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Stealthy Advanced Attack Helicopter Sale [damn pics fixed]

20-11-2003, 22:50
Production rights are only on sale to TGB or NCA members and a few others!


The Bisonic Defense Initiatives Agency (BDIA) has announced the development of the Hishnik (Russian for predator) Hi-58 attack helicopter. The Hi-58 features the most advanced helicopter technology available: Fly-by-light, NOTAR, etc.
Hishnik Hi-58 Attack Helicopter

http://www.digikitten.com/playhousev2/files/bisonn/Hi-58-3.jpg

Fly-by-light Control System
The BFBL control system is in many ways similar to the fly-by-wire systems just beginning to enter production as the nerve system of such advanced rotorcraft as the Bell Agusta BA 609 civil tiltrotor and NH Industries NH 90 military transport. Like those aircraft, control signals between the BFBL 's pilot stations, flight control computer and actuators for rotor blade control are not transmitted electrically, via wire, but instead optically, via hair-thin optical fibers.

Optical technology offers several advantages, especially aboard helicopters. Weight is saved, the optical system is far less complex, the total number of control system moving parts (always a sensitive issue in the rotorcraft world) reduced, and the overall handling of the helicopter can be greatly improved, even over the improved handling reported by pilots of the first fly-by-wire helicopters. Simply put, fiberoptic systems can move more data than wire systems, clearing the way for improved flight control systems, super-stability augmentation and a host of other new technologies still under either design or consideration.

Additionally, fly-by-light offers, at least theoretically, total resistance to electromagnetic control interference. Losses of some fly-by-wire dependent helos in military training exercise have led to concerns over the battlefield robustness of fly-by-wire systems. Some prgress has been made in the development of electromagnetic weapons that could conceivably bring down a fly-by-wire aircraft. More practically, incidents of heavy electromagnetic inteference encountered around high-tension power transmission lines have resulted in control troubles for some tech-heavy helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft.

With fiberoptic controls, the Hishnik design Bureau feels controllability and stability will be optimized, susceptibility to wind gusts minimized and overall pilot workload slashed. Key to the system are the use of integrated control electronics (known as “smart actuators”) that translate the optical pulses into data understandable by the actuator, which in turn does the real, physical work.

NOTAR-NO TAil Rotor
http://www.digikitten.com/playhousev2/files/bisonn/Hi-58-2.jpg

Tail rotor serves very important function in a helicopter - not only as a directional (yaw) control but it prevents the machine from spinning out of control in the direction opposite to main rotor rotation. It is the most effective means of generating the required forces for pilots to turn the ship just enough to get out of trouble.

The drawback of tail rotor is its fragility. Afghani rebels were quick to learn that a Mi-24D Hind could easily be taken out by simply throwing a rock into its spinning tail rotor. And, finally, the noise. Over 60% of total noise generated by a helicopter is due to interaction of main and tail rotor tip vortices. During armed conflict, noise provides the main means of detection for a helicopter in many situations.

Helicopters equipped with NOTAR system directly address these issues - they are safer, more reliable and quieter. All that at the cost of few extra parts and horsepower.

Targeting Systems and Countermeasures
http://www.digikitten.com/playhousev2/files/bisonn/Hi-58-1.jpg

The Hi-58 is fitted with second-generation Forward Looking InfraRed (FLIR), which are internal systems in order to maintain low-observability (stealth) characteristics. FLIR aids in navigation and is also intended for use in detecitng, targeting, and engaging targets on the battlefield.

The Hi-58 is fitted with millimeter wave radar, based on the model succesfully fielded in the Bisonic Army, which is currently being used in the repulsion of the agression by Fluffywuffy. The fire control radar incorporates an integrated radar frequency interferometer for passive location and identification of radar emitting threats. An advantage of millimetre wave is that it performs under poor visibility conditions and is less sensitive to ground clutter. The short wavelength allows a very narrow beamwidth which is resistant to countermeasures.

The Hi-58 can effect an attack in fifteen seconds. The radar dome is unmasked for a single radar scan and then remasked. The processors determine the location, speed and direction of travel of a maximum of 256 targets. Fitted with the Geforce4 developed supercomputer, it provides an effective means of engagement, armed with the supersonic Orel radar-guided anti tank guided missiles, which have a range of 12.5km.

The Hi-58 is fitted with a pilot night vision sensor and target aqcuisition sight.

The Hi-58 is fitted with chaff and flare dispensers, a radar warning system, laser warning-reciever, and infrared countermeasures system.

Armament
http://www.digikitten.com/playhousev2/files/bisonn/Hi-58-4.jpg

The Hi-58 is armed with the two-barrled Gsh-23M 23mm chaingun, which fires at a rate of 3,000 rounds per minute. The Gsh-23M weighs just over 50 kilograms, or 2/3 the weight of the Apache's chaingun. 900 rounds are stored for the Gsh-23M.

The Hi-58 is capable of carrying a wide variety of weapons: AA-11 Archer or AA-14 Agile AAM's, AT-16 Vikhr or similar ATGM's, rocket pods, or 50 kilogram bombs. In its internal weapons bay, the Hi-58 can carry 8 50kg bombs or up to 8 ATGM's. Externally it can carry up to 24 ATGM's, as well as 2 rocket pods and 2 AAM's. If necessary, the Hi-58 can drop 250kg bombs.

Engines
http://www.digikitten.com/playhousev2/files/bisonn/Hi-58-5.jpg

The Ka-50 is powered by two TV3-117VMU turboshafts engines each providing 2,500hp. The engines are placed on either side of the fuselage to enhance the combat survivability. The helicopter also has an auxiliary power unit (APU) for self-contained operation.

Ejection Seat
The Hi-58 is fitted with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds, designated K-37-800.

A Hi-58 costs $17.5 million, $15 million for TGB or NCA members.
Artitsa
20-11-2003, 23:04
240 of these, and production rights.
Zvarinograd
20-11-2003, 23:08
400 Hi-58 attack helicopters, $7,000,000,000 will be wired shortly. That will be all.

Dr. Sergei Valkov
Head Researcher of Valkonezh City Research Complex
Advisor to the Premier
United Socialist States of Zvarinograd
Credonia
20-11-2003, 23:14
before i buy (im interested) i have one question. How can the helicopter stay stable without a tail rotor? Wouldnt the copter spin out of control?
20-11-2003, 23:15
Both confirmed.
Artitsa- for you the prod rights are $2 bil.
Arribastan
20-11-2003, 23:16
10 for testing. how much are prod. rights?
20-11-2003, 23:17
before i buy (im interested) i have one question. How can the helicopter stay stable without a tail rotor? Wouldnt the copter spin out of control?
I can dig that up, but theres already a couple RL NOTAR helicopters.
20-11-2003, 23:18
4 how do i pay
20-11-2003, 23:20
Both confirmed, you pay by saying "money wired".
Arribatsan- theyre $2 bil.
Arribastan
20-11-2003, 23:23
fine. 2 bil wired in addition to helicopters
20-11-2003, 23:23
I would like to buy 6 of these beuties.
Due to silence and stealth i suppose they can be used effectively as scouts ? I've had some borderproblems lately, and are in need of fast new hightech scouting-capabilities to counter hostile movements.

Please send telegram if purchase is granted, and information about delivery. Speed is of the essence


Regards, Stormblod, Father of the Dominion
20-11-2003, 23:29
Arribastan-confirmed.

We have another scouting low RCS helicopter in the Bisonic Army, but nobodys interested in them so we dont sell them. We can sell them for $7.5 mil each. If necessary, it can be given 4 ATGM's or 2 rocket pods. Its designed for scouting or designating targets for the Hi-58.
http://avia.russian.ee/vertigo/foto/kazan_ansat_military.jpg
CoreWorlds
21-11-2003, 00:09
We are exploring a couple of options for purchase of this helicopter.

Option A: 2 billion credits will be wired for production rights to the chopper, and however much else for the scout chopper.
Option B: 100 of the HI-58 and 100 Scouts, please. 2.5 billion credits will be wired for that.

Please choose one of the options, so we can wire the money.
21-11-2003, 00:12
4 how do i pay

Pretend.
Skittletopia
21-11-2003, 00:26
30 HI-58's for the army and 10 of the scouts for the SERA please...
The Edwardian Empire
21-11-2003, 00:31
I'll take 250 Hi-58s. $4,375,000,000 wired.

EDIT: Typo in the number- I almost gipped you out of $100,000,000!
21-11-2003, 03:11
All confirmed, corewrolds, how about Option B?
The Gulf States
21-11-2003, 03:19
Package deals and TGP discounts?
21-11-2003, 03:20
Package deals and TGP discounts?TGP can go to hell, no TGP discount, however you are one of the "select others" and get the discount anyway. Package deals are negotiable.
CoreWorlds
21-11-2003, 03:24
All confirmed, coreworlds, how about Option B?

Fair enough. 2.5 billion credits wired.
The Gulf States
21-11-2003, 03:25
Package deals and TGP discounts?TGP can go to hell, no TGP discount, however you are one of the "select others" and get the discount anyway. Package deals are negotiable.

You know what I meant. I know that obviously you won't give one to Walten or Belem. And um, if you want - I'll have fun beating Walten by the time interleague games come around in NSMLB.

You also want to sum me up on your nice 24 page war going on?
21-11-2003, 03:27
All confirmed, coreworlds, how about Option B?

Fair enough. 2.5 billion credits wired.
The helicopters are being sent, though you can have them at the discount price.
CoreWorlds
21-11-2003, 03:30
Thanks!
21-11-2003, 03:30
Package deals and TGP discounts?TGP can go to hell, no TGP discount, however you are one of the "select others" and get the discount anyway. Package deals are negotiable.

You know what I meant. I know that obviously you won't give one to Walten or Belem. And um, if you want - I'll have fun beating Walten by the time interleague games come around in NSMLB.

You also want to sum me up on your nice 24 page war going on?
Yeah, thats the reason I left, the mosty active are a lovely mixture of the moronic and the criminally insane!

Sum up:
FLufywuffy invades Dark Terror. Dark Terror and Artitsa start blowing fluffywuffys invasion to hell. FLuffywuffy, East Islandia, and Nianancio start naval war on DT. FLuffywuffy loses 100 PT boats to air attack and subs. Nianancio loses 20 carriers and withdraws. DT loses 1 carrier, a couple more are damamged, and some frigates and destroyers are sunk, as the Nianancians and East Islandians only managed to fire some air launched ASM's at the Bisonic Fleet as of right now.
The Gulf States
21-11-2003, 03:44
Package deals and TGP discounts?TGP can go to hell, no TGP discount, however you are one of the "select others" and get the discount anyway. Package deals are negotiable.

You know what I meant. I know that obviously you won't give one to Walten or Belem. And um, if you want - I'll have fun beating Walten by the time interleague games come around in NSMLB.

You also want to sum me up on your nice 24 page war going on?
Yeah, thats the reason I left, the mosty active are a lovely mixture of the moronic and the criminally insane!

Sum up:
FLufywuffy invades Dark Terror. Dark Terror and Artitsa start blowing fluffywuffys invasion to hell. FLuffywuffy, East Islandia, and Nianancio start naval war on DT. FLuffywuffy loses 100 PT boats to air attack and subs. Nianancio loses 20 carriers and withdraws. DT loses 1 carrier, a couple more are damamged, and some frigates and destroyers are sunk, as the Nianancians and East Islandians only managed to fire some air launched ASM's at the Bisonic Fleet as of right now.

Yes, pretty soon I may or may not be looking for another region because TGP is getting kind of boring.
21-11-2003, 03:45
Come to Grossduetchland (mispelling by regional founder), its like TGP was but a bit less active.
The Gulf States
21-11-2003, 03:51
GDL being more boring than TGP? Then how often do posts happen over there? Once a week?

And also, who that I would know would be over in the region now?
21-11-2003, 03:54
GDL being more boring than TGP? Then how often do posts happen over there? Once a week?

And also, who that I would know would be over in the region now?
Im there, and Artitsa, Zossen, and The Macabees are good allies. Its oldest post is 3 days old, but its a bit less active now, we can use more people.
imported_The Celtois
21-11-2003, 03:57
I guess imitation is the sincerist form of Flattery
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75982&highlight=
imported_The Celtois
21-11-2003, 03:57
I guess imitation is the sincerist form of Flattery
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75982&highlight=
21-11-2003, 03:59
OOC;
This was designed fully spserately from the Night Owl, I actually never even noticed its existance until that libk...
21-11-2003, 04:03
We require the following for the expansion of our Helicopter Attack Battalions

We require 15 or these helicopters now

Funds will be wired upon confirmation
21-11-2003, 04:04
Purchase of 15 confirmed.
imported_The Celtois
21-11-2003, 04:07
OOC: Actually not to argue anymore, you did notice it before
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80790&start=0.

btw how did you come up with that pic, thats pretty interesting.

I don't really care that much, since i gave up that country. Mehbe months ago i planted seeds of an idea in your head. I dunno.
/Hijack
21-11-2003, 04:11
OOC: Actually not to argue anymore, you did notice it before
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80790&start=0.

btw how did you come up with that pic, thats pretty interesting.

I don't really care that much, since i gave up that country. Mehbe months ago i planted seeds of an idea in your head. I dunno.
/Hijack
OOC:
Oh, but I never bothered checking it out.

The picture... well, keep guessing.
Autonomous City-states
21-11-2003, 04:18
OOC: Just a point to note given the earlier discussion about the rotors. Based on the picture used, it has a dual contrarotating rotor system like most of the Kamov series... the dual rotors balance each other's torque. Thus, there is no need for a tail rotor or a NOTAR system.

IC: The Federation would be interested in acquiring eight (8 ) Hi-58s for field and suitability testing. Are production rights available to us?
21-11-2003, 04:19
Purchase of 8 confirmed, although prod rights are only sold to allies.
Autonomous City-states
21-11-2003, 04:28
In that case, the Federation Ground Forces will acquire 420 Hi-58s for the armed reconnaissance/airborne fire support role.
21-11-2003, 04:28
In that case, the Federation Ground Forces will acquire 420 Hi-58s for the armed reconnaissance/airborne fire support role.
Confirmed.
Soviet Haaregrad
21-11-2003, 04:33
before i buy (im interested) i have one question. How can the helicopter stay stable without a tail rotor? Wouldnt the copter spin out of control?
I can dig that up, but theres already a couple RL NOTAR helicopters.

The rotors rotate in opposite directions, thus cancelling out each other's torque. Spin problem solved.

PS: They also used that on late-WWII and post WWII propeller fighters, as well as the Tu 20/95/142 Bear
21-11-2003, 04:34
Uh... I shouldve known that..... :oops:
21-11-2003, 04:37
OOC:
Though if one blade was blown off, wouldnt the NOTAR maybe let the helo limp back to base?


...That reminds me that I forgot to add an ejection system which blows the blades away and then ejects the pilot. Oh well...
21-11-2003, 04:38
OOC:
Though if one blade was blown off, wouldnt the NOTAR maybe let the helo limp back to base?


...That reminds me that I forgot to add an ejection system which blows the blades away and then ejects the pilot. Oh well...

Well that would suck, hitting the ejection seat only to be luached up into the rotars.
21-11-2003, 04:39
OOC:
CAN YOU READ? I said it blows the blades away, then ejects the pilot!
Soviet Haaregrad
21-11-2003, 04:42
OOC:
Though if one blade was blown off, wouldnt the NOTAR maybe let the helo limp back to base?


...That reminds me that I forgot to add an ejection system which blows the blades away and then ejects the pilot. Oh well...

Well that would suck, hitting the ejection seat only to be luached up into the rotars.

Tell that to a Hokum pilot, chopper ejector seats work. On the other hand, yes, that would suck.
21-11-2003, 04:44
OOC:
CAN YOU READ? I said it blows the blades away, then ejects the pilot!

yes , and it read I forgot to add an ejection system which blows the blades away
21-11-2003, 04:45
OOC:
Oh, you misunderstood me. I forgot to add any ejeciton seat at all.
*quickly edits post to include it*
Soviet Bloc
21-11-2003, 04:52
I'll purchase 500 of these outstanding craft.
*money wired*
Spasiba.
Soviet Haaregrad
21-11-2003, 04:59
We wish to develop our own version with our own electronics. How much?
21-11-2003, 20:51
We wish to develop our own version with our own electronics. How much?
We sell you them without the electronic, you put your electronics in. Sound good? Or make no sense at all?

Soviet Bloc- confirmed.
21-11-2003, 22:12
21-11-2003, 22:12
bump
21-11-2003, 22:41
can i buy please? :D
United Elias
21-11-2003, 22:45
Nice, you should have done it as a joint project with me but guess you didnt really need to do.

BTW the Kazan Ansat Nablyudatel isnt low observable.
21-11-2003, 22:47
Nice, you should have done it as a joint project with me but guess you didnt really need to do.

BTW the Kazan Ansat Nablyudatel isnt low observable.
I know, but it looks like it is, so I used its pic more than its stats.
21-11-2003, 22:48
telegram if i can buy 1 please!
21-11-2003, 22:50
telegram if i can buy 1 please!
21-11-2003, 22:50
telegram if i can buy 1 please!
21-11-2003, 22:50
telegram if i can buy 1 please!
21-11-2003, 23:56
Purchase of 1 confirmed.
22-11-2003, 19:06
bump.
22-11-2003, 19:15
I'll Have 250 Hi-58s.
*$4,375,000,000 Wired Upon Confirmation Of Order*
22-11-2003, 19:15
Confirmed.
Autonomous City-states
24-11-2003, 17:09
The initial 8 Hi-58s were tested essentially to destruction and are being dismantled for spare parts. The Federation Ground Forces would like to acquire an additional 32 Hi-58s to replace the eight test articles and provide supplementary field reserves.
29-11-2003, 03:52
Confirmed.
Layarteb
02-12-2003, 04:58
Hey look!!! the russians stole designs for the RAH-66 and made there own. Big surprise..

LOL DT I had to!!!
Valient
02-12-2003, 06:35
From President Valient of the Commonwealth of Valient to Dark terror:

"My nation has had stealth technology for the past decade. We have built our Valient Royal Air Force *VRAF on the technology. However, we would like to purchase 500 helicopters for study. Please wire us with the purchuse price.
02-12-2003, 20:23
Confirmed.
The Weir Provinces
02-12-2003, 20:40
The Weir Provinces would be interested in purchasing 12 of these wonderful helicopters. We need a more effective air force to handle the biker gangs currently plauging our nation, due to some issues with our central government. That would come to 210,000,000 USD (945,000,000 Centis). Money will be wired upon confirmation of sale.

Thank you,
Defense Minister of the Weir Provinces, M. Stalton
The Bulgarite
02-12-2003, 22:53
300 x Hi-58

*money will be automaticly wired on conformation*
02-12-2003, 23:20
Both purchases have been confirmed.
17-12-2003, 18:20
I request production rights.
17-12-2003, 18:24
Seran wishes to buy 100 of these to become our elite helicopter force, we will wire the money on confirming of shipment. Although out tiger choppers are better armed and faster, they are too big, this copter fits all our requirements.
17-12-2003, 21:41
No prod rights on sale.
Purchase of 100 confirmed. And PAH-2 Tiger is not better armed, AT ALL.
Kazakhstania
17-12-2003, 21:48
I agree. The Tiger is less armed by almost half the ATGM's, and has a pussy cannon.

It is behind in todays standards, and it isnt even out yet.
17-12-2003, 21:50
Tilsitsin is wiring $2 billion for production rights to this machine. Please confirm this order.
17-12-2003, 21:51
Tilsitsin is wiring $2 billion for production rights to this machine. Please confirm this order.
Due to a previous relationship, the purchase has been confirmed.
McLeod03
17-12-2003, 21:59
If i can't purchase production rights, i'll buy three for trail purposes. How complicated is it to fly one of these, more so than say, a V-22?
17-12-2003, 22:01
If i can't purchase production rights, i'll buy three for trail purposes. How complicated is it to fly one of these, more so than say, a V-22?
They have a good fly by light system, but its like Ka-50, then a bit harder.
McLeod03
17-12-2003, 22:09
Could they be controled by a system complex enough to fly a V-22 with some modification?
17-12-2003, 22:09
17-12-2003, 22:10
I didnt mean the tiger copter in real standards, we have developed a large helicopter that is very fast and well armed, but big. veeery big.
17-12-2003, 22:11
I didnt mean the tiger copter in real standards, we have developed a large helicopter that is very fast and well armed, but big. veeery big.
17-12-2003, 22:53
Tilsitsin is wiring $2 billion for production rights to this machine. Please confirm this order.
17-12-2003, 23:07
Tilsitsin is wiring $2 billion for production rights to this machine. Please confirm this order.
Confirmed, due to previous relationship.
17-12-2003, 23:07
Tilsitsin is wiring $2 billion for production rights to this machine. Please confirm this order.
Confirmed, due to previous relationship.
Zvarinograd
18-12-2003, 04:12
The United Socialist States of Zvarinograd albeit it's already massive and technologically advanced airforce, would like to purchase 5,000 Hi-58 attack helicopters. A total of $87,500,000,000 has been wired. That will be all.

Premier Alexey Zvarinsky
United Socialist States of Zvarinograd

OOC:
Population: 453,000,000
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: All-Consuming
GDP per Capita: $30,000
GDP: $13,590,000,000,000
National Budget: $4,771,883,880,000
Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 7.02%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 20%
Military Budget: $954,376,776,000
Zvarinograd
19-12-2003, 05:18
OOC:
Bump for attention.
Diminix
19-12-2003, 05:20
Is it stronger than the Apache?
19-12-2003, 05:28
I will take 10 , if I am satisfied I may order more
- Dictator, Rebeland
20-12-2003, 00:36
All confirmed, and Diminix, BY FAR.
Eriopia
20-12-2003, 00:40
5 Hi-58s please can you telegram me when these amazing helicopters arrive please I'll give an extra thousand if you do.






*money wired*
United Elias
20-12-2003, 00:40
NOTAR isnt needed, counter rotating rotors.
21-12-2003, 00:45
NOTAR isnt needed, counter rotating rotors.
In case one gets blown off, it just might save the $10 mil plus machine.

All confirmed.

NO PROD RIGHTS ON SALE EXCEPT TO ALLIES.
The Fedral Union
21-12-2003, 01:01
How mutch for 10 of these things .
21-12-2003, 01:02
$175 million.
The Fedral Union
21-12-2003, 01:04
Ill take 10 of them ,money will be wired upon dilivary if they test out good i might buy more.
21-12-2003, 01:10
Ill take 10 of them ,money will be wired upon dilivary if they test out good i might buy more.
Confirmed.
The Fedral Union
21-12-2003, 01:11
Glad to be doing bussines with you if thares any thing you need just ask.
Bayorta
21-12-2003, 01:18
Bayorta wishes to purchase 450 of these fine aircraft. This comes to a total of 7,875,000,000 USD. We are also considering the possibility of purchasing production rights. Would this be possible?

We also ask for you to provide information and a link to your tanks(OOC: Cant find the bloody things)

The money will be wired upon confirmation of this order.

Regards,
Geoff Hoon,
Secretary of defence,
Ministry of Defence

http://www.mod.uk/img/sdr_new_chapter/sofs_hoon.jpg
21-12-2003, 01:19
Confirmed, well get the link shortly.
The Fedral Union
21-12-2003, 01:20
The fedral union has tested thes craft and have deem them fit i will up my order buy 50 .
money will be wired Upon dilivary.
21-12-2003, 01:21
The fedral union has tested thes craft and have deem them fit i will up my order buy 50 .
money will be wired Upon dilivary.
Confirmed, learn to spell.

My tanks (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=90386&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
Bayorta
21-12-2003, 01:24
The fedral union has tested thes craft and have deem them fit i will up my order buy 50 .
money will be wired Upon dilivary.
Confirmed, learn to spell.

My tanks (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=90386&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

LoL

Money has been wired.

Thanks for the link to your tanks. We are considering them.
21-12-2003, 01:32
Greetings Dark Terror, we would like to order 50 of your helicopters.

The total cost will be $875'000'000, the money will be wired on confirmation and one the helicopters are finnished our pilots will parachute in.

Thank you for your custom.

Brigadier General Tai Pyro, Chief of Defence
Kazaakisthan Military
Kazaakisthan
http://www.brandeis.edu/arts50/images/young.jpg
The Fedral Union
21-12-2003, 01:50
I must buy more of thes hellcoptors about 500 of them money will be wired when they are hear.
NouvelleTerre
21-12-2003, 01:51
The Empire of NouvelleTerre would like to purchase Production rights.
21-12-2003, 02:19
I must buy more of thes hellcoptors about 500 of them money will be wired when they are hear.
Confirmed.

No prod rights are sold.
The Fedral Union
21-12-2003, 02:21
Thanks the money has been sent .
Kazakhstania
21-12-2003, 11:05
Wow Kaazakhstaan. This is exactly the same airraft as my one :?
21-12-2003, 15:24
do you give discounts to new nations? if so, i would like 3 of these please.
money wired if discount is supplied.


"I see in your eyes the same fear that would take
the heart of me. There may come a day when
the courage of men fails; when we forsake our
friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is
not this day. This day, we fight!”

King Aragorn, of the realm of Gondor
21-12-2003, 15:37
can i have 90 stealthy advanced helicopters.money wired
Penguisiana
21-12-2003, 16:17
I would like 10
Penguisiana
21-12-2003, 16:17
I would like 10, money wired
Largent
21-12-2003, 16:30
ill take 100 and production rights

3,750,000,000 wired
Penguisiana
21-12-2003, 16:39
make it 50, money wired
21-12-2003, 17:53
Wow Kaazakhstaan. This is exactly the same airraft as my one :?
Unfortunately for you, thats why youll get blown to the stoneage once I finish making coral reefs out of nianancios carriers.

All confirmed (except for prod rights to largent), well send those 3 for free, gondor.
Eriopia
21-12-2003, 18:09
has my order of 10 Hi-58 helicopters been confirmed yet.
21-12-2003, 21:26
Wow Kaazakhstaan. This is exactly the same airraft as my one :?
Unfortunately for you, thats why youll get blown to the stoneage once I finish making coral reefs out of nianancios carriers.

All confirmed (except for prod rights to largent), well send those 3 for free, gondor.REALLY? THANK YOU! YOUR NAME SHALL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED!!!! :D



King Aragorn, of the realm of Gondor
21-12-2003, 21:35
has my order of 10 Hi-58 helicopters been confirmed yet.
Yes.
21-12-2003, 21:38
Production rights are only on sale to TGB or NCA members and a few others!

The Bisonic Defense Initiatives Agency (BDIA) has announced the development of the Hishnik (Russian for predator) Hi-58 attack helicopter. The Hi-58 features the most advanced helicopter technology available: Fly-by-light, NOTAR, etc.
Hishnik Hi-58 Attack Helicopter

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Fly-by-light Control System
The BFBL control system is in many ways similar to the fly-by-wire systems just beginning to enter production as the nerve system of such advanced rotorcraft as the Bell Agusta BA 609 civil tiltrotor and NH Industries NH 90 military transport. Like those aircraft, control signals between the BFBL 's pilot stations, flight control computer and actuators for rotor blade control are not transmitted electrically, via wire, but instead optically, via hair-thin optical fibers.

Optical technology offers several advantages, especially aboard helicopters. Weight is saved, the optical system is far less complex, the total number of control system moving parts (always a sensitive issue in the rotorcraft world) reduced, and the overall handling of the helicopter can be greatly improved, even over the improved handling reported by pilots of the first fly-by-wire helicopters. Simply put, fiberoptic systems can move more data than wire systems, clearing the way for improved flight control systems, super-stability augmentation and a host of other new technologies still under either design or consideration.

Additionally, fly-by-light offers, at least theoretically, total resistance to electromagnetic control interference. Losses of some fly-by-wire dependent helos in military training exercise have led to concerns over the battlefield robustness of fly-by-wire systems. Some prgress has been made in the development of electromagnetic weapons that could conceivably bring down a fly-by-wire aircraft. More practically, incidents of heavy electromagnetic inteference encountered around high-tension power transmission lines have resulted in control troubles for some tech-heavy helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft.

With fiberoptic controls, the Hishnik design Bureau feels controllability and stability will be optimized, susceptibility to wind gusts minimized and overall pilot workload slashed. Key to the system are the use of integrated control electronics (known as “smart actuators”) that translate the optical pulses into data understandable by the actuator, which in turn does the real, physical work.

NOTAR-NO TAil Rotor
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Tail rotor serves very important function in a helicopter - not only as a directional (yaw) control but it prevents the machine from spinning out of control in the direction opposite to main rotor rotation. It is the most effective means of generating the required forces for pilots to turn the ship just enough to get out of trouble.

The drawback of tail rotor is its fragility. Afghani rebels were quick to learn that a Mi-24D Hind could easily be taken out by simply throwing a rock into its spinning tail rotor. And, finally, the noise. Over 60% of total noise generated by a helicopter is due to interaction of main and tail rotor tip vortices. During armed conflict, noise provides the main means of detection for a helicopter in many situations.

Helicopters equipped with NOTAR system directly address these issues - they are safer, more reliable and quieter. All that at the cost of few extra parts and horsepower.

Targeting Systems and Countermeasures
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The Hi-58 is fitted with second-generation Forward Looking InfraRed (FLIR), which are internal systems in order to maintain low-observability (stealth) characteristics. FLIR aids in navigation and is also intended for use in detecitng, targeting, and engaging targets on the battlefield.

The Hi-58 is fitted with millimeter wave radar, based on the model succesfully fielded in the Bisonic Army, which is currently being used in the repulsion of the agression by Fluffywuffy. The fire control radar incorporates an integrated radar frequency interferometer for passive location and identification of radar emitting threats. An advantage of millimetre wave is that it performs under poor visibility conditions and is less sensitive to ground clutter. The short wavelength allows a very narrow beamwidth which is resistant to countermeasures.

The Hi-58 can effect an attack in fifteen seconds. The radar dome is unmasked for a single radar scan and then remasked. The processors determine the location, speed and direction of travel of a maximum of 256 targets. Fitted with the Geforce4 developed supercomputer, it provides an effective means of engagement, armed with the supersonic Orel radar-guided anti tank guided missiles, which have a range of 12.5km.

The Hi-58 is fitted with a pilot night vision sensor and target aqcuisition sight.

The Hi-58 is fitted with chaff and flare dispensers, a radar warning system, laser warning-reciever, and infrared countermeasures system.

Armament
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The Hi-58 is armed with the two-barrled Gsh-23M 23mm chaingun, which fires at a rate of 3,000 rounds per minute. The Gsh-23M weighs just over 50 kilograms, or 2/3 the weight of the Apache's chaingun. 900 rounds are stored for the Gsh-23M.

The Hi-58 is capable of carrying a wide variety of weapons: AA-11 Archer or AA-14 Agile AAM's, AT-16 Vikhr or similar ATGM's, rocket pods, or 50 kilogram bombs. In its internal weapons bay, the Hi-58 can carry 8 50kg bombs or up to 8 ATGM's. Externally it can carry up to 24 ATGM's, as well as 2 rocket pods and 2 AAM's. If necessary, the Hi-58 can drop 250kg bombs.

Engines
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The Ka-50 is powered by two TV3-117VMU turboshafts engines each providing 2,500hp. The engines are placed on either side of the fuselage to enhance the combat survivability. The helicopter also has an auxiliary power unit (APU) for self-contained operation.

Ejection Seat
The Hi-58 is fitted with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds, designated K-37-800.

A Hi-58 costs $17.5 million, $15 million for TGB or NCA members.











I will take 50 of the Hi-58

Money wired straight as order confiremed
22-12-2003, 01:01
Confirmed.
26-12-2003, 22:40
Bump for the fixed pics.
Black Shadows
26-12-2003, 23:08
Greetings from the Leadership of Darkwing Vampyres:

We are placing an order for 10 Hi-58 Attack Helicopters. Payment of 1 billion 750 million USD will be wired upon confirmation of order.

Respectfully,

Prince Vlad, Regent of the Confederacy of Darkwing Vampyres
27-12-2003, 01:31
Confirmed.
27-12-2003, 02:48
money wired for Black Shadows weapons order
27-12-2003, 19:20
money wired for Black Shadows weapons order
Excellent, theyre being sent.
Klington
27-12-2003, 21:54
I will buy the production rights please.
~Money Wired~ TG me when order is confirmed.
28-12-2003, 01:55
I will buy the production rights please.
~Money Wired~ TG me when order is confirmed.
Not on sale.
02-01-2004, 23:46
I'll take 100 please. That's $700,000,000.

*Money Wired Upon Confirmation*
02-01-2004, 23:49
I'll take 100 please. That's $700,000,000.

*Money Wired Upon Confermation*
Confirmed