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The Ultor Class Super Carrier (SCVN-9)

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The Ultor Class Super Carrier is truely a massive vessel, combining the firepower of an Iowa class battleship, the technology of a modern guided missile destroyer, the versitility of the Wasp LHD And the air power projection of the nimitz class carrier, all in the same package.
It can conduct the invasion of a small nation by itself, without any support!
It has LHD type faciltys for the full marine complement which can embark from the wet docks with hovercraft, APCs and landing boats. A full costal bombardment can be conducted by the massive 16" cannons and the 8" coilguns. Deeper strikes can be made by tomohawk cruise missiles and its complement of combat aircraft. Should it come under fire it has armor around all vital and vunreable systems, but of course it has a full suite of counter measures, and defense weapons including an anti-missile laser and multiple machine guns. A 5inch gun and (3) 25mm chainguns protect against small vessels and terrorist threats. Large vessels can be dealt with by the 8 inch coilguns or the anti-ship missiles located under the flight deck. Also 2 submarines can dock underneath the flightdeck, near the 4 wet docks. The ship can preform sub-tending duties to the docked subs, repairing, resupplying and rearming them.
Propulsion
(6) diesel electric generators
(5) (really small) Nuclear Reactors
(2) Bow thrusters
(2) rotating waterjet thrusters
(3) Large diameter ducted turbines
(2) small ducted turbines
Specs
Cruise Speed: 30 knots sustained
Max Speed: 33.8 knots
Length: in excess of 1,300 feet
Middle Hull Beam: 120 feet
Side hulls Beams: 56 feet
Width overall: roughly 457 feet
Armament
(12) 16" cannons in 4 triple turrets
(4) 8" coilguns in 2 dual turrets
(1) 5" gun in 1 single turret
(4) 20mm Phalanx CIWS w/8 stinger missiles
(2) 30mm Phlanx CIWS w/ 8 stinger missiles
(1) Anti-Missile Laser (THEL)
(3) 25mm chainguns
(60) cell VLS (Tomohawk, SM-2 SAM, Sea Sparrow SAM or Harpoon Anti-ship missiles)
(18] cell missile launcher (Harpoon or penguin anti-ship missiles)
(8] Torpedo tubes (mk46, shkval etc)
Crew/Passengers
Ship Crew: 3,500
Air Wing: 2,700
Marine Detachment: 620 to 800
Other Vehicles: 12 APCs, light tanks or trucks of various type, 6 to 8 hovercraft landing craft, 10 zodiac or simmilar boats, 6 RIB, 2 full size submarines
Aircraft Provision
(6) EM Catapaults
(6) Arrestor Hook Cable Arrays
(4) Large Aircraft elevators
(2) Medium Aircraft elevators
(108) fixed wing or V/STOL aircraft plus
(12) helicopters ( you can reduce number of fixed wing a/c to increase helicopter capacity)
Electronics/ECM Suite
SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
SPS-49(V)5 2-D air search radar
Mk91 Fire Control
AN/SPS-67(V)3 Radar
AN/SPS-64(V)9 Radar
AN/SQS-53C(V) Sonar
AN/SQQ-28(V) LAMPS III
AN/SLQ-25A NIXIE Torpedo Countermeasures
MK 36 MOD 6 Decoy Launching System (6 Launchers)
MK116 MOD 7 Underwater Fire Control System
AN/SWG- I A (V) Harpoon Launcher Control System
AN/SWG-3A TOMAHAWK Weapon Control System

Five for sale, price $7 billion

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cool drawing ill take 2 :)

ill take 1

*money wired*

Confirmed only 2 more left !!
the price is back to 7 billion

Watertest will take the last 2 for 14 billion

$14,000,000,000
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$14,000,000,000

(Money Wired)

Thank You
Ryan Jordan
President of Watertest

Order confirmed, they will be sent out now with a frigate and cargo ship escort.

if any more come up for sale tg me. Or are you planning on selling the plans at any time

Reminds me of a pre-dreadnaught battleship in a way(this is a bad thing, BTW), except that you've gone beyond the mixed armament and given it a little of everything; looks expensive, cumbersome, and difficult to maintain.

Jack of all trades, master of none, as it were.

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http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2210173#2210173

Several problemas with this, no?

First, way too fast, this thing will have trouble pushing 15 knots, it simply cannot push the screws and propellors that fast to move this thing. Second, it isn't very flexible, considering it's armament and such, it can't fit through any canals, and will have to have ports specially built to be able to hold it (It has to be in excess of 130,000 tons). Also, if you want to fire the main guns (The 16'', and probably the 8'' as well), you'll have to spend a lot of time removing all the aircraft from the flight decks. As it stand if those things fire the force will destroy all aircraft on the flight deck it is facing. It's also dangerously low on Anti-aircraft armament, and considering it is pretty much one big hit me sign, that's not a good thing. And it should probably cost closer to 14 billion or so.

Several problemas with this, no?

First, way too fast, this thing will have trouble pushing 15 knots, it simply cannot push the screws and propellors that fast to move this thing.
The trimarian hull desgin is inhernly fast, and there are no screws or propellers, it uses waterjet turbines.

Second, it isn't very flexible, considering it's armament and such, it can't fit through any canals, and will have to have ports specially built to be able to hold it (It has to be in excess of 130,000 tons).
If your werent already aware the Panama canal. has been enlarged in NS and it could fit through the existing suez canal. And it doesnt need special ports, it stays in the water silly.

Also, if you want to fire the main guns (The 16'', and probably the 8'' as well), you'll have to spend a lot of time removing all the aircraft from the flight decks. As it stand if those things fire the force will destroy all aircraft on the flight deck it is facing.
What onearth are you talking about, you obviously are trying to compare this to some type of real life drenaught such as the Iowa class, this vessle can fire its guns in all directions, not just port or starboard.

It's also dangerously low on Anti-aircraft armament, and considering it is pretty much one big hit me sign, that's not a good thing. And it should probably cost closer to 14 billion or so.
It has significantly more anti-aircraft armament than any aircraft carrier and considering it has a full fighter complement, any AA armament would not get much use anyway. And it should cost whatever i tell you it should cost.

Lapse contact Automastan for more ships, he is the only one who will be producing these for now, I have closed the production facility in Antarctica123.

you, my good sir, are a moon.

And you need to Dock the F*cker somewhere, it needs a place to have a drydock session(yes even Nimitz's go into drydock)


and yes even carriers have AA defense.............well you know what sea-skimming missiles are right?

Yes and this has MORE anti-aircraft defense than the nimitz if you care to read sir.

moron*

.......*sighs*

and i said moon not moron :-p



anyway, i never said it had less, i was just arguing with you about needing it.

and you still haven't said anything about construction or dry dock.

If i could show you the port facilities at antarctica123 you would have no questions, but alas i cannot, since they are not real, but trust me when i tell you that shipbuilding, especially on a large scale, is among the top priorites of the Antarctic military, and it would take a vessel twice this size before our ports or shipyard would be overtaxed. But your right it does take up alot of space time and energy to build these ship whcih is why we only built 2 for our navy and 5 for export, this project was mainly by request of Automastan, who required the many diffrent capabilties and i think i was able to satisfy his requirements and stay within reason.

Hmm... let's see. Ok, the design is inheritently fast? What is fast about it, by the looks of it it would drag more water then a normal RL ship does now! I don't know much about water-jet designs, but the sheer amounts of water it would have to push out to propell this seems unimaginable.

And as stated before, ships not only need to drydock, they also need to be able to dock, there are reasons a Nimitz cannot pull into any old harbor, there has to be sufficient depth to fit it's displacement (The amount of water it displaces, you following?), so great, it can fit into your oddly enormous harbors, but what if it breaks down somewhere? Or it needs to dock to take on new crew or something in an allies territory, in order for this thing to get re-crewed or re-stocked, it has to go all the way back home for it. Or it could go with underway replenishment, but that means a ton of supply ships that are waiting targets, not too mention how vulnerable the ship will be during this, and considering it's size, not a great idea. And underway replenishment doesn't cover everything.

About the cannons, hello! It's not just about them firing to starboard or port, things fly all over hell when they fire, and the power that comes out of that cannon, not all of it goes in the direction your firing, if you cared to look at some pictures of RL battleships firing their main guns, you may notice all the water around them have huge depressions, what, you think some kind of magical wave emanates from the battleship? And while the normal decks may handle this enormous power, the flight decks have a lot of things that don't stand up so well, especially the aircraft, which will be heavily damaged.

And what is the point of having guns on this thing anyway? To fire them it has to remove ALL aircraft on it's flight decks, and it has to be within range of something to fire it. There's the other catch, this thing should NEVER go within range of the coast to fire it's guns, it's a huge target, and if it's within range of coastal artillery, well, not much chance of missing (You also failed to provide armor), there is absolutely no need for it to have those main guns, they are useless, the only time it would use them, it would have to go within range of the coast, to go within range of the coast, it has to make sure everything that can fire back at it is destroyed, but wait.... then what the hell is it going to shoot at? See, the main guns aren't needed.

You are right, it does have way more AA then any existing Aircraft Carrier, but that doesn't make it impenetrable. All it takes is one aircraft to dive bomb the things main decks, and boom! not oly have you lost an Aircraft carrier, you've also lost a battleship, a cruiser, and an Anti-aircraft barge. This is the reason using CV's as BB's is a bad idea, CV's cannot have great armor, first the flight deck is never that well armed, a lot of tihngs stick out of it and such, doesn't make for great armor, so anything hitting that (Artillery shells, bombs, missiles) is going to create a really big hole, and your putting this thing in range of those things. The rest of the armor isn't going to be that great either, unless you want to seriously sacrifice a lot of speed.

So, there you have it, this ship is inheritently a really bad idea, it's an Aircraft Carrier that is going to be put in the path of HEAVY fire, it's a battleship that has crap armor and it's main guns have to wait to fire, and it's a missile cruiser that can't fit into any other harbor other then yours to replenish, you should just create all 3 of these seperate, seeing as if you lose one of these, it's not as big as losing one of your ships, since the rest of the taskforce can continue on it's mission.

And about the cost, you just can't create your own cost, these things take money to build, you have to get the resources from somewhere, and it's not just the government building this, it's the shipyard company, and all companies have to make aprofit, so the ship should cost more then it takes to make. And it should cost upwards of 10 billion to make, getting the picture yet?

Can you produce 2 more of these carriers, Credonia will give you $20 Billion for them to cover the labor.

Alot of crap

The coilguns do not produce as much recoil as regular cannons.

Its more of an armored battle ship with 2 flight decks then a aircraft carrier with battle ship guns.

Dive bomb this ship all you want it will never be disabled, dive bombers went out of style with the invention of the steel deck, and the jet engine.

There is plenty of storage for aircraft below decks when firing.

Its guns have a range farther than many anti-ship missiles.

Ships with trimarian hulls are nothing new, and its been shown monohull ships comprable size do not move as fast as triple hulled vessels, even when they use the same or simmilar powerplants.

It can be replinshed by other ships, such as REPLENISHMENT SHIPS

It might not be able to go into drydock in most ports, BUT IT CAN CERTAINLY DOCK WITH SEVERAL EXISTING REAL LIFE PORTS INCULDING NORFOLK VIRGINIA USA.

I am making a profit of neary $700 million on every sale.

Alright Credonia.. BUT NO MORE ORDERS PLEASE.

Thank you.

*Total of $20 Billion wired on confirmation*

confirmed