systems and the like, and see what it compares like to our own fighter. We will use them in fake dogfights and the like. Just study, my friend.
And copy them?

No, just compare them.

We mgiht be amkiing a Su-37-alike sometime later, but all our planes use our own systems, radars and weapons systems. And we could not possible mimic them totally.
Arribastan
30-11-2003, 18:32
OOC:Geforce4, you're killing my plans to own production rights to everything on NS. :(
Kazakhstania
30-11-2003, 18:33
OOC:Geforce4, you're killing my plans to own production rights to everything on NS. :(

We noticed. Its getting annoying now. Thats why i turend you down last time.
Omz222
30-11-2003, 18:33
We would like to have 12 land versions for test and evaluation. We would require them to be compatible with Western munitions. However, we would still like to require them to be able to fire Russian anti-ship missiles.

If we see them fit, we will contact you later.
Confirmed, the modifications will be done before delievery.

Money wired. We'd perfer to pickup them ourselves.
30-11-2003, 18:35
OOC:Geforce4, you're killing my plans to own production rights to everything on NS. :(

i might give you prod rights for my za-41 and my helis if you want.
30-11-2003, 18:35
Alright, they will be ready in a few NS days.
Kzakahstania- then confirmed, but if you do copy them, lets say youll experience gulag life first-hand.
Arribastan
30-11-2003, 18:35
really? i'd pay good money. can i see the threads?
Lost Hills
30-11-2003, 18:50
We'll take 20 land-based ones.

Total: $1,000,000,000

Money wired upon confirmation.
30-11-2003, 18:53
Confirmed.
30-11-2003, 19:02
really? i'd pay good money. can i see the threads?

Za-41 Advanced Strike Fighter http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91166 AEW&CS and air to air refuelling aircraft http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87610 New Generation helicopters Storefront http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89694
30-11-2003, 19:02
really? i'd pay good money. can i see the threads?

Za-41 Advanced Strike Fighter http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91166 AEW&CS and air to air refuelling aircraft http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87610 New Generation helicopters Storefront http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89694
Arribastan
30-11-2003, 19:04
I want prod rights for each helicopter, the Za-41, and the Ezh-444MCA
30-11-2003, 19:05
I want prod rights for each helicopter, the Za-41, and the Ezh-444MCA


3 mil for the za-41, 2 bil for each heli and 5 bil for ezh-444MCA, and NO SELLING RIGHTS.
Arribastan
30-11-2003, 19:07
got it. i never would sell someone else's designs. *money wired*
30-11-2003, 19:08
got it. i never would sell someone else's designs. *money wired*

confirmed.
Omz222
30-11-2003, 19:14
I want prod rights for each helicopter, the Za-41, and the Ezh-444MCA


3 mil for the za-41, 2 bil for each heli and 5 bil for ezh-444MCA, and NO SELLING RIGHTS.
Is it possible for us to obtain the domestic production rights for the KL-77? We find these to be great potental to replace our aging Black hawks, but we'd rather to mass produce them cheaper later.

We would not give the plans away, not give/sell any of the produced KL-77s away.
30-11-2003, 19:15
I want prod rights for each helicopter, the Za-41, and the Ezh-444MCA


3 mil for the za-41, 2 bil for each heli and 5 bil for ezh-444MCA, and NO SELLING RIGHTS.
Is it possible for us to obtain the domestic production rights for the KL-77? We find these to be great potental to replace our aging Black hawks, but we'd rather to mass produce them cheaper later.

We would not give the plans away, not give/sell any of the produced KL-77s away.


sure, wire the money and confirmed.
Omz222
30-11-2003, 19:16
Money wired, thank you for business.
30-11-2003, 20:14
K, prod rights sent.
30-11-2003, 22:57
bump
Kazakhstania
30-11-2003, 23:08
Alright, they will be ready in a few NS days.
Kzakahstania- then confirmed, but if you do copy them, lets say youll experience gulag life first-hand.

*Money Wired*
30-11-2003, 23:23
Alright, they will be ready in a few NS days.
Kzakahstania- then confirmed, but if you do copy them, lets say youll experience gulag life first-hand.

*Money Wired*
Being sent, oh and tommorow or on Tuesday well have an IFV that can paste your CV9040 copy.
30-11-2003, 23:28
We require 250 Naval Variants to expand both of our Carrier Groups with newer fighters.
30-11-2003, 23:30
We require 250 Naval Variants to expand both of our Carrier Groups with newer fighters.Confirmed.
Jaxusism
30-11-2003, 23:37
Ill take 1000 non-naval and 1000 naval. Total price :

$101,000,000,000

Money wired upon confirmation.
30-11-2003, 23:40
Confirmed.
01-12-2003, 00:31
bump
Krostovia
01-12-2003, 01:15
Krostovia would like 1200 of these.

*money wired*
Krostovia
01-12-2003, 01:15
Krostovia would like 1200 of these.

*money wired*
01-12-2003, 01:28
Confirmed.
Havock
01-12-2003, 01:33
Ill take 1,000
*money wired*
01-12-2003, 01:59
Confirmed.
Andrehervia
01-12-2003, 12:56
The Andrehervian military would like to buy:

100 JF-20 Low RCS Multirole Fighters.

Total cost: AH£5,000,000,000.

Money will be wired upon confirmation of delivery.
01-12-2003, 12:57
The Andrehervian military would like to buy:

100 JF-20 Low RCS Multirole Fighters.

Total cost: AH£5,000,000,000.

Money will be wired upon confirmation of delivery.


confirmed.
01-12-2003, 13:15
Does anyone have there own tanks and planes ?
I mean that all the countries have the same tanks and planes this days.
01-12-2003, 13:18
Does anyone have there own tanks and planes ?
I mean that all the countries have the same tanks and planes this days.


Dark terror and i use our own designs.
The Exetonian Imperium
01-12-2003, 13:29
His Divine Majesty would like to purchase 300 of these fine aircraft, to use in the defense of peace, justice and legitimacy throughout the world.

The money will be wired on confirmation

Grand Fleet Admiral Paul von Tirpitz, His Majesties Minister for War
01-12-2003, 13:31
His Divine Majesty would like to purchase 300 of these fine aircraft, to use in the defense of peace, justice and legitimacy throughout the world.

The money will be wired on confirmation

Grand Fleet Admiral Paul von Tirpitz, His Majesties Minister for War


Confirmed.
The Exetonian Imperium
01-12-2003, 13:32
money wired
01-12-2003, 21:15
bump
01-12-2003, 21:46
can i have 1 please.
01-12-2003, 21:47
can i have 1 please. :D
01-12-2003, 21:47
can i have 1 please. :D
01-12-2003, 21:50
can i have 50 please. :D
Arribastan
01-12-2003, 21:57
OOC:Geforce4 and DT, where do you guys find those great pics for the KL-77 and the HI-58? they look really cool. is it a program or a site?
01-12-2003, 22:00
kill VIll- confirmed.
OOC:
Arribastan- we aint telling!
CoreWorlds
01-12-2003, 22:04
Let's see...
We would like
100 JF-20s: 5 billion credits wired
100 JF-20K Naval Variant: 5.1 billion wired
10.1 billion wired in total.
CoreWorlds
01-12-2003, 22:06
OOC: And I hate not getting prod rights! Arms production is our fourth largest industry, after the first three!
01-12-2003, 22:19
Let's see...
We would like
100 JF-20s: 5 billion credits wired
100 JF-20K Naval Variant: 5.1 billion wired
10.1 billion wired in total.
Confirmed.
CoreWorlds
01-12-2003, 22:35
Thank you! When shall we expect the shipment to arrive?
01-12-2003, 22:49
Thank you! When shall we expect the shipment to arrive?
Few NS months.
03-12-2003, 16:55
bump up my post
Kazakhstania
03-12-2003, 16:59
JF-20 after testing:

http://www.jimsladesairlines.com/images/su27crash%20copy.gif

Due to bad metal fatigue in the air frame, caused by poor manufacturing.
03-12-2003, 17:01
JF-20 after testing:

http://www.jimsladesairlines.com/images/su27crash%20copy.gif

Due to bad metal fatigue in the air frame, caused by poor manufacturing.



thats not jf-20, thats a Su-27. :D
Kazakhstania
03-12-2003, 17:02
JF-20 after testing:

http://www.jimsladesairlines.com/images/su27crash%20copy.gif

Due to bad metal fatigue in the air frame, caused by poor manufacturing.



thats not jf-20, thats a Su-27. :D

Hye well, theya re pretty identical

Never really seen that pic before though. Just returning the favour.
03-12-2003, 18:02
I would like to buy 4 JF-20K Naval Variant from you. money would be wired on delivery. Thankyou
03-12-2003, 18:24
I would like to buy 4 JF-20K Naval Variant from you. money would be wired on delivery. Thankyou

confirmed.
03-12-2003, 18:46
I would like to buy a lot of them but I will get back to you on how many.
03-12-2003, 18:48
I would like to buy a lot of them but I will get back to you on how many.

sure thing, expect 5% discount :wink:
03-12-2003, 19:02
We request 20 of this fighters, fully outfitted with AA-12, Mavericks, ECM jamming pods, and other assortments.
In addition, I will pay $100 million for my top pilots to be trained in these aircraft by your own forces.
03-12-2003, 19:04
We request 20 of this fighters, fully outfitted with AA-12, Mavericks, ECM jamming pods, and other assortments.
In addition, I will pay $100 million for my top pilots to be trained in these aircraft by your own forces.



we got a deal, new generation jamming pods and other assortments will be added, along with aa-12 mavericks etc.. for 100 million, and another 100 million for the training.
03-12-2003, 19:14
Pleasure doing business.
I need delivery by the 18th.
03-12-2003, 19:21
Pleasure doing business.
I need delivery by the 18th.


no problem, you will get them in less then one NS month.

something about the new jamming suit:

The MSP-418K Omul electronic jamming unit, in two containers, was designed by the TsNIRTI institute for the JF-20 . The Omul is operated within the G-J-band range using digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) technology. The container's weight is 150kg and its dimensions are 230 x 225 x 3,800mm.

it Covers +-120 deg in azimuth, +-60 deg in elevation.
03-12-2003, 20:37
bump
Kazakhstania
03-12-2003, 20:41
JF-20 after testing:

http://www.jimsladesairlines.com/images/su27crash%20copy.gif

Due to bad metal fatigue in the air frame, caused by poor manufacturing.

Sorry, last time.
03-12-2003, 20:46
Sorry, last time.


you shall pay for this. :P
03-12-2003, 21:05
The Kingdom of West Bromwich will take 50 of these planes, how much will that cost?
03-12-2003, 21:05
The Kingdom of West Bromwich will take 50 of these planes, how much will that cost?
04-12-2003, 16:10
The Kingdom of West Bromwich will take 50 of these planes, how much will that cost?



2.5 bil.
17-12-2003, 20:42
bump
Western Cactuaria
18-12-2003, 02:53
I'll take 25. Total cost 1,250,000,000

*Money Wired*
18-12-2003, 03:14
Confirmed.
Intelligent Neighbors
19-01-2004, 17:28
Could I purchase 20 of these planes?
And have all the pilots trained?

$1,000,000,000 + $100,000,000 (pilots) = $1,100,000,000

*wired*

Thanks,
FIN
20-01-2004, 00:45
Confirmed.
Havock
07-02-2004, 19:30
Havock will order 1000 JF-20's.

this comes to 12.5 billion

*Money wired*

For the fight against Spain :D
07-02-2004, 20:07
Confirmed.