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MNN newsflash!

Mangala is in turmoil today after the news was made public that the nation of Pilon had managed to surface 3 large ships along with 300,000 troops in the Hellas sea without being detected by Mangala.

The Voice of the Council spoke to MNN briefly today, and was expected to calm fears of a massive security breakdown. In an unexpected move she instead announced that she would not be representing the council in this matter and would instead be handing authority over to her chief deputy Frank Terrel. The deputy Voice spoke at some length, saying that the government had confirmed that the craft had not entered the Hellas Sea via the canal. He did not comment on how else they might have obtained entry, but did say that "we're working on that." This reporter thinks that that fact was made obvious when he next announced that the entire staff of the Ministeries of Internal Security, State, and Defense would be required to work through the weekend.

Mr. Terrel, henceforward addressed as deputy VoC, has worked within the Mangalan government for sometime. No Imperial Minister could be reached for comment, but leaks from lower down inside the government hint that the deputy VoC is a man on his way up.

The Voice of the Council has acted in that capacity since the inception of the nation of Mangala over 100 years ago. In recent months it has been increasingly difficult to obtain comments from the Voice, usually known for her outspokenness on all matters of state. Rumors within the capital have been circulating to the effect that she has been spending significant amounts of time off-planet. Her office declined to comment for us tonight.

Secret IC

Two small (perhaps 10 meters long) submersibles crept along through the depths of the Hellas Sea. They were unmarked and unlit. Their orders were to shadow Pilon's vessels after they departed the rescue efort, and attempt to discern how they got in.

-on the surface (not secret)-

A flight of 5 Mangalan strike craft circled over Pilon's ships. Their weapons systems were not even powered up, but their obvious red green and blue markings clearly identifyed them as the ambassadors of a slightly ticked off nation state.

The Deputy Voice of the Council was even now on the holovid, attempting to contact Pilon.

Marduk heard the news, it had been a snap in his ear. He knew why Pilon would send troops to the Hellas Basin...they were there to kill him. Overlord Marduk lept from his throne and yelled a furious order to his aid "Deploy the military to the Hellas Basin! Kill anything the approaches Auman!" his aid, a tall well made man in his early 30's snapped off a salute and called over a radio operator. "Steel dog Alpha, this is Big Boss, be advised of enemy incursion in sector 4-4-3...Orders are to shoot on sight."

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Jarak's radio operator informed him of the situation, his battalion were to hold position and open fire on any suspected enemies. He had 20,000 men under his command. The Mangalans have suspected something around the area of 400,000. Colonel Jarak was scared shitless...to say the least. "Radio back confirmation of the order, thank Marduk for the chance to defend our glorious nation." said Colonel Jarak, his radio man acknowledged and began chatting into the reciever.

The Colonel looked to his right and noticed one of his men, well I guess that wouldn't be the correct word. He saw one of the boys that Marduk had sent him fumbling with a magazine, he walked over. "Here is how you fit it, Comrade." Jarak put the magazine into the ammo well with expert precision...what was he doing here? he thought, but two months ago he was only a Seargant in this battalion. Colonel Jarak was in over his head.


OOC:


The end of the AF Civil war has left the military in the worst state it has ever been, the majority of the ranking officers were killed either in the fighting or as a result of combat. Many lower ranking NCO's have been forced into high ranks...Morale is low in the new Auman Armed Forces, and the emergence of 300, 000 pilon troops is not helping anything.

The Southern Hellas Basin belongs to Auman(Formerly the AF) this affects my nation directly...dont worry, long gone are the days of Anti-Funitism and War mongering. Everday is a fight for survival for the people of Auman...

ooc:
*cue slapstick movie*

two goons representing Auman and Mangala sit in a puddle, happily playing in the water and spashing each other, drinking it, etc.

A little man suddenly waltzes through the puddle, splattering both with muddy water. Hilarity ensues

Auman, note Pilon was only there for disaster relief. Mangala at least it not questioning their motives (yet) but they pry didn't want to start a war. IC of course the government wouldn't mind you going all paranoid and getting as mad as you want! Gives us more leverage.

IC:

The deputy VoC today condemmed Pilon in his morning status report, warning that the presense of so many troops in the Hellas sea is a "recipe for disaster" with Vascilia County locate so nearby. He concluded by saying;

"Mangala has striven to keep relations good with Auman since it's inception. It is notable no military forces have ever been allowed across the portion of the Hellas sea that Mangala controls to attack any nation. How can we justify to Marduk, who's paranoia grows daily, that 300,000 troops have moved to within kilometers of his border without us telling them? Pilon is guilty of attempting to further harm already unraveling relations between the remains of AntiFunitism and the rest of the planet, and Mangala will not stand by and watch this warmongering lead to conflict."

After hearing about the recent problems and reactions of Mangala and Auman concerning the relief troops sent into Crimmond Pilon released this statement: Pilon does whatever they deem to be reasonable to ensure that Mars is a safe place to live. We will defend ourselves if provoked but do not want a war on our hands. Those troops have not violated either Mangalan or Vascilian Territory, we do not intend to violate either nation's territory. We have acted in such a manner because the quick and efficiant relief was needed in Crimmond due to a natural disaster and Pilon took up the reins to help out. After this is done Pilon's troops will load onto the troop transports and fly back to Pilon controlled territory.

MNN Evening Newsfeed

Deputy Voice of the Council Frank Terrel took Mangala's case before the MIDAS-II flag council today in an extraordinary session of that body, and MNN was there.

The Deputy VoC stood before the various members of the Flag Council, and made eye contact with each in turn. Then he turned his attention towards Admiral Corey Garland, and began to speak.

"I come before you today to protest the actions of the nation of Pilon. As you are aware, Pilon somehow surfaced 3 ships containing at least 300,000 troops in the Hellas sea, a body of water Mangala, at least in part, controls."

"While the troop's mission was laudable, for who could fault them for responding to a call for help, what is not acceptable for Mangala is their methods. This incident was a peaceful one, but that may not always be so. If Pilon was able to move 300,000 troops into the Hellas Sea to rescue victims of a disaster, what might stop them tomorrow from using that same capability to invade a nation on that sea without warning?"

(ooc: I'll add more on later, need to surrender the computer for a bit)

Admiral Wick, the Sunset council member, taps in some orders on his display. The cerimonial guards recieve their orders, but do not act yet.

"Deputy Voice, I believe we will need to speak to you, in private. If no one objects this will be a closed session except for the Deputy Voice."

Admiral Wick sends a private message to each of the others.

'I feel this would be wise as this treads close to classified information. Agreed?'

Colonel Jarak had recieved a transmission from the 3rd Transitional Battery, they were on route to support them in case of enemy insurgence. Captain Thom Bosovat was in charge of some 800 assorted artillery guns and crew. "Now we have some balls!" he called out to his men.

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Corporal Uzo looked out into the Basin with his magnoculars, he could spot the outline of one of the Pilonese vessels, "My god..." he muttered "How can we stop something like that?"

Admiral Garland watched the Deputy Voice intensely but said nothing. He was observing the Mangalan and trying to get used to the Node MK-II as it was still disorienting to him. He still couldn't focus well enough to effectively pick up on surface thoughts but he thought that he had the whole emotion thing down pretty solidly now.

The surface of the Pilonese Vessels seemed to ripple subtlely through the Magnoculars, it seemed as if the design of the ship was slowly moving, changing to react to the change in sunlight as it slowly moved over the ground...

"easily Comrades" the Vox message beamed to Auman Forces stated surrepticiously. "like this".... The sky over the Auman forces grew dark with Garfish troop Carriers as fully 24 ships [24 full companies] of the Naval Troopers floated lazily overhead. Along side the ships flew over 300 of the new Morgenraete Fighters, a far deadlier version of the Veritechs, large and slightly reminiscent of the Beta but in place of the two arms were two massive MASER cannons, and no feet, simply large GES thrusters that make the unit incredibly fast no matter what mode it was operating in.


Behind them were 3 divisions of the New stalk tanks, a smaller [25 feet tall] unit then the morgenraete, but with reverse articulated legs and the same arm cannons as well as a 30 rack SRM reminiscent of the Alpha design, coupled with 2 HV 35mm cannons it was a tough agile and very deadly new unit, the result of 140 years of Tannelorns obsessive research programmes. eight divisions of tannelorn knights equipped in fully armoured exoskeletons, kept pace with the stalk tanks as they moved in to positions alongside the Auman Defenders

Fully 240 000 Tannelorn Troops were dispatched to the scene within hours, a Testament to Tannelorns S.A.C. Capabilities...that and a warning to Pilon Soldiers.


"if you enter within the 200 kilometres of our Territorial Waters you will be eliminated with extreme Prejudice, Pull out of Hellas Basin while you still can....consider this your only warning. We shall not allow you to seed any more territories with your filthy Biological Weapons, be they friend or foe. Your villainous actions shall not be allowed to come to pass.....Leave now. We do not believe you are intending to give aid, but instead we believe that you wish to release the grey plague once again....All evidence points to the disease being manufactured, its genome is unnatural and it has residual product markers........
in essence we suspect you released the plague, and your forces shall not be allowed anywhere near the Borders of the Vascilian League....turn back now"

ooc: I NEED some info about psychic abilities. Mangala would logically have ways of guarding against them but I need to now enough details that I don't feel like a godmodder when I try to do so. I get the feeling "I defeat your puny powers with my own" wouldn't fly. anyway, if you're reading emotions terrel is currently calm and composed, a bit nervous but not showing it. He ISN"T angry.

IC:
The Deputy VoC was silent for a moment, and then spoke once more.

"Very well, I suppose that is acceptable. Where do I go?"
[secret IC: the DVoC is bugged, though only the people he'd report to anyway will hear what goes on. It's a sub-dermal sensor and theoretically undetectable. Just sos y'all know]

-Over the Hellas Sea-

4 Mangalan strike craft, weapons still powered down, shriek through the thin atmosphere above the Hellas Sea cutting inbetween the Pilonese ships and VC. A hovercraft projected a large view of the Voice of the Council.

"Please, stand down. Pilon means no harm with these ships, they are performing a legitimate rescue mission. This is an internal matter between Mangala and Pilon!"

The figure of the Voice rounded on the Pilon ships.

"Pilon Vessels, please remain well clear of VC waters. We are not responsible for the consequences of approaching this volatile region."

Marduk heard the words, but they didn't register in his brain...The Military were to remain on high alert for another two months.

After the Civil war the majority of the early warning sensors and other enemy detection devices had either been destroyed or the government did not have to funds to maintain them. Meaning, the Military is constantly in a state of high alert.

Auman has a total of 18 functioning Fighters in the Airforce, down from 800...the majority of Auman equipment is unoperable. The bulk of the Armed forces are made up of Light infantry and horse drawn Artillery.

OOC:

Yeah...we dont have any military vessels in the Basin, because Auman figured it was secure. We dont intend to attack anything, we're just flipping out that an overtly hostile force of such magnatude managed to come right up onto Auman's shores.

The Tannelorn Garfish are not surface vessels...but are actually Atmosphere capable marine space vessels. The can operate in space and in the sky. The deploy and support troops...Auman may or may not purchase these vessels as a stop gap measure for the replacement of the Anti-Funitist Space Defence Force, now know as the Auman Space Corps

Flipping out is good, keeps people worried, gives me diplomatic leverage. Mangala is IC trying to walk the line between a big loud scary VC to the south and a war... we want you loud but no one can die, I suppose is the ideal. We'll see...

April West glided her hand over her Jinn. She and every other navigator on Mars were on standby alert. If it came down to a fight, there wouldn't be any capital ship backup, not from Wazzu. But that was OK, there was no other fighter she would rather pilot.

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A broadcast was sent from orbiting Ares Station and nearby satelites to basically everyone in the Mars system.

"Wazzu requests emergency landing permission for one diplomat in Tannelorn."

It repeated three times to be sure everyone heard, and quit.

"easily Comrades" the Vox message beamed to Auman Forces stated surrepticiously. "like this".... The sky over the Auman forces grew dark with Garfish troop Carriers as fully 24 ships [24 full companies] of the Naval Troopers floated lazily overhead. Along side the ships flew over 300 of the new Morgenraete Fighters, a far deadlier version of the Veritechs, large and slightly reminiscent of the Beta but in place of the two arms were two massive MASER cannons, and no feet, simply large GES thrusters that make the unit incredibly fast no matter what mode it was operating in.


Behind them were 3 divisions of the New stalk tanks, a smaller [25 feet tall] unit then the morgenraete, but with reverse articulated legs and the same arm cannons as well as a 30 rack SRM reminiscent of the Alpha design, coupled with 2 HV 35mm cannons it was a tough agile and very deadly new unit, the result of 140 years of Tannelorns obsessive research programmes. eight divisions of tannelorn knights equipped in fully armoured exoskeletons, kept pace with the stalk tanks as they moved in to positions alongside the Auman Defenders

Fully 240 000 Tannelorn Troops were dispatched to the scene within hours, a Testament to Tannelorns S.A.C. Capabilities...that and a warning to Pilon Soldiers.


"if you enter within the 200 kilometres of our Territorial Waters you will be eliminated with extreme Prejudice, Pull out of Hellas Basin while you still can....consider this your only warning. We shall not allow you to seed any more territories with your filthy Biological Weapons, be they friend or foe. Your villainous actions shall not be allowed to come to pass.....Leave now. We do not believe you are intending to give aid, but instead we believe that you wish to release the grey plague once again....All evidence points to the disease being manufactured, its genome is unnatural and it has residual product markers........
in essence we suspect you released the plague, and your forces shall not be allowed anywhere near the Borders of the Vascilian League....turn back now"

A responce is sent back to Tannelorn: We are in the Sovereign nation of Crimmond and have no interest in Vascilia at all. We are already within 200 Kms of your border but we are doing humanitarian work. Attack if you will and see what kind of an international incident you cause. Your reaction to our peaceful presense is not welcome. In addition it was your own Ally, Auman that was responsible for the Grey Phage outbreak, not us, the plague came from their country and the outbreak was more severe in that country, we lost many lives before finding a cure. Your accusations insult us more than the presence of your ground forces.

ooc: I NEED some info about psychic abilities. Mangala would logically have ways of guarding against them but I need to now enough details that I don't feel like a godmodder when I try to do so. I get the feeling "I defeat your puny powers with my own" wouldn't fly. anyway, if you're reading emotions terrel is currently calm and composed, a bit nervous but not showing it. He ISN"T angry.

IC:
The Deputy VoC was silent for a moment, and then spoke once more.

"Very well, I suppose that is acceptable. Where do I go?"
[secret IC: the DVoC is bugged, though only the people he'd report to anyway will hear what goes on. It's a sub-dermal sensor and theoretically undetectable. Just sos y'all know]

-Over the Hellas Sea-

4 Mangalan strike craft, weapons still powered down, shriek through the thin atmosphere above the Hellas Sea cutting inbetween the Pilonese ships and VC. A hovercraft projected a large view of the Voice of the Council.

"Please, stand down. Pilon means no harm with these ships, they are performing a legitimate rescue mission. This is an internal matter between Mangala and Pilon!"

The figure of the Voice rounded on the Pilon ships.

"Pilon Vessels, please remain well clear of VC waters. We are not responsible for the consequences of approaching this volatile region."

OOC: OK, just to let you know we pick up emotions using the nodelink not with psychic abilities though it works similarly and a psychic defence would definately protect you against it. It takes training to protect yourself from a psychic, and something as subtle as a surface read or emotional scan is barely even noticable so is hard to defend against.
IC: "We have no intentions of moving any closer than we have to to the Vascilian Border, tell Tannelorn ships to stand down or we will find the need to send in additional forces to ensure the safety of our relief forces. Their presence is making the situation much, much worse than it already is."

OOC:

As I recall I never agreed that it was my nation that Spread the Virus to Mars or anywhere else...in fact I thought we agreed that it was Pilon who engineered the disease and spread it to the AF during the Polar war, Oh well! Because this is OOC it has no real effect on what you said.

I would suggest moving your ships some 60 km north to avoid the Wrath of the Vascilian League, this is our Sovreignty territory that you have invaded...you entered the Basin with out the permission of the Owners...those being Auman and Magala, you're lucky those ships haven't been blasted out of existance already.

I can only respond OOCly because Auman Armed Forces lack sophisticated communications devices...I believe were reduced to using Carrier Pigeons and Telegraph.

OOC:

As I recall I never agreed that it was my nation that Spread the Virus to Mars or anywhere else...in fact I thought we agreed that it was Pilon who engineered the disease and spread it to the AF during the Polar war, Oh well! Because this is OOC it has no real effect on what you said.

I would suggest moving your ships some 60 km north to avoid the Wrath of the Vascilian League, this is our Sovreignty territory that you have invaded...you entered the Basin with out the permission of the Owners...those being Auman and Magala, you're lucky those ships haven't been blasted out of existance already.

I can only respond OOCly because Auman Armed Forces lack sophisticated communications devices...I believe were reduced to using Carrier Pigeons and Telegraph.

ooc: I was responding OOC, Pilon is quite adamant that they were not responsible for that plague.

ic: We will be where we are required to carry out our mission, which is to help Crimmond during their time of Crisis. We do not recognize your claim to the Basin, though we do recognize Mangala's. We are actually in Crimmond's territory and as long as Crimmond wants us there we will remain.

ooc: The Deputy VoC taps his foot and wanders around the empty flag council place wondering where everyone went.

IC:

MNN NewsFlash:
MNN was informed only minutes ago that Mangala has put it's military on Alert Level 3. AL3 is of course the second highest possible peacetime alert, and means that the bulk of Mangala's standing army must be ready to deploy on 24 hours notice. This is the first time the military has been put on this high an alert level in at least 3 decades. The Voice of the Council has said that the Imperial Council will not comment any further on the crisis besides calling for a peaceful and bloodless resolution. She referred all other enquiries to the Ministery of State and the Pilonese Embassy.

In other news, the Mangalan Center for Disease Control and Analysis, announced today that according to its best efforts at researching the spread of the plauge, it could not have been started by Pilon, putting the lid on the simmering controversy in the streets of Mangala surrounding Pilon's formiddable biological weapons capabilities, at least for the time being.

this is in the Vascilian Sphere of influence, all pilon forces must leave or be destroyed. This is a final warning, Pilon spread this plague, we have proof and we shall not allow them close enough to infect any of our neighbouring countries. If their is a humanitarian Crisis, Tannelorn is FAR FAR better equipped to supply food, medicine and Vaccine's then Pilons economically deficient nation.


Pilon could have only one reason as it lacks the infrastructure and economic power to give out help to other nations as its weak economy is struggling to save its own citizens. It wishes to spread the plague in an attempt to weaken the vascilian League, Mangala, Crimmond and alll other southern martian nations. Why would they dare to come to the south with 300 000 of their deficient soldiers, to bring humanitarian aid.
Unless this aid entails occupying Mangala, as we suspect.............

You have 48 hours to pull all of your forces out of the Hellas Basin or you will be eliminated with extreme prejudice.

Any attempts by Pilon to intercept the Aid that we shall send to Crimmondshall be met with extreme force, both on the ground, at sea, in the air and in the depths of space itself. You villainous leaders have overstepped their bounds for the last time and this shall not be tolerated

ooc This is our sphere of influence and we shall bring aid. not only that, but international law states territorial water Boundaries of 200 km...and to go to crimmond means you overlap in to there territory....and i saw the post you sent to AF Pilon...the one where you admitted to releasing the plague to destroy AF....

Auman's current stance on the situation is as follows. Surrender your vessels for immediate inspection, though you may not acknowledge our claim to the Basin you do not have sufficient force in the area to enforce your own will upon the Vascilian League.

We will search your vessels, you will allow Vascilian Observers to accompany your fleet to Mizar 3 and your vessels will then be promptly escorted out of the Basin. Next time you wish to use the Mangalan canal and navigate through Vascilian Waters you will use the proper protocol...Your behaviour is totally unwarranted. We are being lenient because of the special circumstances of your mission, next time we will not be so compromising.

OOC:

Pilon, you should have informed the Mangalan and Auman port authorities before surfacing 300,000 troops in our territorial waters...this is an act of war, you are lucky those ships haven't been sunk yet.

OOC:
from AF's timeline at http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89039&highlight=

"-2315: While on patrol in the Great Northern Wastes Overlord Marduk is attacked by an enemy tank force. Soon Marduk would be drawn to a remote base where he would discover, with the help of a mysterious Psyker, that Overlord Rogal Kint had spread the disease to the people..."

Just to make sure that ooc we're all on the same page

OOC: I didn't really want to get involves, but I suppose I must. My position is that since Vascilia County already claims some open water they cannot then in turn claim 'territorial waters' as they have essentially already done so.

IC:

MNN Broadcast, 'Legal RoundTable' Section

"The claims of both Tannelorn and Auman government officials are disengenious. The Pilon vessels surfaced in the narrow stretch of water between Vascilia County's declared borders and Mangala's. Both have claims that extend beyond the Terran traditional 200km from land - claiming an extension on this for 'territorial waters' is..."

"Bill, sorry to interupt, but during the Polar War the point was repeatedly brought up that Vascilia County was ignoring the legalities of the situation. Doesn't this seem like an odd position to take considering their previous actions?"

"Well yes - in my opinion they are simply ignoring the laws that don't suit them, and re-interpreting the traditional laws to suit themselves."

"Thank you Bill."

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In the Flag Council session...

The doors swung shut, and bars slid into place to seal the room.

Admiral Wick turned to the Pilon representative. "How much is revealed is up to you - but likely after the situation is over the assets will have to be moved. There is simply too much attention there now."

ooc 200 km is a long distance....in fact with the border claims their is no way it could have NOT gone through Mangala or Vascilian waters to reach Crimmond, Second as this is a southern Issue, we believe we can say get lost to an enemy nation. In fact.....the americans did that to the soviets in the missile crisis, of course they were called on the missile bases in turkey and had to pull them out but thats not the point. The point is in RL Pilons forces would have been considered hostile and most likely attacked by any nation...who was not allied with them....after all 300 000 troops is a lot of manpower....for a humanitarian crisis.


We interpret the laws properly, You see the letter of the law is the point here, and in the letter of the law we are fully authorised to destroy the pilonese "fleet" as they would call it. as we said 45 hours to go, Little brother.

OOC: So you are claiming an additional 200km? Even with that there is a narrow strip of open water more than 50km across that is 'international water'.

ooc lets see about that, hmm having to go through Mangala period, without Permission i might add, not only that but....our 200km is not represented fully on the maps, neither is the crimmond ones, but...you did go through Mangala's waters...and that much is that simple....thats why their is a crisis right now after all.

OOC: Purely OOC - they didn't go through Mangala's waters. And I did the math - adding in this 200km for both you and Mangala - and Pilon has a nice stretch he can surface in.

ooc so the Canal is not Mangala's waters then?? well i just looked at the map and well....Pilon moved three hundred thousand troops through the Mangalan Canal, without permission as this thread is about that.
Second as we explained, Crimmond is too close to VC territory, to allow Pilon to have that many troops there for a humanitarian mission....the whole thing reeks of a plot, as you dont send that many soldiers to relieve a crisis, you send relief workers and in Real life, EVERYONE gets 200 km of Territorial waters, even if there is an overlap [its why china claims to own South korea and Japan by the way]

Learned about that when we found out about the cod crisis, and how now that is the way it works, everyone gets 200 km from their border as territory. You see, we can claim water, but it doesnt matter, legally we all get 200km from the border.

OOC: Real-life international standard is 5-10 miles, not 200km. I suggest you surf the UN site some.

IC: Wazzu holds a weekly press conference. Typically, this rates a soundbyte or two. Now, this rated a full cut.

http://members.cox.net/davage/images/ManarTawam.jpg

Manar Tawam, speaker for the government of Wazzu, stood at a podeum somewhere on Earth, speaking to gathered national and international newscasters.

"The Vascilian League has gone too far. Yes, the Pilon government made a mistake and suprised the neutral nation of Mangala. But Mangala has all but forgiven our allies who are there on a mission of mercy.

"Repeatedly, Vascilian state leaders have condemed Pilon's economy and troops, yet they act out of fear. They demand Pilon fleets move out of international territory or suffer attack.

"Repeatedly, these same fascists claim that Pilon spread a bioweapon in their nation. The same Pilon they claim impotent, and from tourists they do not let into their nation. Are we to believe the propagandists of a dictatorship that have been caught in lies in the past?

"An attack on the Pilon aid fleet will not be tolerated. Vascilia must learn that it can decieve its own people, but attempts to control the international community will not go unpunished.

"The first [[OOC: only]] Wazzu CG-moniter flotilla is now making its way to Mars. It will be supported by fighters already located in Wazzu Elysium. In addition, reserves in Wazzu Elysium have been called up, and the military is readying itself to be mobilized.

"Wazzu will not strike first, but should Vascilia bring hostilities to the red planet, Wazzu will be sure to finish them."

---CLIP ENDS---

ooc so the Canal is not Mangala's waters then?? well i just looked at the map and well....Pilon moved three hundred thousand troops through the Mangalan Canal, without permission as this thread is about that.

Learned about that when we found out about the cod crisis, and how now that is the way it works, everyone gets 200 km from their border as territory. You see, we can claim water, but it doesnt matter, legally we all get 200km from the border.

OOC: They didn't go through the canal. As I said, they didn't go through Mangalan waters. The assumption is that they did, but the facts are that they didn't.

As I said - if you use the map and do the math, there is still unclaimed 'international waters' in the Hellas Basin. Whether you like it or not, Pilon has every right to have ships there.

ooc: The Deputy VoC taps his foot and wanders around the empty flag council place wondering where everyone went.

IC:

MNN NewsFlash:
MNN was informed only minutes ago that Mangala has put it's military on Alert Level 3. AL3 is of course the second highest possible peacetime alert, and means that the bulk of Mangala's standing army must be ready to deploy on 24 hours notice. This is the first time the military has been put on this high an alert level in at least 3 decades. The Voice of the Council has said that the Imperial Council will not comment any further on the crisis besides calling for a peaceful and bloodless resolution. She referred all other enquiries to the Ministery of State and the Pilonese Embassy.

In other news, the Mangalan Center for Disease Control and Analysis, announced today that according to its best efforts at researching the spread of the plauge, it could not have been started by Pilon, putting the lid on the simmering controversy in the streets of Mangala surrounding Pilon's formiddable biological weapons capabilities, at least for the time being.

In response to the raised threat level in Mangala Pilon also raises their threat level to Gold (the highest level before War), leave is cancelled for all soliders and additional funds are shifted from peacetime research projects to wartime materials and research. All non-Pilonese in Pilon controlled territory are required to keep an ID on them at all times that transmits their positions to the Pilon Ministry of Internal Security.
In an official responce the Pilon Ministry of Disease applauds Mangala for their intelligence in seeing the true perpetrators of the Grey Phage outbreak and encourage all other nations to listen to their wise words.

this is in the Vascilian Sphere of influence, all pilon forces must leave or be destroyed. This is a final warning, Pilon spread this plague, we have proof and we shall not allow them close enough to infect any of our neighbouring countries. If their is a humanitarian Crisis, Tannelorn is FAR FAR better equipped to supply food, medicine and Vaccine's then Pilons economically deficient nation.


Pilon could have only one reason as it lacks the infrastructure and economic power to give out help to other nations as its weak economy is struggling to save its own citizens. It wishes to spread the plague in an attempt to weaken the vascilian League, Mangala, Crimmond and alll other southern martian nations. Why would they dare to come to the south with 300 000 of their deficient soldiers, to bring humanitarian aid.
Unless this aid entails occupying Mangala, as we suspect.............

You have 48 hours to pull all of your forces out of the Hellas Basin or you will be eliminated with extreme prejudice.

Any attempts by Pilon to intercept the Aid that we shall send to Crimmondshall be met with extreme force, both on the ground, at sea, in the air and in the depths of space itself. You villainous leaders have overstepped their bounds for the last time and this shall not be tolerated

ooc This is our sphere of influence and we shall bring aid. not only that, but international law states territorial water Boundaries of 200 km...and to go to crimmond means you overlap in to there territory....and i saw the post you sent to AF Pilon...the one where you admitted to releasing the plague to destroy AF....

OOC: You do realize that only Pilon itself has an Imploded economy right? Check out Martian Pilon's Economy sometime. Also that was an OOC comment about the Grey Phage and cannot be used ICly.

IC: Your puny Vascilian Sphere of influence does not include that of the Sovereign nation of Crimmond within whose territory we are occupying. If Crimmond wants our troops to leave we will leave but as of yet they have not expressed such desires. We are on a humanitarian mission in their country and are saving LIVES, do you not undertand that?
As far as the Grey Phage is concerned that is a mute point, the disease has been long since cured, we have no cases of Grey Phage in our country, you are simply using the outbreak as an excuse for your own political gains, which is sick, a reflection of the Vascilian Foreign Policy to be sure. Your lies about our country shall not be tolerated. Though our main country is currently in Economic Turmoil here on Mars we are far from the effects of such problems. Our robust economy is quite healthy and we are indeed trying to help out our neighbors, something else that is alien to the Vascilians. Tannelorn, we refuse to give in to your threats, but remember if you attack our soldiers it will be considered an act of War and we will respond appropriately. You are out of line, we are trying to save lives, not end them. We fully support your aid to Crimmond and gladly allow such aid to get to those who need it, we will not interfere.

MNN update: Hellas Sea Crisis

Announcer: Today we'll be having a round table discussion of the current crisis in the Hellas Sea

Moderator: Joining us today are Gen Thomas Reilly(ret.), Deputy Minister of State Natasha DeLoran, and the Ministry of Diplomacy's executive diplomatic liason to Pilon. Thank you all for participating today. Let's start by examining the current situation. You first General.

Gen TR: Well currently Mangala is slowly moving their surface assets up to full alert, as well as deploying a small force directly on the Crimmond border. This is probably partially simply a way of showing that Mangala is serious about the intrusion, since there is no way that the Military would let those ships into Crimmond itself. Not only is Crimmond a strong ally of Mangala's, they have just suffered a terrible tragedy. It was only Pilon's regrettable response to this tragedy that caused these problems. Meanwhile the Deputy Voice of the Council is being stonewalled in the MIDAS2 Flag Council and-

Natasha DL (breaking in): Now excuse me sir. The DVoC is not being 'stonewalled' it simply takes time for these things to be discussed.

Gen TR: Ha! Last I heard Sunset had marched him off to a private suite for milk and cookies. I'd be surprised if they get anything useful out of the Flag Council for days.

NDL: Well, certainly Pilon is not responding to our protest as fast as we might like, but these are the proper channels for such things, and this is a good test of the MIDAS treaty's methods for handling this. (an aside: "heaven forbid they bother to consider what the Treaty might say about a member state being in the wrongin an international dispute)

Moderator: So, Natasha, why is what happened so important? Wasn't Pilon simply on a rescue mission?

NDL: The problem is not Pilon's current intentions. The problem is that the Nation of Pilon was able to move 300,000 troops into the Hellas Sea. They did this WITHOUT us knowing that they did, or how they did it. We do know they DIDN'T use the canal. Our sensors also indicate that the ships were not flown in. How, then, did those 300,000 troops get there? The Mangalan Imperium has always felt that the Hellas Sea was a safe region, because they believed that they controlled the only access point to it by water, and could moniter any incoming air or ground vehicles that approached the sea.

Moderator: We have to go to a commercial break, but we'll be back in a minute with more information for you.

MNN, informing you, every day.

(commercial)

Auman's current stance on the situation is as follows. Surrender your vessels for immediate inspection, though you may not acknowledge our claim to the Basin you do not have sufficient force in the area to enforce your own will upon the Vascilian League.

We will search your vessels, you will allow Vascilian Observers to accompany your fleet to Mizar 3 and your vessels will then be promptly escorted out of the Basin. Next time you wish to use the Mangalan canal and navigate through Vascilian Waters you will use the proper protocol...Your behaviour is totally unwarranted. We are being lenient because of the special circumstances of your mission, next time we will not be so compromising.

OOC:

Pilon, you should have informed the Mangalan and Auman port authorities before surfacing 300,000 troops in our territorial waters...this is an act of war, you are lucky those ships haven't been sunk yet.

OOC: Hey look on the Mars map, we came from the center of the Basin. We have not crossed into either Mangalan or Vascilian Territory, we're in Crimmond's.

IC: The nation of Pilon will not submit to Vascilian inspectors, we do not recognize your authority and as our ships are now hovering over Crimmond's territory you are out of line trying to come in and assert authority over our ships in Crimmond's territory. We are already in Mizar 3 territory.

OOC: I didn't really want to get involves, but I suppose I must. My position is that since Vascilia County already claims some open water they cannot then in turn claim 'territorial waters' as they have essentially already done so.

IC:

MNN Broadcast, 'Legal RoundTable' Section

"The claims of both Tannelorn and Auman government officials are disengenious. The Pilon vessels surfaced in the narrow stretch of water between Vascilia County's declared borders and Mangala's. Both have claims that extend beyond the Terran traditional 200km from land - claiming an extension on this for 'territorial waters' is..."

"Bill, sorry to interupt, but during the Polar War the point was repeatedly brought up that Vascilia County was ignoring the legalities of the situation. Doesn't this seem like an odd position to take considering their previous actions?"

"Well yes - in my opinion they are simply ignoring the laws that don't suit them, and re-interpreting the traditional laws to suit themselves."

"Thank you Bill."

---

In the Flag Council session...

The doors swung shut, and bars slid into place to seal the room.

Admiral Wick turned to the Pilon representative. "How much is revealed is up to you - but likely after the situation is over the assets will have to be moved. There is simply too much attention there now."

Admiral Garland leaned over and whispered. "We are already working on that..."

ooc so the Canal is not Mangala's waters then?? well i just looked at the map and well....Pilon moved three hundred thousand troops through the Mangalan Canal, without permission as this thread is about that.
Second as we explained, Crimmond is too close to VC territory, to allow Pilon to have that many troops there for a humanitarian mission....the whole thing reeks of a plot, as you dont send that many soldiers to relieve a crisis, you send relief workers and in Real life, EVERYONE gets 200 km of Territorial waters, even if there is an overlap [its why china claims to own South korea and Japan by the way]

Learned about that when we found out about the cod crisis, and how now that is the way it works, everyone gets 200 km from their border as territory. You see, we can claim water, but it doesnt matter, legally we all get 200km from the border.

OOC: Nowhere in my post did I say that I moved through the Canal. Mangala knows how I got my troops there and is satisfied IC with my explanation.

OOC:

Pilon, you mean I'm satisfied OOC with your explanation, which is true. IC, however, I have no idea how they got in, though the forces we have secretly IC may or may not find that out soon, or you might tell the DVoC in that secret meeting.

And to settle the borders thing ooc:

Pilon's ships never, ic or ooc, left Crimmond's area. They are fine. I don't know about VC, but Mangala is only upset about the fact that they were able to get in, not about where they are right now.

"The Trinity would like to remind all powers involved that obvious name calling and finger pointing has no place in the realm of real politik. We highly hope that the various delegates will learn to treat everyone with respect and dignity. Even if they don't deserve it."

"We also frown on attempting to get MIDAS II involved in this. The crisis can easily be resolved if all parties show a little cooperation."

"And as always, the many private businesses of hostile peacekeeper and hazardous salvagers remains at the ready should anyone choose to use it."

¤The Tritarchic Dominions of New ArAreBee¤

#tag#

Martian RP, so I can't get involved.

This has been an OOC post.

OOC:

Pilon, you mean I'm satisfied OOC with your explanation, which is true. IC, however, I have no idea how they got in, though the forces we have secretly IC may or may not find that out soon, or you might tell the DVoC in that secret meeting.

And to settle the borders thing ooc:

Pilon's ships never, ic or ooc, left Crimmond's area. They are fine. I don't know about VC, but Mangala is only upset about the fact that they were able to get in, not about where they are right now.

I thought thats what I said. OOC you are satisfied with my explanation. Time will tell as to whom we tell.

OOC: Nowhere in my post did I say that I moved through the Canal. Mangala knows how I got my troops there and is satisfied IC with my explanation.

ooc: it was just a typo, you wrote IC, meant ooc, I didn't want anyone to be confused.

IC:

The Voice of the Council took Mangala's appeal directly to the people of Mars today, appearing on every major Martian news network or newsfeedsite while her deputy works behind the scenes to end this conflict. Her message was the same throughout the day.

[VoC clip plays, showing her imposing face adressing the viewers]

"The Imperial Council of Mangala grows increasingly frusterated in it's attempts to resolve this conflict. What we want is simple. Pilon must, secretly if necessary, explain to the government and the citizens of Mangala how it moved 300,000 troops into a sea we thought was secure. This is not about saving face, and it is not about name calling."

The Voice paused and her face grew more severe.

"What is at stake here is the safety of an entire region of Mars. The Mangalan tourism trade has suffered drastically when potential visitors became aware that there was the possible threat of armed invasion in what was advertised as a safe area. Setting aside the issue of tourism, how can the Council allow Mangalan citizens to go about their lives questioning the ability of their own government to protect them? How can we know that we are safe at night? Pilon must answer our questions."

"There are some who question our involving the MIDAS-II flag council in this. We came to that body in good faith, because it is the highest planetary authority in existence at this time, and because one of it's member states, Pilon, was the nation we were concerned with. Our good faith effort to peacefully settle this behind closed doors has been met by stonewalling and stalling."

"If Pilon refuses to even discuss the incident with my esteemed deputy, Mangala will take steps to discover the truth ourselves. The nation of Pilon has 24 hours to communicate their response to Mr Terrel. That is all."

An address is made from orbit to all the arguing nations from the CSS Lionsbane, Admiral Saratov commanding. The message comes over in Russian.

"To all nations that are apparently ready to start a war over a disaster that has befallen my people...

Move your forces, civilian and military, out of the Mizar Province of the Crimmond Imperium within eight hours. Failure to do so will result in... dire consequences."

The message cuts out and the dreadnaught does not respond to any hails, simply sitting in orbit above the Mizar province, two heavy cruisers and another dreadnaught of a different class joining the Lionsbane within minutes. Their intention seems clear.

No word from the capital on Earth has been heard.

OOC:
from AF's timeline at http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89039&highlight=

"-2315: While on patrol in the Great Northern Wastes Overlord Marduk is attacked by an enemy tank force. Soon Marduk would be drawn to a remote base where he would discover, with the help of a mysterious Psyker, that Overlord Rogal Kint had spread the disease to the people..."

Just to make sure that ooc we're all on the same page

Yeah, there is a more detailed account some where on my comp. Face Dancers were intercepted and killed while they were trying to spread the disease...Disaster averted, or was it? Overlord Kint took the disease and spread it to his people so that he could use it to secure his own political goals...the AF didn't spread it to any other nation, it was not developed by the AF nor was it intended to get out of hand. The problem was all started by one upstart Overlord looking to seize control of a nation.

OOC: Purely OOC - they didn't go through Mangala's waters. And I did the math - adding in this 200km for both you and Mangala - and Pilon has a nice stretch he can surface in.

I agree with Tannelorn, it is impossible for Pilon to 'not' have gone through Mangala's waters...considering the only way in or out of the Basin is through Mangalan water ways, Comrade, Pilon is wrong.

Auman, Like Mangala, is only upset at Pilon because they moved 300,000 heavily armed troops into the only undefended body of water on all of Mars. Neither Auman or Mangala had military assets in the Hellas Basin...Auman is furious that Pilon did not ask for permission from either Mangala or ourselves to move military hardware through the Basin, also they did not use the proper procedure for moving equipment through the safe zone.

We ask that on the return trip Pilon forces submit to inspection by Auman and Mangalan inspectors, a standard inspection to make sure there is no smuggling or other illegal activities going on here. If not, the vessels will be impounded. This is not Vascilia flaunting international law, this is the League insuring the safety of the Hellas Basin. Tannelorn has been ordered not to open fire upon Pilonese assets unless fired upon. All observing nations can understand that this is a gross violation of Mangalan and Auman Sovereignty.

OOC:

C'mon...this is bullshit, 300,000 troops all of a sudden appear in an undefended portion of Mangalan and Vascilian Waters? its like if 300,000 Russians just appeared on the border between Canada and the United States. You can understand why we're so upset, and I can guarantee no one will be getting away with this...there wouldn't be a problem if Pilon didn't flaunt International Law.

The Hellas Basin is a Weapons free zone.

ooc ok yeah, guys....you at MIDAS II have at least in my learned opinion [ i take courses on this stuff so do not argue] Always flaunted international law....i mean come on Roania gave us new roan, and much like the hundred years war the French who flaunted the international law of Lineage and right started a war, by refusing the rightful rule of the king of france. Simply put you guys dont know very much about modern international law, which you seem to be so, so up on. Well lets see, in international you are not allowed to move submarines through someones canal, without notifying them first, also you are most definetly not allowed to move submarines through someones canal with 300 000 poorly trained and equipped soldiers

now lets get to the point....you say they didnt move through the canal????? well did they fly there???? my Garfish can operate anywhere, Space, Air and Sea but as far as i know, Submarines cant do that...now please explain to us how, on your map the sub's could possibly have gotten in to the hellas Basin, without going through the canal...and if you have a network of tunnels under other peoples nations....that is quite literally cause....remember i am a history student and MIDAS acts like a bunch of villains...no joke.....we would have announced we were going through, as we respect the sovereignty of other nations [as we have said a thousand times]


IC
Mangala, The divine Celestial Kingdom of Tannelorn Supports you in your time of need and in response we are offering an additional 200 of the new Morgenraete Fighters to assist your efforts to rid the south of the vile cancer of the northern imperialists.

OOC: Tannelorn, I am a political science student, I take classes on this too.

There has been NO violation of either VC or Mangalan territory. Pilon's ships "appeared" in either Crimmond or unclaimed waters. How? I don't even know OOCly, but because of what has been said OOCly between Sunset, Pilon, and Mangala, I am certain there is an explination.

But those ships did not fly in, and did not go through the canal, and did not go through either VC or Mangalan waters.

On Roania...Roania was a protectorate of Tor Yvresse. A suitable comparison to the real world might be Hawaii giving an island to Japan. Roania did not have the legal right to give up property that in essence belonged to Tor Yvresse (who I remind you is not even in MIDAS-II).

IC: Rebuffed by VC, or rather ignored by them, the same diplomat who was to go to their nation decided she had better try Mangala instead. A transmission was sent through diplomatic channels.

"Wazzu requests permission to land a diplomat in Mangala in hopes to help relieve tension in this situation."

We in the Vascilian League are not worried about territory, we are upset that the nation of Pilon would have such flagrant disrespect for both Auman and Mangala to surface 300,000 troops with out even informing us, We believe this to be an act of Arrogance, not war. We are insulted by the behaviour of Pilon. We are not at all worried about invasion...as we are more than able to fend one off.

The Vascilian League has entered into negotiations with Mangala to set up a combined Police Force for the Hellas Basin.(Mangala Check TG's)
Auman will claim all unclaimed waters in the Basin within 200 km's as of this point. Mangala is invited to do the same...I guess Mizar 3 can do the same, but they seem uninterested.

The Vascilian League wants peace like all else, but unlike the MIDAS nations we do not have the luxury of being surrounded by friendly nations. Good day to you all, may relations between our great Leagues improve...in time.

OOC:

Please look back on my previous posts...the Hellas Basin no longer has any international waters, it belongs to Mizar 3, Mangala and Auman. No more of these unwelcomed visits, its insulting.

OOC: 200km will still leave a open stretch of water between both of you - nearly 300km in fact. If you wish to claim the entire basin, that can be arranged.

IC:
Behind closed doors (And because Pilon hasn't posted...)

"The reason the Pilon troops were able to appear out of nowhere is that they have been their for some time. Before the Polar war and before Mangala's southern expansion Pilon built a base in the middle of the Hellas Basin to monitor Vascilia County.

In conjunction with other technologies held by Pilon they have expanded the facility and stationed troops there to provide a rapid reaction response to Vascilian aggression. In the face of a humanitarian disaster, they felt it wise to contribute to the effort."

Admiral Wick finished, then looked to Admiral Garland for a moment.

"The base is not a MIDAS facility, thus we have no control over it. However, I believe that the base is considered 'compromised' at this point. It will likely be evacuated."

OOC:

*Slaps Forehead!*

Ugh...So, this is how its been the whole time? you know now that I know you guys have been pulling stunts like this Im going to do it right back to ya'll...Im not going to stand for Imperialist behaviour, the Red Mars movement is back with a vengeance in Auman

Iam Claiming 200km's extra, though Im going to leave the rest to Mangala. His economy could use the boost...the extra resources that he'd get by recieving those waters would probably help out some.

An address is made from orbit to all the arguing nations from the CSS Lionsbane, Admiral Saratov commanding. The message comes over in Russian.

"To all nations that are apparently ready to start a war over a disaster that has befallen my people...

Move your forces, civilian and military, out of the Mizar Province of the Crimmond Imperium within eight hours. Failure to do so will result in... dire consequences."

The message cuts out and the dreadnaught does not respond to any hails, simply sitting in orbit above the Mizar province, two heavy cruisers and another dreadnaught of a different class joining the Lionsbane within minutes. Their intention seems clear.

No word from the capital on Earth has been heard.Ahem.

OOC: Wanna start moving before the Admiral gets mad?

The Hellas Basin is a Weapons free zone.OOC: Tell that to my military. They have ships in there all the time. The Empire doesn't leave it's borders, land, sea or air go undefended.

I would do this as roleplay but it's long and complicated and I want to make sure everyone is clear on it ALL.

1) Tannelorn, Mangala thanks you for your support (and secretlyIC sends a couple diplomats to go discuss our options), but refuses any military aid, as this is not a military operation it is a diplomatic on.

2) Auman, Mangala distances itself from your violent rhetoric but also agrees with your indignation over the troops.

3) ooc only: Pilon, ooc you mentioned a long underground tunnel, now Sunset mentions a base in the Hellas Basin. What gives?

4) The Hellas Basin is not a weapons free zone, no agreement was made regarding that YET. The CANAL is a military free zone.

5) Crimmond: Mangala has no ships in your territory, only on the border. The small flight of fighters (with weapons powered down) that had been trying to keep Auman's forces seperate from Pilon's peeled off and left when asked too. We are trying to stay on good terms with you.

6) Mangala does NOT recognize Auman's claim of additional territory and, while it is unwilling as of yet to stop Auman using force, it strongly disagrees with this move. Mangala also does NOT claim any additional territory of their own. We like there being a strip of international waters between VC and other nations, it helps us keep the area quiet and safe. We put forward that being surrounded by int. waters is better than being surrounded by unfriendly nations.

7) Sunset, thank you both IC and OOC for recognizing the DVoC in the meeting and actually responding to him. Here's a secret: Your actions IC stopped Mangala from giving it's underwater forces the go to locate and cordon off Pilon's base.

8) Finally, and this is important, One thing Mangala has been building up to is that Mars obviously needs an arbitration body that can rule in cases like this and help settle them more amicably. I will post more on this ic later.

EDIT: poop I knew I forgot something... Wazzu yes please come on in, we love diplomats. Consider yourself getting a red carpet reception in the capitol.

OOC: Nowhere in my post did I say that I moved through the Canal. Mangala knows how I got my troops there and is satisfied IC with my explanation.

ooc: it was just a typo, you wrote IC, meant ooc, I didn't want anyone to be confused.

IC:

The Voice of the Council took Mangala's appeal directly to the people of Mars today, appearing on every major Martian news network or newsfeedsite while her deputy works behind the scenes to end this conflict. Her message was the same throughout the day.

[VoC clip plays, showing her imposing face adressing the viewers]

"The Imperial Council of Mangala grows increasingly frusterated in it's attempts to resolve this conflict. What we want is simple. Pilon must, secretly if necessary, explain to the government and the citizens of Mangala how it moved 300,000 troops into a sea we thought was secure. This is not about saving face, and it is not about name calling."

The Voice paused and her face grew more severe.

"What is at stake here is the safety of an entire region of Mars. The Mangalan tourism trade has suffered drastically when potential visitors became aware that there was the possible threat of armed invasion in what was advertised as a safe area. Setting aside the issue of tourism, how can the Council allow Mangalan citizens to go about their lives questioning the ability of their own government to protect them? How can we know that we are safe at night? Pilon must answer our questions."

"There are some who question our involving the MIDAS-II flag council in this. We came to that body in good faith, because it is the highest planetary authority in existence at this time, and because one of it's member states, Pilon, was the nation we were concerned with. Our good faith effort to peacefully settle this behind closed doors has been met by stonewalling and stalling."

"If Pilon refuses to even discuss the incident with my esteemed deputy, Mangala will take steps to discover the truth ourselves. The nation of Pilon has 24 hours to communicate their response to Mr Terrel. That is all."

"We will explain now how we got so many troops there. But not on official channels, our words are for Mangala's ears only and we will not tolerate this information being spread to other nations, especially our enemies, we would consider such sharing to be a breach of our security and would regretable have to declare war to protect our sovereignty."

OOC: OK Mangala, just assume you know everything IC that we told you OOC now.

An address is made from orbit to all the arguing nations from the CSS Lionsbane, Admiral Saratov commanding. The message comes over in Russian.

"To all nations that are apparently ready to start a war over a disaster that has befallen my people...

Move your forces, civilian and military, out of the Mizar Province of the Crimmond Imperium within eight hours. Failure to do so will result in... dire consequences."

The message cuts out and the dreadnaught does not respond to any hails, simply sitting in orbit above the Mizar province, two heavy cruisers and another dreadnaught of a different class joining the Lionsbane within minutes. Their intention seems clear.

No word from the capital on Earth has been heard.Ahem.

OOC: Wanna start moving before the Admiral gets mad?

The Pilonese troops load into the troops transports and take off into space headed for Pilonese controlled territory.

I would do this as roleplay but it's long and complicated and I want to make sure everyone is clear on it ALL.

1) Tannelorn, Mangala thanks you for your support (and secretlyIC sends a couple diplomats to go discuss our options), but refuses any military aid, as this is not a military operation it is a diplomatic on.

2) Auman, Mangala distances itself from your violent rhetoric but also agrees with your indignation over the troops.

3) ooc only: Pilon, ooc you mentioned a long underground tunnel, now Sunset mentions a base in the Hellas Basin. What gives?

4) The Hellas Basin is not a weapons free zone, no agreement was made regarding that YET. The CANAL is a military free zone.

5) Crimmond: Mangala has no ships in your territory, only on the border. The small flight of fighters (with weapons powered down) that had been trying to keep Auman's forces seperate from Pilon's peeled off and left when asked too. We are trying to stay on good terms with you.

6) Mangala does NOT recognize Auman's claim of additional territory and, while it is unwilling as of yet to stop Auman using force, it strongly disagrees with this move. Mangala also does NOT claim any additional territory of their own. We like there being a strip of international waters between VC and other nations, it helps us keep the area quiet and safe. We put forward that being surrounded by int. waters is better than being surrounded by unfriendly nations.

7) Sunset, thank you both IC and OOC for recognizing the DVoC in the meeting and actually responding to him. Here's a secret: Your actions IC stopped Mangala from giving it's underwater forces the go to locate and cordon off Pilon's base.

8) Finally, and this is important, One thing Mangala has been building up to is that Mars obviously needs an arbitration body that can rule in cases like this and help settle them more amicably. I will post more on this ic later.

EDIT: poop I knew I forgot something... Wazzu yes please come on in, we love diplomats. Consider yourself getting a red carpet reception in the capitol.

Damn it... I was hoping to not mention the base so I could keep it secret but as this is probably no longer possible... Yes we built a long underwater/ground tunnel that connected Pilon to the Hellas Basin. We did this in preparation for what looked to be the inevitable, war with Vascilia County. Since that time we're manned it and kept it running. Now with this announcement though... All because I wasn't able to come on last night... DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN...

A message comes from the the New Capital of the Mizar Province, Storm:

This was the telegram that we have recieved about one and one half hours ago:

From: The Hegemony of Pilon

We would like to negotiate with you about establishing a secret Military Base on the bottom of the Hellas Sea within your territorial waters. We would be willing to help protect your nation and sign a mutual protection treaty with your nation if you agree to such a proposal.

We are fomally rejecting this offer and wish it made clear that the Empire is QUITE capable of defending itself, be it on Earth or Mars. We are appalled that the leadership of Pilon would even think we would provide another nation a military base, a secret one at that, in OUR territory! We will not be dragged into wars that may start because of such a base. Find some other nation to be a cover for your cowardice.

OOC: Sorry man, I don't like secret bases. I don't like underhanded tactics either.

Damn it... I was hoping to not mention the base so I could keep it secret but as this is probably no longer possible...Nope, not possible at all.

In an official statement today Pilon is claiming the territory within 1 Km of the Base established on the bottom of the Hellas Sea. This will be a buffer zone to protect the tunnel that was built from Pilon to the Hellas Basin.

We wish to know exactly where the base and the tunnel are located.

Right in the middle of the Basin.

I would do this as roleplay but it's long and complicated and I want to make sure everyone is clear on it ALL.



2) Auman, Mangala distances itself from your violent rhetoric but also agrees with your indignation over the troops.

AU:I have not mentioned anything that can even be considered violent, please refer to Tannelorns threats, I only want to search the vessels to see if they smuggling Drugs, Weapons and other assorted contraband.


4) The Hellas Basin is not a weapons free zone, no agreement was made regarding that YET. The CANAL is a military free zone.

AU:There are three nations that can legally claim any water in the Basin, Auman has no military there...neither does anyone else. There is no point to it.

5) Crimmond: Mangala has no ships in your territory, only on the border. The small flight of fighters (with weapons powered down) that had been trying to keep Auman's forces seperate from Pilon's peeled off and left when asked too. We are trying to stay on good terms with you.

AU:Auman has no forces threatening Mizar 3, we have no problem with them. We are upset that Pilon put 300,000 troops in the middle of the basin with out informing anyone...its a slap in the face.

6) Mangala does NOT recognize Auman's claim of additional territory and, while it is unwilling as of yet to stop Auman using force, it strongly disagrees with this move. Mangala also does NOT claim any additional territory of their own. We like there being a strip of international waters between VC and other nations, it helps us keep the area quiet and safe. We put forward that being surrounded by int. waters is better than being surrounded by unfriendly nations.

AU:You dont recognize it? what are you going to do about it? Im sorry but I dont know where to start with this...If there is international waters in between the three of our Nations then whats going to stop Pilon from sending more subs in...possibly ones equipped with WMD Warheads? The worst part is, they will be there legally and there wont be anything we can do about it. Im claiming the waters and if you dont claim what I left for you I'll just take that too.

8) Finally, and this is important, One thing Mangala has been building up to is that Mars obviously needs an arbitration body that can rule in cases like this and help settle them more amicably. I will post more on this ic later.

AU: Yes, Mars does need a governing body. But you know what? its onyl going to be dominated by the same nations that want to destroy the Vascilian League and once again...just like with MIDAS, we will also back out. Why should we allow non-Martian nations into a Martian Governing body? Non-Martian corporations governing how much resources they can have, and how little that we are entitled to? This is just not going to work.

So all in all...This crisis was caused by a Colony of an Offworld nation. Once again proving my point that they need to go.

It is obvious to the ruling body of the Vascilian League of Mars that Pilon is attempting to move WMD and other assorted weapons of war within striking distance of our Glorious Nations, we believe this to be an act of war. Remove all weapons from the Basin at once or they will be seized. This is not acceptable by any means.

The Vascilian League of Mars would like to go into negotiations with the rest of Mars on the subject of creating a world governing body similar to the Earths, United Nations. We as a region believe that most conflicts on Mars would be averted if there was a proper forum to communicate with one another. This crisis for sure would have been dealt with properly if such a body was in place.
OOC:

I swear to god, my stance is the same as Crimmonds. Underhanded tactics will not be tolerated. You get the hell out of the Basin and you seal that tunnel or I swear to god all mighty I'll do it for you.

This is just like the Cuban Missile Crisis...minus Cuba. It disgusts me...never once has the Vascilian League ever set up External Military bases with the intent of striking our neighbours, you all know this. The Intent of Vascilian nations is to insure the safety of all Mars, the only destablising factor on Mars is MIDAS and its foriegn policy. Sure we may Rattle the Sabre all the time...but we only do it to keep bullshit like this away from our god damn border. So once again...Back off.

secret ic:

Pilon, back down. The base is a lost cause, now that all three nations that control the Hellas Sea have publicly stated their oposition to it. The deal that Mangala TGed you about is the best way out you're going to get, and we implore you to take it. [ooc: the TG was essentially we want you out, name your price.]

secret ic: Mangala sends more diplomats secretly to Auman and Crimmond in an effort to get all three nations working together to avoid any bloodshed.

4) The Hellas Basin is not a weapons free zone, no agreement was made regarding that YET. The CANAL is a military free zone.

AU:There are three nations that can legally claim any water in the Basin, Auman has no military there...neither does anyone else. There is no point to it.I have military in and around the sea. Do not attempt to say what others have. It is not your place.

Secret IC: The diplomats are allowed to speak and implore the rulers of the province to attempt negotiation. As soon as they are done, they and their words are promptly ignored. The plans of doubling the scant military of Mizar is put into effect and several thousand troops and mechinized units begin to arrive from Earth.

The Wise Counsel is in closed session today discussing the options before them. When they have come to a decision they will put out a statement.

OOC: No money no help from us...

It is obvious to the ruling body of the Vascilian League of Mars that Pilon is attempting to move WMD and other assorted weapons of war within striking distance of our Glorious Nations, we believe this to be an act of war. Remove all weapons from the Basin at once or they will be seized. This is not acceptable by any means.

Another sound-clip of Manar Tawam, speaker for the government of Wazzu, as it appeared in newscasts.

"Wazzu again states that military action against allied nations will not be tolerated. An act of war against Pilon will be considered an act of war against Wazzu. The nation of Vascilia County should now consider itself doubly warned."

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A diplomat soon lands in Mangala to discuss means of acheiving peace. After formalities are passed [[OOC: shall we just skip them for the sake of time?]] and she and her opposite are sitting, Jane McCoy begins to explain Wazzu's views.

"We're actually happy that Mangala is involved in this. Mangala is recognized as neutral by both MIDAS and VC, we have a chace at peace.

"My government dislikes Vascilia's aggressive rhetoric and we do not know how Pilon's forces got into the Hellas Basin. [[OOC: I assume that message from Sunset about Pilon's base was secret...Wazzu still doesn't know]]. We do know that Pilon's forces do not represent MIDAS, the MIDAS forces are not yet operational. But we think we know why your earlier negotiations with MIDAS failed, you were trying to talk to the wrong council.

"The MIDAS flag council is meant to set up and oversee combined military forces. It does so under the authority of the MIDAS diplomatic council. It is this second council that is our highest governing agency.

"Your nation has expressed interest to stay out of MIDAS, to remain neutral, and my nation thinks this can help the peace. So our first offer to you, if you'll accept it, is to attempt an amendment to the MIDAS-II treaty that will allow other nations to have observers in the diplomatic council. If we can get that through, I think there will be little problem allowing Mangala to become the first observer nation.

"We can't guarentee the other nations will accept this amendment, but I personally think they will be open to it. What do you think?"

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EDIT: By now, the 12 CG-ships that left Earth would be at Mars. We'll just say that they are orbiting, docked to Wazzu's Ares Station.

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MNN NEWS FLASH!

The Voice of the Council and her deputy Frank Terrel announced minutes ago in a joint statement that Pilon had offered a resolution to the situation that was satisfactory to the Imperial Council. They also implored Crimmond and VC to avoid any violent acts. All further inquiries were directed to the Pilonese embassy.

[OOC: Pilonia, thanks but we got what we needed without that being necessary. We will reimburse you for your trouble (TG me, i read your post after TGing you in response to your first offer).

ALSO since I know people will want to know. IC we won't reveal the deal that Pilon made unless they do, but ooc it is as follows:

Pilon has 48 hours to evacuate
Mangala pays Pilon a sizable bribe/reimbursement (the exact amount will remain secret) for the cost of the base
Pilon issues a public apology
Pilon blows the base, making unusable by anyone

"The MIDAS flag council is meant to set up and oversee combined military forces. It does so under the authority of the MIDAS diplomatic council. It is this second council that is our highest governing agency.

"Your nation has expressed interest to stay out of MIDAS, to remain neutral, and my nation thinks this can help the peace. So our first offer to you, if you'll accept it, is to attempt an amendment to the MIDAS-II treaty that will allow other nations to have observers in the diplomatic council. If we can get that through, I think there will be little problem allowing Mangala to become the first observer nation.

"We can't guarentee the other nations will accept this amendment, but I personally think they will be open to it. What do you think?"



Thank you Wazzu for clearing that up. Re: the proposed amendment. Mangala has some possible documents of our own, but the idea of observer positions within the diplomatic council is very attractive. It would allow us to be more aware of what is going on in Mars without compromising our neutrality. We're all for it, and would send an observer should such an opportunity arise.

OOC: I'm gonna take advantage of fluid time here.
IC: Over the next 48 hours movement through the tunnel to Pilon is extreme as all usable materials and equipment excluding the infrastructure of the base itself is moved out. Soon after a few well placed explosives destroy the base.
In an official statement from the Wise Counsel Pilon apologized to Mangala for their breach of etiquette and for causing the whole situation. They explained that it was not their intention to cause any hostile relations between Pilon and Mangala.
Soon after they apologized to Crimmond explaining that it was their intention to quickly and efficiantly help what was a major crisis and they did not mean to cause problems with Crimmond's neighbors in the process, their intention was to save lives, which they did indeed do.
They then apologized to Vascilia County stating that they were sorry they did not pound the Vascilians into dust in the last war and they were also sorry that more Asteroids did not make it through their defence grid to rid Mars of their annoying propaganda. They also apologized saying that its a shame they did not attack Pilon because then we would be forced to carry out our threats and destroy the Vascilians once and for all.
They stated that though Vascilia may desire taking advantage of this situation by attempting to go through the tunnel it would be most unwise to do. There would be unfortunate consequences for anyone who goes through the tunnel as Pilon has set up some nasty surprises for anyone who does attempt to travel it and Pilon will not be responsible for any losses taken by those foolish enough to try.

It is obvious to the ruling body of the Vascilian League of Mars that Pilon is attempting to move WMD and other assorted weapons of war within striking distance of our Glorious Nations, we believe this to be an act of war. Remove all weapons from the Basin at once or they will be seized. This is not acceptable by any means.

Another sound-clip of Manar Tawam, speaker for the government of Wazzu, as it appeared in newscasts.

"Wazzu again states that military action against allied nations will not be tolerated. An act of war against Pilon will be considered an act of war against Wazzu. The nation of Vascilia County should now consider itself doubly warned."

Same to you Wazzu.

ooc: such a threat from your mighty nation and well your region as well Auman.

OOC:
haha...thats rich, Pilon pounding anyone into dust, its laughable. Good work Mangala, this really saved us the trouble of well, getting into a world spanning war or following through with the Vengeance plan we have written up. Believe me...it was to be a grand ploy.

IC:

We believe Pilons apology to be unacceptable, we demand them to restate it politely.

ooc: such a threat from your mighty nation and well your region as well Auman.

Well Im sorry, but I dont understand your sarcasm, your country is bankrupt and defence is by no means prioritized. Last time I checked, and actually wrote it down in Note pad, your nation was something like 30,000 in the world for defence. Auman was 5000th and the AF was 1400th. Now comrade...Im glad you didn't start anything. Because then your allies in MIDAS would have to jump in and save your morally deficient Empire from the trouncing it deserves.

Never once has Vascilia County ever made aggressive moves towards any nation...never once have we invaded another nation. Your propaganda seems to be as self serving and inaccurate as any other. Our propaganda is only that expressing the truth. We are beset on all sides by aggressive colonial powers. You proved this with the discovery of your base in the Middle of the Hellas Basin, you proved this when you sent Face Dancers to the AF to spread the plague, you proved this when you dropped asteroids on the AF and you also proved this when you barred us from re-entering MIDAS.


If anyone here deserves to be annihilated it would be you Pilon, we in Vascilia have been perfectly isolationist. Only jumping into conflict when it directly involves us...MIDAS and the rest of your dumpwad allies seem to enjoy what you're doing. Believe me...you will get your comeuppance.

OOC: You know what I love most about reading your posts Auman... That they become more and more unbelievable as time passes, all I have to do now to rile you up is make a few comments and off you go, its rather enertaining, Pilon enjoys making fun of your nation, we watch your reactions on Trivid and laugh.

ooc Pilon....you are out there arent you. Hmm nothing we have said is anything more then for our own protection...yes we are isolationist....and yes you put troops VERY VERY close to Vascilia....hmm jeez you know the americans got mad at russia for nukes in cuba.....so your saying they should have kept nukes there pilon, so your saying we should bow to you because you think in some fantasy land that you and MIDAS are actually in the right....wrong o bucko....i mean how many times do i have to tell you i actually know something about diplomacy, history and politics....you guys are aggressive, expansionist and just down right evil....we dont claim your territory, and New Roan was given to us by the rightful leader....fact is....what you did is pretty suspect, and we have every right to be pissed about it, i mean what would you do if the entire Tannelorn Naval marines force and a massive battlegroup appeared two hundred KM away from Pilon....would you believe that it was entirely peaceful????

now you understand dont you. We ARE NOT expansionist, now we need to be, why???? because of your aggressive actions, dont you dare try to argue with me on this one. So if i were you...and i DID read the post you sent AF, dont argue with me on this one, i would back down....you are totally in the wrong......you dont need troops to help crimmond, you dont need nukes under the Hellas Basin to help crimmond.


IC

Your guilt is apparent Pilon, but by Vascilian laws we are not allowed to respond to your heinous actions, without a full admission. But be warned...you trifle with the wrong people, Earthers, you should learn to walk less proudly on the face of mars.....

I agree with you Tannelorn, Pilon inentionally riles us up, why? to get a response like this. Which means, he is testing us, testing to see how far we will actually go.

Why? Warmongering. He isn't open about it. Using guile and subterfuge, he keeps it from us. Creating secret bases miles from our territory. Now why is he a warmonger? you might ask? Because, he is a colonial power. Territory is everything to him. He wants our territory and our people to himself...because his nation is evil incarnate.