NationStates Jolt Archive

Recently, there have been a large amount of young nations who claim they have have nukes. i want to know what others think.

I think a nation should be between 1 and 2 months for Hiroshima quality nukes, 2 or greater for modern nukes.

1-2 months. I have no nuclear program, but I do have a chemical one. What do you say about that? What should be the limit on Biological and Chemical weapons?

if you are truely just an october nation you can't really have a large chemical program. I would agree that even small nations could buy these weapons, though not in large quantities. Besides, big guys always have anti-missile and I am in space so nukes are less powerful than lasers and stuff i have.

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1-2 is good, I think (obviously, within reason. No 'lolz1! i has t3h 103842 icmb5!11!!).

if we want to start up a nuclear program, it would take several months, since we have no nuclear power plans :/. We could buy some, but we have no equipment to launch te thing, no personel educated well enough, so that would also take some months.

I'm going with a 2-4 month window.

But the fact that any new nation can purchase WMDs on several of the NS storefronts boogles the mind.

It doesn't make any sense from a RP standard. But then again, if they're on the market, somebody will invariably buy them.

Hammering a newbie for owning a nuke that he (at least he feels) legally bought in a storefront doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Shouldn't there be sanctions against nations and/or storefronts who encourage WMDs proliferation?

Personally, I don't purchase any equipment from a storefront which sells ICBMs or WMDs either directly on their storefront or via 'telegram sales'.

Jeff Land ahs been in exixtence for almost a week now and we are against other nations with nukes and will remain steadfast in our resolve until such a time when another nation drops it's guard and our secret agents are able to aquire the technology for Jeff.

We believe that Ozymandias has a very good idea there. We personally ignore new nations with nukes unless they can show proof of purchase, but going a step farther has merit. The fact that nation's storefronts offer nukes at prices that are lower than the cost of equipping a modern Armored unit or Naval force is very distressing. We would throw our full support behind a cohesive effort to close down the nuclear weapon stores(the modern ones at least). Perhaps a temporary treaty to combat nuclear proliferation is in order?

As if to stress the issues being discussed here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91608


Who is to blame, Xanter for starting its program or Dontgonethere for providing the plans for the weapon?

I have attempted in the past to have boycotts and\or sanctions enacted against various nations for selling WMD to young nations, and for selling at godmoddingly low prices, but it doesn't go over too well.

I have attempted in the past to have boycotts and\or sanctions enacted against various nations for selling WMD to young nations, and for selling at godmoddingly low prices, but it doesn't go over too well.

No, we don't believe it would. Which is why any effort should be both coordinated and multilateral. A single nation can be ignored, but a number of nations will hold some sway. Perhaps we could get a count of all the nations here who would sign an anti-nuclear proliferation pact, and aid in enforcing it through economic and diplomatic sanctions (don't believe that we need military alliances or pacts yet, and frankly it would scare people off). Perhaps volunteers on a case by case basis for the military, but otherwise this would be diplomatic action.

I have attempted in the past to have boycotts and\or sanctions enacted against various nations for selling WMD to young nations, and for selling at godmoddingly low prices, but it doesn't go over too well.

No, we don't believe it would. Which is why any effort should be both coordinated and multilateral. A single nation can be ignored, but a number of nations will hold some sway. Perhaps we could get a count of all the nations here who would sign an anti-nuclear proliferation pact, and aid in enforcing it through economic and diplomatic sanctions (don't believe that we need military alliances or pacts yet, and frankly it would scare people off). Perhaps volunteers on a case by case basis for the military, but otherwise this would be diplomatic action.

I would support this.

As far as starting a nuke program, that's (1) up to the military budget, and I don't need to go into NS calculators right now, (2) I say 2-4 weeks for STARTING a program, and (3) it needs to be announced in an Int'l Incidents thread when started. Those should be the common rules for nuke programs.

Agua Puro has a reasonable economy, and our military budget rate is at 8% for the Pipian calculator. We announced our program about a week ago, but we didn't want to publicize it and still don't. And we wouldn't be so arrogant to say we have nukes at this time.

50 mil population (about 4 weeks, right?) should allow a nuke program, but there should also be a minimum military budget allocation. How much did the Manhattan Project cost?

Anyway, a nuke program should take about 2 weeks after declaration to produce Hiroshima/Nagasaki quality bombs.

AP

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BTW all time lengths are in real time (we would hope so)

AP

I dont belive its a matter of WHEN, its really a matter of HOW MUCH, since there are quite a few nations in RL who have nukes, just not ICBMs.
A simple bomb isnt that hard to come by, ICMBs are.
So, one or two nukes for a new nation is not really that much.