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The King Maximillian II has asked me to send this message to the world community. Qoute "Communism is a threat to world stability and morally wrong, through communism billions have been tortured killed in the "re-education centers" Garrison II will do everything in its power to combat Communism in its borders and will do everything short of war to combat Communism across the globe. To one day eliminate this threat to humanity, as we speak memebers of the Garrison II communist party are being arrested and imprisoned for spreading their poison." End of Qoute. You have heard the Emperor of Garrison II, good day.

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Hmm... obvious this man confuses communism with Stalinism.

Communism if you read it is democratic, it has no oppression no exploitation no wars. No section of the state machine even has power to oppress another.

Stalinism is a dictatorship, exploitative, oppressive, war like, brutal, and nothing at all to do with communism.

We are more worried about the stability of your nation. We have to be more concerned with you being a threat than the mere thought of communism. There is no immediate threat, and yet the KKIA is recommending stepping up security and monitoring your nation. Now, we give you the option to back down from this, or face the onslaught of espionage.

We also ask of you to release your political prisoners, or you will risk sanctions and embargoes against your nation. We do not wish to harm your nation, but if such a debunk leader as yourself is allowed to spread such fear and tyranny in the world, you must be stopped before any lives are lost.

Step back before you cause any wars.

Agent Chico
Senior Officer of the KKIA

General Chicoko
General of Kryozerkia's Army & Air Force
Commander in Chief of Kryozerkia's High Command

Her Emninence
Prime Minister Chikita
Head of the KKIA
Head of Kryozerkia's High Command

The Gulag Bunch fights communism where the NCA leaves off! Our current resume.....




......nuclear attack by geforce4 on Credonia

Communism always leads to Stalinism. If there is a way to get to the final phase of Communism (where the state and dictatorship wither away to form a classless society), I haven't seen it.

As far as I know, no nation in the RL world has sucessfully achieved the ideal form of communism.

We are more worried about the stability of your nation. We have to be more concerned with you being a threat than the mere thought of communism. There is no immediate threat, and yet the KKIA is recommending stepping up security and monitoring your nation. Now, we give you the option to back down from this, or face the onslaught of espionage.

We also ask of you to release your political prisoners, or you will risk sanctions and embargoes against your nation. We do not wish to harm your nation, but if such a debunk leader as yourself is allowed to spread such fear and tyranny in the world, you must be stopped before any lives are lost.

Step back before you cause any wars.

Agent Chico
Senior Officer of the KKIA

General Chicoko
General of Kryozerkia's Army & Air Force
Commander in Chief of Kryozerkia's High Command

Her Emninence
Prime Minister Chikita
Head of the KKIA
Head of Kryozerkia's High Command

I wouldn't recommend threatening a December nation. Nations such as Dongonearthere and The Resi Corporation are already powerful enough to reduce me, an August nation, to a crater,and you, a September nation, are picking on a nation 200 times your size?! I'd apologise profusely and send Garrison a fruit basket if I were you.

OOC- As for communism always becoming Stalinism, look at China, its still Maoist. Or Cuba, thats still communist and they make kick-ass cigars (although the US still wont buy them.) and a public medical service which surpasses American standards.

Johnistan applauds the actions taken by Garrison.

To the people who say communism is bad I have this to say to you:

You can keep criticizing every form of communism that ever existed because of its failure to live up to its actual potential, or you can look at why they didn’t get there. Now tell me this, how do you think Cuba would be today if it never brought Soviet missiles into there country? How would Cuba be today if there wasn’t a blockade and trade embargo set on the country? Are you going to tell me that if it was thriving economically; which is what communism is suppose thrive in as well as industry, that it would still represent a failure to live up to what communism is? If so, than you look at communism in general only by its failures and not by its main purpose.So please do me a favor and think about this before spewing your ignorance,and most of you who think communism is bad haven't even read Communist Manifesto so how would you know what the communist idea is based on?

OOC- As for communism always becoming Stalinism, look at China, its still Maoist. Or Cuba, thats still communist and they make kick-ass cigars (although the US still wont buy them.) and a public medical service which surpasses American standards.

1.Maoism isn't all that different from Stalinism.

2.I didn't realise Cuba had a public healthcare system at all. And I've heard a lot about the healthcare system of US vs. Cuba, but no real evidence either way.

*Statement Released by The Republic of Millstone*
-November 12, 2003.

It's not suprising hearing this from a horribly opressed nation such as Garrison II. My country in no way is communist but I back the communist countries. Facism is a much worse form of goverment then communism. Communism on paper is a great form a goverment. It's human nature that ruins it. I don't remember communism causing a 5 year World War and the deaths of over 47 Million people. Along with the "extermination" of 5 Million Jews and millions of other types of people. It's anti-union anti-civil rights, anti-political freedom, anti-free business. If you were to hate anything...hate Facism and the evil Nazi's that support it. On a side-note Stalin was an evil mad-man. He gave communism a bad name. If communism was my democratic in that it had free elections, instead of a dictator it would work much better. Communism + Socialism + Democracy. Do the math.

-The Republic of Millstone November 12, 2003.
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"For Millstone comrade! Down with Fascism!"

Communism is the poison that prevents men from achieving what is rightfully theirs.

King Priam
-The Trojan Empire-

Communism cannot exist, at least not in its true form. Human greed consumes what communism really is and turns into stalinism. Therefore, i think you should declare war on stalinism and countries who practice it and say its communism. Peronally, i think communism is a great idea but unfortunentley it cant be practiced correctley.

Communism cannot exist, at least not in its true form. Human greed consumes what communism really is and turns into stalinism. Therefore, i think you should declare war on stalinism and countries who practice it and say its communism. Peronally, i think communism is a great idea but unfortunentley it cant be practiced correctley.

How true.

Communism cannot exist, at least not in its true form. Human greed consumes what communism really is and turns into stalinism. Therefore, i think you should declare war on stalinism and countries who practice it and say its communism. Peronally, i think communism is a great idea but unfortunentley it cant be practiced correctley.

How true.

Thank you!

Johnistan applauds the actions taken by Garrison.That makes two of us. Congradulations for seeing the horror in communist soceity, Garrison II.

wooow resi, you still come around here?

Its been awile-

Pedaphiliac out.

wooow resi, you still come around here?

Its been awile-

Pedaphiliac out.Wow, you still come around here? I thought your nation died...

...then again, it still might've.

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OT: Hey Resi, I can't find your storefront thread. Where is it?Why, in my siggy of course!

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We think Garrison II's fascist, murderer, and insane dictator has no idea of what he's talking about.

Before he starts accusing other of being "unjust and wrong", he should think about the millions his fascist heroes killed and how he starves his population by his extremist pro-capitalist economical ideals.

To those who insist that communism can not remain apart from Stalinism Beth Gellert asks: How many more generations do we have to wait before we can sue you for defamation? Is this one of those end-of-time things, or must we wait until your governments have all collapsed?

-CPCS comrade G.Igo, The Peoples' Commonwealth of Beth Gellert.

Communism cannot exist, at least not in its true form. Human greed consumes what communism really is and turns into stalinism. Therefore, i think you should declare war on stalinism and countries who practice it and say its communism. Peronally, i think communism is a great idea but unfortunentley it cant be practiced correctley.

In the theory they bring up the worker's Militia to prevent this...

Thanks captain moron!

((OOC: Just a point of clarification, in real life I'm a raving liberal who's read the Communist Manifesto front to back, and who agrees with several of the points that it makes. However, I RP as a nation ignorant of communism, so ICly I really couldn't care less about the differences between Stalinism and true communism.))

Communism cannot exist, at least not in its true form. Human greed consumes what communism really is and turns into stalinism. Therefore, i think you should declare war on stalinism and countries who practice it and say its communism. Peronally, i think communism is a great idea but unfortunentley it cant be practiced correctley.

In the theory they bring up the worker's Militia to prevent this...

Thanks captain moron!

*Salutes*

Glad i could be of service.

I'm not a Nazi or facist, also the communists here in the NS world cough cough Galdana are evil and kill millions. Anyone remember Russian Forces war against some Western Ukraine???

Comrade Igo checks his "Big List Of Nations That Aren't Communist."

"Hey look! Number seven- Russian Farces!"



(ooc:Yes, Beth Gellens tend to be about as sarcastic and casually rude ic as I myself am. It makes responding naturally a lot easier, and I haven't to worry about the ooc leanings of other posters when ic myself :) )

Being a communist in chellis, as well as a citizen, is illegal. Moreover, we will defend any communist who is attacked for being communist alone. We dont want to be communist, but anyone else can. Sovereign rights, people.

I would never attack a nation for simply being communist as that would be warmongering.

OOC: As long as you make up a good reason, we really dont give a shit ;)

Communism is the poison that prevents men from achieving what is rightfully theirs.

King Priam
-The Trojan Empire-

And what is that?Money!?Your selfish greed will be your downfall Trojan.If you live out there in the street with no money,food,or clothing I think that you would like to change your government to communist too just like the rest of the world.

The rest of the world doesn't want to become communist. Its actually the opposite.

Everyone wants to be a communist except for the ruling class... most people just dont know about it or how it can be done.


http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html

This is a good read

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No

Socialism is a transistion period.

Communism is the poison that prevents men from achieving what is rightfully theirs.

King Priam
-The Trojan Empire-

And what is that?Money!?Your selfish greed will be your downfall Trojan.If you live out there in the street with no money,food,or clothing I think that you would like to change your government to communist too just like the rest of the world.Ha! If our citizens do not wish to work, then that is their downfall. Capitalism only pushes our citizens to strive to do their best, which, in turn, pushes them to educate themselves more so they can advance themselves in the world of work.

Communism simply gives their government's money away to the people, who waste it, thus causing a governmental bankruptcy. Then who will have no food, money, or clothing? You.

King Priam
-The Trojan Empire-

Lets get a little breakdown of communism:

Before: Some people are rich, many people are poor.

After: Noone is rich, everyone is poor! Except the extreamly corrupt politburo, who control everything.

Now isn't that great!? :roll:

Oh yeah, and Kudos to Garrison II!

And long live operation flashpoint! ;P

There is no such thing as rich or poor. It is run by individual communes inwhich people only make what they need. There is no method of profit or exchange. Creavitity and intelligence flourish, Conformity decreased.

Worker's Militia is there to prevent corruption and counter-revolution activities, noone is incharge of the Worker's Militia, they must be convince that they are needed in order to move out and stop the degradation. This likely won't happen.

If there is a serious threat people could elect a temporary general,

Good things you guys know your philosphies...

I bet you guys didn't even read your own Right Wing philosphies.

Oh yeah...that would really work.

Ravea wrote:
Communism cannot exist, at least not in its true form. Human greed consumes what communism really is and turns into stalinism. Therefore, i think you should declare war on stalinism and countries who practice it and say its communism. Peronally, i think communism is a great idea but unfortunentley it cant be practiced correctley.

Pfff..

Sure it can. Unfortunately, no one has ever really tried. The great communist revolutions of the 20th and 19th centuries were all twisted perversions of the real glory of communism, which is democracy and equality in its truest form.

Check out my country. We're doing pretty good, and I've only had this particular one for about a week.

Transmission to the World

<Transmission to the world>
<Diplomatic Corp>
{No Encryption}

The King Maximillian II has asked me to send this message to the world community. Qoute "Communism is a threat to world stability and morally wrong, through communism billions have been tortured killed in the "re-education centers" Garrison II will do everything in its power to combat Communism in its borders and will do everything short of war to combat Communism across the globe. To one day eliminate this threat to humanity, as we speak memebers of the Garrison II communist party are being arrested and imprisoned for spreading their poison." End of Qoute. You have heard the Emperor of Garrison II, good day.

{Transmission Over}[/size] The Federated Anarchist Communes of Free Outer Eugenia are collectively amused by the whining little fascist’s blatant hypocrisy. Maximillian's tyrannical regime has all of the drawbacks of totalitarian Stalinism without any of the benefits. It seems quite obvious to us that the despicable despot merely requires a bogeyman to keep his nearly two billion brutalized slaves under control. Today its the communists, tomorrow it'll be the Jews and homosexuals. Considering the size of the unfortunate population under this madman's grip, he could go on like this for centuries before he runs out of subjects.

Xi Ivanavich Ming
FOEnet

Worker's Militia is there to prevent corruption and counter-revolution activities, noone is incharge of the Worker's Militia, they must be convince that they are needed in order to move out and stop the degradation. This likely won't happen.

This "workers militia" reminds me more of the red guard...

Worker's Militia is there to prevent corruption and counter-revolution activities, noone is incharge of the Worker's Militia, they must be convince that they are needed in order to move out and stop the degradation. This likely won't happen.

This "workers militia" reminds me more of the red guard... Sounds like any army to me. It is there to protect the status quo.

We have no standing army or official militia. We do have a number of groups that provide military training to those who want it. Their primary purpose is to maintain the revolution here through counter-occupation and to spread it abroad.

Ravea wrote:
Communism cannot exist, at least not in its true form. Human greed consumes what communism really is and turns into stalinism. Therefore, i think you should declare war on stalinism and countries who practice it and say its communism. Peronally, i think communism is a great idea but unfortunentley it cant be practiced correctley.

Pfff..

Sure it can. Unfortunately, no one has ever really tried. The great communist revolutions of the 20th and 19th centuries were all twisted perversions of the real glory of communism, which is democracy and equality in its truest form.

Check out my country. We're doing pretty good, and I've only had this particular one for about a week.

But your economy is puny and political freedoms are not that good.

Oh, and:

1.How would you describe the ideal communist state?

2.How do you achieve this ideal communist state?

I keep hearing stuff about how communism failed because it wasn't done right. Well, it's time to put that theory to test.

There is no such thing as rich or poor. It is run by individual communes inwhich people only make what they need. There is no method of profit or exchange.

Good things you guys know your philosphies...

So let me get this straight, a doctor should get as much compensation for his work as a ditchdigger? That's a humorous concept, except for the fact that the Communists are deluded enough to believe it. I've got news for you, humans are greedy by nature. They want as much as they can obtain. Capitalism encourages this by allowing those who work harder than others to be properly rewarded. Communism does the opposite, it punishes those who succeed by not allowing them to advance farther than their own meager situation.

Stone river, thats incorrect. A doctor would earn more than a ditchdigger, but not inordinate amounts. In communism, everyone gets what they deserve, its not a race for money.

A man who reads Marx and Lenin is a communist, but a man who understands Marx and Lenin is an anti-communist
Anonymous

OOC:

"Workers of the world. I'm sorry!"

A punchline to a Russian joke I heard.

Good old Maoist Ruler right here.

There is no such thing as rich or poor. It is run by individual communes inwhich people only make what they need. There is no method of profit or exchange.

Good things you guys know your philosphies...

So let me get this straight, a doctor should get as much compensation for his work as a ditchdigger? Capitalism encourages this by allowing those who work harder than others to be properly rewarded. You contridict yourself. I have not met many doctors who work nearly as hard as ditch-diggers.

But the topic of discussion here should not be the viability of capitalism, but rather the hipocracy of despot of Garrison.

Ravea wrote:
Communism cannot exist, at least not in its true form. Human greed consumes what communism really is and turns into stalinism. Therefore, i think you should declare war on stalinism and countries who practice it and say its communism. Peronally, i think communism is a great idea but unfortunentley it cant be practiced correctley.

Pfff..

Sure it can. Unfortunately, no one has ever really tried. The great communist revolutions of the 20th and 19th centuries were all twisted perversions of the real glory of communism, which is democracy and equality in its truest form.

Check out my country. We're doing pretty good, and I've only had this particular one for about a week.

OOC: Democracy rides on the backs of the poor.



I guess communism could be associated with my "countries' form of "Polotics"

But the difference is, we Kharra arent greedy, we have no use for money or posessions or food. Each alien is tied to the hive, and each alien has a hive sight, or the sight of the hive and the sight of the alien. The work as one. Kind of like the Borg.

(In Beth Gellert, ditch diggers are called mechanical excavators.. and often as not they're operated by excited children glad to do it for kicks. One would be well advised to watch his step when skirting The Commonwealth's fields. But I digress.. what were we talking about? Oh aye, Garrison's a big smelly-head country; the Final Senate all agree ;) )

"But your economy is puny and political freedoms are not that good"

Comrade Igo suddenly came down with a nasty case of consumption. Cough! Cough!

We've been aware of Garrison II's position on the issue of communism for some time now. We wonder what, if not yet another pretext for aggressive war, this declaration serves to accomplish?

Communism and capitalism are irrelevanttt....
You shall all eventually belong into my empire, insects.

Need assistance in this arena Gar II? Let me know, I think this is an area we can be in full agreement on.

A marriage of total convenience makes a good marriage.

Communism ideal and works? Everyone posting must have been born after 1989?

Historical fact: The dominant society and most ideal culture will overpower and consume the lesser and weaker. IE Democracy/Capitalist over Socialist/Communist.

For example, see the facts on: Helenistic spread into Persia by Alexander the Great; the rapid spread of the Roman Empire over most of the known civilized world; the spread of Imperialism of the European Powers in the "age of sail" and colonialism; the Open Door policy in China; the Monroe Doctine; the Cold War; many many more examples not listed to save space. Get the picture yet that Communism can only succeed if a dominant society, Capitalism, does not exist.

Transmission to the World

<Transmission to the world>
<Diplomatic Corp>
{No Encryption}

The King Maximillian II has asked me to send this message to the world community. Qoute "Communism is a threat to world stability and morally wrong, through communism billions have been tortured killed in the "re-education centers" Garrison II will do everything in its power to combat Communism in its borders and will do everything short of war to combat Communism across the globe. To one day eliminate this threat to humanity, as we speak memebers of the Garrison II communist party are being arrested and imprisoned for spreading their poison." End of Qoute. You have heard the Emperor of Garrison II, good day.

{Transmission Over}[/size] The Federated Anarchist Communes of Free Outer Eugenia are collectively amused by the whining little fascist’s blatant hypocrisy. Maximillian's tyrannical regime has all of the drawbacks of totalitarian Stalinism without any of the benefits. It seems quite obvious to us that the despicable despot merely requires a bogeyman to keep his nearly two billion brutalized slaves under control. Today its the communists, tomorrow it'll be the Jews and homosexuals. Considering the size of the unfortunate population under this madman's grip, he could go on like this for centuries before he runs out of subjects.

Xi Ivanavich Ming
FOEnet

Thank you. It's nice to seen common sense still exists.

I completely agree with you.

In theory communism isn't a bad idea; in practice it has become a warped concept, nowhere near what Marx and Lenin had wanted.

The twisted ideas in the hands of an individual hell bent on "cleansing" is a devastating thing. The guy doesn't like the way everything's going, he finds a scapegoat.

Free Outer Eugenia, you did a great job in nailing the issue right on the head. I fully and loyally agree with you.

Her Emnience
Prime Minister Chikita

Though New Fascist doctrine declares Communism nothing more than a departure from the strict realities of everyday life, why is Communism morally wrong?
Is it the death, the equalisation of income?
If that is the case then surely democracy is morally wrong since it forces you to be free? Also, have many not died for Democracy and does that not guarantee that Democracy is therefore morally wrong?
Please enlighten us, why is Communism morally wrong?

~The Leader~
The State Incarnate
The Embodiment of Ideology
The Fascist Symbol
The Dictator of New Fascism

The Federated Anarchist Communes of Free Outer Eugenia are collectively amused by the whining little fascist’s blatant hypocrisy. Maximillian's tyrannical regime has all of the drawbacks of totalitarian Stalinism without any of the benefits. It seems quite obvious to us that the despicable despot merely requires a bogeyman to keep his nearly two billion brutalized slaves under control. Today its the communists, tomorrow it'll be the Jews and homosexuals. Considering the size of the unfortunate population under this madman's grip, he could go on like this for centuries before he runs out of subjects.

Xi Ivanavich Ming
FOEnet

Thank you. It's nice to seen common sense still exists.

I completely agree with you.

In theory communism isn't a bad idea; in practice it has become a warped concept, nowhere near what Marx and Lenin had wanted.

The twisted ideas in the hands of an individual hell bent on "cleansing" is a devastating thing. The guy doesn't like the way everything's going, he finds a scapegoat.

Free Outer Eugenia, you did a great job in nailing the issue right on the head. I fully and loyally agree with you.

Her Emnience
Prime Minister ChikitaI thank you for your kind words. I must say though that the theory and praxis of Marx and his followers are inherently flawed in many respects, especially in relation to the State. Bakuinin, Marx's chief rival in the First Internatonal had correctly predicted the outcome of a Marxist experiment during Marx's own lifetime.

Ravea wrote:
Communism cannot exist, at least not in its true form. Human greed consumes what communism really is and turns into stalinism. Therefore, i think you should declare war on stalinism and countries who practice it and say its communism. Peronally, i think communism is a great idea but unfortunentley it cant be practiced correctley.

Pfff..

Sure it can. Unfortunately, no one has ever really tried. The great communist revolutions of the 20th and 19th centuries were all twisted perversions of the real glory of communism, which is democracy and equality in its truest form.

Check out my country. We're doing pretty good, and I've only had this particular one for about a week.

OOC: Democracy rides on the backs of the poor.



I guess communism could be associated with my "countries' form of "Polotics"

But the difference is, we Kharra arent greedy, we have no use for money or posessions or food. Each alien is tied to the hive, and each alien has a hive sight, or the sight of the hive and the sight of the alien. The work as one. Kind of like the Borg.

Democracy Rides on the Backs of the Poor? Only in America, only in America. Look at Canada, for example, or Scandinavia. Socialist democracy, where the rich help the poor by paying taxes relative to their income, and then the State takes possession of those taxes and give the poor welfare money and so forth.

The ideal communist state, I beleive, is founded on a breed of communism called Equalism, which, as a burgeoning political thinker, I have been formulating in my mind for some time now. A rough sketch of Equalism: it maintains that regardless of sex, race, orientation, religion or even intelligence, all human beings are equal and have equal rights, such as the right to voting and the right to clean water and enough food and so forth. The means to having those rights and excercising them are given to the individual in return for the individual working for the State.

Citizens would be payed salaries relevant to the amount of work they have done, unlike in the Old Soviet Union, where workers could slack off forever and still get payed out of the taxes of the rest of society. That was one of the problems with the USSR; there was nothing to compell the workers to do a good job, since Russian communism insured that they would get payed.

Democracy and pacifism are central to the ideals of Equalism. Democracy means that if it doesn't work out, and it fails, the People can simply vote their way back to liberal socialism or whatever they had before. Pacifism means that the army is either tiny, non-existant, or only used for foreign peace-keeping. This way, the State cannot declare martial law in order to impose its will on the people, which is contrary to the values of all communism, since the State is meant to represent the people, to actually BE the people.

Any questions?

Need assistance in this arena Gar II? Let me know, I think this is an area we can be in full agreement on.

A marriage of total convenience makes a good marriage.

Communism ideal and works? Everyone posting must have been born after 1989?

Of course (as you probably know) not. Apparently you are still attempting to hold up the Soviet Union as a guide to communism.

Historical fact: The dominant society and most ideal culture will overpower and consume the lesser and weaker. IE Democracy/Capitalist over Socialist/Communist.

Beth Gellert is not capitalist, and is more democratic than most/any capitalist state/s that we have encountered. How does your historical fact deal with that?

For example, see the facts on: Helenistic spread into Persia by Alexander the Great; the rapid spread of the Roman Empire over most of the known civilized world; the spread of Imperialism of the European Powers in the "age of sail" and colonialism; the Open Door policy in China; the Monroe Doctine; the Cold War; many many more examples not listed to save space. Get the picture yet that Communism can only succeed if a dominant society, Capitalism, does not exist.


"Known civilized world"? How the devil do you define civilisation? Rome's expansion is hardly solid base for your theory. I mean, you could try to explain to Quintilius Varus why it is, but.. I'm sorry, I think.. yes, he's busy failing, and has an appointment with dismemberment. And well, the certainty of the Roman triumph over Gaul just puts the debate beyond all doubt, doesn't it!? Did Rome eventually fall to an entirely new system, or was it the old order supposedly superceded by Rome which eventually triumphed? You obviously maintain that classical society could be preserved while that of that barbarians existed- but it is apparent that the barbarians too could persist.

Islamic law persists in dominating the lives of tens.. hundreds? of millions. Is that to be considered the same society as that present in western capitalist democracies? If so, are the differences really any greater than those between socialism and capitalism?

"Communism will be back, and some happy comrade shall lay his sword on the scales of bitter capitalist defeat, proclaiming 'vae victis!' as he does."

-Comrade G.Igo, CPCS.

Ravea wrote:
Communism cannot exist, at least not in its true form. Human greed consumes what communism really is and turns into stalinism. Therefore, i think you should declare war on stalinism and countries who practice it and say its communism. Peronally, i think communism is a great idea but unfortunentley it cant be practiced correctley.

Pfff..

Sure it can. Unfortunately, no one has ever really tried. The great communist revolutions of the 20th and 19th centuries were all twisted perversions of the real glory of communism, which is democracy and equality in its truest form.

Check out my country. We're doing pretty good, and I've only had this particular one for about a week.

OOC: Democracy rides on the backs of the poor.



I guess communism could be associated with my "countries' form of "Polotics"

But the difference is, we Kharra arent greedy, we have no use for money or posessions or food. Each alien is tied to the hive, and each alien has a hive sight, or the sight of the hive and the sight of the alien. The work as one. Kind of like the Borg.

Democracy Rides on the Backs of the Poor? Only in America, only in America. Look at Canada, for example, or Scandinavia. Socialist democracy, where the rich help the poor by paying taxes relative to their income, and then the State takes possession of those taxes and give the poor welfare money and so forth.

The ideal communist state, I beleive, is founded on a breed of communism called Equalism, which, as a burgeoning political thinker, I have been formulating in my mind for some time now. A rough sketch of Equalism: it maintains that regardless of sex, race, orientation, religion or even intelligence, all human beings are equal and have equal rights, such as the right to voting and the right to clean water and enough food and so forth. The means to having those rights and excercising them are given to the individual in return for the individual working for the State.

Citizens would be payed salaries relevant to the amount of work they have done, unlike in the Old Soviet Union, where workers could slack off forever and still get payed out of the taxes of the rest of society. That was one of the problems with the USSR; there was nothing to compell the workers to do a good job, since Russian communism insured that they would get payed.

Democracy and pacifism are central to the ideals of Equalism. Democracy means that if it doesn't work out, and it fails, the People can simply vote their way back to liberal socialism or whatever they had before. Pacifism means that the army is either tiny, non-existant, or only used for foreign peace-keeping. This way, the State cannot declare martial law in order to impose its will on the people, which is contrary to the values of all communism, since the State is meant to represent the people, to actually BE the people.

Any questions?


I have one question,

How come you post in support of socialism and communism yet get it all wrong?

The doctor doesn't get paid get paid the same as the worker, noone gets paid, society is run on this principle: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Meaning not taking and hording more then what is needed.

If you need 10 trees to make a house, and you are making one house, you don't cut down 100 trees.

the truth is communism is a compromise on marksism but not even true communism has ever exsisted in the world. also the reson why russian communism failed was because it was totalitarian wich meant when a leader becomes corrupt there was no way to replace them therefore stalin was allowed to destroy communism in Russia with his paranoyer. another point is that communism is best run localy and russia is the biggest country in the world and during the communist era the goverment covered russia and most of eastern europe

We're not gonna declare war against Communist nations just try to stop the spread of it.

Beth Gellert is not capitalist, and is more democratic than most/any capitalist state/s that we have encountered. How does your historical fact deal with that?

How can a nation be Democratic without being Capitalist? One is the leader of the other. Does not trade stimulate your economy and if not, how does a nation obtain $$ without trade?


"Known civilized world"? How the devil do you define civilisation? Rome's expansion is hardly solid base for your theory. I mean, you could try to explain to Quintilius Varus why it is, but.. I'm sorry, I think.. yes, he's busy failing, and has an appointment with dismemberment. And well, the certainty of the Roman triumph over Gaul just puts the debate beyond all doubt, doesn't it!? Did Rome eventually fall to an entirely new system, or was it the old order supposedly superceded by Rome which eventually triumphed? You obviously maintain that classical society could be preserved while that of that barbarians existed- but it is apparent that the barbarians too could persist.

And here we have the true definition of the Dark Ages because the fall of Rome and the Democratic/Capitalist Era. Barbarians promote what in your world?

Islamic law persists in dominating the lives of tens.. hundreds? of millions. Is that to be considered the same society as that present in western capitalist democracies? If so, are the differences really any greater than those between socialism and capitalism?

Islam is the true Barbarism and too will fail as the chains of slavery and dictatorship fall from their own grace.

"Communism will be back, and some happy comrade shall lay his sword on the scales of bitter capitalist defeat, proclaiming 'vae victis!' as he does."

I think the Soviets felt this way too at one time..........yep, they did as they are now enjoying the fruits of Capitalism.

Yo, bud. Islam isn't a barbarism, unless it is interpreted in a way that it really shouldn't be. Besides, the other major religions of the world have had at least 500 years more to develope and deal with real life. dont be too harsh.

And about that earlier post about some weird shit to do with trees: you make no sense whatsoever.

And by the way, everyone, capitalism and socialism are perfectly compatible. even capitalism and true communism are, to some extent. but Equalism is different from both.

and hey, im still workin' it out.

Yo, bud. Islam isn't a barbarism, unless it is interpreted in a way that it really shouldn't be. Besides, the other major religions of the world have had at least 500 years more to develope and deal with real life. dont be too harsh.

And about that earlier post about some weird shit to do with trees: you make no sense whatsoever.

And by the way, everyone, capitalism and socialism are perfectly compatible. even capitalism and true communism are, to some extent. but Equalism is different from both.

and hey, im still workin' it out.

trees? (looking around) where did that come from? lol

Communism is the poison that prevents men from achieving what is rightfully theirs.

King Priam
-The Trojan Empire-

And what is that?Money!?Your selfish greed will be your downfall Trojan.If you live out there in the street with no money,food,or clothing I think that you would like to change your government to communist too just like the rest of the world.Ha! If our citizens do not wish to work, then that is their downfall. Capitalism only pushes our citizens to strive to do their best, which, in turn, pushes them to educate themselves more so they can advance themselves in the world of work.

Communism simply gives their government's money away to the people, who waste it, thus causing a governmental bankruptcy. Then who will have no food, money, or clothing? You.

King Priam
-The Trojan Empire-

You are a fool and you don't understand people completely.I've seen communism work the way it should work,look at Cuba they almost completed communism.You see communism will only work through the patriotism and happiness of the people.If the people are happy they'll work,and don't give me any crap about how the Cuban people are starving because of the communist regime,the Cuban people starve because of the UN condemned US trade embargo on Cuba.

In a communist society there is no rich,no poor,only the working class.There's free healthcare,free housing,and if your to old or sick too work the government will send you food,and trust me the Cuban people don't take this to their advantage,why?Because they love their country and don't want to see it collapse just for their own sake.You see greed isn't natural,capitalism makes it look natural.

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True Capitalism has never been achieved either. True capitalism includes no taxes, no government involvement in business, so dollar value cannot be determined by the government. If you have no taxes, then the government fails, and the country collapses, because you cannot affect the economy in a true capitalist system. The U.S. is actually part socialist due to having taxes.

OOC: I wonder if they realize that any real communist wouldn't care what they think, if annoying communists is what they are trying to achieve.

True Capitalism has never been achieved either. True capitalism includes no taxes, no government involvement in business, so dollar value cannot be determined by the government. If you have no taxes, then the government fails, and the country collapses, because you cannot affect the economy in a true capitalist system. The U.S. is actually part socialist due to having taxes.

Please true Capitalism has been achieved,look around the world around you.The government is always involved with the businessess of major corporations,etc.

As Capitalism grows and spreads,Communism is the class to destroy it.

His Majesty, Emperor Eizen II, fully supports The Imperial Government of Garrison II in their endeavours to ensure stability and order within their boundaries.

Garrison II will have the full support of the Eizen Empire in this matter/ The Right to Rule must be upheld.

His Majesty, Emperor Eizen II, fully supports The Imperial Government of Garrison II in their endeavours to ensure stability and order within their boundaries.

Garrison II will have the full support of the Eizen Empire in this matter/ The Right to Rule must be upheld.

The States of Stephenson do not support the unjust persecution of people, regardless of their beliefs. The States of Stephenson do not endorse communism because of communist beliefs that God does not exist. This would never stand in the States of Stephenson and while human atrocities should be avoided, states do need to be able to regulate matters in their own borders.

Archbishop Henry
The Foreign Ministry of the States of Stephenson

The States of Stephenson do not support the unjust persecution of people, regardless of their beliefs. The States of Stephenson do not endorse communism because of communist beliefs that God does not exist. This would never stand in the States of Stephenson and while human atrocities should be avoided, states do need to be able to regulate matters in their own borders.

Archbishop Henry
The Foreign Ministry of the States of Stephenson

From Her Majesty, First Empress Milyssa Eizen, Duchess of 1337 5p34k:

The Triumverate Empire of Eizen, 1337 5p34k, and Neon Simian however do reserve the right to act accordingly in situations regarding subversive behavior. YOung Nations such as yours should Learn respect of their superiors.

From Her Majesty, Second Empress Ashlay Eizen, Neonlady of Neon Simian:

I echo the sentiments of my fellow Empress. Communism nearly destroyed my nation in its infacy, and only the rise of the Powerful Neonlords were able to bring our country from the brink of destruction.

The States of Stephonson are too idealistic for long term survival. It is a shame that five million citizens shall be robbed of their potential through inferior rule

The States of Stephenson do not support the unjust persecution of people, regardless of their beliefs. The States of Stephenson do not endorse communism because of communist beliefs that God does not exist. This would never stand in the States of Stephenson and while human atrocities should be avoided, states do need to be able to regulate matters in their own borders.

Archbishop Henry
The Foreign Ministry of the States of Stephenson

From Her Majesty, First Empress Milyssa Eizen, Duchess of 1337 5p34k:

The Triumverate Empire of Eizen, 1337 5p34k, and Neon Simian however do reserve the right to act accordingly in situations regarding subversive behavior. YOung Nations such as yours should Learn respect of their superiors.

From Her Majesty, Second Empress Ashlay Eizen, Neonlady of Neon Simian:

I echo the sentiments of my fellow Empress. Communism nearly destroyed my nation in its infacy, and only the rise of the Powerful Neonlords were able to bring our country from the brink of destruction.

The States of Stephonson are too idealistic for long term survival. It is a shame that five million citizens shall be robbed of their potential through inferior rule

The States of Stephenson humbly apologize for offending the Empress. Our intention was not to offend but merely offer another perspective for other, wiser leaders to make their decesions. The People of the States of Stephenson experienced a bloody civil war that resulted in our present government. We have learned that sometimes power is best left to the people. We also understand that not all political systems work in every nation.

Our citizens feel that our current government is best option for our tiny nation. If, as your statements suggested, our nation it too idealistic to last, the people will once again change our course. It is perhaps possible that our nation will one day again be ruled by a monarchy. As a democracy, we welcome all topics and ideas for discussion. Again, we apologize for offending the wise leaders of your nation.

Archbishop Henry
The States of Stephenson Foreign Minister