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LDD-48
Class: Destroyer
Crew: 100 naval personal, 20 officers, 1 or more captins
On-Board troops:150 navy seals
Length: 300m
Height: 110m
Width: 65m
Armor:
below water level:
Front: .6m
Side: .8m
Rear:.6m

Above water:
Front: .5m
Side: .6m
Rear: .5m

Power:1 nuclearer reacotor
Speed:42+ Knots

Weapons:
1 180mm turret
20 SLBM launchers
8 AA launchers
30 .50 caliber machine guns
6 on deck torpedo tubes

Craft:
2 S&R ships
2 boarding ships
4 landing ships
1 Helicopter pad

Price:800million

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SAC-508
Class:Aircraft carrier
Crew: 1,200 naval personal,100 officers, 4 or more captins, 1 admirals
On-Board troops: 3,000 Navy seals
Pilots:up to 200 pilots or more
Length: 500m
Height: 150m
Width: 80m
Armor:
Below water level:
Front: 2m
Side: 3m
Rear: 2m

Above water level:
Front: 1.5m
Side: 2m
Rear: 1.5m

Power:
4 fusion reactors
Speed:38+Knots

Weapons:
14 AA launchers
6 50mm AA guns

Aircraft:
95 fighters
10 heavy bombers
10 helicopters

On board craft:
6 S&R ships
6 boarding ships
16 landing ships

Price:6 billion dollars


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SAC-568
Class: super aircraft carrier
Crew: 4,500 naval personal,300 officers, 4 or more captins, 1 or more admirals
On board troops: 4,000 Navy seals
Length: 800m
Height: 90m
Width: 100m
Armor:
Below sea level:
Front: 4m
Side: 5m
Rear: 4.5m

Above sea level:
Front: 4m
Side: 5m
Rear: 4.5m

Power:
6 fusion reactors
Speed:31+Knots

Weapons:
40 AA launchers
16 50mm AA guns

Aircraft:
125 fighters
20 heavy bombers
25 helicopters

On board craft:
10 S&R ships
10 boarding ships
26 landing ships

Price:10billion


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(There are some diffrences between the specs and model)
SB-48 Floating Forttress
Class:Battleship
Crew:4,000
On board troops:3,000
Length: 1600m
Height:180m
Width:160m
Armor:
Below sea level:
Front: 5m
Side: 6m
Rear: 5.5m

Above sea level:
Front: 4.5m
Side: 5.5m
Rear: 4.5m

Power:
8 fusion reactors
Speed: 34+Knots

Weapons:
18 24 inch guns spred out on six turrets
16 4 inch turrets
14 SLBM launchers
12 AA misile launchers
8 88mm AA guns
18 66mm two barrel machine gun turrets
18 on board torpedo launchers

Craft:
10 landing ships
4 boarding boats
4 S&R boats

Price:5billion

Naval Fighters:
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F-35AE
Class: Naval fighter/bomber
Crew: 1
Length:20m
Wing span:14m
Height:3.8m
Speed:Mach 3.8

Weapons:
External:
1 28mm cannon- in front
2 AIM-9 sidewinders
4 AIM-54G Phoenix II-Range of 350Miles
4 AGM-88 HARM
2 AGM-158 JASSM

Internal bay:
2 AIM-7 Sparrow
4 AGM-88 HARM


Also be fitted with bombs and other sorts of missiles.

Price:40million

We would like to purchase ten, if you are able to supply that many. We will wire the money when we get a reply.

The Imperial Navy of the Allied States of Greater Deztrikav is interested in purchasing this destroyer. We have the money, if you don't believe me, look below. But we are wondering if you would be willing to settle at a price of 700 million, as Greater Deztrikav is a small, new nation and cannot afford huge expenditures. We will pay on the delivery of the destroyer.

Out of curiousity, when you sell or buy something, do you add or subtract that much from your budget? (I told you I was new at this.)

Greater Deztrikav Gross Domestic Product

Population: 6,000,000
Civil Rights: Very Good
Economy: Strong
GDP per Capita: $12,500
GDP: $75,000,000,000
National Budget: $20,231,100,000

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 10%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 37.07%
Military Budget: $7,500,000,000

Enough for:
241 F-15Es, or...
375 Su-34s, or...
398 F-16s, or...
681 MiG 29s, or...
1,744 M1A2 Abrams, or...
2,500 T-90s, or...
12,798,634 M-16s, or...
25,000,000 AK47s

Sorry i cant sell you it for 700 million, but what i can do is make a deal with you. How about you pay the 700 million now and the rest of the 100 million you pay over a time of ten years or sooner if you wish. Over the ten years you would pay me 10million each year. How does that sound?



I gues you could subtract it from your current money but you most likly just regain it the next year. Also im talking about NS years, some people use 1 RL day= 1 NS year. Like what i use.

We would like to purchase ten, if you are able to supply that many. We will wire the money when we get a reply.
Comfirm, order is being prepared and sent.

10 please.

10 please.

OOC: 1 Day = 1 NS year is the most n00bish thing that can be done. I run on a 24 days = 1 NS year system, though anything about 12 is much better than 1 day = 1 NS year. That's such a pathetic way to increase your military.

24 days = 1 NS year? Your crazy.

OOC:I'm not saying everyone needs to follow that. That's just what I personally follow. It doesn't hinder me in the least.

OOC: 1 Day = 1 NS year is the most n00bish thing that can be done. I run on a 24 days = 1 NS year system, though anything about 12 is much better than 1 day = 1 NS year. That's such a pathetic way to increase your military.

I agree with Flame. 1 NS year = 1 RL day is indeed a n00bish way to try and raise a military faster than you should. Everyone who thinks that policy is fine should go into the archive and read the thread about it by The Slaglands. I myself use 21 days = 1 NS year, though I see no problem as long as people are using around 12 days minimum.

OOC: Nano wanna explain how a carrier 400 feet longer than the Nimitz can operate with 10% of the just ships crew and no crew for the airwing? Not to mention the fact that it carries more planes without the crew to man them/work on them/fuel them/or arm them?

10 please.
Of the destroyers im guesing because i just added the aircraft carrier. Well ships will be on the way! Just wire the money.



Eternal FIame you probaly just insulted a whole ton of countries off what you said. Also please take this somewhere else, this is a store not a debate.

OOC: No answer then?

OOC: Nano wanna explain how a carrier 400 feet longer than the Nimitz can operate with 10% of the just ships crew and no crew for the airwing? Not to mention the fact that it carries more planes without the crew to man them/work on them/fuel them/or arm them?
About 80-90% of the ship is runned of computers, but i frogot to add something. :oops:

Sordina would like 10 carriers, which comes to $20 billion.

*Money wired*

Comfirm, order will take 2 NS mounths to make and ship.

OOC: So in other words 4 hours Nano? That's definetly a good system to run off of :: Double thumbs up+ giant grin::

Sorry i cant sell you it for 700 million, but what i can do is make a deal with you. How about you pay the 700 million now and the rest of the 100 million you pay over a time of ten years or sooner if you wish. Over the ten years you would pay me 10million each year. How does that sound?


Actually, come to think of it, thats probably more trouble than its worth. I'll pay the 800 million up front. When can I expect the Destroyer? I'll give you the money then.

ooc-That brings up another thing. I know I must seem real stupid, but this is my first purchase. People always say "ill wire the money to you". Is there an official way to do that? Or do you just say, "money wired" and subtract the money from ur own country, then give it to the seller's?

OOC: Just say money wired and then subtract that amount from your yearly budget. ( Don't do 1 day = 1 NS year)

Greater Deztrikav you order is comfirm and the ship is sent. So it is sailing there now because it is already made.


Eternal FIame i dont know if it is going to take 4 hours to make a ships because it also depends on the other persons rate of speed. Also I thought about what you use, and i gues i will use that to. Since im already in the year 2112 I dont think i have to go really fast.

OOC: Where do the smaller boats launch from on the Destroy and Carrier? Also I still say the Carrier is undermanned in crew and overmanned in SEALs. Even if most of the ship is computer Operated you still need people to cook food, trouble shoot problems, fuel the planes, arm the planes, make repairs, and a whole host of other jobs. 400 just doesn't cut it.

ooc-thank you for that useful tidbit of information. I'm slowly getting adjusted to NationStates

Greater Deztrikav you order is comfirm and the ship is sent. So it is sailing there now because it is already made.

The Imperial Navy of Greater Deztrikav thanks you. Your business is much appreciated
*money wired*

OOC: Where do the smaller boats launch from on the Destroy and Carrier? Also I still say the Carrier is undermanned in crew and overmanned in SEALs. Even if most of the ship is computer Operated you still need people to cook food, trouble shoot problems, fuel the planes, arm the planes, make repairs, and a whole host of other jobs. 400 just doesn't cut it.
OOC:Arming and repairing of aircraft is done by machines. So all the naval personal have to do is basicly look after every thing making sure everything goes well, but if you think so i will have 600 naval personal. Also in the bacl is a small chamber where the boats are. The chamber has six boats inside and the rest are on rollers and roll into the water whene needed. With the destroyer they are droped off the side or already on the side.

BUMP

BUMP

OOC: I'd like to inquire about the technology behind a nuclearer reacotr, must be new for I have never heard of it.

BUMP :)

Watertest would like to purchase the following to increase our Naval flexibility

5 SAC-508 Carriers=$10,000,000,000
2 SAC-568 Super Carriers=$16,000,000,000
________________________________________
Total comes to $26,000,000,000(Money Wired)

Thank You
Ryan Jordan
President of Watertest

Your order is comfimed and will take 6 NS mounths to make and ship. Thank you for your order.

OOC: 18 24" guns eh? Right. 3000 troops? Okay now here's a quick question. Wanna explain how a ship 12 feet longer than the Iowa has that many guns and that many troops when the Iowa has 9 16" guns? Hell the Iowa is wider than yours and it still carries less. Smaller boats launch from where? Even if it was possible to have 18 24" guns, there would be zero room for ammunition. 8 Nuclear Reactors eh? Nuclear Reactors are huge and weigh a helluva lot. With 8 nuclear reactors there would be no room for pretty much anything else.

Stop selling stuff that is impossible.

Ok fixed, your good. I actully like you at my stores, you give good feed back so i can fix things. Anything else wrong?

I'd hate to burst your bubble, but your Carriers are too cheap. I sell present tech naval vessels and the Nimitz cost 3 billion. That would mean that the one that is 2 billion should be closer to 10 and the more expensive one closer to 15. There are some really nice vessels in here, and if i was interested in future tech I might have purchase a ton of these fine ships. Good luck.

Small OOC note: I would like to direct you to this thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=94873)... please do check it out. The nice folks there can help a great deal...

OOC: Your spelling blows btw. Also, go to that link ^ very helpful. Still 18 24" guns is too many/too big

Small OOC note: I would like to direct you to this thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=94873)... please do check it out. The nice folks there can help a great deal...
OOC: Thanks, i never know about that site, well i see some stuff i already have to change but now to tired. Thanks agian! Enternal i have never cared for english, that is my worst subject in school! Im good at science and math by english i do blow! Well i gues i will run it threw word. :oops:

OOC: My bad thought you meant to say feet instead of meters since simply put nobody has a destroyer 900 feet long and a battleship 2100 feet long is BS along with most of the measures. I'm almost positive you meant to have feet and not meters every single time. 16+ feet of side armor? WTF mate? Also, your destroyer is as big as an Iowa and has more armor. It's a DESTROYER not a battleship.

how much are production rights for the SAC-568?

OOC:^You don't want it and you couldn't produce it for a long time. Lemme guess you use 1 day= 1 NS year don't you? So n00bish.

1) If you're future tech (you claim to be in 2112), why are you selling to modern tech nations?
2)There isn't enough room to fit that many weapons on your version of the F-35. This also isn't a problem you can solve by just making it bigger. You're going to need to take some off. Not just some, actually. More like most.
3)I have to question the statistics on your ships, especially your battleship. 5.5 meters of armor? You realize how much that is? Standard thickness on an Iowa is 2' 4", I think. 5.5 meters is 17' 11". I question the ability of a vessel with that much armor to float. If you kept the weight proportional as you increase size, maybe, but as it is your boats would most likely sink like big chunks of lead. Also, 34 knots? Something that big would never be capable of reaching those speeds. Even with the 8 reactors, you have to consider that most of that power is being eaten up by regular ship duties, and the part being converted to engine power is now greater as your ship is huge. Thirdly, your ship is now approximately a mile long. I hope it has fun trying to destroy just about any weapon conceivable that has an accuracy capable of putting it anywhere within a mile of desired target.

Several things have been noted, but I have a few more:

1) SLBMs can't be launched from surface ships (remember, Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile). For a cold launch, which is what's required if you want your ship to survive, it requires far more power to launch ballistic missiles to a safe height in air than water, and the required facilities for this are greater than you could have on a ship, especially if you claim more than one. Remember, you'd essentially need the same missile silos used in ground installations.
2) 34 knots is probably about twice the speed the battleship should have, even with nuclear reactors. Power is not the only limiting factor on speed. Propellor and hull design usually mean more, and your ship is just too big for it to be going more than 20 knots. The size will also hurt it in other ways. It's too big to get into any port, and can't pass through canals. Turning radius is going to be horrid as well.
3) 24 inch guns are huge, and as has been noted, they require a bit. A ship would have to displace over 200,000 tons to hold 18 of them, and it would require a great deal of manpower to operate them. Plus the limitations: 0.5 rounds per minute, only a few dozen rounds per gun (38 of these rounds will take up the same space as 130 16" shells), etc
4) The armor is WAY overboard. A little over 1 meter would be twice that of any RL battleship ever seriously conceived (few have better than 20 inches, or 0.5 meters, anywhere except the turret face).
5) Price is just plain rediculous. A modernized Iowa would go for $3 billion. This should cost in the range of $20 billion, or probably $30 billion

Also, you have to consider inherent problems with a vessel that large. Your boats are now too large to dock at any normal port, and probably can't get very close to shore now, either, with how low they would sit in the water. You're also going to have tremendous problems starting and stopping the ships due to inertia. You know, the whole "An object at rest stays at rest, an object in motion stays in motion." thing.

how much are production rights for the SAC-568?
Sorry those are not being sold.


Every one else other than Eternal FIame BUZZ OFF. I did not ask you so get off my thread and stop HIJACKING IT! I only want ONE person telling me whats wrong so i can fix it! NOT THREE! GET THE POINT?