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That are capable to hold VTOL equipped aircraft.
Oh and does anyone sell aircraft capable to be launched from normal carriers?

Mama Phr0g Space Carriers are able to hold anything! Space fighters, aircraft, land vehicles, and more! Chack out the Froggyliciousness Space Storefront! (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89500)

I need the oceanbound kind :twisted: thanks anyway

Why do you need ocean bound when you could fly anywhere on the planet?

The EM-150 Dolphin/Piotr Hotamel class was developed by The Elias Marine Corporation and Bisonic Defence Initiatives Agency (BDIA) in a response to a requirement for an amphibious assault ship that could also perform the role of a light aircraft carrier and sea control ship. This is the first of hopefully many more joint ventures between the Bisons and United Elias.

The ship is highly capable and features modern defence systems such as the Sea Javelin missile system and SLQ-32 Jamming suite. The ship is designed to be extremely flexible as it can be used in either the amphibious role, the helicopter assault role or as a light aircraft carrier.

-Name: EM-150/Piotr Hotamel
-Class: Assault ship (LHD)
-Displacement: 24,800 tons
-Length: 772 feet
-Width: 115 feet
-Compliment: 923
-Propulsion: 4x 12,000 hp Gas Turbines driving two shafts and a bow thruster.
-Max Speed: 26 kts
-Armament: 6 Ak-603 CIWS 6000 rpm 30mm cannons, 2 sets of 8 cell Mk 29 launchers for Sea Javelin SAM (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35421)


-Aircraft: up to 20 ‘slots’ for VSTOL aircraft (such as F-35, Yak-141, sea Harrier) or medium helicopters (such as Puma, Blackhawk, Mi-17 etc) in any combination. Large helicopters such as the (CH-53E or CH-47) would take up two ‘slots’ and smaller helicopters such as Hueys or Cobras would take up about 3/4 of a ‘slot’ etc. Up to two Mi-26s can be accommodated on deck but not in the hangar. 12 degree ski jump included.

-Military Lift:
Well deck can accommodate up to three LCACs or six smaller landing craft.
Ship can accommodate up to 1,070 troops.
Cargo hold has 22,000 square feet of vehicle stowage space
-Countermeasures: 6 SROC 6 barreled Mk36 Chaff launchers, SLAQ-25 torpedo decoys, and SLQ-32 electronic intercept jammers.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/Luigi-Einaudi-NUM.jpg
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/num/images/num_model2.jpg
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/num_takeoff1.jpg


EM-150/ Piotr Hotamel class: $1.2 billion

(if you require helicopters for your vessel please click here:
EA-24 Multipurpose helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40824)
EA-26 Attack Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68324&highlight=)
EA-28 Light/Scout Special Forces Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66401))

The Elias Marine Corporation has finally completed fitting out the first of an initial two aircraft carriers for the Elias Navy. This project unlike any other in Elias history has involved every single military equipment corporation in the nation and has been a massive effort to create ships that are not only exceedingly capable but also flexible to future requirements.


Design

The design of the President Victor was a collaboration of various ideas from the Elias Marine Corporation, Elias Aerospace and requirements from the ministry of Procurement and Export as well as of course the Elias Navy. Some technical experience was also gained after a team of engineers visited a new Ferrussian ‘Riga’ class vessel. Intelligence information gathered from other nations projects was also considered in order to make the final design one of the most carefully though through in the world.

The ship is designed to accommodate approximately 55 aircraft and will eventually operate the EA-220 Joint Tactical Bomber (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73661&highlight=) and the EA-60 Carrier Support Aircraft (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74543). As yet howver the Navy has yet to choose the standard combat aircraft for the ships and this decision is expected to delay the ships commissioning.
The ship is equipped with three catapults, five arresting wires and two large aircraft elevators as well as five other smaller elevators for fuel and munitions.

The other primary role other than to support the operation of aircraft is to act as a fleet flagship, therefore a large emphasis is placed on integrated command centers, a huge array of communications equipment and battle management sensors. The ship can support a full flag staff to manage the actions of a surface fleet and amphibious operations.

Special Features

The EM-220 Victor class Carrier features a few new systems that are not entirely obvious but worth mentioning:



Integrated Information System
Supports the transfer and integration of voice, video and data information between audio, video and computer sys-tems. Key features include common and standard operating systems, network functions, communication protocols, interfaces and message structure.

Fiber-Optic Backbone
Single, integrated, commercial and military standard compliant physical grid supporting communications between systems/equipment via fiber-optic cables and electric-to-optic conversion devices. Key feature is providing end-to-end connections using ruggedized commercial off-the-shelf components.

Multifunctional Embedded Antennas
Reconfigurable, multiple apertures electronically combined to provide an antenna tunable across wide frequency band-width and sensitivity parameters. The apertures may be embedded in composite materials integral to the ship structure and may include combined or separate transmit and receive modules. Reduction of the number of antenna systems for commu-nications and radars provides potential to improve performance by avoiding antenna blockages, reducing the structure required to support antenna placement, life-cycle costs and maintenance manpower requirements.

Electromagnetic Catapults: A launch-assist mechanism which propel the aircraft to takeoff velocity using a traveling electromagnetic wave produced by a linear motor. When compared to current steam driven catapults, the electro-magnetic launcher will provide the following benefits: independence from the ship’s propulsion plant, a 50-percent reduction in weight and 65-percent reduction in volume, an increase in energy capacity with a highly controllable acceleration and deceleration profile, an increase in reliability and availability, and a 30-percent decrease in manpower required. This system will also extend aircraft life, as peak loads on the airframe will be reduced This technology is similar to that used to propel high-speed maglev trains.

Weapon Selection and Movement
Integrated family of procedures, magazine design, weapons elevators, passageway layout, information management systems, decision aids and reduced manpower ordnance-handling equipment to increase weapons’ throughput, increase sortie generation rates and minimize risks associated with ordnance handling and stowage.

Advanced Systems for Flight Operations Management
Family of information management and decision aids to facilitate mission planning, aircraft control, aircraft/pilot information upload and download, aircraft turnaround and aircraft launch and recovery. Benefits include: improved aviation safety, significant manning reduction, increased sortie generation rate, flight deck optimization, reduced aircraft support equipment, more efficient maintenance and built-in servicing and support flexibility for follow-on generations of aircraft.

Specifications

Displacement: 72,000 tons full load
Dimensions (feet): 970 x 124 x 36
Main Machinery: Full electric propulsion driven by gas turbines with emergency diesels, driving 4 shafts.
Speed Knots: 30
Range: 8,200nm at 18 knots
Complement: 980 plus approximately 700 air crew . Provision also for up to 70 flag staff.
Armament: 5x Phalanx 20mm CIWS mountings, 3 Mk49 launchers for Ram Surface to Air close in defence missiles. 26 missiles carried in each launcher.
Countermeasures: 4 6 barreled SRBOC launchers, flares, chaff, Nixie Torpedo Decoy
Aircraft: The ship can accommodate approximately 58 aircraft or helicopters.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/cvf-medium0.jpg
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/static/pages/data/gallery/full/1025703710f.jpg
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/cvf-medium1.jpg

More information is available on request.

The Elias Aerospace Coporation (70%), Freedom Country(10%) and Crookfur(20%) are proud to finally unveil EA-60 Carrier Support Aircraft. It was designed as a cure-all airframe that would perform the roles of airborne early warning, anti-submarine operations, electronic warfare as well as being easily convertible to a carrier based refuelling tanker. The aircraft uses many innovative design features such as having no horizontal stabiliser and instead using variable pitch canards to better control landing speeds and improve safety when landing on aircraft carriers.

Design

The EA-60’s airframe uses aluminium-lithium composites to maximise thrust to weight ratio and with variable pitch canards replacing the horizontal stabilisers it offers unequalled controllability and efficiency, crucial for carrier landings. For stowage aboard carriers the aircraft’s wings sweep back flush with the fuselage. Titanium, shock absorbing landing gear and arresting gear produced by Freedom Country limits airframe fatigue during the stressful operations of carrier takeoffs and landings. The design of the aircraft is designed to be relatively low-observable and incorporates RAM coatings and Stealth features to minimise RCS. The flight controls and cockpit developed by Crookfur are highly advanced and allow for a flight crew of only two and unparalleled levels of control and safety. The aircraft is powered by a pair of High Bypass turbofans produced by Elias Precision Engineering and they have proven in tests to be ultra reliable in nearly all enviromental conditions and in conjuction with integrated fuel control systems offer very good fuel economy and performance.


Specifications (All Versions)

Powerplants: 2x EPE-136M High bypass turbofans producing 15,990lb of thrust each.

Performance: (varies slightly between versions)
Max Speed: 510 knots
Cruise Speed: 440 knots
Max Ferry Range: 2100-2800nm
Service Ceiling: 48,000ft
Wing Span: 68.4ft
Length: 62ft
Flight Crew: 2 + version specific mission crew

Crookfur Developed Systems:

Cockpit Fly by light controls, with side by side layout with choice of conventional yoke or fighter style stick control, full glass cockpit with 5 MFDs per station and forward and side wide angle HUDs (helmet disply compatable).

Navigation: full open architecture navigation system with auto pilot, GPS, radio compas and advanced INS

Weapons and missions handling: full open architecture missions software, open standard stores managment system. For self defense giudance a MK5007 Multimode IR/EO system is employed. It features surface surveillance mode with 50x magnification and detection of targets at 180km. In air IRST mode up to 10 targets with ranges of up to 75km can be tracked.

CFES MK20B Warsphere Data link, integrates all onboard systems and provides digital links for
the transmission of data to and from (and through ie using the aircraft as a relay) the aircraft features full voice and other coms systems with high level of encryption.



http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/united_elias/csa-ts0036-12-01_5.jpg
EA-60C AEW Version

Versions

EA-60A Development Prototype/Carrier Logisitics Version
Unit Cost: $36 Million

The EA-60A is a basic version if the aircraft with only the standard systems, instead it has a main cabin equipped to seat 18 passsengers and carry up to 3,400lb of freight. It is therefore smaller than the C-2 Greyhound which it was designed to replace/compliment and the Elias Navy will instead start a new program for a larger COD aircraft.

EA-60B Anti-submarine/Anti-ship Version
Unit Cost: $55 Million

-Armament:

Internal Weapons bay for up to four torpedoes/mines/depth bombs.

Two wing hardpoints for Torpedoes/External fuel tanks or Harpoon/Yakhont/SLAM/Meverick or similar ASMs.

Two wing hardpoints for AIM-9X/ASRAAM/AA-12/similar short range air to air missiles.

Alternatively can be configured as tanker with two wing mounted buddy pods and extra fuel tank in internal weapons bay.

-Systems:

ERS/EM-1134 Sonarbuoy dispenser: internally stores up to 36 sonarbouys/marine markers/noise makers, uses cartridge actuating devices to dispense.

MK2010 Radar (Crookfur): optimised for naval surveillance operations, the MK2010 can detect periscope sized targets at over 200km (and ship size targets at over 500km).

MK8003 MAD (Crookfur)

MK9505 Sonarbuoy handling system (Crookfur): Combines receiver, data interpretation with 128 channel processing and data transmission and display for over 100 sonarbouys.

-Additional Mission Crew: 4


EA-60C Airborne Early Warning Version
Unit Cost: $88 Million

-Armament:

Two wing hardpoints for AIM-9X/ASRAAM/AA-12/similar short range air to air missiles

-Systems

Tail fin mounted CFES MK1205N (Crookfur) surveillance radar. Using electronic ECM resistant scanning the MK1205N offers 360 degree detection of up to 3000 maritime and air targets at ranges out to 350NM (650km) and detailed scanning for fighter sized targets out to 630NM (1100 km).

-Additional Mission Crew: 3


EA-60D Electronic Warfare Version
Unit Cost: $65 Million

-Armament:

Internal Weapons bay for up to two HARM/ALARM or similar Anti-radar missiles

Two wing hardpoints for HARM/ALARM or similar Anti-radar missiles, alternatively can mount ALQ-99 or similar jamming pods.

Two wing hardpoints for AIM-9X/ASRAAM/AA-12/similar short range air to air missiles.

Alternatively can be configured as tanker with two wing mounted buddy pods and extra fuel tank in internal weapons bay.

-Systems:

MK10015 (Crookfur): targetable jamming system with emissions processing and interpretation system. Can provide broad band jamming over a wide range or localised effects against specific targets and also has Electronic Intelligence capability

ERSS-180R Automatic Elint Emitter Locater System (AEELS): intercepts electronic and signals transmissions and automatically sifts the data for useful information. Includes an integrated direction finding system to track the position of radar sites and communication centres.

Additional Mission Crew: 4

Optional Systems (All versions)

-Counter measures suite (freedom Country): dual mode IR/laser dazzler system, active ECM, chaff/flare dispensers, automatic threat detection, wearning and countering system : +3 million

-Air to Air Refueling Probe: +0.5million

thats a realatively small carrier.

Hey, UE, I've been looking for the Early warning birds for carriers! I would like two of each model, please. I believe 488 million credits is in order. *money wired*

I'd like 5 of those carriers. 10 billion right?


*money wired upon confirmation*

I have the normal Nimitz, can hold up to 80 aircraft and can go up to 35 knots. very powerful, very reliable.

1.5 billion USD

My nation requires 3 aircraft carriers. I am interested in the EM-220 and well as the nimitz. How much for the em-220? Send a telegram to my nation and I will happily wire the funds as well as share technology from my fine automotive industry and our burgeoning armored vehicle sector.

Nimitz holds 85 and costs 4 billion :evil:

Nimitz costs around 3.5 Billion

5billion

I have the normal Nimitz, can hold up to 80 aircraft and can go up to 35 knots. very powerful, very reliable.

1.5 billion USD
The Nimitz can hold over 90 aircraft (72 is the norm though), it tops at 31.5 knots (or less), and costs 3 times as much. I would guess you're selling something else.

Yurka if you want a real nimitz instead of carboard ones go to:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91126
other ships too!

CoreWorlds; order confirmed.

okay, here's my list of ships US Navy I've been selling these longer then you've been around so don't start insulting this store thread
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44357&sid=1e34f92f9807f4150b99977a8d93f52d

Clan Smoke Jaguar, the stats I have in the site are the real ones, I didn't look it up, but my production system is different from RL, I produce more faster and cheaper. it works and I make a huge profit. and hundreds of nations have benefited already. working on 1100 posts now, so don't think it's some unapproved thread.

This guy supports slavery, the Government of Kahta wishes that you would not to business with him. (Yurka)

okay, here's my list of ships US Navy I've been selling these longer then you've been around so don't start insulting this store thread
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44357&sid=1e34f92f9807f4150b99977a8d93f52d

Clan Smoke Jaguar, the stats I have in the site are the real ones, I didn't look it up, but my production system is different from RL, I produce more faster and cheaper. it works and I make a huge profit. and hundreds of nations have benefited already. working on 1100 posts now, so don't think it's some unapproved thread.
There's a lot of sources that list a speed of 35+ knot speeds for the Nimitz units, but that's more supposition and rumor than anything else. The Enterprise is the fastest CVN, at 33.6 knots. The Nimitz is 31.5, and the Harry S Truman (the second newest) couldn't even make 31 knots on trials.

The 80 aircraft stat is definately off, as it is a fact that carrier air wings of 88-90 aircraft existed during the cold war, though this is a bit conditional on the space the aircraft take up. 85 is the official number though.

I don't care how good your production is. You can't knock over 2/3 of the cost of a warship and expect to gain a profit. Profits from ships are rather small to begin with, and even with cost cutting, you're not going to be able drop the price more than a few hundred million.

Your argument for the store thread is also rather weak. People like me can't read and reply to every extremely poor price, so we don't try to (especially if it's already a large thread when we first see it), and absurdly low prices naturally attract people who don't realize that you can't be selling them.

my nations is in need of 2 aircraft carriers but would like to purchase the EM-220. Could you please telegram me with the information? I will also purchase 10 EA-60A's but will not put in the order until I know the pricing of the EM-220. Thanks so mcuh.

Relic Regional Storefront: Naval (http://www.freewebs.com/bluebomber/storefrontnaval.htm)

As you can see, we have two carrier types for sale, one light, one heavy. The heavy carrier is overall a very sturdy choice for main-fleet duty, aided by its toughness and fairly heavy armament. The strike carrier comes with heavy recommendation by many nations, and is one of the most tactically flexible vessels in NationStates. Both vessels come equipped with the pinnacle in jamming technology and can give reconnaisance and unmanned vehicles total hell, also giving older cruise missiles a headache.

Overall they are both very fine ships, and we would appreciate your business.

We await your reply.

Sorry for the side hijack.

I'd just like to point out, as far as the Nimitz argument goes.....

1: Published sources regarding actual performance is a bit off. Remember that we're not told everything and that SSNs like the Los Angeles still only travel at speeds "greater than 25 knots". I think the official top speed of the ships are a classified matter, boys and girls. :roll:

2: For the aircraft numbers, while 72 or so leaves a bit of room in a Nimitz nowadays, remember that during the Cold War, aircraft were generally smaller. The A-4 Skyhawk, F-8 Crusader and A-7 Corsair II were generally smaller than the aircraft which replaced them.

okay, first consider this, 10x the number of shipyards US has, 10x the number of workers, producing 5x the number of materials, 15x the number of military materials, minimun wage is 5$/h not 6.75, their's a lot of factors that you have to consider in price...I've made huge profit.

also I use Global Security.org for everything, works like a charm. everything but the price that is. and I only cut 1/2 off, then the sale cut another part off.

okay, first consider this, 10x the number of shipyards US has, 10x the number of workers, producing 5x the number of materials, 15x the number of military materials, minimun wage is 5$/h not 6.75, their's a lot of factors that you have to consider in price...I've made huge profit.

also I use Global Security.org for everything, works like a charm. everything but the price that is. and I only cut 1/2 off, then the sale cut another part off.
Bad logic.
That doesn't do anything close to compensating for your rediculous price. You have made no profit, and would be losing money with every sale. Quite simply, you will not be producing a large nuclear powered carrier for less than $3 billion, and I wouldn't be selling a Nimitz for less than 4. I don't care how you try to rationalize it. You're still going too low.

Sorry for the side hijack.

I'd just like to point out, as far as the Nimitz argument goes.....

1: Published sources regarding actual performance is a bit off. Remember that we're not told everything and that SSNs like the Los Angeles still only travel at speeds "greater than 25 knots". I think the official top speed of the ships are a classified matter, boys and girls. :roll:

2: For the aircraft numbers, while 72 or so leaves a bit of room in a Nimitz nowadays, remember that during the Cold War, aircraft were generally smaller. The A-4 Skyhawk, F-8 Crusader and A-7 Corsair II were generally smaller than the aircraft which replaced them.
This is the 90 aircraft wing I'm talking about:
24 F-14
24 F/A-18C
10 A-6E
4 EA-6B
4 KA-6D
10 S-3B
4 E-2C
2 EKA-3B
6 SH-60F
2 HH-60G
I wouldn't say that's knocking down size too much. In fact, the main increases are with larger aircraft (S-3, F-14).

The "New Empire" Class Supercarrier
http://www.freewebs.com/new_empire/NESS.jpg
(Because I can't image link w/ freewebs.)
Design-Catamaran
Power Plant 4 Johannes/Cummings Pebble bed reactors
Four shafts, eight propellers, with five blades each, with MHD
Length, overall 2,092 feet
Flight Deck Width 404 feet
Beam 268 feet
Displacement Approx. 100,800 tons
Speed 30+ knots
Aircraft 160
Aircraft elevators Eight
Catapults Twelve
Crew Ship's Company: 3,100
Air Wing: 2,980
Armarment-
10 VLS tubes (Mainly for SM-8 Anti-missile)
4 4 tube RAM turrets
Defensive Equipment
Combat Systems SPS-94E 3-D air search radar
SPS-89(V)5 2-D air search radar
3 Mk7 NAI Fire Control

AN/SLQ-550(V)4 active jamming/deception
AN/WLR-9H ESM

Athena-N Stealth System
Cost-$7 billion
(OOC-If the pic doesn't work, copy and paste the URL into the address bar)

Due to Aequito's rudeness to his mighty Emperor Stephen Mussolini, the sub military group, TTDA (Torwissen The Irish Empire Dvaid Blaine Haters Army.) has decied to target the docks of Aequito. This is the same group that fired chemical missles from my ally Morah at the nation of ISNA.

TTDA members, located in Morah have access to their missles silos. At once they fire 2 nerve gas missles and 1 ICBM at the main dock city of Aequito. Revenge for New Chelsea!!

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Freedom Class Aircraft Carrier

A slightly smaller carrier, but has a bigger arnament, is cheaper, and just as deadly. Can launch basic CTOL fighters such as F-16's, F-22's etc.

http://www.mod.uk/img/dpa/cvfbigg1.jpg
http://www.mod.uk/img/dpa/cvfbigg2.jpg

Power Plant Two Nuclear Power Plant (A4W Pressurized Water Reactor)
Four shafts, Four propellers, with five blades each
Length, overall: 1,792 feet (332.85 meters)
Flight Deck Width: 142 feet (76.8 meters)
Beam: 124 feet (40.84 meters)
Displacement Approx.: 65,000 tons empty
Displacement Approx.: 95,000 tons full load
Speed: 30+ knots (34.5+ miles per hour)
Aircraft: 57
Aircraft elevators: 2 Large
Catapults Three
Crew Ship's Company: 2,100
Arnament: 3 AA-2 launchers
6 Phalnax's
2 AA-3 launchers
1 70mm cannon
1 250mm cannon

COST: 3.5 Billion

Defiant Class Aircraft Carrier

Has a smaller arnament than the Freedom Class, but has a larger aircraft capacity, and a bigger crew. Generally deadlier, but more expensive.

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Power Plant Two Nuclear Power Plant (A4W Pressurized Water Reactor)
Four shafts, Four propellers, with five blades each
Length, overall: 1,592 feet (332.85 meters)
Flight Deck Width: 175 feet (76.8 meters)
Beam: 124 feet (40.84 meters)
Displacement Approx.: 59,000 tons empty
Displacement Approx.: 105,000 tons full load
Speed: 30+ knots (34.5+ miles per hour)
Aircraft: 95
Aircraft elevators: 2 Large
Catapults Four
Crew Ship's Company: 3,200
Air Wing: 2,480
Arnament: 4 AA-2 launchers
6 Phalnax's
2 AA-3 launchers
1 70mm cannon

COST: 5 Billion

Sorry for the side hijack.

I'd just like to point out, as far as the Nimitz argument goes.....

1: Published sources regarding actual performance is a bit off. Remember that we're not told everything and that SSNs like the Los Angeles still only travel at speeds "greater than 25 knots". I think the official top speed of the ships are a classified matter, boys and girls. :roll:

2: For the aircraft numbers, while 72 or so leaves a bit of room in a Nimitz nowadays, remember that during the Cold War, aircraft were generally smaller. The A-4 Skyhawk, F-8 Crusader and A-7 Corsair II were generally smaller than the aircraft which replaced them.
This is the 90 aircraft wing I'm talking about:
24 F-14
24 F/A-18C
10 A-6E
4 EA-6B
4 KA-6D
10 S-3B
4 E-2C
2 EKA-3B
6 SH-60F
2 HH-60G
I wouldn't say that's knocking down size too much. In fact, the main increases are with larger aircraft (S-3, F-14).

Yes, I remember those. I've been on Carriers myself. It was actually a rather big surprise to learn that a Tomcat with full wing sweep (but not the oversweep) was almost exactly the same size as the F-4 Phantom II! :shock:

And I'm going to make a partial retraction here. YES, the Nimitzes were designed for 90 aircraft, but they don't because of costs and stuff.