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Ok, I just read the book Vortex by Larry Bond. It's a good book. Read it.
Anyway, I'd like to do a war RP. Not an NS one, but one with real world countries, but time bumped up to about 2025. I'm hoping on focusing on the area of South Africa. Not just the nation, but also the southern area of the continent. Now, here's the twist-
With the US, European, and Japanese Economies now needing the many strategic minerals more than ever, tensions are rising between the economic superpowers of the world. One place, far away from these nations, is South Africa. A power struggle is beginning, one that threatens the economic stability of the world. If played right, this could be the downfall of the USA, or it's greatest victory. On the other hand, this could be the beginning of a genocide for one or many of South Africa's ethnic groups. Here's the kind of nations that could get involved.
-South Africa and it's neighbors
-Any guerilla or violent ethnic groups in the reigon
-The USA
-UK
-France
-Germany
-Russia
-Japan
-Any other powerful or relevant nation

We can work out the kind of weapons, warfare, and tech later. Would anyone be interested?

Bump....

I'm interested, it seems like a good concept for a war RP and it can play out any which way, I'd like to sign on as the States.

I like your Idea of Roleplaying as real life countries. It will probably be very fun and interesting, and I would Like to join, so if other people join, we may actually rp this out. Will everyone that joins get a country? If so, I would Like To rp as the Japanese if that is ok with you......

Hmm... Sounds very good...

If I could I can control one of the guerilla factions, depending on when this all occurs...

Everyone-Sounds great.
Soviet-Sure, it'll be 2020 to give people leeway with leadership and stuff, but there are sure to be factions. In South Africa there are hardcore sepratist Afrikaners in the Orange Free State and Transvaal, neo-nazis, Kwazulu rebels, communists from the neighboring nations, black guerilllas, whatever.
I'd prefer the Germans, but if nobody takes South Africa, I will.

Sounds great. I'd like to sign up as the UK please.

Alright, we need a South Africa...

Bump for someone to be South Africa.

Greetings comrade,
though I would like to be Russia I am interested in RPing as Germany, is that possible?

I'll take South Africa, if no one else wants it. I just need a bit to find out it's equipment and other pertinent information.

Can i have Russia? Seeing as RG wants to be Germany?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sf.html

Ok. I've got recent data on South Africa and it's government. I'm ready to go. I'll be on later if you guys start this.

Ok, I was gonna be Germany... I'll let you guys choose for Russia.
There are still positions open for any African nation...
And there's France :wink:
Now, the one thing that the South African player must do is something that will either tick one of the larger nations, or do something that would skyrocket strategic mineral prices.
This includes (But is not limited to)
-Invading a neighbor (Nambia? Mozambique?)
-Declaring isolation
-Genocide (Depends upon leader of South Africa)
-Raiding guerilla forces across the border
-Any or all of the above.
Another thing-No major WMD. No Nukes or biological, but if you want to use Chemical Shells for oh, 152mm Arty, or something small like that, that's ok. This will not be limited to South Africa either. This could grow to a land, sea, and air war all over the southern area of the continent. And it's not like you have to invade the area. You could side with the South Africans and work out a deal, or just defend them for the heck of it. It's your choice.
In recap
Positions open
-African nations
-France
-Cuba? (They have a lot of stuff in Angola, if Castro's successor was a communist, he may get involved)
-Terrorists/Guerillas

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sf.html

Ok. I've got recent data on South Africa and it's government. I'm ready to go. I'll be on later if you guys start this.
Remember, we're bumping this up to 2020 so you can have leeway with leaders. That, and it would be cool to see how the "New Improved" US Military weapons work. So your leader may fit that pattern, or he could be an Afrikaner Dictatorial crackpot.

Well i'd like russia. But if rebel grots really wants it...

I'll give him 1/2 an hour to post a really good reason why he should have it. If he doesn't, i get it be default. Can't be fairer than that :D

what about china? i'll be china if it's allowed

what about china? i'll be china if it's allowed
Sure, that's fine. I just don't expect to see nations like Luxoemburg to be very upset and militant by an increase in mineral prices. As long as they would be affected enough and able to project forces to the area, sure.

woohoo! i get to be china,

This sounds really interesting, I'd like to be one of the defensive African nations surrounding South Africa if possible (does Nambia border South Africa?). I'd watch the amount of n00bs I'd let in this RP if I were you, things could turn into a godmod fest pretty quickly if the people involved lack RPing skills...

This sounds really interesting, I'd like to be one of the defensive African nations surrounding South Africa if possible (does Nambia border South Africa?). I'd watch the amount of n00bs I'd let in this RP if I were you, things could turn into a godmod fest pretty quickly if the people involved lack RPing skills...
I don't see anything too bad. Besides, the best way to learn to fight is a way that doesn't screw your nation.
Yes, Nambia is north of SA. It has a coast with the atlantic.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/index.html
EVERYONE-Go here for info on your country's forces. The CIA World Factbook is also a good resource for non-military stuff. If you're an african nation that doesn't have a good source of military info, just find the number of people in the military, and give them outdated Chinese, Russian, and European weapons (Eg, T-55, G3 Rifle, AKs, whatever).
I'll wait for about 1/2 hour for Grots to reply to Trixia, and then we'll start. Others will be free to join in as African nations.

Is Jolly ole England taken?

Is Jolly ole England taken?
Yes, Opall has it.
Oh, and if anyone wants to play as Australia, that's cool too.

I should read more carefully.

Can I be South Korea or Thailand?

Alright, then sign me up as Nambia, and I'll be either defensive or offensive depending on what kind of player is going to control South Africa. There's no info on the Nambian military on that site, but I'll assume that they have a very small navy and airforce with a much larger army in comparison.

Y'know what. I'll let Rebel grots take russia. I'll have Oz please!!

I don't want Russia, you take it comrade.
I want Germany!
Erwin Rommel II's south-afrika korps will crush all opposition beneath the tracks of our panzers.
Just kidding.
I do want Germany however

Thankee sai for the website..... It will prove much value for all of us rping this war... As of currently, I am waiting for you to start, and beloware Japans Diplomacy to the following countries that are occupied

Stuff about Japan as of the year 2020

Japans Diplomacy as of 2020

America is the closest ally, and we will support america if they are attacked in any way.
Britain is an ally of the US, and therefore our ally.
Thailand is also a close ally, and we will support them.
China is an Ally, but could shift either way in the times to come.
Germany is neutral with us.
Russia is Nuetral and HAS given back ALL the territory they took after WWII.
Souh Afrika is Nuetral, bt things ay change.
Japan does not know about the group "nambia"

Japans Military has increased due to Terrorism over the last few decades, and cause of the increase of nuclear and biological weapons.

The national leader is Jong Nin, or to his close friends, Nin-kun

(ooc:sorry bout the double post, my comp is mad slow and timed out......
hope this post exceptable!)

The alliances don't have to be real life (It's 17 years ahead, different political terrain), my UK will probably oppose the US.

Nambia ain't a group, it's a nation.

Anyway, Grots, sorry to rain on your (Military) parade, but went with Germany before hand. Still, Russia puts you in good position.
Anyway-German political status
-Is becoming less reliant on other nations. Already they have decided against using the EU Eurofighter, instead pursuing the KF-2 "Geist". Many expect the new non-NATO standard HK G-22 Caseless Assault Rifle confirms their growing deviance from other nations.
-A bustling automobile, vehicle, and weapon industry ensures the need of strategic minerals. Although German IT is becoming more efficient, they still look up to the US and Japan.
-Germany has also been ending it's policies of keeping it's nose out of the world's business. Growing instability among it's suppliers has put the nation on edge.

All right, all right.
MOHAHAHAHA!
the power of Russia is mine!
*repeat earlier military speech but change tracks of panzers to feet of infantry wave.*

In 30 years Russia has barely been able to pull itself together after the soviet collapse. The current president is president Ivanov Nizchev, elected in 2018. Russia's economy is still fragile, but it has improved. The main difference in the society is the persecution of the mafia, and the creation of jobs and resources by exploiting the large, untouched areas of siberia. Internationally Russia has remained neutral in most cases, including the entire "war on terrorism". Russia has not given back ALL of it's land to japan, only the very south/eastern tip. The japanese are furious, but Russia remains neutral. The only countries Russia thinks it has allies in are France and Germany, the united states of Europe. Most of the military is centralised on infantry, artillery and aircraft. Russia has one-years compulsory military service for males at the age of 20. Almost the entire soviet nuclear arsenal has been destroyed.
Summarized, Russia is more than happy to sit still and dig up it's, untill recently, untouched natural resources.
That is, unless something happens..........

Ooh, I see a possibility for a Russo-Japanese war... Let's hope they're on the same side of the conflict.

Anyway, everyone else MUST post one of the "status" things. Featherstones, it is IMPERATIVE that you put one down. When the time comes, I'll have a map of the battle area that I can put everyone's forces positions on. This'll make it easier to just figure out what's happening.

OOC: is my "status thingy" OK? anything missing?

OOC: is my "status thingy" OK? anything missing?
OOC-Nope. You're more than welcome to put up changes to the military or new weapons, if you want to. Oh, and if anyone isn't sure about the tech they're gonna be seeing in 2020, here are some things-
USA and maybe UK- The F-35 JSF http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-35.htm
Russia, Japan, Germany, UK, US-UCAVs, like the American X-45 and others- http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ucav.htm
Russia will have some nice fighter options-
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/s-37.htm
and
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mfi.htm
And the Europeans will have the EuroFighter (It's good, as much as I don't like it)
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/eurofighter.htm
Otherwise, feel free to make up your own weapons. These are just ideas for the kind of weapons in this RP.

Russia will have some nice fighter options-
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/s-37.htm
and
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mfi.htm


*drool*
I Like it!
:twisted:

I suppose I'd better get my excruciangly very many military factories to increase production, eh?

Can I be Canada? They're the second largest nation. =-D But really, Canada has alot of allies andit would be interesting to have to choose.

Can I be Canada? They're the second largest nation. =-D But really, Canada has alot of allies andit would be interesting to have to choose.
Sure. Keep in mind Canada has been downsizing their military (They actually are going to disband their MBT forces!), but if you want to change that, be my guest.
Grots-
Yeah, they're great aircraft. I designed the KF-2 like the S-37 and the new MiG, along with a nifty stealth system to keep up with the Americans. Which brings me to my next point-Europe and Russia- You have the capability for stealthy aircraft. As time passes, and with the EU, I'd expect them to start working with that stuff.
Oh, and South Africa, you have the best 155mm Howitzer in the world- the G-5. Don't be afraid to improve on your other weapons.

BUMP-Everyone else, You MUST post a status for your nation. I want to get this RP rolling soon.

well posting status of china,

IC: the chinese people have begun to grow restless with the communist governemnt but are for now still under it's control, the Peoples Liberation Arm Navy has built it's first aircraft carrier, to be deployed in the north sea fleet at present as russian-japanese relations are tensing and china is very close to both countries, the PLA air force hes received new carrier-ready planes to use on the aforementioned craft, the PLA itself has remained the same, a very large attack force using weapons somewhat behind the times, the chinese people are growing restless as more and more resources are gobbled up, the poulation is still swelling and more extreme measures have been taken, thought is being given to taking some of russia's natural resources for our own in a joint operation with Japan, as it stands the PLA is the largest army in the area and could potentially turn the tide with sheer numbers

Very nice... Even though a Russo-Japanese war wasn't the intent of this, perhaps it can be a side effect. But remember, many of your resources do, can, or will come from South Africa...

IC: It's been a long time since the Terrorist attacks on the 2010 Olympics in Whistler, BC, Canada. Where over 12,000 people died in the traditional lighting of the torch in Vancouver. A series of bombs had been placed in key points in the stadium, the whole place fell ontop of its self, crushing people and trapping others, few survived, many of the only survivors were actually the athletes. In fact only 15% of the athletes died. This had been known as the worst terrorist attack known to man. The real question of the attack was, why Canada? Of all the places, the one least expecting it got it. The government soon increased funding in the military by a huge amount, Canadian Soldiers good training were combined with excellent equipment, new aircraft carriers wer constructed, Canada has a total of 7 carriers. Destroyers were built, planes were built. 7 years after the attack Canada could be considered a military power, although not the greatest.

Canada kept most of its allies except the alliance with the US of A has shaken and is near a neutral point. Canada still keeps alliances with the U.K. Germany, Japan, France, Russia and many more.

Outside of the military, most things remained the same, Canada has kept its beauty and people, people still say eh, and joke about how stupid Americans are, the amount of Racism in Canada is extremely low, but the gun related murders has risen 15% since the Terror attacks and slowly dropping.

(OOC Is that okay?)

IC: After the second gulf war the British had a political upheaval, at first it was extremely left-wing disdaining from any war. It gradually reversed however, and the image of them being the U.S "lap dogs" has revived much buried imperialism. In the words of General Tout: We were once the greatest country on earth, nothing has changed. This outlook has made the EU rather uneasy. The Britons are now obsessed with proving themselves, and eliminating anyone who stands in their way.

They still keep alliances with Japan and Canada, and are negotiating with China.

So all we need is France eh?

OOC: remember, a very real posibility is the "United States of Europe" a couter-balance superpower to the USA developed from the EU and NATO

I wouldn't mind joining in as one of the militant factions/generals on the South African or nearby African nations' side.

We don't need a France, but a France would be OK.
Ag-Well, you could be a capitalist who starts uses a coup to take over Angola, Mozambique, or some other South African country...

I like the new Canada and UK, very cool... You guys might be the ones to start the war. Boer War II... Heh.

Oh BTW. Canada is probably on friendly terms with China too, but not a full alliance.

So NE, what stance would you like Australia to be to begin with?

So NE, what stance would you like Australia to be to begin with?
Whatever stance you want. All I require is that South Africa give us a reason to fight.

Didn't you already have a reason?

<South Africa>

::President Mubatu had been in power for a little over two years before contracting full blown AIDs. His death, six months later, came as a shock to the nation, who were still unaware of his illness. His sucessor, President Haliya, the decendent of an Indian imigrant, is widely dispised, and plots begin to form in the military to remove him.

On the morning of the 4th of December, 2024, Lt. General Ikshish Fadaku marches his Corps into Pretoria, siezing it bloodlessly and proclaiming himself the new President. The native citizens welcome him with open arms, while the Afrikaaner and Indian citizens appeal to the international community for help. Further complicating the issue, is the military's nationalization of key natural reasorces, declairing a punative tax on all raw material exports and manufactured imports, attempting to fill their coffers and revive the flagging economy.

President Fadaku today, the 6th of March, 2025, has declaired that a new dimond mine, found near Lavumisa, Swaziland, is soverign land of South Africa, and moved soldiers across the boarder to sieze it. In a brief skirmish with Swaziland boarder patrolls, 4 Swazilanders were killed and 2 wounded. The leader of Swaziland has promised to throw the invaders out, while the international community has been silent so far::

Sorry about the double post folks.

I didn't read about someone taking the cuba spot so i will take that one if it is ok.

Is it alright if I join.

I think I'll be an islamic militant group

you guys still here?

Is it alright if I join.

I think I'll be an islamic militant group
There aren't many in South Africa... But OK.

Oppresor-Sure.
Featherstones-Awesome. I'm gonna start the thread where we can repost there.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2244944#2244944
The RP thread. Featherstones, repost that there.

Bump-New thread is open...

bump again for everyone involved.

Bumpetibump,
bumpetibuuuuuump!
everyone needs to get this so the RP thingie can kick off.

China,
what on earth are you talking about? You mentioned military actions by Russia. What? We're in the middle of a diplomatic meeting in the UN.
Please let the good RP carry on for a while before you start toting military and bombing people. I really feel we need DIPLOMACY here, not just nukes. Please join us in PEACEFUL discussions.

So what exactly is going on? South Africa attacked SwaziLand for diamonds right? Im a tad confused so I need clarification before I post.

So what exactly is going on? South Africa attacked SwaziLand for diamonds right? Im a tad confused so I need clarification before I post.

south africa claimed a tiny bit of Swaziland. Just the tiny little bit where there was a diamond mine. No assault has begun, there have been minor skirmishes. Please, let diplomacy run it's course.

China,
what on earth are you talking about? You mentioned military actions by Russia. What? We're in the middle of a diplomatic meeting in the UN.
Please let the good RP carry on for a while before you start toting military and bombing people. I really feel we need DIPLOMACY here, not just nukes. Please join us in PEACEFUL discussions.

military actions such as the mobilizing of the russian armed forces, as you should know, any time a large country mobilizes it's armed forces, countries around it start to feel threatened and mobilize their armed forces as a response, the chinese, being a very insecure people would most definatly, especially after a dplomatic breakdown with russia, mobilize their forces in response to that sort of aggressive actions, and you view of good RP does not coincide with mine, henc, i will RP my way you RP yours, in conclusion sod off

China,
what on earth are you talking about? You mentioned military actions by Russia. What? We're in the middle of a diplomatic meeting in the UN.
Please let the good RP carry on for a while before you start toting military and bombing people. I really feel we need DIPLOMACY here, not just nukes. Please join us in PEACEFUL discussions.

military actions such as the mobilizing of the russian armed forces, as you should know, any time a large country mobilizes it's armed forces, countries around it start to feel threatened and mobilize their armed forces as a response, the chinese, being a very insecure people would most definatly, especially after a dplomatic breakdown with russia, mobilize their forces in response to that sort of aggressive actions, and you view of good RP does not coincide with mine, henc, i will RP my way you RP yours, in conclusion sod off
Granted.
The thing was I was just confused, because I have absolutely NOT mobilised any military, and you tell me you're responding to something that never happened.
About the diplomacy thing, I'm sorry. I'm just a bit fed up. you see, nearly every thread I've participated in has come to blows after half a page. I just wanted this to be more talk and less fight.

Grots is right of course, sometimes the best rps are the peaceful ones.

haven't really got anything to post so................
*BUMP*

MOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I AM EVIL! :twisted:

want to know why?
I'll tell you why.

*BUMP*

THAT'S WHY! :twisted: