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I am in need of jet engines 120 or them, good ones.
60, radars, IR sensors, Laser pods, Jammer pods, navigational intruments (computers, HUD, radio) Western preffered but Eastern will do as well.

Does anyone provide such things?

Just buy some aircraft and cannablize them.

Too expensive plus I am going to need more if I am to enter production. It is not very econmical. Does anyone actual sell what i need?

Crookfur electronic systems (CFES) produce a range of aircraft senosrs for export (and we do custom refits for cockpits etc).

What exactly are you looking for in a radar? we have a wide rnage of solutions from general purpose to speciality systems.

In terms of other senors our main offering would be the MK5002 system (basically, laser, and IR all in one package thing a super upgrade on LANTIRN).
MK5002
Multi mode EO/FLIR pod offers laser targeting of ground targets and imaging for the guidance of and targeting of weapons (offers up to 45x magnification of targets). Also has an air surveillance (IRST) mode offering detection and tracking of up to 250 targets out to 150km.


We don't currently export engines but we would recomend you speak to United Elias or Dark Terror (or attican empire or freedom country) to see about aquiring some.


I assume from your post that you are either upgrading old aircraft or producing a new design (in limited quantities) and as such we would like to offer our services on the entire avionics siute (ie all the electronics).

We can do the countermeasures and the cockpit, its just we tend to do them on a custom basis (ie i haven't gotten around to fixing details yet).

prices for our equipemnt or services really depend on the contract (again haven't bothered to fix prices).

Well i am looking to upgrade 60 planes and enter production with several models. So you do not export engines? Tht is a shame I need them to enter production. But of radar i need air ground radar with ground targeting systems, IR, jammer, laser for fighter bombers. If you engine export ever occurs I am intrested in aquiring massive amounts of engines with about 15,000 lb of thrust dry, plus with After buners, also large amounts of 10,000 lb trust engines.

Are intrested in a partnership in aircraft production?

A partnership would be nice.

I can supply you with a multirole radar system with an emphasis on ground attack. the exact radar used would dependon the aircraft (mainly due to size restrictions)

To be honest i don't know enough about engines to really make a decent export option but as i said UE and DT are both good options.

On our lighter models, we use engines delivering 8,100 lbs. of thrust each, 13,300lb each with afterburner. We can send some to you for free if you're intersted.

Okay, yes the planes do need radar, they are J-22 Orao 2 model, they will be upgraded into Orao 3 with better engines, radar, ect... Can you supply me with laser, IR and jammer equipment?

I will see about the engines they are badly needed, the current 2 x 5,000 lb dry/ 6,000lb A/B are not satisfactory.

I will see with DT or UE about better engines.

Now about the parthenship, how should we go about that, we can eighter, work on the aircraft construction together, or we would by electronics from you exclusivly to install into the aircraft what seems best for you?

DT thouse engines will work great, do yo have anything in the range of 15-20,000 as well?

I hope DT you two would be intrested in a parthenship, simular one that i proposed to Crookfur.

We have an engine slightly over 20,000 if you're interested.

We developed a system to use chaff, flares, and infrared beams back in April with the very early ADF-5 bis light fighter, but it's long since been forgotten about. We can dust it off for you.

It would likely be best if i manufacture the electronics and then send them to you for isntallation.

The entire optical siute (IR/laser), radar and counter measures (chaff, flare, jammer, IR/optical dazzler ssytem) should be acheivable, i'll get specs down at soem point before the weekend.

DT Yes the 8,100 lb and 20,000 lb engines will do. We have deal my friend?

Crookfur, the multi mode radar will be great, what model do you have that will fit into the Orao?

The MK5002 system you are offering will be great.

The Multi mode EO/FLIR pod we are also considering for our future fleet.

EC Jammer issue is still out...

Now last idem the list is the cost, how much does each of your parts cost?? (so that we can figure the total cost of the aircraft)

Yep, we have a deal.

That is great, the aircraft will have 20,000 lb engines (what is exact spec for them: name, weight & power) it will modern electronics.

Now the cost of eact unit will pobably be around 8-9 million if not more. The Orao 2 cost around 2-3 million at time of it production and it lacked radar, and som of the modern equipment. The new Orao 3 will be comparable to the Su-39, Tornado, A-10 and F/A-18.

OOC:
Actually, the engine I had in mind is 24,000 lbs of thrust. Its the AL-21F-3A afterburning turbojet.

That will do.

I will place an order for:
DT:
120 - AL-21F-3A engines

Crookfur:
60 - MK5002 systems
60 - multi mode radars
60 - jammer/counter measures

What is the total cost

Free as a sign of friendship

Very well thank you. As I sign of our friendship to you and Crookfur, the first two Orao 3 squadrons build (20 aircraft each) will be donated to you both, one each, and more if you need them.

Sorry for the delay in replying.
the radar system will be our MK4007R model, basically a fullengagment management system that uses a system adapted from the SU-37 radar (so it can work agaisnt stealth targets) it can track and egage upto 15 targets at once (general tracking mode can handle more).
With the following range figures:
Air surveillance: 320km
Detail Scan: 400km
Surface scan vs. ships: 300km
Surface scan vs. AFVs: 70km
Rear radar: 80km


The exact details of the jamming system i will have to get back to you on but assume it does the following:
threat warning against laser, millimetric and conventional radar and launch detection.
Automatic chaff/flare dispensor
duel role IR/Eo dazzler system and radar jamming.



Anyway as to cost, lets call it $3million? (feel free to haggle).

We thank you for the gift and propose another offer: if we can in the future aquire say 150-200 (or more) of these then you can have all the electronics you need for nothing. (basically i'm trying to unify my rahter fragmented airforce that currently deploys something rediculous like 6 seperate frontline fighter types).

That would be great. You will recive you 150-200 as soon as production starts. We will provide them for as cheap as possible, with possibly only payment for the labour.

I will order 60 electroincs pacts to go, as soon as you possibly can, 60 Orao's are waiting dismantled on the factory line.

Your 180,000,000$ will be wired upon confermation. :D

Truth told, I have a better knowledge of tanks and land warfare than airplanes, but I hope this still soudns logical:
Maybe for your Jastreb's, we can provide a FLIR system tested on our helicopters to aid in ground attack? With some ATGM's they could be more modern tank killers...

I was going to get ot that the J-21 Jastreb, need the 8,100lb engines, It will also need a IR sensor system. It is our cheaper varient, capable of taking of grass strips and roads. Cheap, eazy to maintain and possibly capable of carrying TV or IR AGM's.

I will order 100 of the 8,100lb engine (specs & price plz)
and 100 IR sensors only (specs & price plz)

The Orao 3 program needs for a start 500 of the 20,000lb engines (price & specs plz)
and 250 electronics sets.

The aircraft are to enter production soon.

Free, so want the FLIR targetting system for the Jastrebs?

Yes I will aquire it, a hundred. Bill me.

Now can you get the specs on the two engine types, names, power and their cost, so I can calculate the total aircraft cost.

The full shipment is on it's way and any further units will arrive as you need them (regular shuttle runs etc).

Excelent, the first shipment of the J-22 will begin leaveing the factory very shortly. what is the total price I own you for the electronics?

Attention DT and Crookfur:

The Government of Bokaslavia would like to seal our deal with a gift.
To each of you a sq of J-22 Orao 3's has been send free of charge. The aircraft are a great improvement over the older models. The have the ability of carrying upto 5,000kg of bombs, LGB's, AGM, ASM, of almost anymake and design. The underfusulage rack can carry 1,500 kilos and has point for upto 6 weopons to be mounted to the belly. The inner two wing pilons carry 1,000 kg each, the outher two 750kg each and for self protection two wingtip rails for IR missiles.
They will arrive by the end of this NS month.

With this we would like to Purchase another 100 electronics sets and 200 engines as well as 100 FLIR systems for the J-21's.

In terms of outstanding balance wire the 300mil for the new aquisitions and i'll consider the account settled.

Anyway just to make things easier i'll include the rights to produce these systems but only for mounting on the specified airframe for say 5% of export revenue or a 1 time payment of $600million.

so 300 mil for the new aquasitions is wired.

The 600 mil for the production will be wired shortly. The systems will only be used for the J-22 production.

Many thanks, glad to have been of help.

Dont run too far, you may be of service again.

So what is happening with the 150-200 J-22 you said you needed earlier? Do you still need them? The will be about 3 mil a pop for the production and labour expenses.

oops i kind of forgot that for a moment.

Anyway wwe will confirm our order at 200 units and have wired the funds (neatly cancelling out the rights payment :) )

OOC: It appears I may be a bit late in responding to your request, as it seems you have found what you were looking for. None the less, here is what we can offer:

Jet Engines
-Ramjets
-Turbofans
-Hybrid-Pulse Detonation Engines (H-PDE)
-SCRAMjets
-He3 SCRAMjets

Radar
-LIDAR
-HUD
-ODP
-THARP

An definition of each system and how it performs can be found here:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62892&highlight=

If you see anything you like or have any questions about the equipment, feel free to ask. I have not "pieced" out this equipment so prices are negotiable.

M. Uganda

(neatly cancelling out the rights payment :D )

So we no longer have the electronic production rights?

Sorry you still have the rights i ment the actual sum of money involved.

my aplogies i tend to go off on tangents now and then.

No problem expect the first patch of 40 to arrive by the end of them NS month. The whole shipment will arrive with in 5 NS months. How do you like the J-22 aircradt so far? Are you pilots enjoying it?

Our pilots are very happy with it,they are quite pleased to finally have a CAS aircraft that uses more familiar systems.

Very nice we are currently working, on a pilon point attachment that will allow the J-22 to carry 2xshort range IR missile on ech wing pilon, giving them 12 IR missile capasity.

I to visit your storefront send me a link via telagram :lol:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2100266#2100266
We are not currently selling jets.