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The lack of diplomatic etiquete shown by many nations is staggering! Democracies who supposedly show how great they are by judging character and stereotyping because they bielive they are right find themselves running for daddy becuase they are threatened. Is this a suprise? Am I supposed to just bow down to democracy because they bielive it's best? Good and evil are in the eyes of the beholder. They say Im becoming unfair and revert to childish "you cant do that" politics after I tell them that no allies will help them because they will be under penalty of nuclear war. Do they now see the fragility of sudo-supremacy as their allies walk away saying "it wasnt me!"? Do they also see the fragility of diplomacy? Or do they still not understand. They will. Politicians are not what they used to be. Neither is the UN. Region crashing is but UN drivel. It carries no real power. Power lies in strength and force of will. Hopefully you will see that standing on a podium of democracy does not grant you higher status among the dead and dying that you provoked through the crusade to push democracy on others by force.

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Beautifully said. Socialists, communists, fundamentalists, and corporate fascists have been put down under the boot of democracy for too long. What they also refuse to understand, is that without the counterparts, there could be NO democracy.

That if you want me to be a democracy you will have to make me by force

Keam will add that the forcing a nation to adapt democracy is unjust and unlawful.

*Claps*

I couldn't have said it better myself, yet for some reason I find myself reversing my ideals and hiding behind the figure head of the UN, the UN is nothing more than a puppet for the Capitalizt crusade upon the masses. Besides, not all nations can be about flowers and happy things.

You realize what this means, my friends. We should unite in a common Anti-Democratic union. Socialists, fascists, fundamentalists. Coming down to it, we all suffer the passive aggressive ways of democracy. We should unite for the common belief of being our own rulers, not compliant with what is "right" by democratic standards.

*Claps*

I couldn't have said it better myself, yet for some reason I find myself reversing my ideals and hiding behind the figure head of the UN, the UN is nothing more than a puppet for the Capitalizt crusade upon the masses. Besides, not all nations can be about flowers and happy things. Mines about death and destruction oddly enough everyone thinks its a great place to live...........i got some stupid allies i think. And remember just because i have elections doesn't mean the people are the ones voting for the leader thats been in power for over thirty years.

Y'know, back in my day NS was really great, we didnt have any democrats, republicans, nazis, communists, dictators, jews, cows (Sorry HB), chimps, furrballs, or chimps. Not to mention the lack of republicans and democrats. Boy those guys get on my nerves, 'Oh, George Bush is SATAN! HE is Satan because he supports Jesus! We hate religion!' 'George Bush is God! All shall bow to the Bushiness of Bush! FWAHAHAHA! If you dont bow, we will invade U!'
Yeah, these are the days. In any case, in the old days, when Bill Clintons goat walked across Kobe Bryants lawn and Monica Lewinski had oral sex with the French judge at the Olympics I was watching TV, and this guy says 'Do the Dew!', now I figured this was some kind of drug, because he said to 'Do it', so I called the TV station and demanded to know what in the flipping chimps of North Ireland they were doing advertising some sort of meth-addict soda, and they told me that it had been around a while, and that I needed to get a life. After this I called my lawyer and asked him if I had grounds for a lawsuite, he said 'im sorry, im having oral sex with Monica, call back in...three minutes.' and hung up, so then I called my uncle Bob, and he said 'Dang sure sonny boy! Ill sue them thar yanks to chinaland and back! Just you watch!'
At this point Uncle Bob got his shotgun and went on a downtown rampage, killing several chickens before he was eaten by a small dog. I was deeply saddened that such a humerous man should die, so I sued the small dog, he pleaded 'bark', whateever the hell that is, and the judge let him off on grounds of 'mental incopitence' or something, and I was pissed, so I killed it.
After this its owner sued me for 'cruetly to animals' and I asked why the dog got off eating my uncle bob, the owner said that it didnt, it just licked him and he shot himself, and I said 'No he didnt!' and ate the owner, and the dog.
The judge had me sent to a mental asylum at this point, where I ate some more people and got addicted to morphine, and was sad. So, I went back to that TV station, and sued mountain dew for getting me addicted to morphene, through indirect coagulation or someting.
After a while I got out of the asylum, and became Rush Limbough for a few days, this made me angry and sad though, and I was addicted to anti-deppresants, so I quit, and some other guy replaced me, I think he was the real one, or something.
Anyway, I went on a murder rampage eighteen years in the past, became a dinosaur, and sued God for creating the meteor that killed me.
God didnt show at the court, and the judge let him off because he was a superior being and the judge didnt want to get smited, which is crap, and shows what a great state the american legal system is in, letting the rich guys off all the time.
Finnaly, I ate the world, and got indigestion.
The end.

Here, here. Down with these democratic fools, they have held power far to long. They seem unable to wrap their minds around the fact that my people are happy even though it is not a democracy. Why is that so hard to understand? If anyone does form an anti-democracy alliance I'll be the first to join (if it does not require changing regions and does not go against Arda :roll: )

Throw old hurt feelings aside, throw economic mindsets aside! The falicy of democracy is that they are the quint assential hypocrits. They scream Nazi when they see my nation, and therefor go on to condem me. They hate me for supposedly hating. If they condem hating and bielive in the freedome of all, theyd do best to stay out of my buisness.

OOC: I'm about to have an election in my country, please come vote in the sham.

Hutu, I do enjoy your mindset! Never expect too much from your people. Ignorance seems to be a politicians best friend. Ignorance is in bloom perpetualy, if in the form of denial.

We as nations have the right to enforce what ever type of government that we whant no matter if is socialist, communist, monrch, democracy ect. ect. ect. I say we form a league to keep our country's government the way we want it.

I've started a perpetual alliance between all of us who differ from democracy. See the thread titled "Anti-Democratic Union: Come Non-Democracies". Your support will be appreciated.

Beautifully said. Socialists, communists, fundamentalists, and corporate fascists have been put down under the boot of democracy for too long. What they also refuse to understand, is that without the counterparts, there could be NO democracy.

At the risk of being the sole dissident voice in this discussion, I would like to take a moment to point out that it is entirely possible and indeed desirable to have a socialist democracy. For that matter, true communism (as opposed to dictatorships under the flag of communism) is utterly democratic in nature. As for fundamentalists and fascists? That's the wonderful thing about a democratic model: If you truly have that vast a problem with the extant regime? You have a say. Fix it.

Furthermore, some of the earliest models of government, prior to theocracy, before the invention of socialism, and LONG before communism and fascism (the new kids on the political scene), were Greek city-states, wherein the populace would come together in the city square to debate and decide on policy and courses of action: True democracy at its root, similar in concept if not in execution to the way Haven Two is run.

All that said, if you are referring to nations which impose a specific political model on others by force, this is no more democracy than the USSR was communism. This is flat-out anti-democratic imperialism; democracy, by its very definition, cannot be imposed by force.

I ordor yu al too becum demacresies or i wil kil yu.

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my feelings on it, i think it is the peoples choice on what they are. Basically people will vote for their Dictatorship, or communism, or democrasism

Haven Two, your comments are wonderful to read, and dream about, however they lack the final ingrediant, and thats REALITY. Do you know whay communism eats itself away? Beacuae people are corrupt! The only way for communism to work is if everyone was as reituous as god is of himself. You also fail to mention the crippling diesiese that affects democracies of all types, both conservative and liberal, thats beurocracy. Democracy is so slowed by thick bands of beurocracy that nothing gets done or fullfilled.

This will not fade, it will surface again, to some a glimmer of light, to others a sore to try to hide or heal. You decide which.

This issue has surfaced many times i say that the right of dictatorship should be gained anyway nessessary and because the boycott of the Union it is with my pleasure that anything that Keam sells members of the Union gets 20 percent off. Also note that Keam has boycotted all trade with Kildom and all of his allies, if he has any.

The truth is I care not, and its a beutiful truth. As long as you stay out of my buisness, and my way, ill endorse whatever form of government your people decide will crush them down best. It matters not to me, and it shouldnt matter to anyone else. rediculous democratic ideologies will lead this world to a nuclear anhilation, not descent among the races.

While the esteemed ambassador from Germany is long on words, it would seem he is short on facts. I admit, your theories look pretty, sir, but I would point out some fundamental holes in your logic, ones large enough to sail a construction ship through.

One: Do you know which side of the debate you are on? At one moment, you are defending the "rights" of communist states with thinly-veiled threats of force; the next you are claiming communism is impossible.

Two: Democratic systems have huge bureaucratic overhead? Haven Two's government consists almost entirely of the foreign relations department - traders and the small but growing diplomatic corps - and maintenance personnel to keep the systems of the islands running smoothly. There is a group of directors who organize the establishment of new colonies and see to it that long-term developmental goals are accomplished, but that is it. We are one of the most overhead-light governments on the planet. We are also more accurately labelled a "democracy" than nearly any other nation on this planet. Every citizen is given the opportunity to vote on every issue that comes before us. Please establish facts before you further expose your ignorance, sir.

Anyone have an aircraft carrier i can buy for cheap I only got 3 million or so I can spend.

rediculous democratic ideologies will lead this world to a nuclear anhilation, not descent among the races.

Your ignorance (of basic grammar as well as of others' ideologies) is showing.

(OOC: Haven Two, your little world is merely a figment of your immagination, as is Das Uber-Deutschland. Again, you forget reality my friend)

It would seem im long winded, and you are deff minded, because I have made it clear I dont care if your a communist, or for that matter a democracy. I only care that you stay out of my and other nations buisness! I will not be a hypocrite and say you are wrong, however, I bielive these democratic states have gone too far in their "crusades" against other governments. It must end, and it will end. Every action has consequences. Leave us be and stay out of our way, or your people will suffer! Perhaps youve never heard this, but a popular saying in Das Uber-Deutschland is "through brutality we win our peace". Being oppressive is a sin that man will make forever, its in our nature, but the use of hypocracy as a pulpit for reituous bielifs is the ultimate sin.

(ooc. Oh, poo poo to the grammer geek. Good lord, I hope you dont think that will gain you respect? Everyone hates the forum grammer geeks).

Man Heaven 2 that whole grammer thing is bad. It was almost as bad as Kildom's boycott idea

(OOC: Not sure what this is all about, but Das Uber-Deutschland, I'm still a little confused as to what exactly happened with that region crash. Who got the password and how?)

(OOC: Haven Two, your little world is merely a figment of your immagination, as is Das Uber-Deutschland. Again, you forget reality my friend)

(OOC: Ah, but one of us has hard data to back up his statements. I can give you real-world information on every bit of Haven Two, including the systems that make the form of government I spoke of possible.)

Perhaps youve never heard this, but a popular saying in Das Uber-Deutschland is "through brutality we win our peace". Being oppressive is a sin that man will make forever, its in our nature, but the use of hypocracy as a pulpit for reituous bielifs is the ultimate sin.

And here in Haven Two, we believe firmly that violence and threats are the tactics of a desperate fool. Oppressive systems are not a result of some deep-rooted nature of man, but a byproduct of the massively dysfunctional socioeconomic systems that the vast majority of the world surrounds itself with. How is your crusade - your openly-declared violent crusade - against democracy any better than any other nation acting in its favour?

Becasue I never claimed to be a democracy. Do not turn this around, democracies started these chain of events, not I. If you do not admit the follies that man makes, you live in denial, much as I suspected. What was it I said, oh yes, deomoracies tend to enjoy living a lie. The supremacy you try to feed your people will only work against you when they are coming home by the plane full in plastic bags. They will riot, and your nation doesnt have the will to put them down, to put the survival of your nation first. You will let rediculous people with rediculous claims hold you back from action. If you do stop these rallies and do violence upon your people, you wont be quite the democracy you said you were now will you? You lose either way. So is the folly of democracy.

Unlike some petty dictatorships, Haven Two does not believe in - in fact, can not - fighting a war its people do not support.