NationStates Jolt Archive

Government Bored With Bureaucratic Slowdown
By Mike Savoi, SNN web reporter

Wazzu government speaker Manar Tawam today told reporters in Wazzu's weekly press conference that Wazzu is getting tired of the slow movements of the Slagkattunger government.
"Slowdowns and red tape are common ways that bureaucries get what they want." Tawam said, "This is especially true of old and overfunded bureaucries like the Slagkattunger Space Elevator group. No doubt they believe they can Wazzu out. But Wazzu is not willing to budge where the safety of its citizens and the world is at stake."

Tawam went on to threaten the Slagkattunger government with "extreme but peaceful action" if it did not abandon the project quickly. "We have repeatedly offered free help in safer and cheaper alternatives, and we are no longer willing to waste money waiting. The deadline for action is 5 years from now."

While government officials refuse to comment, sources inside the Wazzu Merchant Defence Forces suggest this could have to do with procurement of new frigates bound for Mars. "In five years, the Wazzu will have a total of ten operating new frigates with crews in training." theorizes Petty Officer Jason Wallis, "That will be enough to free up ships from Hermes convoys and should be well before the schedule to turn them over to the M2DF."
Hermes Spacelines officials have refused to confirm or deny this idea.

In the press conference, Manar Tawam also officially broke diplomatic ties with EOTED and held a moment of silence for renouned Wazzu physicist Dr. James Samson.

OOC: In other words, Wazzu is still offering to help Slagkattunger in building a Rail or Gaussian EM accelerator, a Ram accelerator, or possibly something else. But Slagkattunger has 5 days to decide before Wazzu takes matters into its own hands.

Please feel free to discuss....

****Press Release****
"We are not impressed with Wazzu demands, we have told them time and again that we will not stop this project just because they feel that it is unworkable. Our scientist have assured us that this project will work and that Wazzu scientist are trying to shut it down as it would make their planet to space solution look inefficient. Wazzu claims that our bureaucries are old and overfunded but this is not so, we suspect that they claim this because their bureaucries are exactly what they claim ours is.

We have shown a willingness to accept suggestions on how to improve the safety of our Space Elevator, but time and again they have refused to offer any. Instead of compromising like we do they demand an all or nothing approche, just like a bully demanding that we give them what they want or recieve an extreme but peaceful action to our physical being.

Again we must warn you the nation of Wazzu not to approch the Asteroid as any interferance may have a harmful effect on it's orbit. We will not be held responsable for any degregation in orbit caused by your interferance, or any possible damage it might incur as a result of this deteriation of orbit.

Finally we ask again that Wazzu cease these hostile overtones and instead accept the fact we are building this Space Elevator and provide advice on how to maximise the safety aspect of this venture."

****End Press Release****

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Three shuttles a kilometer apart sat on the contractors launch pads awaiting the go ahead for a staggered launch, inside 2 of the shuttles were mining personnel reliving the current group abord the Asteroid. Inside the third was resupplies for the personnel aboard the Heavensent, an aging starship purchased in an auction many years ago from a more advanced civilisation.

The go ahead was given and in 10 minute intervals the shuttles took of successfully for the asteroid.

Celeborne offical document

We are stunned by Wazzu's response to the space elevator issue. We know of at least three other countries that have operating space elevators that have caused no harm. We find that Wazzu basing thier argument on theory when the world has, infact, several working space elevators.

Perhaps the Wazzu scientists need to have a look at the world around them, thier officals might wish to look into this as well.

If Wazzu continues in this vein, even after the solid evidence of working space elevators has been brought to thier atteention, we have no choice but to believe that they are doing this for personal reasons, adn should be condimed for thier actions.

First Speaker

OOC: I've ignored the other space elevators (other then the world tree, which IMO gets "artistic license" for being origional).

Thus, Wazzu has taken a look at the world around it and seen nothing else but this danger.

Not that Wazzu is responding to these responses.

The Crimmond Imperium is rather suprised that this vebture has recieved so much negative feedback. We are also rather suprised that Wazzu would attempt to violate another nation's soverign rights to technical development.

If you do persist in going through with any action against the asteroid... we will have to step in and force you to back down. We know your concerns, we find them laughable. After all, several mining operations on the moons of Jupiter use these same devices and have for decades. I believe even our Mizar province is putting together a plan for a Mars installation.

The technology works. It is the implementaion of said technology that you should be worried about. So far though, we see little risk in this project.

http://home.earthlink.net/~alpha_zero_usm/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/saratov.jpg
Dr. Pavel Saratov
Head of Crimmond Science Council
Quote: "In science, we seek to find answers, but only find new questions."

The Crimmond Imperium is rather suprised that this vebture has recieved so much negative feedback. We are also rather suprised that Wazzu would attempt to violate another nation's soverign rights to technical development.

If you do persist in going through with any action against the asteroid... we will have to step in and force you to back down. We know your concerns, we find them laughable. After all, several mining operations on the moons of Jupiter use these same devices and have for decades. I believe even our Mizar province is putting together a plan for a Mars installation.

The technology works. It is the implementaion of said technology that you should be worried about. So far though, we see little risk in this project.

http://home.earthlink.net/~alpha_zero_usm/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/saratov.jpg
Dr. Pavel Saratov
Head of Crimmond Science Council
Quote: "In science, we seek to find answers, but only find new questions."

OOC: Ok, great. So is that a public announcement or a message directly to some portion of Wazzu? Without knowing that, I can't even decide whether to respond nevertheless how (or with who).

OOC: I didn't direct it at any particular person or branch of government, so it was a public announcement.

OOC: Wewt, Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri :)

OOC: Wewt, Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri :)

OOC: I've ignored the other space elevators (other then the world tree, which IMO gets "artistic license" for being origional).

Thus, Wazzu has taken a look at the world around it and seen nothing else but this danger.

Not that Wazzu is responding to these responses.

OOC: That's piss poor, Wazzu. Selective ignoring...it's the same bastard principles as ignoring a nation's space tech but not the nation itself. You're ignoring other space elevators but not this one? Go one way or the other...ignore them all...or have problems with them all. You're just "picking on" slagkattunger...and it's pathetic

OOC: That is pretty bad wazzu... :?

IC:

.:Official Imperial Message To The Nations of Wazzu and Slagkattunger:.
En Route To Wazzu and Slagkattunger Headquarters

We decline to become involved in Earthly affairs, even under request. While we hold no standing in this, it has become apparent that Wazzu's illfortune direced at Slagkattunger extends beyond the "space elevator." With several in existance already around your planet, it is clear that such things do not present any danger whatsoever. Wazzu's theories have already been proven false from such existance.

In our hearts, we stand with Slagkattunger, but we cannot pledge support for menial issues so far away from our home. However, if Wazzu takes military action, we may be forced to reconsider. Good day.

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Star Empire of Steel Butterfly,
In the Orion Sector which includes:
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII,
Aeisis, Bivens, Esthar VIII
Orion Sector Alliance Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

OOC: I've ignored the other space elevators (other then the world tree, which IMO gets "artistic license" for being origional).

Thus, Wazzu has taken a look at the world around it and seen nothing else but this danger.

Not that Wazzu is responding to these responses.

OOC: That's piss poor, Wazzu. Selective ignoring...it's the same bastard principles as ignoring a nation's space tech but not the nation itself. You're ignoring other space elevators but not this one? Go one way or the other...ignore them all...or have problems with them all. You're just "picking on" slagkattunger...and it's pathetic

OOC: I ignored them because I either didn't get a chance to challenge them, or people ignored what I said and built them anyway (in which the Earth is now a ball of molten rock coverd in atmospheric dust and surrounded by debris...and with absolutely no life).

In essense, I give people a chance not to be ignored by not ignoring me first. If that is "piss poor", then I can only wonder what your RP habbits are.


EDIT:

OOC: I didn't direct it at any particular person or branch of government, so it was a public announcement.

Then Wazzu will not have a response to it. As I've stated before, Wazzu avoids getting into public mudslinging contests. It states its actions, its purposes, and holds to them. Of course, it is open for diplomacy, but diplomacy is typically carried out in a room between diplomats, not on open airwaves between political spinsters and bureaucratic ladder climbers.

But all that is just IC government policy.

Then Wazzu will not have a response to it. As I've stated before, Wazzu avoids getting into public mudslinging contests. It states its actions, its purposes, and holds to them. Of course, it is open for diplomacy, but diplomacy is typically carried out in a room between diplomats, not on open airwaves between political spinsters and bureaucratic ladder climbers.

But all that is just IC government policy.OOC: That's a bad decision... not responding to basicly a challenge set up by the Empire(which are ALWAYS public announcements) is consididered an insult.

A RL government would not take my announcement and just 'not respond'. They would respond in one or two of three ways: 1: Public announcement in response. 2: Private communication. 3: Public request for private communication.

OOC: Well Wazzu? And you're assuming your theories as fact...which they aren't...

Then Wazzu will not have a response to it. As I've stated before, Wazzu avoids getting into public mudslinging contests. It states its actions, its purposes, and holds to them. Of course, it is open for diplomacy, but diplomacy is typically carried out in a room between diplomats, not on open airwaves between political spinsters and bureaucratic ladder climbers.

But all that is just IC government policy.OOC: That's a bad decision... not responding to basicly a challenge set up by the Empire(which are ALWAYS public announcements) is consididered an insult.

A RL government would not take my announcement and just 'not respond'. They would respond in one or two of three ways: 1: Public announcement in response. 2: Private communication. 3: Public request for private communication.

OOC: Thats a good policy when dealing with less advanced or smaller nations. Wazzu is neither. And I won't have Wazzu take IC actions for OOC reasons (namely that you told me it is considered an insult). Crimmond is just as capible of starting or requesting private communication with Wazzu as vice versa.


OOC: Well Wazzu? And you're assuming your theories as fact...which they aren't...

OOC: As people who make elevators assume their theories are fact...which they aren't. This is why Wazzu (in the absense of other elevators as explained above) honestly believes that this is a threat. Wazzu leaders believe they are devending themselves, their nations soverignty, and the rest of the world (not necessarilly in that order).

OOCly/Personally, I have only ever seen one solution that might work, but I am not going to say that because it would be bad RP.

But also OOCly, I give credit for interesting and origional ideas. "Artistic Lcense." So even if Slagkattunger can't come up with the correct physics (with all the help he is getting), he can still come up with something origional, something different. He just needs to put a little thought into it.

And if his government is willing to give up the project, Wazzu really will come in and help him build a cheaper/safer way to orbit.

So thats my answer to "Well Wazzu?"

ooc:- My nation has already stated that it won't give it up and has repeatedly asked your nation govenment publically to offer any suggestions on how to improve it's safety to reduce your fears the fact that your nation govenment hasn't done so publically or privately is making them look bad on the world stage.

And as much as your nation might not want to appear on the world stage they are there & the nations (who bother to read this) are going to be judging them (nation of Wazzu) for their lack of effort to meet the Slagkattungerian Government half way instead of this all or nothing approch (which is not very realistic, since politics is about grey solutions & not black and white solutions).

ooc:- My nation has already stated that it won't give it up and has repeatedly asked your nation govenment publically to offer any suggestions on how to improve it's safety to reduce your fears the fact that your nation govenment hasn't done so publically or privately is making them look bad on the world stage.

And as much as your nation might not want to appear on the world stage they are there & the nations (who bother to read this) are going to be judging them (nation of Wazzu) for their lack of effort to meet the Slagkattungerian Government half way instead of this all or nothing approch (which is not very realistic, since politics is about grey solutions & not black and white solutions).

OOC: Wazzu is on the world stage and realizes it, that is why it will not get into a mudslinging contest.

It hasn't offered any suggestions because it doesn't have any good suggestions. It has not spent money on a bureaucracy to try and save what it sees as a failed project (one that has already sucked up billions if not trillians of dollars). Why waste the funds?

It also does not agree that suggestions on how it might be made safer is "half way." To Wazzu, "half way" is still helping Slagkattunger get to space rather then only stopping the elevator from smashing into the Earth.

Regardless of all this, your OOC arguements are not going to change it's IC policies. As far as it is concerned, 3 years remain until the deadline.

Just an OOC note to Slagkattunger : Just ignore Wazzu as he has selectivly ignored the other elevators, problem solved.

Just an OOC note to Slagkattunger : Just ignore Wazzu as he has selectivly ignored the other elevators, problem solved.

OOC: I've ignored the players who have ignored me first. If Slagkattunger wishes to join players who selectively ignore physics or selectively ignore anything that isn't perfect for their nations, then he is welcome to do so.

But so far, it doesn't look like he is that kind of (bad) RPer.

Wow. This is the first time I've ever seen Wazzu press an issue for this long, despite heavy resistence from all sides. In fact, this is the first time I've seen Wazzu press an issue at all..............perhaps a sign of genuine concern? Offer help despite it not being wanted?

Last OOC post from me , I promise. If Wazzu and I need to discuss this further I would be happy to do it via t-gramms or in the general *eek* forum.

This is addressed to Wazzu

I do not question you roleplaying abilities, you write well and you stay in character, I have nothing but the greatest amount of respect for you as a roleplayer.
I do question what you are doing in this thread, it would appear that you are comming up with a very thin icc excuse to bully a nation into following your ooc beliefs. I understand that you feel that there is to much shady high-tech role playing here, and you are correct. I have all but abbandoned my space tech because A) I am not very good at it B) I do not have the level of understanding neccessary to make it even remotely belieavable and C) I do not care for the style of play that most of the "space nations" participate in. However I do not think that threatening a smaller nation is the way to make people see your point. For that matter I do not even think that anyone should be forced to play your way, my way , or any way other than thier own. If they are not forceing an interaction with you , leave them alome.
Well, I will follow my on advice now and leave you alone. I only came here in the first place because I was invited.
Good luck.

Last OOC post from me , I promise. If Wazzu and I need to discuss this further I would be happy to do it via t-gramms or in the general *eek* forum.

This is addressed to Wazzu

I do not question you roleplaying abilities, you write well and you stay in character, I have nothing but the greatest amount of respect for you as a roleplayer.
I do question what you are doing in this thread, it would appear that you are comming up with a very thin icc excuse to bully a nation into following your ooc beliefs. I understand that you feel that there is to much shady high-tech role playing here, and you are correct. I have all but abbandoned my space tech because A) I am not very good at it B) I do not have the level of understanding neccessary to make it even remotely belieavable and C) I do not care for the style of play that most of the "space nations" participate in. However I do not think that threatening a smaller nation is the way to make people see your point. For that matter I do not even think that anyone should be forced to play your way, my way , or any way other than thier own. If they are not forceing an interaction with you , leave them alome.
Well, I will follow my on advice now and leave you alone. I only came here in the first place because I was invited.
Good luck.

OOC: I understand what you are saying. Let me try and make my own participation clear.

Wazzu does not take IC actions for my OOC reasons.

The space elevator is seen as a threat to Wazzu, and to the world. Simply, Wazzuians see this as the universe's largest ball and chain, ready to smack into Earth and cause global extinction.

I have no OOC reason to bully any nation (other then with use of "The Cardboard Avenger", a semi-IC/OOC character reserved mostly for godmoders). I certainly have no reason to bully Slagkattunger.

Slagkattunger has the option to ignore Wazzu, at which point I'll leave him (her?) alone. But I won't interact with him later either.

The elevator is seen as a threat, and Wazzu is responding to that threat, simple as that (afterall, Wazzu is a nation of corporations looking out after their capital, their investors, and their customers...Earth is an important market...Earth is THE important market).

The Crimmond represenitive stands at the podium, still waiting for Wazzu's response. He looks rather bored. "Ah, screw it." he says and walks off.

An aide walks up. "Uh... what the represenitive meant was..."

****Press Release****
"We are not impressed with Wazzu demands, we have told them time and again that we will not stop this project just because they feel that it is unworkable. Our scientist have assured us that this project will work and that Wazzu scientist are trying to shut it down as it would make their planet to space solution look inefficient. Wazzu claims that our bureaucries are old and overfunded but this is not so, we suspect that they claim this because their bureaucries are exactly what they claim ours is.

We have shown a willingness to accept suggestions on how to improve the safety of our Space Elevator, but time and again they have refused to offer any. Instead of compromising like we do they demand an all or nothing approche, just like a bully demanding that we give them what they want or recieve an extreme but peaceful action to our physical being.

Again we must warn you the nation of Wazzu not to approch the Asteroid as any interferance may have a harmful effect on it's orbit. We will not be held responsable for any degregation in orbit caused by your interferance, or any possible damage it might incur as a result of this deteriation of orbit.

Finally we ask again that Wazzu cease these hostile overtones and instead accept the fact we are building this Space Elevator and provide advice on how to maximise the safety aspect of this venture."

****End Press Release****

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Three shuttles a kilometer apart sat on the contractors launch pads awaiting the go ahead for a staggered launch, inside 2 of the shuttles were mining personnel reliving the current group abord the Asteroid. Inside the third was resupplies for the personnel aboard the Heavensent, an aging starship purchased in an auction many years ago from a more advanced civilisation.

The go ahead was given and in 10 minute intervals the shuttles took of successfully for the asteroid.


ooc:- You do know the balls in your court at the moment?

And this 3 days left thing means what? Cause if you are going to RP anything don't expect a quick response since commintments I on another site (Neverwinter Night multiplayer :P ) are starting to gear up (and life always interferes dammit).

ooc:- You do know the balls in your court at the moment?

And this 3 days left thing means what? Cause if you are going to RP anything don't expect a quick response since commintments I on another site (Neverwinter Night multiplayer :P ) are starting to gear up (and life always interferes dammit).

OOC: Actually, I've already stated several times that Wazzu won't get into a public mudslinging match. As such, it won't respond to that press statement.

I do intend to post an intependent (SNN) news report today on the issue, but that is not a government action.

two and a half years remain for Slagkattunger to either come up with a viable (in Wazzu's eyes) solution, to drop the project and accept Wazzu help on another project, or to simply drop the project. So thats the deadline and the demand.

Wazzu still hasn't stated what will happen after that time, only that it would be "peacefull."

OOC:- Found a site that answers a question you raised Wazzu, its http://www.isr.us/SEHome.asp in the FAQ part are the answers to your questions Which I'm transfering relevent parts here. Now I know my Elevator is a bit bigger but please assume the solution to the problem was found by Slagkattungerian Scientist after 30 + years of research & development.

****Security Communication Package****
Destination: - Wazzu & other World Leaders
Subject: - Slagkattunger Space Elevator Research on potential problems Raised by the nation of Wazzu.

Q: - What about conservation of angular momentum?

Wazzu Problem Raised: - When an elevator ascends the ribbon, it must be accelerated eastward because the Earth's rotation represents a larger eastward velocity the higher you go. The required eastward force on the ascending elevator would have to be provided by a corresponding westward force on the ribbon.

Slagkattunger Answer: - If you go through the math quantitatively, the angular momentum for the climbers requires a pound or so of force over the one-week travel time, and we do that easily with our many tons of material in the anchor and the counterweight.
The quantities really are tiny, but just to be complete, a climber going up pushes the entire elevator slightly to the east, causing it to lean. However, the ribbon recovers for the same reason that it stays up in the first place. Centripetal acceleration is acting on the upper two-thirds pulling it outward, and the lost angular momentum is replaced very quickly (essentially as fast as it is lost). The ribbon will never lose enough angular momentum to even deflect a single degree, let alone fall. The extra angular momentum is stolen from the Earth's rotation.

Q: - For the portion that doesn't burn up in a fall, what effect will it have on the environment?

Slagkattunger Answer: - Honestly, it will make a little bit of a mess. But New York City tickertape parades have made bigger messes. Comparatively it will put much less dust, dirt, debris and chemicals into the environment than wildfires of the American west, any one of the large expendable rockets, or a month of natural meteors hitting Earth. The ribbon is light (7.5 kg/km), so any pieces that fall to earth will slow down, in the air, to about the same terminal velocity as that of an open newspaper page falling. It will not have enough momentum to cause mechanical damage when it comes down. We have considered other health risks such as inhalation of very small fragments and believe this will not be a problem, but we are conducting studies to make sure this isn't a problem. Since we are aware of the possible problems now we can design the elevator to avoid these problems.

***End of Communication Package***

Message from the Wazzu Space Administration to its like-bureaucracy in Slagkattunger.

******

The solutions you pose would completely change your elevator.

For tangential momentum to be gained by the elevator due to centripital acceleration, the ribbon must be taut. A 144,000km ribbon streached only 32,000km long is anything but taut.

The damage estimate is based on a ribbon that is only 1cm thick. Your proposed ribbon is more of a train track, much much thicker. As such, and because of the heat resistance of carbon nanotubes, it would do considerably more damage.

So we must ask, has the actual design of the elevator changed to have a much thinner and smaller ribbon that is taut, or are these figures based on something your elevator will not be?

-WSA Emergency Threat Team

ooc:- :? I keep telling you I am not a scientist or engineer yet your Ic writing shows that you want me to be one. I try to RP my scientist passing on the solution previously and yet you still refuse to accept the Elevator. I say in my previous ooc post that could you please assume the solution to the problem was found by Slagkattungerian Scientist after 30 + years of research & development. But your nation still doesn't accept it, I am getting tired of trying to make this acceptable to you So be it.

IC:-

"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills;we shall never surrender."


***Public Broadcast***

"The Free Nation of Slagkattunger refuses to bow down before the government of Wazzu; Wazzu have constantly refused to accept the reality that we will not stop this project just because their scientist think it is unsafe.

So let it be known that should Wazzu attempt to interfere with this project, they will be considered a threat and action will be taken to counter their interferance. Should they persist we, The free Nation of Slagkattunger will not be held responsable for any degregation in orbit of the Asteroid caused as a result of tying to stop the Nation of Wazzu interferance, or any possible damage it might incur as a result of this deteriation of orbit or in our attemp to stop said interferance.

The Nation of Wazzu refuses to debate this in front of the world for one simple reason....they are afraid their real agenda towards Slagkattunger will be revealed! They are not worried about our space elevator, no! they seek to take our nation as a vassel state! They are just trying to produce a reason to prevent interferance by other nations that may try to put pressure on them, by claiming we a nation less than half their size is a threat to world survival! For all we know the Nation of Wazzu could have Weapons of Mass Destruction above our heads in their spacecrafts.

Many of nation, indeed even the nation of Wazzu claim that Wazzu is a peaceful nation, we think this may just be lie to trick world leaders into letting down their defences. Thereby allowing Wazzu to take nations when it is ready under the pretense of "We wouldn't do this if it wasn't for a good cause." well we are not fooled.

To the leaders of Wazzu, Back off we are not the Hamsters you think we are, but instead we are a nation willing to defend our freedom no matter what the cost!"

***End Transmission***

OOC: Umm, right. Well, it is really simple. In fact, it doesn't require any engineering knowledge at all (though it might help).

You proposed a very thick, train-track like cable 144,000+ kilometers long between here and geostationary orbit (just under 36,000 kilometers up.

The solution you presented was for a very thin (approximately 1cm by 8cm) ribbon that was X-length and went past geostationary orbit, keeping it taut (no slack).

There is a difference between the two. All the WSA team asked is if your changing your plans...if now you plan to build a thin and taut ribbon instead of a thick and slack/loose ribbon.

It is a really simple question to answer, and none of that propaganda did so. Answer the question how you want or not at all at your own risk.

OOC: Umm, right. Well, it is really simple. In fact, it doesn't require any engineering knowledge at all (though it might help).

You proposed a very thick, train-track like cable 144,000+ kilometers long between here and geostationary orbit (just under 36,000 kilometers up.

The solution you presented was for a very thin (approximately 1cm by 8cm) ribbon that was X-length and went past geostationary orbit, keeping it taut (no slack).

There is a difference between the two. All the WSA team asked is if your changing your plans...if now you plan to build a thin and taut ribbon instead of a thick and slack/loose ribbon.

It is a really simple question to answer, and none of that propaganda did so. Answer the question how you want or not at all at your own risk.

ooc:- :oops: I just used the stats given in the original post......can we just agree that its long enough to be taut but not too long? What we have is an asteroid in gyosyninc orbit with a taut cable..I have no idea how long it would be hence the original post was left unaltered from the site which I grab it freom (I was in a hurry that day). If you want you could post in the original thread a more "correct" post of the space elevator, but basically I envision (using near future tech) a lift like object carring people & cargo up/down the lift.

As for that last post...lets just say the Slagkattunger Government finially got sick of human interferance & questioning (which they did).

ooc:- :oops: I just used the stats given in the original post......can we just agree that its long enough to be taut but not too long? What we have is an asteroid in gyosyninc orbit with a taut cable..I have no idea how long it would be hence the original post was left unaltered from the site which I grab it freom (I was in a hurry that day). If you want you could post in the original thread a more "correct" post of the space elevator, but basically I envision (using near future tech) a lift like object carring people & cargo up/down the lift.

As for that last post...lets just say the Slagkattunger Government finially got sick of human interferance & questioning (which they did).

OOC: Quit skipping the question.

Look, it is really really simple. A 144,000+ km long string streached out over 36,000km is NOT TAUT. You can call it taut all you want, but it isnt.

And the hugely thick cable your talking about does NOT fall to the ground like a silken thread.

The question is simple, have you changed the elevator or not?

OOC: Quit skipping the question.

Look, it is really really simple. A 144,000+ km long string streached out over 36,000km is NOT TAUT. You can call it taut all you want, but it isnt.

And the hugely thick cable your talking about does NOT fall to the ground like a silken thread.

The question is simple, have you changed the elevator or not?

ooc:- :? Who skipping the question :?: I said that I had grab the info from a site & that if it was wrong could you provide a more "realistic" length.

As I have often stated..I am not a engineer or a scientist so I do not know the length need to achieve gyosync but the scientist of Slagkattunger would...so please assume it's already at the correct length so no change would be necessary.

OOC: I've ignored the other space elevators (other then the world tree, which IMO gets "artistic license" for being origional).

Thus, Wazzu has taken a look at the world around it and seen nothing else but this danger.

Not that Wazzu is responding to these responses.

OOC: Actually the world tree idea is not original in the least. You should pick up a copy of Larry Niven's Rainbow Mars it uses the same principle. So someone just read that book. Personally I thought it was good, but it didn't catch on and not that many people have read it.

OOC: Quit skipping the question.

Look, it is really really simple. A 144,000+ km long string streached out over 36,000km is NOT TAUT. You can call it taut all you want, but it isnt.

And the hugely thick cable your talking about does NOT fall to the ground like a silken thread.

The question is simple, have you changed the elevator or not?

ooc:- :? Who skipping the question :?: I said that I had grab the info from a site & that if it was wrong could you provide a more "realistic" length.

As I have often stated..I am not a engineer or a scientist so I do not know the length need to achieve gyosync but the scientist of Slagkattunger would...so please assume it's already at the correct length so no change would be necessary.

OOC: You don't need to be a scientist or engineer to understand that a 144,000km long string is longer then 36,000km. You do not have to be a scientist or engineer to understand that that 144,000km long string streached over 36,000km is loose, not taut. You don't have to be a scientist or engineer to understand that a 1cm by 8cm thick/wide "ribbon" is thinner then a several-meter thick cable, or that a thick cable would do more damage when falling from 0-36,000km altitude then the ribbon.

I work with 1st through 5th grade children and they could understand the differences. Your able to read and write/type, your able to use the internet, I expect your math and science skills to be at least at their level.

So continue to ignore the question or take a leap in educational understanding from kindergarten to first grade, your choice. But your nation's project's fate rests on it.

OOC: I've ignored the other space elevators (other then the world tree, which IMO gets "artistic license" for being origional).

Thus, Wazzu has taken a look at the world around it and seen nothing else but this danger.

Not that Wazzu is responding to these responses.

OOC: Actually the world tree idea is not original in the least. You should pick up a copy of Larry Niven's Rainbow Mars it uses the same principle. So someone just read that book. Personally I thought it was good, but it didn't catch on and not that many people have read it.

OOC: Now THAT is interesting. Never read the book myself. But, even if that player did, it is still origional to NS, and different enough from everything else that I would give credit for "artistic license."

Maybe I'll read it someday soon.

ooc:- My decending to insults, I demand that you edit your post and/or apologise before I report you for flaming. I have yet to insult you for your persistance to hold me accountable for your need for realism.

OK the cable is 36,000 km in length therefore it's taut....also in regards to your concern over the cable, it depends where (in between regular maintance checks) the cable breaks. Lets say it breaks at the intersection of the atmosphere and space, long as this is..there are not NS nation within a 360 degree radius of my nation that will be in danger of having this collapse on them. The section in space will remain with the Asteroid, which if nesserary can engage it's emergancy thrusters to pull away from the planet.

Is this satisfactory?

ooc:- My decending to insults, I demand that you edit your post and/or apologise before I report you for flaming. I have yet to insult you for your persistance to hold me accountable for your need for realism.

OK the cable is 36,000 km in length therefore it's taut....also in regards to your concern over the cable, it depends where (in between regular maintance checks) the cable breaks. Lets say it breaks at the intersection of the atmosphere and space, long as this is..there are not NS nation within a 360 degree radius of my nation that will be in danger of having this collapse on them. The section in space will remain with the Asteroid, which if nesserary can engage it's emergancy thrusters to pull away from the planet.

Is this satisfactory?

OOC: I won't appologize or change my post because I don't see it as an insult. I simply stated that even the kids I take care of would understand, and that as an adult, I expected at least their level of education from you. You've certainly shown it in other areas.

In other words, you were holding back and I called you on it. If that is an insult...then go ahead and report me.

Also, you've forgotten, Wazzu can't respond to an OOC comment....

OOC: No offence to any one here, but Wazzu, for heavens sake, just drop this, you are making yourself look like a stuck up a$$. I understand the physis here, the Thelas tower uses the theory that of the tower itself has the ability to bend, and give corectional thrusers allong the side of the tower time a adjust, that the situation will be solved, and that if the tower collapses, that massive explosives will detonate, spitting the tower into smaller less destrucive pieces, not to mention that the capitol, where the star ladder is constructed is on the sea. Boosters on the bottom of the sections of the towers would boost the sections over the ocean, yes there would be several small tidal waves, but the city, and surounding areas would be saved.

Please, give Slagkattunger a break, you really are looking like a over knolegable jerk.

Please note: This was not a flame or meant as an insult.

OOC: No offence to any one here, but Wazzu, for heavens sake, just drop this, you are making yourself look like a stuck up a$$. I understand the physis here, the Thelas tower uses the theory that of the tower itself has the ability to bend, and give corectional thrusers allong the side of the tower time a adjust, that the situation will be solved, and that if the tower collapses, that massive explosives will detonate, spitting the tower into smaller less destrucive pieces, not to mention that the capitol, where the star ladder is constructed is on the sea. Boosters on the bottom of the sections of the towers would boost the sections over the ocean, yes there would be several small tidal waves, but the city, and surounding areas would be saved.

Please, give Slagkattunger a break, you really are looking like a over knolegable jerk.

Please note: This was not a flame or meant as an insult.

OOC: *not taken as an insult*

Twice I wrote up long essays on how I disagree, let me try and say it shortly.

All I am doing is staying in character.

-Wazzu sees this as a threat, so responds.
-Wazzu knows only of one other elevator/tower/whatever, the World Tree.
-Slagkattunger can avoid IC consequences at any time by simply ignoring Wazzu.
-Until then, Wazzu will not, can not act on OOC comments/arguements/posts.

If that makes me look like an ass, well, I must be an ass.


EDIT: Come to think of it, if I were OOCly pissed at poor physics, I would have brought the semiIC/OOC character "The Cardboard Avenger" into this. I would have mocked the attempt then left it alone. I mean, honestly, have you seen me do any serious RP with/against any nation about their "cardboard" topic? This isn't about physics, it is about RP.

ooc:- I have yet to Ignore someone and I won't start with Wazzu, its just poor form as I believe its is only useful when used for blatent & continuous poor RPing by someone.

***Private communication to Wazzu***

It seems that their was a misprint in the official release document on the space elevator. The cable is 36,000 km in length and not 144,000 km as printed therefore it's taut.

Also in regards to your concern over the cable, it depends where (in between regular maintance checks) the cable breaks. Lets say it breaks at the intersection of the atmosphere and space, long as this is..there are not NS nation within a 360 degree radius of Slagkattunger that will be in danger of having this collapse on them. The section in space will remain with the Asteroid, which if nesserary can engage it's emergancy thrusters to pull away from the planet.

Yes there may be some tidal waves as a result, but NS Earth suffers several tidal waves each decade resulting from earthquakes & other natural causes. Also it has been shown to our government that spaceships designed for warfare (such as your's) are quite capable to survive re-entry in a large enough fragment to cause similar havoc.

We hope this will help reduce your concerns over our Space Elevator, also the proof-reading department is now undergoing an internal investigation over their delay in informing us of the error.

***End Communication***

<Bump> ooc:- You going to respond Wazzu?

<Bump> ooc:- You going to respond Wazzu?

no response by friday (my time) & Slagkattunger goes ahead with the linking of asteroid & tower with a guide line.

<Bump> ooc:- You going to respond Wazzu?

no response by friday (my time) & Slagkattunger goes ahead with the linking of asteroid & tower with a guide line.

Well it's friday & no response.....going ahead with it.