NationStates Jolt Archive


Declaration of War (Invite Only)

03-11-2003, 05:56
There are people in this world that are being oppressed all over the world. I have decided to liberate some 20 million of them from "The Oppressed Peoples of Win Over All." It is a base point from which to expand a base of operations over someone who runs his region like a blind lunatic. I dedicate 1 million soldiers to the taking over of that nation for the better of the people in this world.
Tappee
03-11-2003, 05:59
I don't mean to be rude, but how can you dedicate 1 mil soliders when your pop in only 30 mil

avg military size in 1% sol that would mean you would have about
300,000 troops
03-11-2003, 06:01
ooc: Ask yourself the following questions

1- Do you have one million soldiers?

2- If you answered Yes to question #1, do you still have enough to sufficiently defend your own territory from foreign attack?

3- If you answered Yes to #2, are you godmodding and/or using barely trained forced conscripts with a lack of fighting ability?

And no matter how you answer #3 you're going to wind up on the shite end of an angry nation that will go after you.
Tappee
03-11-2003, 06:02
we could assume that you have complusory service. that might get you a mil. but then your country would be complete undefended
Lapse
03-11-2003, 06:03
you could assume he has alliance with me
Tappee
03-11-2003, 06:04
OOC:
from the wording it was clear that he was taking about his forces
03-11-2003, 06:05
you could assume he has alliance with me

So, you're going to commit all your troops and be totally undefended instead of him? Sounds like he got the good end of that deal.
Lapse
03-11-2003, 06:06
true, i will not be putting to much into attack but if needed my troops will help defend his nation from attacks
Lapse
03-11-2003, 06:08
you could assume he has alliance with me

So, you're going to commit all your troops and be totally undefended instead of him? Sounds like he got the good end of that deal.

sure im only medium sized nation but in reality i have more than enough military to defend imperialstates
Tappee
03-11-2003, 06:10
you could assume he has alliance with me

So, you're going to commit all your troops and be totally undefended instead of him? Sounds like he got the good end of that deal.

sure im only medium sized nation but in reality i have more than enough military to defend imperialstates

True using the 1% rule that would mean that you could realistically have a military size of 6 mil. more the enough to provide support
03-11-2003, 06:11
3-5% is normal rpin
Lapse
03-11-2003, 06:12
and i think imperial states could muster a large army if he really had to. it does say in the fyi godmoding thing that anywhere up to 5% for a short amount of time
03-11-2003, 06:13
3-5% is normal rpin

Not really. It's what some people use, but at that amount your workforce (which is lower than your population) suffers tremendously.
Tappee
03-11-2003, 06:14
5% would give him 1.5 mil in troop size
The Sword and Sheild
03-11-2003, 06:14
3-5% is normal rpin

For a normal war-time it is ayway, a peace-time army is much smaller around 1-2%, and going from that to full mobilization (3-5%) takes a lot of time, what with buying equipment, deploying, and training, so your army should be a lot smaller until sufficient time goes by to train the wartime troop numbers
03-11-2003, 06:15
the attack begins now!
Tappee
03-11-2003, 06:16
3-5% is normal rpin

For a normal war-time it is ayway, a peace-time army is much smaller around 1-2%, and going from that to full mobilization (3-5%) takes a lot of time, what with buying equipment, deploying, and training, so your army should be a lot smaller until sufficient time goes by to train the wartime troop numbers

I will agree with that statement and add that any country would be hard pressed to keep itfor an extended time , both in pop and fincially
The Sword and Sheild
03-11-2003, 06:18
3-5% is normal rpin

For a normal war-time it is ayway, a peace-time army is much smaller around 1-2%, and going from that to full mobilization (3-5%) takes a lot of time, what with buying equipment, deploying, and training, so your army should be a lot smaller until sufficient time goes by to train the wartime troop numbers

I will agree with that statement and add that any country would be hard pressed to keep itfor an extended time , both in pop and fincially

Yes, keeping those number up increases demestic dissent, costs huge amounts of money, and hurts your workforce. Which is why it is only really feasible for a war time army
Lapse
03-11-2003, 06:19
look at it this way. it would take an army of 1 million very little time to liberate 20 million people. if they are oppressed, they would be just about revolting themselves
The Sword and Sheild
03-11-2003, 06:20
look at it this way. it would take an army of 1 million very little time to liberate 20 million people. if they are oppressed, they would be just about revolting themselves

OOC: Isn't that kind of what the American Government was saying IRL during the invasion of Iraq?
03-11-2003, 06:20
3-5% is normal rpin

For a normal war-time it is ayway, a peace-time army is much smaller around 1-2%, and going from that to full mobilization (3-5%) takes a lot of time, what with buying equipment, deploying, and training, so your army should be a lot smaller until sufficient time goes by to train the wartime troop numbers

I will agree with that statement and add that any country would be hard pressed to keep itfor an extended time , both in pop and fincially

Yes, keeping those number up increases demestic dissent, costs huge amounts of money, and hurts your workforce. Which is why it is only really feasible for a war time army

That dissent is debateable; being attacked would greatly lower the dissent, as would a war with a time-tested rival. Many other things, also, would effect this, such as the amount of people employed by the nation's police force, and the standing on the totalitarian / libertarian scale, as well.
Tappee
03-11-2003, 06:21
IC:
{Send: Open Transmission}
To: Imperialstates
From: President Allenson (Tappee)
Subject: Recent Military Action
Message: I would like to know the reason behind your countries recent military actions so that I could more easily decide the role the my government will play in the coming Days.

President Allenson
{End: Open Transmission}
The Sword and Sheild
03-11-2003, 06:23
3-5% is normal rpin

For a normal war-time it is ayway, a peace-time army is much smaller around 1-2%, and going from that to full mobilization (3-5%) takes a lot of time, what with buying equipment, deploying, and training, so your army should be a lot smaller until sufficient time goes by to train the wartime troop numbers

I will agree with that statement and add that any country would be hard pressed to keep itfor an extended time , both in pop and fincially

Yes, keeping those number up increases demestic dissent, costs huge amounts of money, and hurts your workforce. Which is why it is only really feasible for a war time army

That dissent is debateable; being attacked would greatly lower the dissent, as would a war with a time-tested rival. Many other things, also, would effect this, such as the amount of people employed by the nation's police force, and the standing on the totalitarian / libertarian scale, as well.

Well yes many things would influence this, but as a basic rule a 3-5% army in peacetime is a seriously damaging decision, unless of course you were being threatened or something like that, and even then it cannot be maintained forever. For example, look at Great Britain during WWI, under wartime conscriptions, it was seriously in debt and it is doubtful it could've continued on into 1918 at the rate it was going

EDIT: This is assuming the US didn't join, and just realized the serious hijacking going on here, sorry, I'll stop posting
03-11-2003, 06:24
lol
03-11-2003, 06:26
ooc:

What is the tech level this will be RPed at?
03-11-2003, 06:26
IC:
{Send: Open Transmission}
To: President Allenson (Tappee)
From: Imperialstates
Subject: Re-Recent Military Action
Message: You do not need to know the reasons for your government will not have any influence on the situation. Please remember this is an invite only.

Emperor Piett
{End: Open Transmission}
Lapse
03-11-2003, 06:27
ok lets just settle this. A 5% max army can be maintained for a little while but is totaly godmoding during peacetime
03-11-2003, 06:28
lapse check your telegrams
Lapse
03-11-2003, 06:28
ahh i should probably ask this before i get carried away am i invited?
Tappee
03-11-2003, 06:29
ooc: it was my way of seeing if i would be invited
03-11-2003, 06:30
The Eizen Empire withdraws any objections to this conflict and we hope that Imperialstates scores a victory over its UN Adversary.
Lapse
03-11-2003, 06:33
now we just need the enemy to post :P
03-11-2003, 06:34
thank you