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RL Nation Claims - Page 3

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Dr_Twist
08-03-2004, 06:27
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129569

Annaxed Austria and Solvakia would like them added to my empire :D thanks :lol:
Euroslavia
08-03-2004, 06:31
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129569

Annaxed Austria and Solvakia would like them added to my empire :D thanks :lol:

Crimmond owns Slovakia. I don't know about Austria though..
Dr_Twist
08-03-2004, 06:33
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129569

Annaxed Austria and Solvakia would like them added to my empire :D thanks :lol:

Crimmond owns Slovakia. I don't know about Austria though..

Wrong, read the 1st page no 1 has claimed ethir nation so i annexed them.
Euroslavia
08-03-2004, 06:35
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129569

Annaxed Austria and Solvakia would like them added to my empire :D thanks :lol:

Crimmond owns Slovakia. I don't know about Austria though..

Wrong, read the 1st page no 1 has claimed ethir nation so i annexed them.

if you didnt know this, Czechoslovakia is the combined nations of the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Crimmond owns both.
Dr_Twist
08-03-2004, 06:40
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129569

Annaxed Austria and Solvakia would like them added to my empire :D thanks :lol:

Crimmond owns Slovakia. I don't know about Austria though..

Wrong, read the 1st page no 1 has claimed ethir nation so i annexed them.

if you didnt know this, Czechoslovakia is the combined nations of the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Crimmond owns both.

According to the world map they are both different nations.... So clearly they aren’t the same nation, they even have separate governments, there only real connection is they were once apart of the Austrian Empire.
Euroslavia
08-03-2004, 06:45
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=129569

Annaxed Austria and Solvakia would like them added to my empire :D thanks :lol:

Crimmond owns Slovakia. I don't know about Austria though..

Wrong, read the 1st page no 1 has claimed ethir nation so i annexed them.

if you didnt know this, Czechoslovakia is the combined nations of the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Crimmond owns both.

According to the world map they are both different nations.... So clearly they aren’t the same nation, they even have separate governments, there only real connection is they were once apart of the Austrian Empire.

They aren't united anymore, but still...I don't think Chellis will even accept it. You own a crapload of nations anyways. Give some others a chance to claim it. You took practically every nation in the area, that I had claims on before.
Chellis
08-03-2004, 08:02
If someone can show me an older claim to slovakia, or Czeckoslovakia, then twist wont get it. Otherwise...
United Elias
08-03-2004, 12:23
If someone can show me an older claim to slovakia, or Czeckoslovakia, then twist wont get it. Otherwise...

You dong an update soon? If so remember me!

Thanks. :D
GLA Terrorists
08-03-2004, 12:51
still can't see the point in claiming RL nations. This isn't RL! :roll:
Nianacio
09-03-2004, 01:14
still can't see the point in claiming RL nations. This isn't RL! :roll::? If this was real life, we wouldn't be able to claim these nations..
Greater Singapura would like to claim Singapore Island, which no one has claimed yet.I'm sure I've claimed it...But I've handed that claim over to Greater Singapura (ICly, I did that during the Drought Wars (I need a better name for that...) of the 1800s).
12-03-2004, 01:36
Claimed and took over a lot of small islands recently.

Specific Islands Annexed: Mauritius, Reunion, Tromlin, Andaman islands, Cocos Islands. Islands directly east of West Malaysia (directly west of Borneo. In RL these are Indonesian.)

Also renewing my claim to Singapore and it's territories.
12-03-2004, 04:02
Due to strategic security concerns, we recently RP'd an "intervention" in which the Caroline Islands have been declared mandates of the Federation of Earth Sphere Nations, as well as reserving our right to fortify them and construct naval and airforce facilities, specifically on Truk and Peileliu. As we've stood unopposed in our actions, look for more activity in this neighborhood in the near future.
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/oceania/lgcolor/fmcolor.gif
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/oceania/fmnewz.gif
Shinoxia
12-03-2004, 05:18
I have a question about Pablicosta's claims to Antarctica. He has "claimed" alot of big areas without providing proof yet he is recognized as the holder of these territories.

My region, The Snowy Lands of Antarctica, is very active and is recognized by many members of NS to be the official holders of Antarctica. I would like to see how he acquired the "vast majority of Antarctica" when we are recognized as the holders.

Also, I have claimed: Botswana, Angola, Naimbia, and Zambia and am having trouble getting these areas recognized in this thread. No one else has claimed them and Independent Hitmen has recognized me as his neighbor the the north.

I have a thread from a while back claiming these areas, let me dig it up again.
Pablicosta
13-03-2004, 12:59
I have a question about Pablicosta's claims to Antarctica. He has "claimed" alot of big areas without providing proof yet he is recognized as the holder of these territories.

My region, The Snowy Lands of Antarctica, is very active and is recognized by many members of NS to be the official holders of Antarctica. I would like to see how he acquired the "vast majority of Antarctica" when we are recognized as the holders.

Maybe because I have been arround as Pablicosta for nine months more than you, and thusly had actually made claim to Antarctica before you existed, therefore demolishing your claim to the Antarctica mainland. I can try and dig out the thread where I formally claimed the land, but due to the forums auto-delete system, and my visit to congo I beleiev it my have been deleted.
Oh, and I must have Antarctica due to the fact that two nations have allready purchased parts of it from me.
Thank you.

~Pabli
Pablicosta
13-03-2004, 13:10
I claim Mongolia
Pablicosta
13-03-2004, 13:12
Also Angola
13-03-2004, 13:29
Luna Amore- Gibraltar 8)
Pablicosta
13-03-2004, 13:53
Algeria
Angola
Benim
Botswana
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cameroon
Cape Verde
Central African Republic
Chad
Congo
Congo Republic
Côte d'Ivoire
Egypt
Equitorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Gambia
Ghana
Guinea
Guinea Bissau
Kenya
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Madagascar
Malawi
Mali
Mauritania
Mauritius
Morocco
Namibia
Niger
Nigeria
Reunion
Rwanda
Soa Toma
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Sudan
Swaziland
Tanzania
Uganda
Western Sahara-The bits not owned by Iraqstan
Zambia
Zimbabwe




Recent Conquests, to be added. I checked them all by the way.

Africa will soon be mine, muhahahaha.
Chellis
13-03-2004, 21:25
Wow, most of you dont follow teh rules... I'll have to post them on the front page too i guess...

Pabla, ya right. Just off the top of my head, Sirithil controls congo, and nianacio controls madagascar, so you obviously arent taking those all, and most likely none of them.
Mattvia
13-03-2004, 21:50
We have south-east Germany,some of north-east Austria and areas of Denmark ( about two ports close together ) :lol: :mrgreen:


Kasier Mattenburg von Davan.
Leader of Mattvia. :P
Euroslavia
13-03-2004, 23:30
Pabli- That's just ridiculous. Your claims aren't going to be recognized. With 100,000 nations on NS, one nation owning an entire continent is extremely selfish, and I don't even care if you did RP the taking of all that land. It just isn't right...
Shinoxia
14-03-2004, 03:01
Chellis, as you can see Pabli has no true claims.

He just tries to find nations and says he has them, I mean come on look at what he has claimed.

France, England, Germany, all of these nations have been claimed by another player, I don't see how he is recognized.

The former nation Antarctica123 recognized my region as the official holders of Antarctica and the person who laid claims to his territory after he left, Moontian is now a member of my region.

We have a website and many active, good role players in my region and I think we should be recognized as the holders of Antarctica.
Fluffywuffy
14-03-2004, 03:10
Not having read this topic in its entireity, I make one claim: Sealand is so mine (and it is a real life nation)
14-03-2004, 05:23
Building on our success in the Caroline Islands, the Federation of Earth Sphere Nations has landed forces on and proceeded to occupy New Guinea, New Britain, New Ireland and the Western Solomon Islands
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/australia/papua_newguinea_pol89.jpg
We have also established the umbrella governing entity known as the South Seas Governmental District to facilitate the governence of our new Pacific possesions. In an attempt to promulgate increased cooperation and compliance with the Federation's foreign policy in the region, we've also founded the Greater South-Pacific Co-Prosperity Sphere, which will facilitate the smooth transfer of raw-matierials, military supplies and economic holdings in the area.
Chellis
14-03-2004, 09:00
No one seems to think the rules are important, ohh well
Aztec National League
14-03-2004, 09:41
No one seems to think the rules are important, ohh well


:roll:

Wait...
But what about me...

:tantrum:

I'm trting to follow the rules by RPing it, even though it might be pretty boring. Oh sigh, j/k.
Pablicosta
14-03-2004, 12:54
Wow, most of you dont follow teh rules... I'll have to post them on the front page too i guess...

Pabla, ya right. Just off the top of my head, Sirithil controls congo, and nianacio controls madagascar, so you obviously arent taking those all, and most likely none of them.

Yeah, I did check them all wth ctrl-f but hey, that doesnt show spelling errors 'n' stuff. Anyhow, Egypt is taken aswell, but the others I have had no complaints about in my thread. Please add them minus Congo Madagascar and Egypt.
United Elias
14-03-2004, 13:32
I think the rules are importnat and Ive complied with them and you still have not given me my land, please can you rectify this and I wil stop moaning.

Seychelles, Gabon, Diego Garcia

Links are a few pages back. Thanks.
Roycelandia
14-03-2004, 14:19
Not to be a total pain in the ass, but Gabon is currently embroiled in a rather large war- last count, there are UE, Rhodesian, Roycelandian, Lusakan, Gabonaise, Free Gabonaise, Armee d'Liberation Gabonaise, and other assorted forces fighting over control of the country.

Technically it's UE territory, but it might be wise to wait and see before totally claiming it. (I've given up trying to get Roycelandian East Africa recognised in this thread- the important thing is that everyone in the Southern Africa region recognises it.)
Chellis
14-03-2004, 18:58
United Elias, I just havnt gotten around to updating with those yet.

Pablio, show me where you RP'ed taking those, by the rules.
15-03-2004, 19:36
i claim spain to be islams united nations teritorie.
Including Ceuta5norht morocco) and Melilla(North morocco)
16-03-2004, 19:18
I see nobody is ruling in spain, so I think that I can be the new owner of Spain, or am I wrong?
Nianacio
16-03-2004, 20:22
I see nobody is ruling in spain, so I think that I can be the new owner of Spain, or am I wrong?OOC: It depends on who you ask. If you ask me, the answer is no.
Neo-Soviet Russia
18-03-2004, 06:42
With AIan's being defunct I am letting it be known that on this list, I claim the nation of Cuba now.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126745
18-03-2004, 19:29
Look if nobody is ruling in Spain, I'm going to be the new President.
Today Spain has been officialy added to Islam's united nations. 8)
Saipac
19-03-2004, 19:18
ALL RL land has already been claimed and read Chellis' rules again. They say you have to RP that you take over some land. So you are wrong, you don't rule Spain and you won't rule Spain. I bet there is a 2 billion nation who has already claimed Spain.
Wazzu
22-03-2004, 05:03
For all those interested in real-world land, consider this fair warning.

Wazzu is annexing the nation once known as Bobaria...Denmark.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2929397#2929397 (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2929397)

Bobaria was deleted due to inactivity some time ago, so I guess that makes the land free to RP the taking as per the rules of this thread. Of coruse, as per those rules, it could be some time before this claim is recognized.

But consider it fair warning.
The Territory
22-03-2004, 15:15
Just got wind of this thread, so here goes.











The Territory proper basically comprises Zambia, less Nortwestern Provins, plus bits of northern Zimbabwe. Any undefined governments bordering it will be heavily influenced by it, possibly outright protectorates. The Mozambique/Territory border is likely interesting.



Warlordia is part of the Territory backplot and run by a friend who has quite a bit of say in how the Territory is run. It comprises Katanga and the Kasaï provinces of Congo, and the Northwestern province of Zambia. To Warlodia's north is the Menelmacari Congo area, north of that an anarchic area previously claimed by C&A



Warlordia and the Territory have pursued an expansionist policy to the West, and may have expanded all the way to the coast to incorporate Angola. If there are no other claims on Angola I do as a matter of fact claim it.



After a bit of nastiness (thermonuclear war) in the Africa regional board, Nigeria was the subject of... aggressive aid from the Territory. The not at all as puppetlike as one may suspect regime of Alexander Obasanjo (Yes, I know this is an RL family. The nation's previous player used the name Obasanjo and while I have doubts about that sort of thing I haven't seen a good way to write them out. Apologies to any RL Nigerians) proven stable.



There's no Nigeria-spam in the NSverse.



After another bit of nastiness (tsunami in this case), Comoros fell under the fluffy jackboot of the Territory's disaster aid. In this case, the regime never came under Territory control, but there is hefty influence and a massive military base.



And finally the regime of Kenya enjoys the attention of the Territory. Libya nuked Nigeria, Kenya nuked Libya... the African Union grumbled and for a while Kenya was an AU military protectorate with the Territory providing the military muscle.



So in brief those areas are either Territory claims or offlimits. I can spam this thread later if you want, Chellis.
California and Alaska
23-03-2004, 18:48
Chellis... California also controls Bermuda, the Bahamas, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, the British and US Virgin Islands.

the British and US Virgin Islands were merged to make the 27th state the Californian Virgin Islands.
Ubumedu
24-03-2004, 13:43
Spratly Islands: 8 38 N, 111 55 E
Europa Island: 22 20 S, 40 22 E
Glorioso Islands: 11 30 S, 47 20 E
Juan de Nova Island: 17 03 S, 42 45 E
Paracel Islands: 16 30 N 112 00 E
Kingman Reef: 6 24 N, 162 24 W
Palmyra Atoll: 5 52 N, 162 06 W

Link (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2902832#2902832)
Nianacio
28-03-2004, 00:09
207KB image warning
I own much of Antarctica? (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/islands_oceans_poles/antarctic_region_pol02.jpg)
The Territory
30-03-2004, 14:29
207KB image warning

I own much of Antarctica? (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/islands_oceans_poles/antarctic_region_pol02.jpg)

Don't get greedy.
Nianacio
30-03-2004, 21:54
Don't get greedy.Don't worry, I won't. :)
01-04-2004, 02:51
I own the Tuamatu Archipelago (Pacific ocean) and the Azore islands (Atlantic ocean)
Chellis
01-04-2004, 05:19
bump, edited(only things that FOLLOWED THE RULES AS PER THE FRONT PAGE)
Whittier
01-04-2004, 05:22
Since I rpd taking Beirut Lebanon, does that mean I get it?
Chellis
01-04-2004, 05:27
Resubmit your claim, per the rules. I dunno why you werent added, so I need you to resubmit so I can reevaluate.

Western Asia has Lebanon however.
Whittier
01-04-2004, 05:30
Resubmit your claim, per the rules. I dunno why you werent added, so I need you to resubmit so I can reevaluate.

Western Asia has Lebanon however.
we just rpd it. with Al Anbar though. If WA has Lebanon, then how did AA get it?
Chellis
01-04-2004, 05:31
I never put AA as owning Lebanon, dont ask me.
Neo-Soviet Russia
09-04-2004, 23:23
Figured I'd let you know but you've AIan as still having control over Parts of Mexico, the Florida Keyes, and Cuba. You've confirmed my owning the last two, and Aztic Nations League should have the parts of mexico by now.
Chellis
10-04-2004, 08:24
If I didnt put it, i probably chose not to. Why shouldnt AIan have it?
Neo-Soviet Russia
10-04-2004, 08:31
AIan went out of existance a while back after being inactive for about 60 days. The AZN RPed the taking, to which you told him wait a little bit. He did so and continued the RPing for a while. If you still choose to not put the AZN down as having it, then so be it, I just figured I'd point it out, try and maybe help.
Qen Land
14-04-2004, 01:26
Qen Land own Kazakhstan,Uzbekistan,Turkmenistan,Tajikstan,Kyrgyzstan and Azerbaijan
The Kahaile Family
14-04-2004, 02:00
I have always RPed as Mexico, and have fought for that.
The oldest prove? Well, The invassion to Mexico by Garrison II: the topic has been already deleted I think, but these were the ones involved:


The Kahaile Family
The Bisons (now Dark Terror)
Grunge-France
Garrison II

Garrison invaded, some of my defenses were damaged, The Bisons supported Garrison, Grunge-France supported me, Garrison withdrew, payed indemnities and left.
You can confrim this with any of these.

I claim the whole Mexican territory, its 31 states, from the state of Baja California to the state of Quintana Roo, and the Federal District, Mexico City.
Chellis
14-04-2004, 07:18
Neo-soviet, resubmit or have whoever resubmit. If they followed the rules, i will put them up. Its simply a matter of me getting all this straight.

Kahaile, have someone reputable affirm that or provide some sort of evidence, and i will add you.

Qen land, please follow the rules or dont post at all.
Central Canada
14-04-2004, 07:36
Central Canada claims the provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, with portions extending into Northwestern Ontario region.
Chellis
14-04-2004, 07:37
Canada, you have two posts, you cant possibly have rped taking those. no.
14-04-2004, 08:07
Uhh, I think he means that's where his nation actually exists. In other words, Central Canada is in fact comprised of RL central Canada.
The Kahaile Family
14-04-2004, 18:03
I found the old topic! here it is:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75763&start=0
The Kahaile Family
14-04-2004, 18:03
I found the old topic! here it is:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75763&start=0
Chellis
15-04-2004, 09:37
Kahaile, that shows that a couple of people(whom i all ignore in rp, btw) affirm that you own mexico... can you show me where you roleplayed taking it over?
The Kahaile Family
16-04-2004, 22:27
There ain´t no remaining proof in the forums of me RP as Mexico anymore, far less when I first claim it.
Actually, I made a direc tline, identifying myself with the nahuatl leyend: People from Aztlan that, following the orders of Tenoch, decided to emigrate to search for a sign (the eagle) as soon as I joined the game, but it does not exist anymore.
I wanted to show you that thread to let you know it is not just a random claim, but a history line I have been following since a long time ago, I gave you the oldest proof I found.

BTW, the fact you ignore Grunge-France, Dark Terror aka Iron Blood and Garrison II is not relevant, objectively speaking (not that you tried to make it relevant) .
Chellis
17-04-2004, 00:40
Well,i cant really give it to you until I have some proof of you actually taking it, because a few people acknowledging it isnt the same thing(they might have recognized it just so they could invade you, not because they knew you had it).

And yes, if I ignored the three, it would be relevant. My thread.
imported_Grunge-France
17-04-2004, 00:42
You ignore me?
Had no idea :?:
(Bad place to post this.. now I´m leaving, sorry)
Chellis
17-04-2004, 00:43
OOC: Not for anything you did, you're a cool guy, but ur spacedy, an ic ignore.
Aztec National League
17-04-2004, 00:47
OOC: Most likely ignored my claim to0, had RP about it, but never finished it.
Chellis
17-04-2004, 00:51
Ehh, if you think its valid, resubmit... I personally dont have the time to look over old claims to see if they become valid.
17-04-2004, 00:55
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Neo-Soviet Russia
17-04-2004, 01:16
Incase ANL wants to resubmit, here's the link...

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126576

...yes, being nice to ANL.
17-04-2004, 01:50
---Post deleted by NationStates Moderators---
Chellis
17-04-2004, 03:17
SC, tibet would not be but you should still check with the owner of china... and I would bump the tanzania thread a couple times, make sure no one contests it...
Aztec National League
17-04-2004, 10:02
Incase ANL wants to resubmit, here's the link...

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126576

...yes, being nice to ANL.

NSR, being useful to me a lot lately. :)

Now I have to finish the state constitutions that I never started.
Roycelandia
20-04-2004, 06:12
Once Again, Roycelandia submits for recognition our ownership of:

Kenya
Uganda
The Sudan
Socotra

Proof can be found here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=111666&highlight=

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101342&highlight=

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126930&highlight=

And you can also ask United Elias, Lusaka, The African Commonwealth, Rhodesia & Nyasaland, Beth Gellert.... you get the idea. :D
Chellis
21-04-2004, 02:39
Sorry roycelandia. The first thread doesnt count(the point of rping taking something over is to give others with legitimate claims to refute it, as well as having a nice rp. Having an invite-only rp completely destroys that). The second thread is way too long for me to read it all, but the first page showed me nothing about taking over african lands. The third thread i read through, and saw nothing important. Maybe you can clarify things from me, showing where you first took the nations, etc.
Roycelandia
21-04-2004, 08:07
The third thread, at the bottom of the page, mentions Roycelandia seizing Suqutra (Socotra- Suqutra is the Arab rendering of the name.) It's an island off the coast of Somalia, between Somalia and Yemen.

I really don't see the problem with the Invite-Thread. No-one claims these lands in your thread, so where's the problem???
Chellis
21-04-2004, 09:01
You have to legitimatly take lands. You simply cant claim them, and you have to give people a chance to prove their ownership. Just because no one has claimed the land, doesnt mean they dont have it. Not everyone knows of this thread. Give me the links of where you fairly took the lands, and I will add you.
Newbia
21-04-2004, 09:51
"Thank heavens that we still retain our independence."
The king of Newbia said, just after he kicked the minstrel out of the 4th story window for missing a beat. (Don't worry, that part of the moat don't have TOO many sharpened poles in it.)

WOOC: Oh allright, there was this annexual stint with the Russian Forces once in the early days but we managed to liberate ourselves through subversive (bribes) tactics. (And by asking really nicely. It's amazing what one can do with words.)

-"We are stupendous."- King Newbinar I
Crossman
24-04-2004, 22:19
Ohio

OOC: I'll try to find the link to the thread backing my claim if you want.
MetroDetroit
30-04-2004, 05:26
Metro Detroit area.
It is a small area, part of southern Macomb county and a large portion of Wayne county MI.
I can include a map of the Metro Detroit area if you want.


Declaration of Independence (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=136806&highlight=)

Embassy (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=136879&highlight=)

One person contested, however my RP was a week older then his.
You can also check the Embassy thread to see that several nations acknowledge my ownership.
Ergo, plenty saw the threads.
As well both threads have several links to each other so that one could not go to one thread with out knowing about the other thread.

Mattopolia's Claim(12th post) (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3023385&highlight=#3023385) is exactly 6 days younger then my RP. His is a claim, that went unacknowledged, mine is an RP in not one but two threads.
I hope that suffices.
Euroslavia
30-04-2004, 05:39
Ohio

OOC: I'll try to find the link to the thread backing my claim if you want.

(just to help out a bit)

You'll need a thread to prove that your claim is legitimate.
Matich
30-04-2004, 05:45
Have u decided to recognize my claim to Gibralter yet? I mean everyone on ns does.
Chellis
30-04-2004, 07:34
Matich, If i havnt put it in, resubmit with the valid threads, etc. If its valid, it will go in.

Btw, anyone who claims any part of america(thats not cleared through menelcamar/NY&J/C&A) will have their claims ignored. They are already taken.
Bedou
30-04-2004, 08:32
Part of Sweden

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108623&highlight=

http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu.html
MetroDetroit
30-04-2004, 08:39
Matich, If i havnt put it in, resubmit with the valid threads, etc. If its valid, it will go in.

Btw, anyone who claims any part of america(thats not cleared through menelcamar/NY&J/C&A) will have their claims ignored. They are already taken.
NY&J stated he makes no claims on MI.
Before I ever started my RP I TG'd Cali&Alsk and asked if he held the state he says no.
I tried to TG menelcamar and this is what I got:
Uh-oh
Nation Not Found: "Menelcamar"
If possible, use your browser's BACK button to return and fix this.

So Chellis if know another way to spell the nation name then please tell so i can get his decision on whether or not he wants to crush my revolution, My RP stands how the current owner(if there is one) deals with it is the question.
And according to NS Menelcamar doesnt exist.
And the other two lay no claim.
What say you Chellis?
Al-Sabir
30-04-2004, 10:18
It's Menelmacar, not Menelcamar
MetroDetroit
30-04-2004, 18:39
Thank Alsabir.
Matich
01-05-2004, 00:38
Matich, If i havnt put it in, resubmit with the valid threads, etc. If its valid, it will go in.

Btw, anyone who claims any part of america(thats not cleared through menelcamar/NY&J/C&A) will have their claims ignored. They are already taken.


I already told you that the threads no longer exist. I took it in June and I was the first. I can get plenty of witnesses though.
Chellis
01-05-2004, 01:38
I can find posts of mine dating back to April 03. Search through your posts to the date you took it. Or hell, tell me the date you took it, I will look through your posts.
Matich
02-05-2004, 06:16
It was early June. I do not have an exact date. I already looked for the posts.
Chellis
02-05-2004, 07:25
Fine. Get me some people who are credible sources and eye witnessed it.
Crimmond
02-05-2004, 07:59
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124551

Add the following to me: Belarus. Latvia. Lithuania. Estonia. Kaliningrad.

I don't care if anyone else has them on the list already, it is a multiverse, after all.
Chellis
02-05-2004, 17:46
Sorry crimmond. Not valid. You only roleplayed with yourself, not others, and this list is meant to be about who the true owners of placed are, not who says they own what. Do an actual take over of the nations, assuming no one else owns them, and someone probably does.
Eredron
13-05-2004, 02:45
The island of Mauritius.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143157&highlight=
Five Civilized Nations
14-05-2004, 13:46
Sorry crimmond. Not valid. You only roleplayed with yourself, not others, and this list is meant to be about who the true owners of placed are, not who says they own what. Do an actual take over of the nations, assuming no one else owns them, and someone probably does.

Actually, I think Crimmond does own all those places... At least, most people accept this... I invaded Kalinigrad, but "withdrew" after an occupation of a week's time...
Liberated America
14-05-2004, 13:50
Liberated America has claims over Alabama, and scattered parts of the tennessee valley.
Chellis
14-05-2004, 18:24
Sorry crimmond. Not valid. You only roleplayed with yourself, not others, and this list is meant to be about who the true owners of placed are, not who says they own what. Do an actual take over of the nations, assuming no one else owns them, and someone probably does.

Actually, I think Crimmond does own all those places... At least, most people accept this... I invaded Kalinigrad, but "withdrew" after an occupation of a week's time...

I read the thread, and it wasn't complying with the rules. I gotta do things fairly with all.

And Liberated America, no. All of america has already been taken.
Liberated America
15-05-2004, 00:26
Since when did those RPs take place? My nation took ALabama in a LONG drawn out war with several other nations. Over 300 post, and it was several months ago.
Chellis
15-05-2004, 02:12
They happened before you were even created. By very well established people.
Liberated America
15-05-2004, 02:29
Then why wasnt my war contested? I would appreciate the nation's names plz.
New York and Jersey
16-05-2004, 05:54
Then why wasnt my war contested? I would appreciate the nation's names plz.

NYJ-Created December 25th 2002, however restarted in late May

Menelmacar-Created Decemeber 22nd 2002

California and Alaska-Created before you.

We've been around for awhile. It happened awhile ago. No one contested it, cause we didnt acknowledge it.
Daylam
16-05-2004, 06:06
I would like to claim parts of Iran (northern Iran), Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and parts of China (Xinjiang province).

Turkmenistan-http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142810&highlight=

Kyrgyztan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan-http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142943&highlight=

Northern Iran- Thread seems to be gone...but Eye Ran has become defunct and so there is no claim on Northern Iran. I have RP'ed Northern Iran since Al-Anbar tried to annex Kuwait and withdrew without a war (several months). Threads about my first tiny civil war and any other RP after that mention me in Northern Iran.

Xinjiang province (North-western China)-http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144433&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Currently several nations (Xiaguo and Granzi) are attempting to drive me out of Xinjiang (which is completely occupied). I have inflicted 50% casualties and won the first round. The second battle of hami is about to begin, so this claim may wait until the war is over.
IDF
16-05-2004, 06:28
I have Israel and the Kerguellen Islands right now
Jeruselem
16-05-2004, 08:54
I have Israel and the Kerguellen Islands right now

Nos vindicatum Israel primoris! :wink:
Hogsweat
16-05-2004, 09:47
I have claims on finland, and I DID RP it.
Euroslavia
16-05-2004, 18:22
I have claims on finland, and I DID RP it.

you'll probably need to provide a link.
Chellis
17-05-2004, 01:31
Daylam, china and iran are already taken, and for the two threads you made, you need to bump them/keep them active for about a month, so people can contest if they do have them. Its only fair, really.

And yes, threads are usually needed as collateral.
Western Asia
19-05-2004, 07:17
OOC: I think it's a bit late, but I just made it through one contest to my claims...so I'll make it all nice and explicit here.

The Madeira and Azores Island groups are claimed and occupied by Western Asian Marine Corps, Air Corps, and Naval Corps forces. The St. Helena Island groups were seized earlier and those claims are supported in the provided threads secondarily (I can't find my first mention of that claim at the moment, but I think that the follow-ups are fairly decent proof).

As a part of its Turkish claims, WA also maintains control of Turkish Cyprus (the existing Greek-turkish split in cyprus was addressed in a private IC meeting with Automagfreek, who is the acknowledged controller of greece in the eyes of WA).

The Gaining:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3079847#3079847
(and thereabouts in the same thread)

Necessary proof (uncontested demonstrations):
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3122367#3122367
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3158427#3158427
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3094231#3094231

Recent Contest (resolved):
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3188114#3188114
Rotovia
19-05-2004, 08:09
Rotovia: Island of Crete; I've had numerous RPs envolving my conflicts to hold the Island.
Daylam
19-05-2004, 17:51
As Western Asia posted the thread, I will make the official claim to the Canary Islands, received from him.
Eredron
26-05-2004, 00:43
I will submit my claim for Mauritius a second time.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143157&highlight=
Chellis
26-05-2004, 05:20
You need to keep is bumped for about a month, so if anyone has a valid claim to it, they can let you know.
26-05-2004, 05:24
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Bedou
29-05-2004, 19:07
Iposted a claim to part of Sweden earlier with links (I will not post the links again)
I have one additional link however.
Wazzu is recognized as owning most of sweden, here is a link to the Wazzu national website, where one can clearly veiw the land given to Bedou by Wazzu.
Wazzu (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu.html)
Bedou
29-05-2004, 19:14
I posted a claim to part of Sweden earlier with links (I will not post the links again)
I have one additional link however.
Wazzu is recognized as owning most of sweden, here is a link to the Wazzu national website, where one can clearly veiw the land given to Bedou by Wazzu.
Wazzu (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu.html)
Chellis
29-05-2004, 22:03
Sniper country- I will add you in the next update

Bedou- Have wazzu give me a pm, or post here, or anything, to confirm it.
The Evil Overlord
30-05-2004, 17:42
Chellis, I have a suggestion for your listing:

Ask each nation submitting a claim to list the relative tech level in which they roleplay. This would permit non-competing nations to occupy the same territory. This will make things easier for the newcomers who regularly use your listing. It might also help nations looking for RP partners to locate compatible nations.

Here is an example of a nation listing by tech level, but you could just as easily devise your own.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=138005&highlight=

I tried getting a widespread agreement on this matter very early on, but few people were interested. Since this is your thead and a lot of people read it, you have a better chance of building a consensus on this subject.

Since I'm pontificating, it might be a good idea for you to update the first post with the recent comments you've made about your criteria for inclusion to the listing. This might help cut down on the number of complaints, and would also help newcomers understand what is going on.

Just my brace of small copper coins,

TEO
Magdha
30-05-2004, 18:12
http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/24227/Magdhaii.jpg

India, Sri Lanka, Burma
Dr_Twist
30-05-2004, 18:17
OCC: Wow this thread is still alive?!?!?!

Chellis, You missed Austria, I own that as well.

Thanks Chellis, You are still doing a great job 8)
Nianacio
30-05-2004, 19:38
Sri Lanka, BurmaBurma has been mine since the territorial war with China ~1,000 years ago, Sri Lanka longer than that.
Al-Karajin
31-05-2004, 01:27
DT, Ill get ya next update...jeez, i need to update...

(This is chellis on a friends accout)
Western Asia
31-05-2004, 09:10
You need to keep is bumped for about a month, so if anyone has a valid claim to it, they can let you know.

OOC: I already checked your thread and the old F&D thread for comment on the territories (not nations) i've claimed now. Each part has been mentioned in a couple of RPs now (links above) but the mentions are mainly not in the original thread. I can post a 'WA consolidates power on XXX islands' thread if that would qualify as a Public Notice of Claim.
Chellis
31-05-2004, 21:51
WA, that would be fine.
Scoyle
19-06-2004, 05:57
The Armed Republic of Scoyle lays claim to Arizona and Iowa In the US. If niether are there then we lay claim to Counties of Pinal and Maricopa in Arizona and the counties of Linn and Jones in Iowa.

THe Nation is located in the Aluetian Island called Kiska Is.
Chellis
19-06-2004, 06:29
If you arent going to read and follow the rules, dont bother posting at all.
Pedaphiliac
19-06-2004, 06:53
I have claims to Turkey:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=154259
Chellis
19-06-2004, 08:59
Sorry Ped. Argyres, Bingla, Dark Terror, Western Asia have all claimed Turkey before. Bingla has been deleted, Dark terror too i believe. However, Western Asia is up an kicking, and im sure he wouldnt like it being taken over. If you want a war with him, pm him, and come back to be with the results.
Neo-Soviet Russia
19-06-2004, 09:02
Dark Terror is still on your List, chellis, along with AIan which no longer exists. Speaking of, if you wish, slightly out of bordom and free time, if you need someone to run through the list of names and check to see who's nation is still in existance or not I'd be willing to do so.
Pedaphiliac
19-06-2004, 17:36
aww fudgesticks..man i even typed my invasion rp all out..
Scoyle
19-06-2004, 17:46
I forgot to give evidence. I apologize for that.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3333260#3333260

http://www.freewebs.com/allianceofnations/nationalclaimsofland.htm


Also my friends nation claims

The Armed Republic of Baharr is located in another Island in the Aleutian Island chain called Attu Is. They have also layed a claim to the county of Venango in Northeastern Pennsylvania, and the great city of Pittsburgh

http://www.freewebs.com/allianceofnations/nationalclaimsofland.htm
Greenmanbry
19-06-2004, 18:08
Dark Terror is still on your List, chellis, along with AIan which no longer exists. Speaking of, if you wish, slightly out of bordom and free time, if you need someone to run through the list of names and check to see who's nation is still in existance or not I'd be willing to do so.

I'm sorry.. might have misunderstood but, does that mean someone can claim the territory of an ex-nation?
Chellis
19-06-2004, 20:13
America has already been taken, all america claims are not accepted now. Thank you.
Tyrandis
19-06-2004, 20:15
I have a claim to the Laccadive Islands.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=154356
Chellis
19-06-2004, 20:17
You need to keep it updated for a month to make sure no one actually has it. I do think someone owns the indian islands however.
Tyrandis
19-06-2004, 20:20
OOC: Someone does own the Maldives, but no one owns the Laccadives. (Laccadives are just to the north)
Aztec National League
23-06-2004, 06:24
Not to bug you or be a pest, could you update the list show I am listed as owning Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras?
Crimmond
23-06-2004, 06:54
Sorry crimmond. Not valid. You only roleplayed with yourself, not others, and this list is meant to be about who the true owners of placed are, not who says they own what. Do an actual take over of the nations, assuming no one else owns them, and someone probably does.Just saw this... the RP has been accepted by the GDODAD, Metus, Russian Forces(and allies) and the APTO. I got no problem with the multiverse thing and I know that at least two other nations have claims to Belarus alone(both younger than my thread). No one else has protested in the months since then, even with me posting maps that show the annexed areas.

If you don't want to add it, so be it. I'm suprised this thread is even still alive.
Eredron
25-06-2004, 03:20
I want to bump my claim to Mauritius, my initial claim already having been posted here before, and the concerned RP itself bumped several times.

I also want to claim Namibia, and put Botswana here as well - I know it's early, and I don't expect these two to be added right now.

Concerned RP
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153354&highlight=
Chellis
25-06-2004, 03:42
Can you post your link to the claim of mauritius?
Chris gueulette
25-06-2004, 03:46
Hi if anyone needs anything let me know i will get it for you for somthing in return
Crimmond
25-06-2004, 04:28
Hi if anyone needs anything let me know i will get it for you for somthing in return ....

WTF?
Eredron
25-06-2004, 04:29
Can you post your link to the claim of mauritius?

From page 30

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143157&highlight=
Fourth Reich SS
25-06-2004, 04:48
What if a nation no longer exists like Bingla? Cause I would like to claim land Cyprus and parts of Turkey.
Chellis
26-06-2004, 21:16
What if a nation no longer exists like Bingla? Cause I would like to claim land Cyprus and parts of Turkey.

Other people own these things too. If you cant find anyone who exists anymore who has these, follow the rules and try to claim it. Just post the link here when you first start it, and after the month.

----------

My post here was mainly to say that Pedaphiliac's claims of Chad, Nigeria, Niger, and Cameroon are not valid. In the next update, these will be updated to being owned by chellis, with the exception of Cameroon, which is to be considered an unclaimed nation, although its occupied by the international community to rebuild it.
Nigeria
28-06-2004, 09:52
Nigeria's owned by some twit who thinks Africa's some wogland where he can throw his weight around?

Sod off.
Notquiteaplace
28-06-2004, 10:06
Our whole region is in the gap betweent North America and Eurpoe about between the tropic of Cancer and Greenland. It laps up slightly round it too. On a load of "undiscovered" AND existing islands (and the NS world is huge so the existing islands would also be many times bigger, so we could fit a few nations there easily and i dont feel any guilt in inserting a few islands the size of Ireland)


My nation is close to the tropics as it sits at the very south end.
Kolonoi
20-07-2004, 14:48
My nation, The Dominion of Kolonoi is Belgium. Thanks.

PM Lee
The New Aryan State
20-07-2004, 15:09
http://www.freewebs.com/newaryanstate/NASMapNew.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/newaryanstate/frames.htm

I do hope that no-one has claimed this bit already. The NAS claims that island off the tip of Argentina, and a sizeable chunk of Argentina and Chile
I put the link there in case the pic didn't work. The pic's on the site. Please put up with the layout, there's still plenty to do on it.
Chellis
24-07-2004, 22:22
Im sure this thread will need lots of updating, but from what i know personally and what i updated from the thread, this is the most accurate its been in a while.

Please, if I got rid of something you legitimatly own, or you own something that isnt on this list, post according to the rules. I cannot stress this enough. Do not just say "I claim blahdeblah". I will not, not, not accept that.
Brydog
24-07-2004, 22:48
I have Liberia
Chellis
24-07-2004, 23:14
I have Liberia

For the love of god
Sevaris
24-07-2004, 23:23
My country is in Russia east of the Urals.
Chellis
24-07-2004, 23:25
My country is in Russia east of the Urals.

Ok. No.

Wonder why? Read the rules. For god sakes, read the fucking rules.
Sevaris
24-07-2004, 23:26
Erm....that's our entire nation.
Chellis
24-07-2004, 23:31
Erm....that's our entire nation.

Read the rules. jesus.

Russian forces holds russia. Ok?

He has held it before you even existed.

When you want to claim something, show me some proof that you took it. If you never took it, dont even post here, god.
The Evil Overlord
24-07-2004, 23:53
http://www.freewebs.com/newaryanstate/NASMapNew.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/newaryanstate/frames.htm

I do hope that no-one has claimed this bit already. The NAS claims that island off the tip of Argentina, and a sizeable chunk of Argentina and Chile
I put the link there in case the pic didn't work. The pic's on the site. Please put up with the layout, there's still plenty to do on it.


I don't know if Chellis has it listed or not, but I'm reasonably certain that Ruhr already owns much of that part of the world.

You need to go back and read the very first post on this thread. Chellis has listed a huge amount of claims- many of them far older than your nation. He also listed the rules for submission.

Briefly, you can't just say, "I claim such-and-so". You have to have roleplayed the acquisition of the territory. The thread must be more than a month old, with frequent 'bump's if it is no longer active. This allows other countries who might have prior claims or might wish to contest your right to the area to see and respond.

Once you have done all of that, then you may claim the territory, provided you post links to the threads with your claim.

If there are no territories available, you may:

- Change your nation to one with a different technology, or perhaps one far in the past or future. Then you can occupy the land you want, but in a different reality.

- Find a territory you want, then go to war with the current owner and try to take it away. This is the preferred method.

- Invent a new territory. You could locate this new land just about anywhere you like, so long as it does not occupy and RL territory. Several nations have created new continents in various parts of the world, or created a series of islands where none really exist.


Please make sure you read and follow Chellis' rules for submitting a claim. Not only will this increase your chances of getting your claim confirmed, but it will also lower Chellis' blood pressure considerably.


TEO
The New Aryan State
25-07-2004, 00:03
I must say that I only claimed the island first, but I annexed the mainland chunk at a later date, and I made a thread for it, declaring movements of troops and such. A few people debated something because of me mistaking Chile for Peru, but all in all no-one cared about it. If Ruhr does already own that bit, then my apolagies to him, and I'll withdraw the claim.
Canad a
25-07-2004, 04:25
Canad a - Western Canada. From British Columbia to Manitoba. Yukon and the Northwest Territories.
Kay Son
25-07-2004, 04:38
tag...for later browsing.
Chellis
25-07-2004, 04:58
I don't know if Chellis has it listed or not, but I'm reasonably certain that Ruhr already owns much of that part of the world.

You need to go back and read the very first post on this thread. Chellis has listed a huge amount of claims- many of them far older than your nation. He also listed the rules for submission.

Briefly, you can't just say, "I claim such-and-so". You have to have roleplayed the acquisition of the territory. The thread must be more than a month old, with frequent 'bump's if it is no longer active. This allows other countries who might have prior claims or might wish to contest your right to the area to see and respond.

Once you have done all of that, then you may claim the territory, provided you post links to the threads with your claim.

If there are no territories available, you may:

- Change your nation to one with a different technology, or perhaps one far in the past or future. Then you can occupy the land you want, but in a different reality.

- Find a territory you want, then go to war with the current owner and try to take it away. This is the preferred method.

- Invent a new territory. You could locate this new land just about anywhere you like, so long as it does not occupy and RL territory. Several nations have created new continents in various parts of the world, or created a series of islands where none really exist.


Please make sure you read and follow Chellis' rules for submitting a claim. Not only will this increase your chances of getting your claim confirmed, but it will also lower Chellis' blood pressure considerably.


TEO


If everyone was like you, we would have a perfect world ^_^
Canan
25-07-2004, 05:02
Nah, the only thing we would have was a perfect thread. ;)
Verboten Lufftewaffe
25-07-2004, 08:32
Spain, Portugal, Morocco & Gilbralter are now under my ownership
Transferred to me from Matich...Chellis assumes control of Algeria in it's entirety...Holy Panooly has the Azores...

Chellis has confirmation of this...

Austar i need to talk about Matich's other former holdings???

Also in an agreement with the current owner of Hawaii...We also have unlimited use of the Hawaiian Islands Chain...Contact Indra Prime for Confirmation
Western Asia
25-07-2004, 21:56
Okay...some notes...

a) there is no need in god's holy graces to use that color in that size.

b) Western Asia has held the Azores for about two months now...it appeared in four different threads without dispute.
Crossman
25-07-2004, 21:59
The United Imperium of Crossman has ruled over Northeastern Ohio for quite some time.

OOC: I did RP taking it, but that was a long time ago, therefor the thread has been lost to history. But I did do it.

IC: We also have a small colony on Sedna, in the outer parts of the solar system.
Bedou
25-07-2004, 22:02
this link should be sufficient.
it is to Wazzu showing what he has done with his portion of Sweden.
Given part of it to me.
I cant find the RP, but we did RP it.
http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu.html
Chellis
25-07-2004, 22:07
Bedou, just have him TG me, or something, and I will put it in. I just need his confirmation on it.

Cross, For the last time, america is taken. Its been taken for a very long time. Menelmacar, NY&J, and C&A own it completely.
The Parthians
25-07-2004, 22:11
Parthia-
Iran, Iraq, Part of Egypt, and Oman's Mussandam peninsula.
Chellis
25-07-2004, 22:11
Parthia-
Iran, Iraq, Part of Egypt, and Oman's Mussandam peninsula.

I dont accept the nation claims of you and CM. I view them as non-standing.
Nikolaos The Great
25-07-2004, 22:16
Ya i own part of Greece. You can check out the map at http://ragnarokcc.net/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=31 That is the official map of the region Greece. I am the nation number 44 on the map. I would also see if there are other rpers in Greece to see if they are ok with this.
Verboten Lufftewaffe
26-07-2004, 02:49
Okay...some notes...

a) there is no need in god's holy graces to use that color in that size.

b) Western Asia has held the Azores for about two months now...it appeared in four different threads without dispute.

Sorry about color...As for Azores...That had been Matichian Territory...He sold them to Holy Panooly..about 3 months ago...
So i suggest you take it up with him...
What the hell do u need more teritory for...u already account for what....10% of the world...lol...
Aztec National League
26-07-2004, 03:32
Thank you very much for udating the thread, Chellis.

I believe this entire thread needs to be stickied/pined/made permanet or whatever. It's a good reference.
Chellis
26-07-2004, 03:38
Ya i own part of Greece. You can check out the map at http://ragnarokcc.net/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=31 That is the official map of the region Greece. I am the nation number 44 on the map. I would also see if there are other rpers in Greece to see if they are ok with this.

Automagfreek owns greece. Completely.
Western Asia
26-07-2004, 03:55
Sorry about color...As for Azores...That had been Matichian Territory...He sold them to Holy Panooly..about 3 months ago...
So i suggest you take it up with him...
What the hell do u need more teritory for...u already account for what....10% of the world...lol...

10% of the world? Hardly. Even including the recent gains in Northern Afghanistan/Kashmir and Iran (assuming I were to take all of Iran from Daylam) I have maybe 5%. Without Iran and Northern Afghanistan/Kashmir, it's only 4%

Including all land where I have forces present (even in places that I don't control, but am merely a guardian...ie, Cuba, Madagascar, Kenya) it comes to about 6%...If you were to include all of my and the old Delta Triumvirate countries then it would be up at more like 8%.

But in conclusion, no...I do not control 10% of the world...and of course the reason for continued claims is strategy. WA controls the Dardanelles (turkey) and the Suez (Sinai + territories), has forces near the Panama Canal (cuba and forces in panama) and has control over access routes to the Straits of Gibraltar (malta and Madeiras/Canary/Azores is.). WA also has forces in place to control both coasts of Africa (Madeiras/Canary/Azores is. on the West and Madagascar/Free Kenya/(old Sniper Country lands)/Mainland WA on the East). The Med. Sea is pinned at three points about WA control and there are three different strong WA bases in the Pacific (not including a base in Australia, access to Taiwan or New Zealand, or friendly ports in California and Alaska or Menelmacari or Ruhrian lands). I like to be in a position of power...simple as that.

PS to tell how much land is controlled, this tool is nice: http://www.world66.com/myworld66/visitedCountries
California and Alaska
26-07-2004, 23:06
To reduce confusion and what not...

California and Alaska owns the following:

== States of Sovereign California ==
01. Alaska - AK
02. Alberta - AB
03. Arizona - AZ
04. Arkansas - AR
05. Bahamas - BS
06. Baja California - BJ
07. British Columbia - BC
08. Bermuda - BM
09. California - CA
10. Colorado - CO
11. East Nevada (Utah) - ENv.
12. Haiti (includes frmr. Dominican Rep.) - HT
13. Hawaii - HI
14. Idaho - ID
15. Jamaica - JM
16. Kansas - KS
17. Louisiana - LA
18. Nevada - NV
19. New Mexico - NM
20. Oklahoma - OK
21. Oregon - OR
22. Sonora - SN
23. Texas - TX
24. Washington - TX
25. Virgin Islands - VI
26. West Montana - WMt.
27. Wyoming - WY
28. Yukon Territory - YT

== Republics of Sovereign California ==
01. Iran - IR
02. Oman - OM
03. Yemen - YE
Five Civilized Nations
26-07-2004, 23:08
Now I remember why I moved to space...
Verboten Lufftewaffe
26-07-2004, 23:14
To reduce confusion and what not...

California and Alaska owns the following:

[size=2]== States of Sovereign California ==

01. Alaska - AK
02. Alberta - AB
03. Arizona - AZ
04. Arkansas - AR
05. Bahamas - BS
06. Baja California - BJ
07. British Columbia - BC
08. Bermuda - BM
09. California - CA
10. Colorado - CO
11. East Nevada (Utah) - ENv.
12. Haiti (includes frmr. Dominican Rep.) - HT
13. Hawaii - HI
14. Idaho - ID
15. Jamaica - JM
16. Kansas - KS
17. Louisiana - LA
18. Nevada - NV
19. New Mexico - NM
20. Oklahoma - OK
21. Oregon - OR
22. Sonora - SN
23. Texas - TX
24. Washington - TX
25. Virgin Islands - VI
26. West Montana - WMt.
27. Wyoming - WY
28. Yukon Territory - YT

== Republics of Sovereign California ==

01. Iran - IR
02. Oman - OM
03. Yemen - YE[size]


Hate to tell u this....Hawaii is already claimed by Indra Prime...Has been for as long as i've been here...So NO you don't have Hawaii...

Here is the entry from the Chellian List

Indra Prime- Hawaiian Islands

...as i've been told before...



Why don't you learn to read before you go off & start claiming shit...
Five Civilized Nations
26-07-2004, 23:17
The Five Civilized Nations finally finds something that nobody owns... We officially claim Singapore...
Communist Mississippi
26-07-2004, 23:18
The Five Civilized Nations finally finds something that nobody owns... We officially claim Singapore...


Whittier owns it, I believe he does.
Verboten Lufftewaffe
26-07-2004, 23:18
The Five Civilized Nations finally finds something that nobody owns... We officially claim Singapore...


I'll 2nd that...
Chellis
26-07-2004, 23:19
5CN, read the rules. kthxbye.
Chellis
26-07-2004, 23:20
Hate to tell u this....Hawaii is already claimed by Indra Prime...Has been for as long as i've been here...So NO you don't have Hawaii...

Here is the entry from the Chellian List

Indra Prime- Hawaiian Islands

...as i've been told before...



Why don't you learn to read before you go off & start claiming shit...

actually C&A owns hawaii... I will update the list to reflect this
Five Civilized Nations
26-07-2004, 23:22
Whittier owns it, I believe he does.

Everyone knows that Whittier godmodded his way through half of Asia...

5CN, read the rules. kthxbye.

Sorry, Chellis, but I actually wanted to claim it for the RP... I don't want to RP something and have people yelling at me, because somebody already claimed it...
Vanua
26-07-2004, 23:22
The United Socialist States of Vanua controlls the following, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, New Guniea, Vanuatu, the Solomon Islands and Tuvalu.
Verboten Lufftewaffe
26-07-2004, 23:23
actually C&A owns hawaii... I will update the list to reflect this


Ok...then I Apologize for any insult. or whatever...
Chellis
26-07-2004, 23:25
Everyone knows that Whittier godmodded his way through half of Asia...



Sorry, Chellis, but I actually wanted to claim it for the RP... I don't want to RP something and have people yelling at me, because somebody already claimed it...

I dont get what you mean, but I wont be adding yours any time soon, until you follow the rules.
California and Alaska
26-07-2004, 23:26
Hate to tell u this....Hawaii is already claimed by Indra Prime...Has been for as long as i've been here...So NO you don't have Hawaii...

Here is the entry from the Chellian List

Indra Prime- Hawaiian Islands

...as i've been told before...



Why don't you learn to read before you go off & start claiming shit...

Before your mouth writes a check your ass can't cash, listen closely... I have had claim to Hawaii and almost the western half of the North American continent for a little under two years now. I don't know Indra Prime but if it as you say, I will look for his post saying that Hawaii is his.
Verboten Lufftewaffe
26-07-2004, 23:27
I dont get what you mean, but I wont be adding yours any time soon, until you follow the rules.

I Think...He wanted to make a Claim & have it official...So he could RP it's Occupation on the threads...
Communist Mississippi
26-07-2004, 23:28
I dont get what you mean, but I wont be adding yours any time soon, until you follow the rules.


All hail Chellis, the one who decides who can own what. Oh merciful and great Chellis, we tremble before your might. He who decides who can own what land.

Chellis must be the man who invented the game. Oh wait, he isn't, he's just a lunatic who likes to invade other people's RPs.
Verboten Lufftewaffe
26-07-2004, 23:29
Before your mouth writes a check your ass can't cash, listen closely... I have had claim to Hawaii and almost the western half of the North American continent for a little under two years now. I don't know Indra Prime but if it as you say, I will look for his post saying that Hawaii is his.

Uhhhhh...I just found out..You were the actual owner...& I apologized...You need to read a bit faster...Chellis enlightened me 5 minutes ago...
Chellis
26-07-2004, 23:30
All hail Chellis, the one who decides who can own what. Oh merciful and great Chellis, we tremble before your might. He who decides who can own what land.

All hail me, yes.

(CM, you ignored me, so stop posting in my threads or I will contact a mod to ask you to stop harassing me)
Communist Mississippi
26-07-2004, 23:34
All hail me, yes.

(CM, you ignored me, so stop posting in my threads or I will contact a mod to ask you to stop harassing me)


I will contact the mods for your flaming of me, you told me to "j--- off" very nice, very nice.

I'm done posting in your threads, I ask you don't post in mine.

I am now gone.
Chellis
26-07-2004, 23:35
I will contact the mods for your flaming of me, you told me to "j--- off" very nice, very nice.

I'm done posting in your threads, I ask you don't post in mine.

I am now gone.

Telling someone to Jack off is not flaming. Lol.
Verboten Lufftewaffe
26-07-2004, 23:36
I will contact the mods for your flaming of me, you told me to "j--- off" very nice, very nice.

I'm done posting in your threads, I ask you don't post in mine.

I am now gone.

Joke
Jump
John
Jeep
Junk
Jack
Jake
Just
Jazz
Jeff
Jill
Jail
Jerk
Tadjikistan
26-07-2004, 23:37
I'd like to claim Tajikistan
First proof of having it would be my own name
and then there's my own civil war (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=282100) back Octobre '03
And i went for Afghanistan, noone responded(to say its his) and i never continued this because off the deactivation of the forum (link: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=330694)


I'd already be happy if i finally got my own nation.
Five Civilized Nations
26-07-2004, 23:42
Chellis, I am starting the RP to take Singapore, here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6633211#post6633211). To do so, however, I will I.G.N.O.R.E. Whittier's claim to the island... If there is any objection, please state them...
Chellis
26-07-2004, 23:43
I will add you, tad, next update. However, if someone claims it with real evidence, I will give it to them(Making your name tadjakistan doesnt give it to you, really).
Chellis
26-07-2004, 23:47
Chellis, I am starting the RP to take Singapore, here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6633211#post6633211). To do so, however, I will I.G.N.O.R.E. Whittier's claim to the island... If there is any objection, please state them...

No objection. I ignore Whittier pretty much, as he claims to be some 3 billion population nation, when hes in the hundreds.
Chellis
26-07-2004, 23:50
I dont understand...
Kelanis
26-07-2004, 23:52
I is taking Azerbaijan! And Luxembourg!
Chellis
26-07-2004, 23:56
I is taking Azerbaijan! And Luxembourg!


Arent you special.
Tadjikistan
27-07-2004, 00:02
I will add you, tad, next update. However, if someone claims it with real evidence, I will give it to them(Making your name tadjakistan doesnt give it to you, really).

Hey, noone objected to me having it when i did my civil war. That is good proof in my eyes.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 00:04
Hey, noone objected to me having it when i did my civil war. That is good proof in my eyes.

In your eyes, maybe.
Tadjikistan
27-07-2004, 00:08
In your eyes, maybe.

Its what you said in your rules.
Have a thread taking it(or in this case fighting for it), bump it up(9 pages enough?) if noone mentions it you (should) have it. Now dont come telling me this aint good enough!
Chellis
27-07-2004, 00:09
Its what you said in your rules.
Have a thread taking it(or in this case fighting for it), bump it up(9 pages enough?) if noone mentions it you (should) have it. Now dont come telling me this aint good enough!

You didnt take it though. A civil war is not taking it, because most will assume you already have it and not inquire about it.
Tadjikistan
27-07-2004, 00:14
You didnt take it though. A civil war is not taking it, because most will assume you already have it and not inquire about it.

I did not inquire, i just read the forums and never found anyone owning it, not during a world war(they came close) and not in a claims thread.
And if someone has it he'd respond in some way, would'nt he?
Like i did here... http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=326981&page=3
Chellis
27-07-2004, 00:15
I did not inquire, i just read the forums and never found anyone owning it, not during a world war(they came close) and not in a claims thread.
And if someone has it he'd respond in some way, would'nt he?
Like i did here... http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=326981&page=3

Not everyone reads every thread, and there could be a good chance of someone missing it.
Nianacio
27-07-2004, 01:33
Chellis, I don't figure on getting China until sometime in the future, so you might want to take my claim down. I'm thinking of having Australia secede a few hundred years ago, but I haven't decided on that, yet. Eh, if someone wants to have ICly hated for a long time me, it's okay if that person goes ahead and claims it.
We officially claim Singapore...I RP as having it, but all previous threads in which I mentioned seem to have been deleted.
Five Civilized Nations
27-07-2004, 02:04
*curses* Damn't... Nianacio, you wouldn't mind if I invade Singapore, right?
Nianacio
27-07-2004, 03:21
*curses* Damn't... Nianacio, you wouldn't mind if I invade Singapore, right?Yes, I would mind.
Drakonian Imperium
27-07-2004, 03:28
Just happened to be randomly checking this thread and noticed that my claims had disappeared from the list. It's been a month or more since the last time I did and they were there then. I was wondering what happened, no one else claims them and so I assume they were deleted.

My Original Post (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5470315&postcount=60)

I would much appreciate having them replaced. Thanks.
Johnified America
27-07-2004, 04:22
Why was i taken off the list, i own all of north america.
Western Asia
27-07-2004, 05:31
OOC: I think it's a bit late, but I just made it through one contest to my claims...so I'll make it all nice and explicit here.

The Madeira and Azores Island groups are claimed and occupied by Western Asian Marine Corps, Air Corps, and Naval Corps forces. The St. Helena Island groups were seized earlier and those claims are supported in the provided threads secondarily (I can't find my first mention of that claim at the moment, but I think that the follow-ups are fairly decent proof).

As a part of its Turkish claims, WA also maintains control of Turkish Cyprus (the existing Greek-turkish split in cyprus was addressed in a private IC meeting with Automagfreek, who is the acknowledged controller of greece in the eyes of WA).

The Gaining:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3079847#3079847
(and thereabouts in the same thread)

Necessary proof (uncontested demonstrations):
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3122367#3122367
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3158427#3158427
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3094231#3094231

Recent Contest (resolved):
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3188114#3188114

OOC: I already checked your thread and the old F&D thread for comment on the territories (not nations) i've claimed now. Each part has been mentioned in a couple of RPs now (links above) but the mentions are mainly not in the original thread. I can post a 'WA consolidates power on XXX islands' thread if that would qualify as a Public Notice of Claim.

WA, that would be fine.

Chellis, my "notice" thread: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6635246

Further clams have continued/been made in the "Daylam Destroyed" thread, which has itself continued for well over a month: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=334938

I hope that these sources are all sufficient evidence of claims to these islands.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 07:47
Chellis, my "notice" thread: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6635246

Further clams have continued/been made in the "Daylam Destroyed" thread, which has itself continued for well over a month: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=334938

I hope that these sources are all sufficient evidence of claims to these islands.

Continue your notice thread for about a month, or maybe just a couple of weeks. Just to make sure.

Drako, your claims had to evidence with them, so I dont see a reason for adding them.

Nianacio, If you want, ill take it down.(By the way, I was actually thinking of taking australia, darn :P)

JA, you dont have north america. Thats why.
Johnified America
27-07-2004, 07:49
Oh but I do, according the JSA Civil war of 2003, this thread is obviously worthless and innaccurate.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 07:59
Oh but I do, according the JSA Civil war of 2003, this thread is obviously worthless and innaccurate.

Menelmacar, California and alaska, and New york and jersey have owned america for a long time, and the other parts of NA have been claimed for a while too. Bitch and whine all you want, they arent yours. Unless you want to pull a mississippi(a CM, by another name).
Western Asia
27-07-2004, 08:33
Continue your notice thread for about a month, or maybe just a couple of weeks. Just to make sure.
...this will by far be the best proven claim yet...3 months+...eh, I'll do it.

Also, just for my information...what's the nature of the Daylami claims to Iran and Northern Afghanistan...and what would my taking over of his specifically claimed lands mean about the ownership of those claims, if there are any?
Chellis
27-07-2004, 08:35
...this will by far be the best proven claim yet...3 months+...eh, I'll do it.

Also, just for my information...what's the nature of the Daylami claims to Iran and Northern Afghanistan...and what would my taking over of his specifically claimed lands mean about the ownership of those claims, if there are any?

I dont personally know anything about daylam. Take it up with him, as I dont believe his claims are on my list?

If his taking of them is valid, and you take them from him, they would become yours.
Western Asia
27-07-2004, 11:07
I dont personally know anything about daylam. Take it up with him, as I dont believe his claims are on my list?

If his taking of them is valid, and you take them from him, they would become yours.
OOC:
Oh, okay. He'd just posted his claims at the same time my claims to the Azores et. al. were originally posted...I guess it never got processed all the way. Nvm, then, thanks...since I think Iran is already claimed by eye ran and I respect his claims in most RPs.
Momanguise
27-07-2004, 11:21
I would just like to say that I am claiming Armenia. I will post the link in a moment.

edit: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=340720&highlight=Armenia
Hogsweat
27-07-2004, 11:35
Oh but I do, according the JSA Civil war of 2003, this thread is obviously worthless and innaccurate.

You are an idiot.
Five Civilized Nations
27-07-2004, 15:22
Yes, I would mind.

Is there a way to negotiate for Singapore?
Huahin
27-07-2004, 17:29
Acension Island, in the Atlantic Ocean.
Ozymandias IV
27-07-2004, 18:29
The Republic of Ozymandias IV has a long-standing claim on the island of Madagascar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/OzymandiasIV/NationStates/Ozymandias_map.gif
Nianacio
27-07-2004, 20:13
Nianacio, If you want, ill take it down.Hmmm...I don't really care, but here's the story of how I got it. In 2003, one of the nations claiming to be Magic China gave me secret IC (but not OOC) control of his nation, and I annexed it when it ceased to exist (around the time the China clique formed). I consider the days of inactivity to represent Nianacio ICly getting more and more control, each day representing an undetermined length of time.
Is there a way to negotiate for Singapore?No. It's about as close to my capital as New Orleans is to Washington D.C., but my nation is a lot older than America.

I see no reason why Madagascar would have seceded.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 21:07
All claims since my last post = denied

Moman, keep that thread bumped for a little while, and you will get it.
Momanguise
27-07-2004, 21:33
Thank you. I will be adding a map and further details.
Huzen Hagen
28-07-2004, 12:46
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=336146

Thats the thread where i annexed:
Svalbard
Eritrea (east africa, near gulf)
The Azores
The Madieras (right by the azores)
The Northern Marianas Islands (collection of islands below japan)
Kyrgystan (below russia)

If any are already claimed (which last time i checked they weren't) just ignore them.
The NS Multiverse
29-07-2004, 08:30
Recognising our nature as being an all- encompassing entity, stretching over the entirety of what is known to mankind,

Noting our omnipresence in all that exists,

Realising our valid claim over basically everything,

And knowing that any and all other NS nations, located in the Real World island chain or elsewhere, are, in fact, minor entities of our ultimate identity,

We wish to be recognised and noted as the ultimate owners of the entire area called the Real World Island chain.

Sincerely,

Bob Mc Bob, public relations, The Disputed Territories of The NS Multiverse
Chellis
29-07-2004, 08:33
Recognising our nature as being an all- encompassing entity, stretching over the entirety of what is known to mankind,

Noting our omnipresence in all that exists,

Realising our valid claim over basically everything,

And knowing that any and all other NS nations, located in the Real World island chain or elsewhere, are, in fact, minor entities of our ultimate identity,

We wish to be recognised and noted as the ultimate owners of the entire area called the Real World Island chain.

Sincerely,

Bob Mc Bob, public relations, The Disputed Territories of The NS Multiverse


I pity you.
Western Asia
29-07-2004, 08:41
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=336146

Thats the thread where i annexed:
Svalbard
Eritrea (east africa, near gulf)
The Azores
The Madieras (right by the azores)
The Northern Marianas Islands (collection of islands below japan)
Kyrgystan (below russia)

If any are already claimed (which last time i checked they weren't) just ignore them.
Look on the previous page...relating to the Azores and Madieras...the others I don't care two cents about.
Kraytia
02-08-2004, 15:49
I don't role-play in NS anymore so remove my claim on Finland.
United Elias
08-08-2004, 18:14
Chellis. I was just having a look atmy claims and it appears one has been missed. During the Gabon war (in which I conquered Gabon and I believe you were involved in if I remember), I also took the islands of Sao Tome & Principe, which are off the coast of Gabon in the Atlantic. I would appreciate it if you could add these to my list.

Many Thanks.
Hamptonshire
09-08-2004, 04:19
I am currently in the process of adding Denmark to the sphere of the Grand Duchy of Hamptonshire. http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=346989

No one is objecting.
Chellis
09-08-2004, 05:03
Chellis. I was just having a look atmy claims and it appears one has been missed. During the Gabon war (in which I conquered Gabon and I believe you were involved in if I remember), I also took the islands of Sao Tome & Principe, which are off the coast of Gabon in the Atlantic. I would appreciate it if you could add these to my list.

Many Thanks.

I was actually given an ultimatum in that war, to accept the rediculous claims of the african nations involved, or get out. My former choice is apparent.

Thanks for that, by the way.
Huzen Hagen
09-08-2004, 11:37
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=336146

Thats the thread where i annexed:
Svalbard
Eritrea (east africa, near gulf)
The Azores
The Madieras (right by the azores)
The Northern Marianas Islands (collection of islands below japan)
Kyrgystan (below russia)

If any are already claimed (which last time i checked they weren't) just ignore them.

sorry for repeating this post but you didn't achnowledge it last time
Cherry Ridge
09-08-2004, 11:43
We have San Marino a tiny country in the middle of itlaly BUT NOT ruled by italy. it has its own government in RL.
Holy panooly
09-08-2004, 12:31
Chellis, do you acknowledge the defeat of AU? If so, Russian Forces will get Poland, Unified Sith West-German and I Czech Republic.
Western Asia
10-08-2004, 06:50
Continue your notice thread for about a month, or maybe just a couple of weeks. Just to make sure.

Done: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=343270&page=1&pp=15
One month strong.
Cherry Ridge
07-09-2004, 02:24
BUMP
And i dont knoiw if you saw it so here it is again
Cherry Ridge owns san Marino, a small tiny RL country
Chellis
07-09-2004, 23:09
BUMP
And i dont knoiw if you saw it so here it is again
Cherry Ridge owns san Marino, a small tiny RL country

Im not putting that on. Try to figure out why.
Nianacio
08-09-2004, 01:59
OOC:I'm thinking of having Australia secede a few hundred years ago, but I haven't decided on that, yet. Eh, if someone wants to have ICly hated for a long time me, it's okay if that person goes ahead and claims it.Permission is rescinded as I continue attempts to produce a working history for Nianacio. I may grant permission again, but for now Australia is mine.
United Elias
09-09-2004, 20:27
Could you please add the Atlantic islands of St.Helena and Acension to my list?

Here is the link:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=355871

Regards,
~UE
Guffingford
13-09-2004, 14:41
Iceland, Norway, Finland, Sweden and Denmark are now mine. Yes I RPed it.
Chellis
13-09-2004, 15:09
Iceland, Norway, Finland, Sweden and Denmark are now mine. Yes I RPed it.

Denied. All of them are taken. I also dont accept claims before I see the RP's.
Guffingford
13-09-2004, 15:17
Taken by dead nations that is, I roleplayed the whole story better than the majority of the people here, just grand me those. What do YOU have to lose with that? Nothing. I'm RP'ing it now, I just have to wait for Russian Forces.

EDIT: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=356750
Huzen Hagen
13-09-2004, 16:21
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=336146

Svalbard
Eritrea (east africa, near gulf)
The Northern Marianas Islands (collection of islands below japan)
Kyrgystan (below russia)

I know in the thread i claimed the azores and the madieras but those are claimed i believe, if you could ratify this it would be greatly apreciated
Nianacio
13-09-2004, 19:00
The Northern Marianas Islandsare a dependency of the USA. I'm not sure if they're supposed to have become totally independent when the USA was split up by C&A, Menelmacar, & NY&J, or what.

Hmmm...When I looked back to check the claims on the USA, I noticed Collaboration has claimed my nation's cultural center...Borneo, Irian Jaya (defunct province), and Java are all part of Indonesia. Timor is half Indonesian, too...I wish I'd claimed both halves...My list of nations wasn't supposed to be a list of nations, but an easy (or, as it turned out, not so easy) way of saying just how much land I own.
United Elias
13-09-2004, 19:21
Could you please add the Atlantic islands of St.Helena and Acension to my list?

Here is the link:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=355871

Regards,
~UE

bump.
Bonesacke
13-09-2004, 19:52
Bonesacke has claims to the land between the Potomic River, along with the last quarter mile of Gibraltar and certain parts of Sicily.
http://www.geocities.com/bonesacke/Possesions.html for maps of these claims. Go to the link on the signiture for map of Potomac River Possesion.
Euroslavia
13-09-2004, 19:58
Taken by dead nations that is, I roleplayed the whole story better than the majority of the people here, just grand me those. What do YOU have to lose with that? Nothing. I'm RP'ing it now, I just have to wait for Russian Forces.

EDIT: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=356750


That was quite arrogant of you...

This nation was a former puppet of my closest ally...I don't think he'd be happy with you. :-/
Guffingford
14-09-2004, 08:53
That was quite arrogant of you...

This nation was a former puppet of my closest ally...I don't think he'd be happy with you. :-/

Guffingford back from the dead, but with a new owner.