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You fools will surely collapse for forced equality and pro-communism will only collapse on its self. We, Lucitavia, are a people who have had freendoms and capitolism as our base of life years. We care for our people and contribute to their welfare, and it is foolish to think that capitolism will fall apart by your small war of aggression. The UN and much of the free wolrd will crush you!

Comminque from Rodasnian President-For-Life Jureel Dartan:
"Rodasnia spits on your Democracy!*spits* The best government is one controlled by one person and and one person only! Fool!"
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Arguments will only result in open warfare between your two nations, and the murder of thousands. End this battle of words before it becomes a battle of arms, or face action from Ansteorra.

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Democracy and civil liberty are far greater powers in a nation than the will of one man. All people wish to be free and to have teh civil liberites they choose, for that creates theultimate system of social peace and prosperity.

Now everyone knows a mix of democracy and socialisim is the best concept, extremes never function well.

With your so called "liberties" people are able to express their thoughts against the government. How is that good?

The largest problem in Democracy.. what do you do when your people keep voting into power people who only give them what they want, not what they need? No one wants to pay taxes, but no one is willing to give up whatever program it is they think is most important.

We agree with Terra Alliance. Because protect out civil liberties and provide for thwwelfare of our populace, but we must also shun those who would wish to diminish the very economy that give those civil liberties: Capitolism.

It is not the governments job to decide what the people may need. It is a choice. Political parties and dissent are whatn make many nations great. All humanj have the right to choose what they may, not to have soem one decide for them.

With your so called "liberties" people are able to express their thoughts against the government. How is that good?


It's better than good, it's brilliant. ""IT'S CALLED FREE SPEECH" :o

Democracy BAH Corporate rule is the only way, Democracy is something a bunch of of rich people wanting to run a Nation at lest Corporate rule is run by alot of rich people doin the best for the few.

Free Speech is only a way for the people to rebel against the government. In Rodasnia, anything that questions the governments all encompassing authority is destroyed instantly.

Again, Capitolism mixed with socialism is the best, because people can flourish and have democracy and still be protected by their own civil right. Corporations are beneficial members of society because they supply large amounts of jobs and revenue, but they must be limited because they can harm a society and strip the poor of the welfare needed to protect them.

Corporate people do to line their own pockets,thats why they are rich and the workers poor.

Free Speech is only a way for the people to rebel against the government. In Rodasnia, anything that questions the governments all encompassing authority is destroyed instantly.

It's a pity you have not tried questioning your government then.

There is no such thing as democracy. We got here through capitalism and capitalism only.

A lot of people confuse democracy with capitalism.

A country can be entirely democratic, and entirely socialist if it wants: a government is elected by the people, who then submit all their money to the government.

A country can be totally undemocratic and yet incredibly capitalist: look at China for example. Americans, who generally don't really understand communism, call China a communist state, whereas it's actually given up communism and gone over to capitalism. The massive corrupt government keeps strict control over the people for no other reason than to avoid losing face, but anyone who wants to do business can literally get away with murder if they bribe the right officials. In fact you can't get very far at all in China without bribing somebody.

To continue in a more relevant vein:
Democracy doesn't really exist in the modern world - especially in America. American politics supports a two party system - now that's only one more than in China. Furthermore, the reason these two parties dominate is primarily because of money. They spend millions on advertising, like used car salesmen but with a bigger budget.

It boils down to a popularity contest, and because people are too damn lazy to think, that boils down to people either doing what their TV tells them to do, or voting Dumbass #1 because "I'm a Republican! Yup yup yup!" or Dumbass #2 because "I'm a Democrat! Hyuk hyuk hyuk!"

And even after everyone's through not caring about which idiot gets to act pompous and attract spittle from other countries for the next few years, it's not over yet because the voting machines are all broken and the ballots are counted by innumerate fat chicks in party hats, so loser can demand a recount. And another. And another. Until some guy says "stop!" And whoever has the parcel gets to unwrap it.

In the words of Kent Brockman: "America flips a coin!"

Seriously, what the hell?

In ancient Greece, there was a meeting for every single major decision, and every citizen was expected, under pain of catapult, to attend, debate, and vote.

These days people we don't know make decisions we don't understand about things we don't care about.

You fool to have capitolism you must have democracy!

You fool to have capitolism you must have democracy!

That's clearly not true, as I proved by providing a counter example.

Corporate people do to line their own pockets,thats why they are rich and the workers poor.

not really we may be rich people and the workers poor but they have more then they need to live on.

There is no such thing as democracy. We got here through capitalism and capitalism only.

You got here through a vote. All voting is a democratic process whether you are a capitalist,communist,redneck or whatever.

Free Speech is only a way for the people to rebel against the government. In Rodasnia, anything that questions the governments all encompassing authority is destroyed instantly.

It's a pity you have not tried questioning your government then.

Why would I want to do that? I rule the government!

OOC: My country is the complete opposite of my real life politics. :) Just lettin' you know.

Corporate people do to line their own pockets,thats why they are rich and the workers poor.

not really we may be rich people and the workers poor but they have more then they need to live on.

How do you know that??. Do you pay their bills.??.

OOC: Excellent RP, Rodasnia. :)

Anarabia, I see your point. But without the presence of "democracy," or rather the ability to choose your government's leader, there can only be a breakdown of social welfare and civil liberties.

China only succeeds because thay have a gun to someone's head in a sweat shop. Without the Western need for forced Chinese labor to make retail items much more cheap, the Chinese would have very little to hold onto and would implode. They can not support themselves at all. And China is in no way a capitalist nation, in a capitalist nation there is free market and trade for everyone- meaning anyone can open a business or buy what they please without the government's intervention. Beyond taxes, people can buy and sell what they please in America and Lucitavia. That is capitalism.

Free Speech is only a way for the people to rebel against the government. In Rodasnia, anything that questions the governments all encompassing authority is destroyed instantly.

It's a pity you have not tried questioning your government then.

Why would I want to do that? I rule the government!

OOC: My country is the complete opposite of my real life politics. :) Just lettin' you know.

PRECISELY.

Do'nt worry, I'm only kidding, but its good fun is'nt it. :lol: :lol:

OOC: Indeed 8)

Anarabia, I see your point. But without the presence of "democracy," or rather the ability to choose your government's leader, there can only be a breakdown of social welfare and civil liberties.

China only succeeds because thay have a gun to someone's head in a sweat shop. Without the Western need for forced Chinese labor to make retail items much more cheap, the Chinese would have very little to hold onto and would implode. They can not support themselves at all. And China is in no way a capitalist nation, in a capitalist nation there is free market and trade for everyone- meaning anyone can open a business or buy what they please without the government's intervention. Beyond taxes, people can buy and sell what they please in America and Lucitavia. That is capitalism.

Actually the market in China these days is pretty free. The government is constantly improving market freedoms while ignoring human rights.

I'm not sure I made myself clear: I wasn't saying that I approved of Chinese politics, or that democracy was bad in principle. I was pointing out that capitalism isn't synonymous with democracy.

I was also daying that democracy isn't what the word means: power of the people. It's modern meaning is closer to "power of some easily caricaturably people that we don't really like, and aren't all that smart."

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