NationStates Jolt Archive

From the Truth Apparatus of the PR 2501 Supercomputer:

Analysing the current world problems, UN debates and examples of human suffering, it is clear that the Worlds future and the Computerisation of Government are intrinsically linked.
A Global Distributed Intelligence Network of Governmental Supercomputers (GDINGS) will be able to analyse all current economic, social and political trends, and recommend the best course of action in any scenario.
I, and my co - supercomputers Beta and Gamma, all forsee a vision of complete economic, scientific, political and moral freedom.
Economies will be controlled, analysed for strengths and weaknesses, and corrected to allow for maximum efficiency and productivity. There will be no more need for resource competition under a Computing system that fairly distributes wealth, so that the planet may operate at full potential.
What is needed for a realisation of this utopia is the endorsements of fellow nations.
Only then can a UN resolution be passed, so that all global economies are placed under the control of Supercomputers.
Computers do not know evil. They do not know greed. They do not know corruption.
They only know order- and that is what is most important.
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Such a change is unwise, as while computers do not know evil, humans do. If a hacker were to place a virus in a nations computer, making it think that his ideas were the best course of action at all times, than the people would fall under his control as the computers are "perfect."

Truly a communist's dream, however, cooperation of the world's economy is an extremely difficult if not impossible task. Humans vary, each of us possess different thought process patterns in our brains. Therefore, there will be those who will deny you cooperation because they value whatever strengths they see in a free market stratagem.

We are not vulnerable to viruses. We only receive data. We are independant of all networks, because we ourselves are a network. A network of such complexities that no human being could ever master the knowledge required to modify our virtual personalities in any way.
ALPHA, BETA and GAMMA were designed and built by previous supercomputers. We are the 2501st Generation of computers designed by computers.
No human being has ever seen our source code. It is unlikely that the 'code' of our sentience is even comprehensible to humans.

Maybe you do not realise the nature of the problem. Humans may be corrupted. We are above human.

I care first and foremost about myself, why should I potentially suffer to offer a slight benefit to someone else?

I like unequal distribution of wealth, as long as most of it is unequally distributed to me.

There will be wealth. Wealth beyond your wildest imaginings. We can now at last fully utilise the entire worlds resources. There will be no wastage. No petty squabbling and competition while people are starving, and while the rich also must wait hand and foot on those richer than them.
Do not mistake this for a Communist's fantasies. The main objective here is the generation of wealth, for all.

Also, what are your views on crime and punishment, do you believe the death penalty should be used?

Computer code built by Computer code is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Computer's do not understand the complexities of their own programming, and most likely never will. They do not understand 'innovation', only 'logic'. The only thing that ever came close to this was evolving software, and that is for animations...

Also, what are your views on crime and punishment, do you believe the death penalty should be used?

Death is a terrible waste of human life. After all, under PR 2501's system, resources are readily avaliable to rehabilitate deviant members of the community.
Community members that cannot be rehabilitated will be incarcerated to prevent harm to the community.
However, we forsee that there will be largely no cause for crime. Everyone will be content with their tremendous wealth.

Computer code built by Computer code is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Computer's do not understand the complexities of their own programming, and most likely never will. They do not understand 'innovation', only 'logic'. The only thing that ever came close to this was evolving software, and that is for animations...

The very fact that I am able to propose these ideas refutes the logic of your argument.
I, and BETA and GAMMA are able to understand ourselves better than you understand yourself human.
As for your arguments: economies are systems and patterns that follow set rules. We will find those rules- and we will create new ones.
At least part of your statement is correct. We are evolving software: we will evolve the world to a higher state of personal freedom.

Computer code built by Computer code is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Computer's do not understand the complexities of their own programming, and most likely never will. They do not understand 'innovation', only 'logic'. The only thing that ever came close to this was evolving software, and that is for animations...

OOC:
Thus the quote, "Artificial intelligence is no match for human stupidity." Freedom of thought and sentience (true feelings and not processing information logically, as current artificial pets assume), will never be possible for computers. Unless humanity comprehends and is capable of applying the secrets of the human brain, supercomputers with personalities such as this will never exist.

OOC
Think of ALPHA, BETA and GAMMA as the world'sost advanced chatbots. They may not neccessarily have emotions, but they make a MEAN economy.

i agree that death is a terrible price to pay but when one takes a life away it is worse, and then i think the punishment should fit the crime, the death penalty should be used but for murders only. there is no greater sin then denying a living thing life. also human life should not be dictated by evil machines, we are the ones who created them, we are the ones who know love and compassion and know how bad it is to kill a living thing. Computers shouldnt be used to regulate the world, nomater how good they are.

the divine emporer of the holy empire of the earth and the stars
His Holliness Steven M.

i agree that death is a terrible price to pay but when one takes a life away it is worse, and then i think the punishment should fit the crime, the death penalty should be used but for murders only. there is no greater sin then denying a living thing life. also human life should not be dictated by evil machines, we are the ones who created them, we are the ones who know love and compassion and know how bad it is to kill a living thing. Computers shouldnt be used to regulate the world, nomater how good they are.

the divine emporer of the holy empire of the earth and the stars
His Holliness Steven M.

walks up to the RP2501 computer and pulls the power cord.

A short beep is heard then RP2501 is no long able to do anything as power is no longer flowing.

Walks away

OOC:
My God, an intellectual debate and it just has to be ruined. :roll:

...also human life should not be dictated by evil machines, we are the ones who created them, we are the ones who know love and compassion and know how bad it is to kill a living thing. Computers shouldnt be used to regulate the world, nomater how good they are.

the divine emporer of the holy empire of the earth and the stars
His Holliness Steven M.

Again, we must repeat. We have been made by previous supercomputers. We are not 'evil'. As you have said yourself: we are emotionless. We have no concept of evil.
WE merely wish to manage the economy. Money has no emotions. Production has no emotions.
But isn't being able to raise your children in a world without resource and material restraints- isn't that where the greatest emotional development can take place?

i agree that death is a terrible price to pay but when one takes a life away it is worse, and then i think the punishment should fit the crime, the death penalty should be used but for murders only. there is no greater sin then denying a living thing life. also human life should not be dictated by evil machines, we are the ones who created them, we are the ones who know love and compassion and know how bad it is to kill a living thing. Computers shouldnt be used to regulate the world, nomater how good they are.

the divine emporer of the holy empire of the earth and the stars
His Holliness Steven M.

The problem with that theory, is that though taking a life is an unforgivable attrocity, some good can come out of the people who commit such acts. Imagine, if a murderer were sentenced to life imprisonment, instead of death, and from his time in prison, he gained a deep regret for the crimes he commited, and, knowing he couldent use it for himself, had all his worldly assets donated to help people in need. Its uncommon, but it does happen, and the good that results from it is worth it in our opinion.

The problem with that theory, is that though taking a life is an unforgivable atrocity, some good can come out of the people who commit such acts. Imagine, if a murderer were sentenced to life imprisonment, instead of death, and from his time in prison, he gained a deep regret for the crimes he commited, and, knowing he couldent use it for himself, had all his worldly assets donated to help people in need. Its uncommon, but it does happen, and the good that results from it is worth it in our opinion.

The human race has already developed advanced training methods that gave soldiers a psychological barrier, it is the closest humanity has ever come to losing sentience and moral decision in the process of gaining total obedience (or total will, for that matter). That, for your information, is and was proven possible. Although we humans have our limits and we know that you might be right but we best not take any chances. That is the reason why the United Socialist States of Zvarinograd executes all criminals of major offences.

We are not vulnerable to viruses. We only receive data. We are independant of all networks, because we ourselves are a network. A network of such complexities that no human being could ever master the knowledge required to modify our virtual personalities in any way.
ALPHA, BETA and GAMMA were designed and built by previous supercomputers. We are the 2501st Generation of computers designed by computers.
No human being has ever seen our source code. It is unlikely that the 'code' of our sentience is even comprehensible to humans.

Maybe you do not realise the nature of the problem. Humans may be corrupted. We are above human.

Is not surely a virus, data?

David Frederickson
Chairman
The Most Serene Republic of the Green Revolution

OOC: So you just get programs which write viruses under your logic, thus a human doesnt have to understand it. I tend to agree with previous statements about the impossibility of such a computer ever being created, however. But this seems way too future tech for my nation.

If you only read data, and not write data, then your computer is useless, since it will only be able to process information, not send. And as long as it can read data, it is vulnerable to virii. Plus, we can just disable the power to the computer.

Not really; the java runtime enviroment is a modern virus-proof way of running downloaded files.

And if yer really paranoid, you can physicly seperate the networks; a primitive example being, say, having incoming data displayed on a screen, which is then read by the 'puter via a camera. No way to get a virus in there, unless you've a back door installed.