NationStates Jolt Archive

After reviewing an international list of nation claims the Star League has found that not only have no nations claimed Kansas but none have claimed any of the midwest. The states we have claimed are listed left-to-right, north-to-south: North and South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Misouri, Illinois, Oklahoma, Arkasas, Texas, and Louisiana. These states represent some of the most productive and valuable pieces of land anywhere in the US and we were shocked to find them unclaimed, but what's one's loss is another's gain.

The reason that no one has claimed that piece of land is that most are looking at other planets to own

A mod already has claimed it :roll:

Just for a reference, this is a map showing our claims:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/330079/united-states.jpg

Also, to protect this claim we are sending in the SLDF II Corp. This formation includes two Battlemech Divisions, seven various Infantry Divisions, and two independant Dragoon Regiments. Also, we'll be sending a battlegroup from the Expeditionary Scout Fleet and two Leviathan transports, as such some of their aerospace compliments will be based on our new territories.

You claimed Louisiana. :mrgreen: I'm sure you will get much out of Louisiana, sugar cane and timber being very abundant. :wink:

((I live in Louisiana))

EDIT: May I add that your claiming of the Midwest is looked upon with great happiness. :wink:

Go ahead, claim the lands. We'd like to see you conquer them too. I doubt the Midwest United States will recognize your claims as legitimate, more likely they will laugh their asses off when the realize that a nation of Scandavia is attempting to conquer them.

Good luck transporting supplies and troops to the area and paying for such a campaign. We wish you well.

Ha!

King Priam
-The Imperial Kingdom of Troy-

weird

A mod already has claimed it :roll:

Really, then perhaps you can explain why that player isn't refuting the claims to several states east and west of my claims?

PS- I don't give a damn if that player is a mod, it has no relevence in RP.

Go ahead, claim the lands. We'd like to see you conquer them too. I doubt the Midwest United States will recognize your claims as legitimate, more likely they will laugh their asses off when the realize that a nation of Scandavia is attempting to conquer them.

Good luck transporting supplies and troops to the area and paying for such a campaign. We wish you well.

Ha!

King Priam
-The Imperial Kingdom of Troy-

OOC: I also don't give a damn what a region is called, unless they have RP'ed their claims then they don't exist.

PS- If you're going to insult my heritage, make sure you can at least spell the RL region's name right, it's Scandinavia.

You claimed Louisiana. :mrgreen: I'm sure you will get much out of Louisiana, sugar cane and timber being very abundant. :wink:

((I live in Louisiana))

EDIT: May I add that your claiming of the Midwest is looked upon with great happiness. :wink:

OOC: I'd hope so, being from Kansas and all (even though I currently reside in a hell known as Michigan. Oh well, at least it isn't Misery.)

<OOC: :roll: *Ahem* Do you really think that the Americans living in the Midwest United States (IC-wise, not region-wise) would really just say 'Sure, come right on in and conquer us!'? No, they would organize a resistance against invaders/imperialists such as yourself.

Now logistics:

First, you need a launching point for this invasion... and I doubt it very much that Mexico and Canada would just allow you to use their lands to launch an invasion of their American allies. Really. So that means you'll either need to make a dropship landing, sea-landing, or even a paratrooper landing.
Ok, say you make a sea-landing, first you'll need to encounter their navy and air force. After that, their forces will most definitely be massed at across the coastline. Now you have to fight your way to make a landing.
Supplies and equipment: you're from Scandinavia, right? Well, you better have an ally close-by the Midwest US if you plan on delivering enough fuel, food, tools, and ammunition to your armies in the Midwest US.
You're gonna have to secure all the major cities in those states. That's a hell of alot of land and millions of people to fight off.


Now, factor in the costs transport ample supplies and troops to the Midwest, the cost of the supplies themselves, and the soldier pay. I hope you have a big savings account.>

The Empire of Reniban does not care greatly that the Scandinavian States wishes to control the Midwest USA

<OOC: :roll: *Ahem* Do you really think that the Americans living in the Midwest United States (IC-wise, not region-wise) would really just say 'Sure, come right on in and conquer us!'? No, they would organize a resistance against invaders/imperialists such as yourself.

Firstly, he's not conquering it. He's simply occupying it, because no one has challenged his claims. Not only that, more than 5 different nations claim to occupy Europe, so dogging him is silly.

Now logistics:
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First, you need a launching point for this invasion... and I doubt it very much that Mexico and Canada would just allow you to use their lands to launch an invasion of their American allies. Really. So that means you'll either need to make a dropship landing, sea-landing, or even a paratrooper landing.

You're being silly. NS isn't just one parallel. :roll:
Say you make a sea-landing, first you'll need to encounter their navy and air force. After that, their forces will most definitely be massed at across the coastline. Now you have to fight your way to make a landing.

He's a space nation, no water navy. :?

Supplies and equipment: you're from Scandinavia, right? Well, you better have an ally close-by the Midwest US if you plan on delivering enough fuel, food, tools, and ammunition to your armies in the Midwest US.

He's a space nation. He doesn't need to do all that. :roll:


You're gonna have to secure all the major cities in those states. That's a hell of alot of land and millions of people to fight off.

Who said he was fighting? Who said anyone lived there? Who said that he doesn't know how to secure the midwest? :roll:

Now, factor in the costs transport ample supplies and troops to the Midwest, the cost of the supplies themselves, and the soldier pay. I hope you have a big savings account.>

I hope you realize that his budget is $6 trillion. :roll:

You're dogging him for settling the midwest. Under your claims, I could argue that you should RP your settling of whatever land you own. You would have to fight off anyone that existed on that land in the real world.

Don't be ridiculous. :roll:

OOC: Thank you for setting the n00b straight, IdP. I was prepared to write an essay on why he was incorrect on all of his assumptions, I'm glad I didn't have to do that.

Um, I hereby claim Oregon, since I live there and I dont want anybody else to have it.
I also would like to know if anybody would mind my glassifying California, those arrogant bastards, think theyre better just because they have more 'electoral votes' :D

How does he have a $6 T budget? Wouldn't his entire economy and society collapse due to inflation? Space nations can't just decide to drop in because they have spacecraft (i know, i am one), they would have to plan the exact timing for a dropship to land. also how about the dropships get shot down? he has nothing on the ground so he can't possibly land much out of a lot. Simply put, the Midwest US has a better chance of winning.

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Firstly, he's not conquering it. He's simply occupying it, because no one has challenged his claims.

Oh, he's occupying it as opposed to conquering it, is he? So the Americans are not going to fight back because he is only occupying their homeland as opposed to conquering it? Please.

Not only that, more than 5 different nations claim to occupy Europe, so dogging him is silly.

The NationStates Universe is unique. There are more than one Europes and North Americas and whatever continent exists. There are also different timeframes and completely new continents. So anyone who claims those areas must do the same thing as any nation with common sense does: CONQUER THEM! OCCUPY THEM! Whatever!

The only exception would be if you roleplayed as a real-life nation or region.

He's a space nation, no water navy. :?

Then he still needs to pay for the costs of a space operation and the transportation of troops, supplies, and equipment from space. A bit more costly too? Yes. Easier to transport? Yes.

He's a space nation. He doesn't need to do all that. :roll:

Then I'll laugh when his troops starve to death... I'm a future-tech nation, does that mean I don't have to feed my troops or supply them? :roll:


Who said he was fighting? Who said anyone lived there? Who said that he doesn't know how to secure the midwest? :roll:

Last time I checked people lived there, unless he roleplays as a post-Apocalypse nation where everyone died...

I hope you realize that his budget is $6 trillion. :roll:

Wow! So he can get away with operations this large without paying? A large space-based operation would cost quite alot, especially when it involves an area as large as the Midwest America.

You're dogging him for settling the midwest. Under your claims, I could argue that you should RP your settling of whatever land you own. You would have to fight off anyone that existed on that land in the real world.

I did. I stated that Troy gained independence and built itself up. When I annexed Gibraltar, I roleplayed the invasion. That's how a realistic RP works.

And SS, do you even know what a n00b is? A n00b is a godmoder, crappy RPer, flamer, spammer, whatever. I've been around on NS longer than you may think.>

Um, I hereby claim Oregon, since I live there and I dont want anybody else to have it.
I also would like to know if anybody would mind my glassifying California, those arrogant bastards, think theyre better just because they have more 'electoral votes' :D

OOC:

1. That post is OOC, please mark it so.
2. There's a thread that has the claims of RL territory by NS nations, go ask there.
3. Since I know for a fact that someone currently occupies California, you'll have to ask him/her.
4. Don't hijack my threads, that annoys me.

Melecamer made a 30 page long rp thread about it, even ask her

Melecamer made a 30 page long rp thread about it, even ask herExactly, Menelmacar made a long roleplay out of it. That's realistic. And remember, NS exists in different dimensions/universes/whatever so there is more than one America, Europe, Asia, etc.

I have no problem with SS conquering/occupying the Midwest, he just has to do it the right way.

My two cents.

You claimed Louisiana. :mrgreen: I'm sure you will get much out of Louisiana, sugar cane and timber being very abundant. :wink:

((I live in Louisiana))

EDIT: May I add that your claiming of the Midwest is looked upon with great happiness. :wink:

OOC: I'd hope so, being from Kansas and all (even though I currently reside in a hell known as Michigan. Oh well, at least it isn't Misery.)


OOC: I also live in the hell called Michigan. Doesn't the weather just suck?

Troy: There are no Americans because there is no United States, there's just land. Also, you are making presumptions about the tech I use that are incorrect, the largest ships in my navy are supply and personel transport ships, one of them can carry enough food to give every person in the RL United States at least three solid meals a day for a month.

PS- You've been here a month, congrats. From what I've seen you're also an excellent RPer, but that doesn't mean you don't have things to learn.

Every other naysayer: This isn't a thread to chime in on the logistics of an operation like this, I know perfectly well what my tech can do and since none of you except IdP have ever rp'ed with me, you don't. Since I'm getting annoyed, please take this to telegram if you feel you must keep talking. Now, begone from my thread.

Actually, I've been here since March. :wink:

Anyway, so you are ingnoring the existance of America or its inhabitants? How conveniant.

There doesn't have to be an America or Britain in your nation's universe, but they do exist in the NS World overall. Ever wonder why and how so many nations can use Russian and American technology? Or speak French and Italian? That implies that these nations recognize the existance of their RL counterparts.

Note about your supply ships: so each cargo ship carries about 25 billion or so <if I calculated right> of MRE's? Woah...

Melecamer made a 30 page long rp thread about it, even ask her

OOC: In that case I really don't give a shit, I've gotten to the point where I ignore anything in NS based on Tolkien, if for no other reason than the insufferable "holier-than-thou" attitude that Melkor and Ma-tek have.

Troy: I have neither the time nor the will to make a big-ass RP out of claiming some territory, I'm not into the story aspect like Melkor and Menelmacar are.

Well, don't claim the lands until you have the time. :wink: This is an RP forum, if you're going to make a commitment to something, might as well go through with it. Oh well. Just do it next time, please. :P

Actually, I've been here since March. :wink:

Anyway, so you are ingnoring the existance of America or its inhabitants? How conveniant.

There doesn't have to be an America or Britain in your nation's universe, but they do exist in the NS World overall. Ever wonder why and how so many nations can use Russian and American technology? Or speak French and Italian? That implies that these nations recognize the existance of their RL counterparts.

I'm ignoring the government body known as the United States, I of course acknowledge that the land is there and as far as I am concerned the people are already my citizens. Like I said, if I had the time and will to do a long RP I would, but it's a Sunday and school has been kicking my ass of late. Maybe some day I'll do a history RP.

About my supply ships: 300 thousand tons and change plus they can carry 250,000 troops at the same time. Really big ships but not much in the way of weapons.

[SS, you need any help here? I've got +/- 50M troops that would love securing my home of Illinois.]

That's too much. You can post three armored divisions, two mechanized divisions, and a strategic bomber squadron in Illinois. I would prefer that you post at least half of that force at St. Louis, it has a very high strategic value.

Anatex encompasses all of Texas, Fort Worth is our capital... I suggest you reconsider your claims unless you are willing to spill blood.

After reviewing an international list of nation claims the Star League has found that not only have no nations claimed Kansas but none have claimed any of the midwest. The states we have claimed are listed left-to-right, north-to-south: North and South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Misouri, Illinois, Oklahoma, Arkasas, Texas, and Louisiana. These states represent some of the most productive and valuable pieces of land anywhere in the US and we were shocked to find them unclaimed, but what's one's loss is another's gain.
Actually, Menelmacar has claimed those for some time.

Sorry.

If you insist on it, then obviously it's a different North America, of which there are nearly countless copies on this weird-ass planet.

~Siri

Menelmacar: It must be, because there happen to be several nations previously on my US (see RL Nation Claims thread). As I said earlier, I don't recognize Tolkien nations anyway, so my claims have no bearing on you and vice versa.

Anatex: I politely suggest you reconsider that statement for the simple fact that you would be attacking three nations, all of which have more advanced tech than you and one of which is a billion pop nation. Have no doubt that we'd crush you just for interfering. [Besides which you haven't made that claim in the RL Nation Claims thread. For your sake I think you should realize you're on another Texas]

Nah, you're the one who's living on "another Texas". :wink:


http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=texas



http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=texas


http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=texas

lol

[You aren't living in Siri's Texas, she'd kick your ass if you claimed that. You also aren't living in my Texas or United States because you haven't made a claim to it in the RL Nation Claim thread. Like I said earlier, you're outclassed by a long shot.]

I don't recognize Tolkien nations anyway

M is hardly a Tolkien nation ;)

You should find NS nations that occupy the states u want, and RP an invasion.
But since you don't exist yet, (your future tech therefore non-existant in the present world) I don't see how this sould have any bearing on modern nations of Nation States.

[I've never liked the logic that since a nation is "future tech" they must have always been future tech and therefor don't "exist yet". As it stands, the only person to have RP'ed the possesion of the Midwest US is a nation I don't recognize. Therefor, it wouldn't make sence to invade nothing. Altaran, I do believe Siri is based on Tolkien.]

Never mind, I think I'm just going to this into a wargame with the members of the Star League.