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am i god modding with my millita?

to prevent confusion 'terran' is an adjective used to describe the race of the people of a set of colonies petsburg owns in the andromada galaxy

i have:

Space craft
500 terran fighters
100 terran corvets
50 terran frigates
5 terran dreadnoghts

space equipment
5 defence platforms
3 orbital research sats
1 missile platform
1 gaia sat(used to help control climates in unstable planets)


Vechiles
100 Heavy artillary
50 humvees

troops
100,000 terran robots
2000 human troops

should i reduce these figures or are they ok?

They don't look to bad too me....it's really an opinion thing though

This should be in II or NS, really

Yeah probably, since RP isn't really moderated

bump

I think youre overdoing the space concept a little bit

a space fighter is expensive, both to produce and to maintain

And a dreadnaught? what would the sizes of this little beastie be?

i think you are within the boundrys for your country's age. actually it doesn't sound like a whole lot really. kinda small for a country of your age

Looks good to me, but more detail would be required to tell if your stuff is overpowered or not.

I think you're overdoing the space concept and undermining your ground forces. I suggest scrapping a lot of your space fleet, perhaps to only 50-100 space fighters, 5-20 corvettes, 2-5 frigates, and 0-1 dreadnoughts.

At the same time, I suggest doing a total revamp of your ground forces. More infantry, some tanks and APCs, plus I suggest building a Navy. At the very least, I suggest some guided missile destroyers, and you're well within the requirements to maintain nuclear powered aircraft carriers.

This arrangement will suit you far better for your needs of defense, as space power is rather useless for physically defending your own territory. Besides, people on NS market weapons such as anti-satellite missiles and surface-to-orbit weaponry which can fill your need for a large space fleet.

Hope this helps,

~Ancient Terra~

Corvettes can be seen as either large space fighters or actually a small class of space ship. Either way, you have too many of them... you can't possibly maintain them all, to mainain 500 space fighters you would need to have at least 2500 maintanace crew

I think you're overdoing the space concept and undermining your ground forces.

Who says you NEED ground forces? The Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah have done quite well without them. That has more to do with the fact that they are their own "ground troops", as they born as builders and warriors... That and their society is quite a bit different from the human sort, being an alien species and all.

And you are failing to see the point: HE IS NOT ON EARTH! Who the hell do you think he's going to invade with a crapload of ground troops? Or defend from with those, for that matter? And with all the space nations lurking around, getting invaded on ground isn't really a big problem, having too many of those ground troops when some big and evil looking space fleet comes to visit, now THAT is a more viable problem.

you can't possibly maintain them all, to mainain 500 space fighters you would need to have at least 2500 maintanace crew

And why is that? It's not like technology doesn't progress over time, and he's in Andromeda for crying out loud. And why couldn't he have that 2 500 of maintenance crew for them that you're speaking of? He (supposedly) has more than enough people to be put to do that. 2 500, whilst he has hundreds of millions of people... Hmm... Doesn't sound too bad. Make that 10 000, still doesn't sound so bad. Make that friggin 100 000, and it STILL doesn't sound so bad.

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And a dreadnaught? what would the sizes of this little beastie be?

think Star trek

hmm star trek... not too large then

I was thinking more of my own size of dreadnaught...oh wait forget about that last line :insert evil grin here:

In the Andromeda Galaxy eh? :roll: :D

I think you're overdoing the space concept and undermining your ground forces.

Who says you NEED ground forces? The Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah have done quite well without them. That has more to do with the fact that they are their own "ground troops", as they born as builders and warriors... That and their society is quite a bit different from the human sort, being an alien species and all.

And you are failing to see the point: HE IS NOT ON EARTH! Who the hell do you think he's going to invade with a crapload of ground troops? Or defend from with those, for that matter? And with all the space nations lurking around, getting invaded on ground isn't really a big problem, having too many of those ground troops when some big and evil looking space fleet comes to visit, now THAT is a more viable problem.

you can't possibly maintain them all, to mainain 500 space fighters you would need to have at least 2500 maintanace crew

And why is that? It's not like technology doesn't progress over time, and he's in Andromeda for crying out loud. And why couldn't he have that 2 500 of maintenance crew for them that you're speaking of? He (supposedly) has more than enough people to be put to do that. 2 500, whilst he has hundreds of millions of people... Hmm... Doesn't sound too bad. Make that 10 000, still doesn't sound so bad. Make that friggin 100 000, and it STILL doesn't sound so bad.

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You know,despite all this sounding off,you don't seem to understand the concept of military pop.If he were to have 100,000+maintinance workers for the fighters alone,then where would that would mean that there would be several million maintenance to care for all the above facilities.That would mean that he would have to devote nearly 8% of his population to the armed forces,this would be crippling to his economy.Trailers population exceeds 800 Mil,and we dont even have 500 fighters in commission.Let alone 100 corvettes as well.

You know,despite all this sounding off,you don't seem to understand the concept of military pop.If he were to have 100,000+maintinance workers for the fighters alone,then where would that would mean that there would be several million maintenance to care for all the above facilities.

Umm, I meant that those others would be doing other maintenance work of course, I never said those would be all exclusively for that fighter maintenance... But still, it doesn't sound that bad, considering that he IS a space nation and supposedly the nations on his planet are united under his flag and all.

That would mean that he would have to devote nearly 8% of his population to the armed forces,this would be crippling to his economy.Trailers population exceeds 800 Mil,and we dont even have 500 fighters in commission.Let alone 100 corvettes as well.

Cripple his economy? Depends a crapload on the economy I must say. There have been nations that have been quite friggin militaristic, that is in RL, although they would be considered as godmodders in NS. It depends even more on the civilization when you're talking about nations that are off-Earth and alone in some place. They might not even depend on other nations like Earth-side ones do, especially if they own their own friggin planet (or a whole solar system). Then there's the whole thing that the maintenance could be automated, so the need of people would be much lower. If you can mass produce cars, planes and the like, why could you not mass produce warships?

And do you really think that some alien species would give a crap about Earth-side economic babble?-) For instance, you'd think that it's common sense that a species like the Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah would be very efficient at building ships after doing pretty much nothing but them for the last 20 000 years, while of course killing off all other sentient lifeforms. This nation is a bit different since I'm playing as after SC2 Kohr-Ah, but still, you'd think they'd still just build ships, ships and more ships - most of the time anyway. Of which of course I get rid of from time to time, since it really would be a bit weird, having hundreds and hundreds of 240 meter long ships.

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Economy only suffers due to high military percentages IF:

The high numbers are not compensated for (automation, forced labor)

OR IF:

Reserves are not involved. Reserves are very, very good ideas. They permit a small standing army for defensive purposes, that can balloon into large offensive forces in times of need. Furthermore, they are still volunteers, and draftees can be enlisted should they be needed.

OR IF:

You fail to efficiently maintain your military. He has a lot of robots... they could effectively be stashed in a giant warehouse somewhere, occasionally dusted and maintained for a much, much lower cost than it would take to maintain a military of biologicals.

That said, my military makes use of all three methods. The ruling caste-species of my nation (~5 million strong) are all very skilled in the arts of war. Should they be needed, they can all be summoned. Nearly all of my civillian population can be intimidated, drugged, or twisted into fighting should defensive measures become necessary.
Also, I don't rely upon a concept of economy as most NSers know it. I don't use money - everyone who isn't Eldar is a slave in my nation. Their labours are enhanced and aided by drugs, to make them work longer, harder, and without complaint. Lastly, I raid for any supplies I need that I can get somewhere else, rather than waste resources making them myself.

However... it is my opinion that a large military is a shield to hide behind. I prefer wits, a great deal of stealth, and blindingly fast strikes to get what I want instead of - like the rest of NS - slogging through expensive campaigns.