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Mercs and Arms,
affiliates of Jaratia,
is happy to present from MadMek Inc. the Midnight Mobile Suit!

Midnight Mobile Suit(MNMS)
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/z/rx-178-titans.jpg

Arnament:
60 mm 2-barrel vulcan pod, 1400 rounds total, mounted on head; shield, mounted on either forearm

360 mm hyper bazooka, clip-fed, 7 rounds per clip plus 1 round in chamber, can be stored on rear skirt armor storage rack

and a Beam rifle

Weight:
Empty 33.4 metric tons; max gross 54.1 metric tons; mass ratio 1.44

Propulsion:
Rocket thrusters: 4 x 20300 kg

Height:
Overall height 19.6 meters; head height 18.5 meters

PRICE:400 mil per unit

OOC:Too high? Too low? Feedback wanted!

((OOC: Far too low in price, and isn't the head kinda big?))

OOC:900 mil alright?
And,compared to the rest of the body, isn't the head kinda small?

OOC:900 mil alright?
And,compared to the rest of the body, isn't the head kinda small?

Not really, the only thing the head need to house are the two vulcan cannons, and sensor equipment, if this is based off of a MS unit from the later end of the Federal Foces/Zeon war, then it will have the pilot housing in the chest, or if this is post MS war, then it iwll have the cockpit farther down. For price, try 1 Billion

ooc: I am still confused on pricing.. it depends on your manufacturing abilities. When I first started out, my mecha were around 500 million, now they're near 35 million.

ooc: I am still confused on pricing.. it depends on your manufacturing abilities. When I first started out, my mecha were around 500 million, now they're near 35 million.Now that's just plain way too low. If you're going to make an efficient mecha with all the materials, weapons, and manuverability that one requires, you'd better place its pricetag in the $100 billion range to rake in even a small profit.

Not really. Despite the main reason for lowered prices being that most of our competitors are rediculously low, we actually have legit IC reasons for low prices. We have massive production facilitieies, putting out hundreds of mecha a year. The production is cheap, maybe costing us 4 million a pop. A 7.5 meter frame, sensors, and Computers are the only expensive elements. mechanics are simple pneumatics and electronctricting polymers, powerplant is chlorophusion, and does not require much space, maneuverability is handled mostly by heatpile thruster packages, weapons are simple lasers and gauss rifles and machine guns and flamethrowers etc, the hull is LiquidMetal^2, made in massive amounts from alloys mined on triton, and everything else is negligable(sp).

Not really. Despite the main reason for lowered prices being that most of our competitors are rediculously low, we actually have legit IC reasons for low prices. We have massive production facilitieies, putting out hundreds of mecha a year. The production is cheap, maybe costing us 4 million a pop. A 7.5 meter frame, sensors, and Computers are the only expensive elements. mechanics are simple pneumatics and electronctricting polymers, powerplant is chlorophusion, and does not require much space, maneuverability is handled mostly by heatpile thruster packages, weapons are simple lasers and gauss rifles and machine guns and flamethrowers etc, the hull is LiquidMetal^2, made in massive amounts from alloys mined on triton, and everything else is negligable(sp).We, too, have massive production powers/facilities, but we can't make our mechs for less than $1 billion a piece, and that's if they're stripped of all but the essentials. Then again, a 60-foot-tall death machine with plasma cannons, machine guns, nuclear warheads, and assorted other weapons of mass destruction, and that can get into space by itself tends to cost a lot. Hm...))

stop fighting an just tell me how much it is im interested.

((Besides, the Gundam model of the moble suit is very top heavy, with very little support or surface area on the bottom of the feet. That's why I use Armored Cores for my base design, as they're just about the most technologically accurate bipedial mechas that you can find.))

can i just get a god damn robot or its this gunna be a debate

can i just get a god damn robot or its this gunna be a debateThis was designed to be a debate so that he could get the kinks worked out of his moble suits. This is not, I repeat, not a sale thread.

Well, at least not to my knowledge.

Do not take pricing advice from the Resi Corporation. Their store prices are hideously high. 600-750 million would be good, anything up to 1.5 billion probably acceptable.

ohhhh...i thought you are selling the mech...

resi corporation lookse very experienced so his advice is probably good. 1 billion seems about right.

Do not take pricing advice from the Resi Corporation. Their store prices are hideously high. 600-750 million would be good, anything up to 1.5 billion probably acceptable.For a sixty-foot-tall battlemech? Yes, that is high, but people will buy them. However, it isn't insanely high when you consider all that goes into the mech. Remember that the only reason that Capsule sold his mecha for so little is that he had competition. The Resi name is trusted, and so people pay more for our goods. Kinda like Nike shoes versus other brands. :wink:

*Pre-Post Hijack Apology*

Resi, I understand the value of trusted names but when it is in an RP and people don't have to stick to the actual machine as one would in real life, a crap-mecha is just as good as a well made one.

*Pre-Post Hijack Apology*

Resi, I understand the value of trusted names but when it is in an RP and people don't have to stick to the actual machine as one would in real life, a crap-mecha is just as good as a well made one.Too true. However, those who want their RP experience to be as accurate as possible will choose my mechas. The non-purists can do what they want, I get enough business.

I think the prize should be, at most, about 10,000,000.

Considering the fact that the MS this Midnight MS is based off of was obsolete before it was even deployed should be a factor in price. Along with the rather standard Titanium armor materials and fairly common weaponry (for MS that is), it would be rediculous to charge that much.

Especially since you could probobly get a few hundred of Starlight Angel's Kuwagatas for a billion. And the Kuwagatas are better too.

I cant believe you took gundams from the show and put it in this thread, i'm disgusted!!!


msg season 1 was the best!!!!

it would be very hard say especially because something like this doesn't exist in real life( or atleast not massively produced).

I think the prize should be, at most, about 10,000,000.

Considering the fact that the MS this Midnight MS is based off of was obsolete before it was even deployed should be a factor in price. Along with the rather standard Titanium armor materials and fairly common weaponry (for MS that is), it would be rediculous to charge that much.

Especially since you could probobly get a few hundred of Starlight Angel's Kuwagatas for a billion. And the Kuwagatas are better too.

Resi-take a look at this. THIS is why your prices would be overpriced for this mecha. You talked about the RP purists wanting good stuff. Well this mecha isn't as good as a K-MaG, so the price should be much lower. Simple.

I cant believe you took gundams from the show and put it in this thread, i'm disgusted!!!


msg season 1 was the best!!!!

There was only 1 season of MSG. And please chill, this kind of thing isn't uncommon.

EDIT: What's a K-MaG?

If you can get a few hundred for a billion, no they aren't. Making a mobile suit takes money, lots of money, and if you mass-produce them like that you'd have to use such building materials as plastic and wood in the armor. Not saying that a limited ammount of plastic is a bad thing, but a hundred mecha with stormtrooper armor wouldn't stand a chance against a single Prota Raven Unit. To use a Gundam (*shudder*) analogy, it'd be like Amaro's mobile suit against a few hundred Zaku forces. Pure pwnage with a side of emotional problems and getting beat down by an 11-year-old girl.

Resi-take a look at this. THIS is why your prices would be overpriced for this mecha. You talked about the RP purists wanting good stuff. Well this mecha isn't as good as a K-MaG, so the price should be much lower. Simple.The thing is, these mecha are made of cardboard. Mecha cost a lot, let's face it. If I were to drop my prices any, I'd be the next target for things like technological-correctness freaks and Angelus' ignore list. I can't afford to be ignored by Angelus at this time, sorry.

mobile suit gundam had like three season. including G gundam. and I'm just saying people should get their own Ideas if their going to start a thread. kinda like klonor and capsule corp( I'm such a hipocrit!) you know people like that.

If mecha cost billions per unit, then every faction in any Gundam series would have been bankrupt and into such deep decificits that their economies would have collapsed.

By the time of the events in MSG, Zeon had probobly 2,000 MS at least and probobly raised that number to 2,500-3,000 by the war's end. If Side 3 was as resource-starved as I've heard, then where did they get the 2.5+ billion to build MS and countless more cash to build a fleet of warships and a couple of space fortresses to carry them? Not to mention the cast amounts of Magella Tanks, Dopp fighters, and other support craft.

I concede the point, Resi, but the rules of physics that apply to you do not necessarily apply to a September nation, and there are people who are just waiting for an excuse to hassle you whether you are techno-correct or not.

Starlight Angel, I would just like to point out that you are arguing MSG numbers as a grounds for something being unrealistic. It's a TV show, the numbers have little or no bearing on logic or reality.

If you want logic and reality, then I've heard that not only are mecha impractical, but the Mobile Suit kind would be impossible to make work.

I'm not saying it has to be logical, I'm just saying that condemning something because it doesn't make sense in the context of MSG is kind of ridiculous.

It is my opinion that if you're going to argue about something, you may as well argue about the reality your subject does exist in, because it officially exists nowhere else. It's like the whole Star Wars/Star Trek arguments: you can't really give an accurate count as to how powerful a phaser is compared to a Turbolaser, because the two simply don't exist together.

And it's like that with the Mobile Suit and real mecha.

WOAH WOAH WOAH...Most of what you are saying I agree with but hold one just ONE SECOND. MSG is NOT the only source of such technology. It is not uncommon to use a Gundam pic for Battlemech technology, and there is certainly tons of that out there.

Also, Just as a sideline, there is actual evidence to support relative strengths of phasers/lasers/turbolasers.

You mean Battletech has Zakus, Minovsky Particles, and everything else that makes a Gundam mecha a Gundam mecha?

Read it again, I did not say Battlemech had Gundam tech, I said Gundam pics can be used for Battlemech tech.

So? That doesn't make it the same variety of mecha. I can take a Chrono Trigger character and call him a Dragonball Z character, but that doesn't give them the ability to turn into a monster during a full moon or fly.

And what I'm saying is that applying the rules of Gundam to a mech that may not be meant to follow those rules is not reasonable.

EDIT: PS I like your example :D

OOC: that's why i discarded my notion of producing gundams and mobile suits....to many detractors out there... :lol:

oh well, i guess i'll just develop and look into robotechnology for now...veritechs and spartan armors fulfill my mission requirements anyway... :lol:

And what I'm saying is that applying the rules of Gundam to a mech that may not be meant to follow those rules is not reasonable.

EDIT: PS I like your example :D

Thanks.

I've been thinking that maybe there's a degree of miscommunication between us.

Is the "Midnight Mobile Suit" as he's calling it a Mobile SUit in the MSG-sense or a Battlemech? If it's a Battlemech, then I'll withdraw. I don't know much about Battlemechs.

I don't know, I assumed that the author was simply using the phrase to describe the unit. If I'm wrong then my entire argument is withdrawn.

If mecha cost billions per unit, then every faction in any Gundam series would have been bankrupt and into such deep decificits that their economies would have collapsed.I agree, which is why Gundam is fantasy. Hell, the Big ZAM alone would've put Zion into a collosal ammount of debt, especially if it wasn't mass-produced.

By the time of the events in MSG, Zeon had probobly 2,000 MS at least and probobly raised that number to 2,500-3,000 by the war's end. If Side 3 was as resource-starved as I've heard, then where did they get the 2.5+ billion to build MS and countless more cash to build a fleet of warships and a couple of space fortresses to carry them? Not to mention the cast amounts of Magella Tanks, Dopp fighters, and other support craft.Interesting questions. Why don't you ask the producers of Gundam, as frankly I can't stand the series. It's too physically and economically impossible. G Gundam and Gundam Seed are the only two gundam serieses that I find remotely interesting, mainly because of unique Gundams and occasional humor (like Neo Holland's Windmill Gundam in G Gundam). Oh, and I haven't even gotten to the substance known as Gundanium, an element made of pure GODMOD.

Is the "Midnight Mobile Suit" as he's calling it a Mobile SUit in the MSG-sense or a Battlemech? If it's a Battlemech, then I'll withdraw. I don't know much about Battlemechs.I tend to think of battlemechs as the mecha from MechWarrior, what with the reverse-jointed legs and overall AT-ST like appearance. Maybe that's not the case here, but I don't know.

In any case, my Raven Units are most certainly not what you would call "Mobile Suits", as such a thing denotes that it comes from Gundam. Rather, they are just that, Raven Units. They are of a class unto themselves, and are far more capible and expensive than mobile suits and battlemechs combined.

Wow...I read the whole thing over a fewtimes and am still unsure about pricing... So,from what I gather something in the billions would be alright?

Wow...I read the whole thing over a fewtimes and am still unsure about pricing... So,from what I gather something in the billions would be alright?

Probably ya,

I will now add my 4 cents to this disctution, rebember, the Principality of Zeon did not just mine for the Sides, they also had resource colection facilites on asteroids that were towed in from the belt. (Same in Gundam Wind, it was not mentioned too much, but in several of the episodes, it was mentioned that asteroids were being towed in from the belt, hence large amounts of resources.) So it is fesable. Somewhat. But I prefer BattleMech and Armor Core tech to MS tech, more feasible, and you get called a GODMODDer less.

But I prefer BattleMech and Armor Core tech to MS tech, more feasible, and you get called a GODMODDer less.Best recognise. :wink: