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Freedom Country proposes that we start a project to creat a new mobile 155mm artillery unit. We have seen that there is currently a 155mm Helicopter Borne Mobile Artillery Unit in the works, and are keeping an interest in that. But what we want is a heavy duty Self Proppeled Artillery Unit, that is more modern than most.

We have our own Rocket Artllery (The FT-165) but are lacking a decent Self Proppeled artillery unit. Our curretn one used is the one Crookfur designed when I was, I think, 1 month old. Ages ago, anyway.

Seeign that we have little experience in this field, we wish for help from other countries, in an international project. This would also cut costs (we are down to 3.5 Trillion now) and raise the quality. As we wish to have the best Artillery Unit for some time, we want your help.

Rocket Artillery Makes up the most of our arsenal, it has held little priority until now. We now are looking for something to surpass the FT-9 Bardi:

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/FC/bardi.jpg

Weight: 45tons
Crew: 3 (driver, gunner, commander)
Engine: CFPW T442
Max speed: 85kph
Range: 500km
Weapon: 160mm howitzer (range 37km with basic ammo) can fire M11 ATGMs
Ammo: 20 160mm rounds, 4 ATGMs
Armour:
Turret: 150mm
Body: 200mm all round
Survivability: smoke dischargers, IR Signature reduction
Systems: Fire control computer with battery and command level data/ coms links, Fire detection radar, fire direction radar, remote targeting for guided rounds and ATGMS, ATGM fire control.


An help or partners are welcome, though more experienced nations will be looked for. Oh, and DT, no you cant join. Sorry, had enough of you.

While we have no need for a trackd systeme due to our excellent Ferrussian Crusaders we areconsidering a wheeled artillery project with a longer barrelled gun, more range and mobility but not as well armoured:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/dana-sph1.jpg

While we have no need for a trackd systeme due to our excellent Ferrussian Crusaders we areconsidering a wheeled artillery project with a longer barrelled gun, more range and mobility but not as well armoured:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/dana-sph1.jpg

We understand youa re proud of your current system, though we have little interest in purchasing. Your projected project looks good, though we do not want a part....sorry. It looks a it hefty and we have no role for it, as we are an established air power.

Sorry, and thansk for thinking however.

we will help with EW systems as this is where we are most experianced.
We can include RADAR, GPS and an internal/external analiser to cut down on problems with engines as well as looking after engine temperature/fuel consumption.
When youve finished this could i please have permission to manufactoring rights(i wont sell them, and only use my troops if i lend them for a war etc)?
if not then could i buy some of them?

we will help with EW systems as this is where we are most experianced.
We can include RADAR, GPS and an internal/external analiser to cut down on problems with engines as well as looking after engine temperature/fuel consumption.
When youve finished this could i please have permission to manufactoring rights(i wont sell them, and only use my troops if i lend them for a war etc)?
if not then could i buy some of them?

Your offer to help has been entered.

Expect to see if you have a part by Sunday night, as I know someone who might be doing EW.

And Artillery doesnt have Radar...

Actually the 160mm gun is still rather good, it outranges most 155mm weapons.

it did eventually get mounted on the Bowman but then it has been further upgraded with stuff from the crusader/AGS/VGS programs and the bowman is currently awaiting approval for our first land mounted 160mm ECT howitzers.

Anway what you likely really need is mainly a lighter chassis.

As ever if you need us just shout

yours
Crookfur, your freindly neighbourhood arms dealer.

Actually the 160mm gun is still rather good, it outranges most 155mm weapons.

it did eventually get mounted on the Bowman but then it has been further upgraded with stuff from the crusader/AGS/VGS programs and the bowman is currently awaiting approval for our first land mounted 160mm ECT howitzers.

Anway what you likely really need is mainly a lighter chassis.

As ever if you need us just shout

yours
Crookfur, your freindly neighbourhood arms dealer.

:lol: Friendly Neighbourhood arms dealer.......

Anyway, I was thinking a lighter base too. Dont know what else.

Go to http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92717&highlight= for a better Howitzer :)

Go to http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92717&highlight= for a better Howitzer :)

Looks nice, but not what I need.

And I am developing my own.

i meant to see if there are enemy aircraft.
so that you can have defence against helicopters by the time they arrive.

The United Socialist States of Zvarinograd would like to offer it's usual set of electronic warfare and it's series of super-lightweight AZ-CMT composite armour to Freedom Country for use on the artillery.

AZ-T-III ECM 7446 EW suite

Radar-Detection and Jammer
The AN/ALQ-136(V)2 CMS is designed for the Special Electronics Mission Aircraft (SEMA) and the Special Operations Aircraft (SOA) -- RC-12, MH-47E, MH-60K, EH-60A. This CMS is programmed to respond to the pulse radar signals of the most critical threat weapon system anticipated to be encountered by SEMA and SOA in a hostile environment. It can operate against multiple threat weapons systems simultaneously. It has programmable modules, covers a broader frequency range than the (V)1 CMS and has built-in preplanned product improvement capabilities. The AN/ALQ-136(V)2 CMS consists of three types of line replaceable units (LRUs). These LRUs include one receiver/transmitter (RT) assembly, one control indicator assembly and four antennas. The RT assembly utilizes state-of-the-art gate array and gallium arsenide lightweight circuit boards. The total system weight is 72 pounds.

Russian Aviaconversia GPS and GLONASS Jammer
THE GPS/GLONASS JAMMER HAS AN OUTPUT POWER OF 4 WATTS AND CAN EFFECTIVELY DENY USE OF GPS IN AN AREA RANGING AS FAR AS 150-200 KM. DR. ANTONOV SAID THAT HE HAS ALREADY WORKED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RUSSIAN MILITARY WITH DIRECTIONAL ANTENNAS FOR HIS JAMMER SO THAT IT CAN BE USED TO DIRECTIONALLY JAM WHILE MAINTAINING SAFE AREAS FOR FRIENDLY FORCES TO ACCESS GPS OR GLONASS. THE COEFFICIENT OF ANTENNA AMPLIFICATION RANGES FROM 2-5, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF ANTENNA USED. THE ELECTRICAL INPUT SUPPLY IS EITHER BATTERY OR DC LINE VOLTAGE. DR. ANTONOV PRODUCED BOTH 15 V AND 6 V SUPPLIES THAT RAN OFF OF 230 VOLTS LINE INPUT. THE JAMMER DISSIPATES 25 WATTS WHEN IN USE AND WEIGHS BETWEEN 8-12 KG WITHOUT BATTERIES, DEPENDING ON THE CONFIGURATION. IN THE FRONTAL VIEW OF THE JAMMER SHOWN IN BOTH ENCL 1 AND 2, TWO KNOBS CAN BE SEEN AT THE BASE. THE LEFT KNOB IS FOR FREQUENCY MODULATION, AND RANGES FROM 0-6 MHZ. THE RIGHT KNOB IS FOR "VELOCITY CHANGE OF MODULATION" AND RANGES FROM 44-270 HZ. A PORTION OF THE ABOVE DATA IS CONTAINED IN ENCL 3, WHICH IS IN RUSSIAN. THE RO HAD ENCL 3 LOOSELY TRANSLATED, VERBALLY.

IR Detection/Missle System Jammer
The AN/ALQ-144A(V)3 CMS is the upgrade version of the AN/ALQ-144(V)3. It is an active, continuously operating, omni-directional and electrically fired infrared (IR) jammer. This CMS is designed for use on AH-1F and AH-64A/D helicopters to confuse or decoy threat IR missile systems. The AN/ALQ-144A(V)3 CMS is designed to provide jamming of all known IR threat missile systems when operated on helicopters equipped with low reflective paint and engine exhaust suppressors. The AN/ALQ-144A(V)3 CMS consists of a transmitter assembly and an operator control unit (OCU) with dual capabilities. The OCU controls both the AN/ALQ-136(V)1/5 and the AN/ALQ-144(V)3 or AN/ALQ-144A(V)3. The OCU has a 25-pin connector assembly. The total system weight is 30 pounds.

Combining these three jamming systems, the United Socialist States of Zvarinograd has developed an electronic warfare suite that can pound even the latest detection systems to oblivion, bringing a unpiercable shroud over the vehicle.

AZ-CMT III Null-Radar Composite Armor
- Radar-Adsorbent Materials
- Characterization of Advanced Organic Fibers
- Stress Wave Prediction and Management in Functionally Graded Materials
- Friction Effects on Fabric Structures
- Application of Genetic Algorithms to Composite Analysis and Design
- Carbides as Hard Coating Materials for Polymers, Metals and Ceramics
- Composite Damage Mechanisms
- Armor Model Mechanisms
- Easy Repair of Hybrid Composite Structures
- Photonic Bandgap Materials for Controlled Emissivity Surfaces
- Frequency-Dependent Damping Characteristics of Composites
- Hybrid Materials
- Flexible Polymeric Light-Emitting Diodes*
- Nanoparticulate Composite Liquid Shear-Thickening

*For use when the vehicle is disabled, the armor becomes a rescue beacon. An interesting and weird development by Dr. Sergei Valkov.

Ha! SPARTENS military Howitzer is 10x better than yours

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93484&highlight=

click the first link

OOC:
Rude.

Your actions summed up in one word, what do you expect for Freedom Country to say or do? A direct negative economic campaign isn't usually effective. Buyers become attracted to the sympathy, actually helping him and making it worse for your own buisiness.

you want radar on artillery - it really helps with counterbattery fire, and accuracy. You use it to plot the trajectory of the shell, yours or theirs, and can then fire down the line back at them, before theirs hits (and be more accurate) or if checking yours, fire one - check to see if it will hit (before impact) and then volley the rest off before the first one hits :-)

Here is the artillery platform that my armed forces use:

The gun, which does not require stabilising spades, is equipped with a recoil and hydrogas suspension system which allows the turret to traverse and fire through the full 360°. A Dynamic Reference Unit (DRU) and electronic compensation for tilt of the vehicle are used for accurate orientation of the weapon system.
The layer's station is equipped with a Direct Fire Sight from Avimo (now part of Thales Optronics) for direct day and night firing. For indirect firing an Automatic Gun Laying System (AGLS) with electronic elevation and traverse drives provide laying to an accuracy of 1 mil (angle 3.375 minutes) and rapid target engagement. The Layer's Display Unit (LDU) was designed by VSEL. The commander's station is equipped with a separate sight.
The AS90 is fitted with BAE Systems Laser Inertial Artillery Pointing System (LINAPS) digital gun sight. LINAPS provides the gunner with the position of the gun and the exact bearing and elevation of the barrel. It includes the FIN3110 ring-laser gyro based, strap-down, Inertial Navigation Unit (INU) with embedded military Global Positioning System.
The vehicle is of all-welded steel armour construction, which is rated to withstand impact by 7.62mm and 14.5mm armour piercing shells and 152mm shell fragments.

The Desert AS90 has a thermal cover installed on the turret roof and solar reflective paint. The thermal blanket provides protection for the crew against hot metal burns
The vehicle is powered by a 800hp V8 diesel engine from Cummins, coupled to a ZF Gears Ltd automatic transmission with four forward and two reverse gears. The Desert AS90 features enhanced engine, transmission oil and auxiliary power unit cooling systems and also a Diehl 940 pin track for better handling in sandy terrain.
An automated loading system enables the gun to fire with a burst rate of 3 rounds in under 10 seconds, an intense rate of 6 rounds per minute in three minutes and a sustained rate of 2 rounds per minute.

AS 90 155mm - Self Propelled Howitzer
Crew 4;
Length 9.07m:
Width 3.3m;
Height 3.0m overall;
Armour 17mm;
Calibre 155mm;
Range (52 cal) 40 kms; Extended Range Ordnance/Modular Charge System (ERO/MCS)
Rate of Fire 3 rounds in 10 secs (burst) 6 rounds per minute (intense) 2 rounds per minute (sustained);
Secondary Armament 7.62mm MG;
Ammunition Carried 48 x 155 mm projectiles and charges (31 turret & 17 hull);
Engine turbo-charged V8 diesel 800hp;
Max Speed 70 kph; Road Range 520 kms.
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I don't suggest you use it exactly rather take the appropriate systems and features from it so as to develop the most suitable artillery platform. I would be quite willing to assist in any matters I can relating to the AS90. It all depends in what role you intend to use the artillery, an easily deployable artillery piece capable of supporting a changing situation and lay down fire quickly or for a more sustained fire role which would be suitable for artillery in a more secure position.

Thanks guys.

Tom Joad, you are in if you want.

Sparten, piss off.

Zv, I know we are part of a lot but do you want a part? We love your EW stuff.

Armacor, do you want a part?

We would be most willing to join your team and hope this first step to co-operation is but one of many between our two nations.
As for details we suggest that a technical team visit our armoury stocks so as to provide your own view of the AS90. Further requirements can be met once a full team is assembled.

Tom Joad Executive Committee

Buolding will start immediately.

Our forces are rather low on artillery, especially heavy artillery. If at all possible I would like to assist in producing the new artillery. If there is no way I can help with the design, I will provide money for research and development.

thanks for the offer, but not at this time...

i am playing a big part in WWIX, (including some of the admin for it, like the map) so i dont really have much time left :-)

We would gladly take part in this program, if you would rather choose our help instead of the nation of Buckaro.

Dr. Sergei Valkov
Head Research of Valkonezh Research Complex
Advisor to the Premier
United Socialist States of Zvarinograd

Okay.

First, an origonal concept picture :)

Soemthing other than one of my cut and shunts then...

Crookfur, you gotta part.

Lol, we cant find a pic no one else has we will use a Copy and Paste