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This is a thread dedictated to posting OOC comments for the SC/Omz222 conflict. Please only post below if you are involved in the conflict. It was created so the IC thread isnt spammed by OOC comments.

IC Thread: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=90876
Original Thread (plz do not post here):
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=90203&highlight=

Has anyone got a link to the first thread about this? I can't seem to fidn it anywhere, and got involved in trying to avod the war. Now i need to read that and see which side to commit to.

Has anyone got a link to the first thread about this? I can't seem to fidn it anywhere, and got involved in trying to avod the war. Now i need to read that and see which side to commit to.

Read my first post: I have put it in the link to the original thread

Thanks

Just to save Omz222 and Sniper Country the effort, this war has become off limits to anyone who were not in the original thread. Basically both sides have enough allies and any more would hamper the thread and make any war impossible to run.

If you still want to get involved then I would suggest you either telegram Omz or Sniper Country as they are running the thread, but I get the feeling the answer would be “no”.

If thats aimed at me i was involved. Pledged some support for Omz, and deployed a small naval force to the area. Also tried to offer a neutral ground for diplomatic negotiations.

It wasn't aimed at you. I thought I would best say it again.

Tech Check-
Just to make sure this stuff is OK with you.
Aiborne Laser
A B-1B with an ABL, not an uber laser, but good enough to take down bombers, but it will only be used against missiles and air targets.
Microwave Weapons-
A variable Microwave projector on a B-1B, used to take out electronics.
Will not be used a lot, as not even our President knows of the existence of such programs.
Sky Eye-Redeployable Satellite network that locates enemy units, and translates coordinates to guided weapons for targeting.
Adaptive Camoflauge- Run of the mill "smart camoflauge" for aircraft. Can be detected thru perhiperial vision.

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Omz222 Coalition
Omz222
Clan Smoke Jaguar
Liberty Fighters
Remesia

I so wanna say something, but I believe it is in the best intrest of those involved not to. It might upset certain people.

Omz222 Coalition
Omz222
Clan Smoke Jaguar
Liberty Fighters
Remesia

I so wanna say something, but I believe it is in the best intrest of those involved not to. It might upset certain people.

lol

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Awww damnit. Damnit damnit damnit.

SC-1.535 billion
AMF-1.299 billion
Barberosa-1.93 billion
Omni Conglmerates-1.271 billion

Omz222-836 million
Clan SMoke Jaguar-1.339 billion
Liberty Fighters-317 million
Remiesia-580 million

Intresting numbers eh? Anyone else think its a bit...lopsided. Lets look at it this way->

Total posible number of Pro SC troops: 301,750,000 (Of course, SCs 100% SF army all count as five troops and are the best of the best, and a three billion man army couldnt stand against a single SC troop :roll: )

Total possible number of Anti SC troops: 153,600,000

Intresting? No?

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Eh, whatever you say.

Also, your a protestant. Dont call me friend. Ever.

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Imitora... if you bring that Protestant-Catholic crap into this I'll ignore you myself despite being on the same side. Just leave it outside, we're not in the real world here.

If you don't mind SC, I think I'd like Omz to confirm this list. I was under the impression that anyone from the old thread could send military aid and those who were not were the ones limited to diplomatic and economic support.

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This is why I sniped my comment... if Omz says he doesn't need my help, then he should be ok. Anyways... I have some research to do on my military to make it more realistic.

I can confirm the list.

Now, for those nation who got the wrong impression, I'm not saying that "You suck, screw off". I picked these people simply that these people could be suitable to assist in this operation (various reasons).

And of course, I also have a reason to choose these small numbered nation :P But I think people will know why later.

Will this be the OOC thread for the whole war, or just TGS stuff?

Imitora, that was a very assholish thing to type, man.

I can confirm the list.

Now, for those nation who got the wrong impression, I'm not saying that "You suck, screw off". I picked these people simply that these people could be suitable to assist in this operation (various reasons).

And of course, I also have a reason to choose these small numbered nation :P But I think people will know why later.

So TGS will mainly be specops and other small scale military operations?

So TGS will mainly be specops and other small scale military operations?

Well, I can say 2/3. I believe that Remiesia will help with the "primary fores", and I think I can handle other of the "regular" forces myself, along with some help from Remiesia.

But for various defending puproses, I picked LF. Also, I have other reasons of picking CSJ...

Well, that's my explanation.

*peer presure* Mabye SC should post his reasons */peer presure*

*peer presure* Mabye SC should post his reasons */peer presure*
OOC: Well frankly, I'm not doing this to let SC also post his reasons or making him look bad if he doesn't. But I wouldn't mind if he doesn't/does post his reasons.

I know, but I'd like to see why i was picked :D

I posted ealry in the first thread but it seemed to be unoticed can I get invloved?

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Might as well post links to these threads, as they will give a lot of info on systems used by both Omz222 and myself.
Aircraft (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68940)
Naval Systems (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68948)
Ground/Infantry Systems (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75689)
Munitions (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75693)
Components (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79051)
R & D Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79281)


Also Clan Smoke Jaguar Fact File: All You Need to Know (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88866) is where I'll be posting information on my military forces and organization.

Ummm am I to assume that this was a pre-planned ass kicking of Omz & Friends before I even got involved?

I mean, come on - even though we're playing defense and have a big advantage over the attackers, these guys could wipe the floor with us with their combined strength.

Now, as far as what my troops will do: they're modeled after the US Army with slightly better equipment. Any regular troops SC's friends throw at us will have a hell of a time destroying my dug-in forces...but the problem is that they have the size to have a bigger casualty tolerance than I do. They can throw wave after wave at me and eventually they will obliterate my boys if this RP goes the way I think it will.

So let's be clear about this: if they attack with the usual fare, they'll have to blast their way through 3 divisions and an Airborne Brigade, not to mention the air force units I still have to send over.

But if this is going to focus on special forces......well let's just say it won't be much of a war.

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Ooooooh I gotcha.

(But we are still getting our asses kicked then?)

:lol:

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The Gathering Storm will focus more on Special Forces infiltration, mounting pressure between the coalitions, and so forth. Then Friday night (I still have to come up with a cool name for the thing), the actual invasion will begin, with the taking of Honjaksgrad. Me and Omz222 have talked it over.To add to that, after Honjaksgrad is captured, the main SC forces (tanks, infantry, etc.) will flood in, and advance further.

Basically, the most RPing of SOFs will be in the Honjaksgrad capturing stage.

Also, my map:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/omz123/omzmap.jpg

(I know it is crappy, Paint made. But at least shows the general locations.)

I dunno about that. Omni Conglomerates is really going to help...

"we" as in Omz & Friends....I'm on his side.

Ooooooh I gotcha.

(But we are still getting our asses kicked then?)

:lol:
Hopefully not. Tactics counts here.

If they really destroyed both my Army, and my Reserves --- they still have to wait for the resistance group :wink:

*eyes thread :evil: goes off to make his own invasion of Omz...*

*eyes thread :evil: goes off to make his own invasion of Omz...*
OOC: I thought you are in isolation because I wouldn't sell you any metal to build your cardboard spaceships? :P

*eyes thread :evil: goes off to make his own invasion of Omz...*
OOC: I thought you are in isolation because I wouldn't sell you any metal to build your cardboard spaceships? :P

OOC: No, we're invading you to get more billions of tons of metal from you :D The conversion rate for our money went from 1 = 3 USD, to 38,000 = 1 USD within two minutes of you canceling the contract. We're starving, poor, pissed, and have a huge ass millitary and pleanty of ammo. :P

ADK: That's gotta hurt, you're worse off on the conversion factor than the Italians.

Omz: IdP and I can take ADK out of the picture if you'd like, if Iuthia is interested maybe he could help too.

OOC: a long dead issue, but I am a commonwealth I have 3 other colonies(fairly aquired) to pool men from, as I do. So the population of the main nation doesnt reflect my numbers. Although i wont send more than my main nation could support alone anyways, cant afford it...now im wondering why i bothered with this post. Lol.

ADK: That's gotta hurt, you're worse off on the conversion factor than the Italians.

Omz: IdP and I can take ADK out of the picture if you'd like, if Iuthia is interested maybe he could help too.
OOC: No, the afair between ADK and me is sorta an OOC one :P

How rural are these northwestern areas I've just sent an entire armored division to? :?

How rural are these northwestern areas I've just sent an entire armored division to? :?
At least it is plains where you landed :P

But south of that, there will be hills and mountains. Better be suited for cold mountain climate if you stay there, or my soldiers can provide you with the clothing :P

*looks at map and is confused*

You wanted the 4th to take up a position west of Osaria. The mountains are to the East...

*decides it's high time to go to bed :D*

anyway, I'll catch everybody later.

*looks at map and is confused*

You wanted the 4th to take up a position west of Osaria. The mountains are to the East...

*decides it's high time to go to bed :D*

anyway, I'll catch everybody later.
OOC: Still, there is a bit of mountains at the Osaria range. But ah well, your soldiers will get dressed up.

OOC: Actually I’d rather keep away from war for a while, I need to do some number crunching over my navy, which is pretty messed up right now, I had to do a overhaul because I don’t actually know what the difference is between a cruiser, destroyer and a frigate is…

I know enough to be able to say that Battleships are pretty much obsolete these days though… though they make good flagships. Also know enough not to have too many expensive carriers…

Meh… I’ll do some research when I’ve got the time…


Oh, now it’s time for a unrelated rant… Scandavian States, next time you leap into a political situation like the one I had with Al Anbar, telegram me. Otherwise I’m just going to get really annoyed. I was dealing with it in my own way and then you have to come in and threaten his nation with bombing in order to get back my tourists who shouldn’t of been there. I don’t care if things went well… you undermined my political talks and made the situation potentially more dangerous. I do things my way… if they were your tourists them fine… bomb the poo out of them… but don’t do it with mine.

Oh, now it’s time for a unrelated rant… Scandavian States, next time you leap into a political situation like the one I had with Al Anbar, telegram me. Otherwise I’m just going to get really annoyed. I was dealing with it in my own way and then you have to come in and threaten his nation with bombing in order to get back my tourists who shouldn’t of been there. I don’t care if things went well… you undermined my political talks and made the situation potentially more dangerous. I do things my way… if they were your tourists them fine… bomb the poo out of them… but don’t do it with mine.

1) Sorry about that, but at the time I wasn't happy with Al-Anbar and your tourists being there was just the pretext I needed to blow off some steam. Again, I aplogize.

2) Where the hell did this come from and why was it not addressed earlier? God knows you've had plenty of chances to do so, like t-gramming me, or you could have said "thanks, but no thanks" in the thread itself. I'd appreciate it if the next time you feel like going off on a tangeant that you t-gram me to do so, okay?

OOC: Actually I’d rather keep away from war for a while, I need to do some number crunching over my navy, which is pretty messed up right now, I had to do a overhaul because I don’t actually know what the difference is between a cruiser, destroyer and a frigate is…

I can help with you regarding that:

Cruisers = Your huge bombardment ships. Comes loaded with cruise missiles. Many battlecruiser also has large guns along with the missiles. The new American cruisers are also often installed with the AEGIS system, which allows the cruiser to act as an air defence platform.
Destroyers = Your average combat ship. A "normal" destroyer have many overall features, such as anti-submarine warfare capabilities, air defence, anti-ship/surface warfare, and even sometimes escort. Some destroyers also has the specific puprose of bombardment.
Frigates = The good old escort ship. Many frgiates has some overall capabilities, but generally is good at ASW and air defence.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's right, I should note that battlecruisers are just short of battleships and they have a hell of a punch.

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No I know, if you read the whole thing, is says soemthing like "and i dont know why im even posting this, because i dont intedn on sending more than I could support with one nation anyways"

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As of right now, I only have 2,000 men in Omz. They are a brigade of my Spec Ops. Omz hasnt repsonded to my agreement to send mroe support. I was going to ask him what he needed. Be it air support, I would send a couple wings, and some MEADs, SAM's andf various AA batteries. Ships, Ill send a fleet. Ground forces, and Armoed Division or two, Mech inf, maybe a BI. Some artillery for sure. Not much, Its all justifyed. No worries, if you still have some, (obviously) please say so. I am only hostile at all twards you IC, otherwise i like the way you have contributed to this RP.

As of right now, I only have 2,000 men in Omz. They are a brigade of my Spec Ops. Omz hasnt repsonded to my agreement to send mroe support. I was going to ask him what he needed. Be it air support, I would send a couple wings, and some MEADs, SAM's andf various AA batteries. Ships, Ill send a fleet. Ground forces, and Armoed Division or two, Mech inf, maybe a BI. Some artillery for sure. Not much, Its all justifyed. No worries, if you still have some, (obviously) please say so. I am only hostile at all twards you IC, otherwise i like the way you have contributed to this RP.

Sorry, can't seem to find it :?

But I do have a good air defence coverage (systems that can defend against cruise missiles, fast-flying stealth bombers, ballistic missiles etc.) plus those regular systems for defence against tactical ballistic missiles and "normal" strike/fighter aircraft, with the good ol' Hawks and Patriots for my reserve units. I will consider the army portion (Mech Inf/Armored Division however (assuming SPH/Towed artillery are included, as with every division).

Overall, thanks.

Actually I dont, I found it easier when i started seeing as most of the RPers io met didnt know anything about military organization of units. There fore when I say an armored Division, its all just tanks, mech inf, all APC's and LAV. I have artillery brigades, supply brigades etc. I get the same effect, jut simpler.

ill provide air support to the side which will give me more money :mrgreen:

Actually I dont, I found it easier when i started seeing as most of the RPers io met didnt know anything about military organization of units. There fore when I say an armored Division, its all just tanks, mech inf, all APC's and LAV. I have artillery brigades, supply brigades etc. I get the same effect, jut simpler.
OOC: Some do.

Good organization gives you a "tactical advantage" over the enemy incase of an war :P

OOC: Actually I’d rather keep away from war for a while, I need to do some number crunching over my navy, which is pretty messed up right now, I had to do a overhaul because I don’t actually know what the difference is between a cruiser, destroyer and a frigate is…

I can help with you regarding that:

Cruisers = Your huge bombardment ships. Comes loaded with cruise missiles. Many battlecruiser also has large guns along with the missiles. The new American cruisers are also often installed with the AEGIS system, which allows the cruiser to act as an air defence platform.
Destroyers = Your average combat ship. A "normal" destroyer have many overall features, such as anti-submarine warfare capabilities, air defence, anti-ship/surface warfare, and even sometimes escort. Some destroyers also has the specific puprose of bombardment.
Frigates = The good old escort ship. Many frgiates has some overall capabilities, but generally is good at ASW and air defence.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
A bit of elaboration.
All of these are escorts, and will either be specialized or multirole vessels. The primary difference is size and armament. Specialized units will either be bombardment, air defense, ASW, or ASuW (anti-surface warfare).

Cruisers generally have a displacement of 8000+ tons. These are usually multirole or air defense vessels. Bombardment vessels are also usually cruisers due to their higher weapons capacity.

Destroyers generally range from 4000 to 10,000 tons, and are, again, usually multirole vessels. However, larger ones may be primarily air defense ships and smaller ones can be specialized for ASW or ASuW.

Frigates are the smallest ocean-going escorts, and actually evolved from the small Destroyer-Escorts from WWII. They range from 2000 to 5000 tons, and are often specialized, usually for ASW operations. Still, there are multirole vessels in smaller navies where these may form the backbone.

Below that are Light Frigates and Corvettes (essentially the same thing). These are minor vessels that range from 800 to 2000 tons, and are again likely to be specialized, either as large missile boats or small ASW ships.
Anything smaller than that is classified as a patrol or missile boat.

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Hey omz, are my spec ops guys gonna meet up with saphfire at where ever you guys are headed? If not lets do something with em. And on another note, myself and my VERY close Ally, the Empire of ThirdEye are willing to send support to you, just say the word and we can get in more troops.

Okay, thats pretty cheap, you hear about our plans to possibly hit your supply lines in a way that there was no way you could have heard, and then you all of the sudden 'get concerned' about your supply lines? Wtf?

Kind of the wrong thread for this. The new thread for the actual war is this one: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92568

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