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thread hijacked by "experts"

17-11-2003, 11:07
http://www.iownjoo.com/freeimghost/fick/FLkboat.jpg
:arrow: That is the Armored Gun Cruiser. it can go 35 miles per hour and takes 120 crew (many systems have automation) plus 44 marines and 6-10 aircrew. It has 2 propellers and a deisel engine. Also it has heavy armor much like heavy battleships or tanks and it can survive hits from 5inch guns and some missiles. It also is stealthy because it has few antennas and rails making the cross section less.
It can hold 1 helicopter on the deck but none inside.
Its cheap because of the simple design :)

u cant by anything here go to the other thread to by these ships.
17-11-2003, 11:09
get a better picture and maybe a better price
17-11-2003, 11:10
f--- off i just worked an hour on that
Meulmania
17-11-2003, 11:15
I will give you $10 million no more for that ship.
17-11-2003, 11:16
Why thank you for the free money.
17-11-2003, 11:47
600 million is not what i call "cheap" oh and by the way if you spent an hour on the pic maybe you should spend another hour on the discription it sounds like an 8 year old wrote it :D :D
17-11-2003, 11:49
600 million is not what i call "cheap" oh and by the way if you spent an hour on the pic maybe you should spend another hour on the discription it sounds like an 8 year old wrote it :D :D

((Hey, no need for flaming. If all you have to say is to insult someone, maybe you should rethink posting it.))
Crookfur
17-11-2003, 12:03
Personally the rpice isn't that bad in terms of decent sized vessel essepcially one of criuser size.

in terms of my interest i would perhaps like some more details in terms of actual displacement etc and performance characteristics relating to the 17" guns (range, rate of fire, weight of projectile etc).


Actually its a rather good picture in my opinion.
17-11-2003, 23:50
The displacement of the AGC is 60,000 FLK gramers (no conversion availible into pounds, tons or kilograms)


The range of the 17" cannons is offically 26 FLK miles, actual range is classified. (1 FLK mile = nautical mile)

The weight of projectile is 77 FLK pounces (no conversion available)

The sustained rate of fire is 6 rounds per minute from each cannon, combined it can offer 12 round per minute fire.


Actually its a rather good picture in my opinion.
Thank you.
Artitsa
17-11-2003, 23:59
I thought it was well drawn. I'd like to see you do better.

I would buy some if I didn't already have subsitutes for these.
18-11-2003, 00:04
I would like to see information on your substitute because I think that this is a new class of warship.
Artitsa
18-11-2003, 00:08
Classified. I cannot give out my specifications, Im currently in a battle, and they could prove useful unknown to the enemy :twisted:

But, look for my naval store, you may like it.
19-11-2003, 01:48
http://www.iownjoo.com/freeimghost/fick/FLkboat.jpg
:arrow: That is the Armored Gun Cruiser. it can go 35 miles per hour and takes 120 crew (many systems have automation) plus 44 marines and 6-10 aircrew. It has 2 propellers and a deisel engine. Also it has heavy armor much like heavy battleships or tanks and it can survive hits from 5inch guns and some missiles. It also is stealthy because it has few antennas and rails making the cross section less.
It can hold 1 helicopter on the deck but none inside.
Its cheap because of the simple design :)
In case you are lazy and scrolled down only to see the latest post :P
19-11-2003, 19:29
bump
Clan Smoke Jaguar
19-11-2003, 20:01
The price is definately too low. SM-2s need a good radar after all. If you had been nice enough to tell us the actual displacement, I could give a better estimate, but my best guess is a displacement around 30,000 tons (those guns are too big for a ship that's much lighter), and a cost in the range of $1.2-1.5 billion.
Also, large naval guns like that would top at little more than 2 rounds per minute. If you have something that can load 17" shells that fast, you're going to need to go into much better detail on it, as there's nothing even close IRL, and pulling an ROF like that off would be extremely difficult.

And there's no point in providing fantasy measurements like that if you don't convert them into more recognizable ones. All you'll do is generate confusion, making others steer clear of the design due to lack of information.

The pic isn't half bad, but the turret really shouldn't be above the bridge. For real turrets, the part you see on the exterior is just the tip of the iceberg. The structure actually extends a few dozen meters below the deck, housing mechanisms and ammunition. Plus the blast from firing the main guns would likely damage the bridge if they were fired forward.
Having the gun in the center also generates a huge vunlerability. An ammunition explosion would be almost guaranteed to finish off the ship and its entire crew.
19-11-2003, 20:09
The armed republic of Kazaakisthans Ministry of Defence would like to purchase two.

The money will be loaded into a armed courier plane and flown to your national treasury. Our proposed crew will then parachute down onto the deck.

We are on a very tight budget at the moment.

We are planning to develop a powerfull navy. Currently our special forces are very efficient...

ooc: geuss which country i come from.
19-11-2003, 20:10
You see the audience I am dealing with, they only want to pay 10 million for my ship, the NS price market is overly cheaper then the real one, and who cares anyway its not real money.

As for the turret position the bridge stops where the turret begins, as I said its a very automated system with few bridge crew.

We have a very good steam powered autoloader with a spiral magazine type loading system.

Find a way to pierce the armor before you worry about an ammunition explosion.





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Order by Kassakstaan confirmed
Nianacio
19-11-2003, 20:13
Nianacio
19-11-2003, 20:14
You see the audience I am dealing with, they only want to pay 10 million for my shipIf they keep that attitude, they won't get any ships.
the NS price market is overly cheaper then the real oneNah. All the ridiculous prices are really for non-functioning scale models.
and who cares anyway its not real money.Lots of people...