NationStates Jolt Archive


The Artillery Store(MLRS, mortars, guided rounds, howitzers)

27-10-2003, 21:57
* Is the price for NCA or TGP members

155mm versions of the 152mm guns are available upon request

Howitzers


152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer
A towed weapon of 152mm caliber capable of firing guided munitions. $1.5 mil/$1 mil*
http://www.rusarm.ru/Images/MSTA_B.jpg

Efficient destruction of various targets in tactical depth:


tactical nuclear attack means;
unsheltered/sheltered manpower;
command posts, air defence and electronic facilities;
bunkers and pillboxes;
artillery means, armoured vehicles, MBTs.


Distinctive features:



delivering both indirect fire using panoramic sight, and direct fire using optical or panoramic sight;

the separate-case rounds with high-explosive projectiles used for firing;

the loading mechanism to ensure easy and rapid projectile loading;

the prime mover options for towing are the URAL-4320 Wheeled Truck, or MTLB Multipurpose Light-Armoured Tracked Vehicle;

transportation of ammunition load by the prime mover.


Composition:


cradle, recoil systems, and loading mechanism;
sliding mount, guidance mechanism, balancing system;
bottom carriage, trails, jack, and electrical equipment;
running gear;
sighting devices with illumination means;
SPTAs (single, group, and repair).


Basic Characteristics


Combat weight, kg 7,000
Crew, persons 6
Maximum range of fire with He-Frag projectile, km 24,7
Maximum rate of fire, rds/min 8
Angles of sight, deg:
in traverse ±28
in elevation -3.5...+70
Maximum towing speed, km/h
paved roads 80
cross-country 20
Time of deployment from travelling to firing position, min 2.0 ... 2.5

152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzer
Self-propelled 152mm howitzercapable of firing guided munitions. $5 mil/$4 mil*
http://www.armscontrol.ru/atmtc/Arms_systems/Land/Artillery/Self_Propelled/mstas.jpg
The system is designed to defeat unsheltered/covered manpower and materiel to division (army) mission depth. It can effectively engage moving and fixed armoured targets and fortifications by first shot without fire adjustment.

The self-propelled howitzer is a typical turreted mount. It is based on a newly developed chassis, with assemblies and devices unified with main battle tanks. The ammunition and gun loading, laying and targeting procedures are highly mechanised. To minimise gas content during sustained firing, the weapon is separated from the crew by means of a jacket where fired cases are ejected automatically. The howitzer is provided with an autonomous gas-turbine auxiliary power unit. Owing to a high rate of fire, time required to accomplish guided projectiles are used, ammunition expenditure for defeating typical targets is reduced 10 ... 15 fold.


Basic Characteristics


Max firiing range, km:
HE-FRAG projectiles 24.7
HE-FRAG gas-assisted projectiles 28.5
KRASNOPOL guided projectile 20.0
Min firing range, km 6.5
Rate of fire, rds/min 8
Elevation, deg 68
Depression, deg -4
Traverse, deg 360
Fire pattern:
in deflection, Epr/Xmax 11
in range, Epr/Xmax 1/374
Gun loading:
for projectiles automatic
for charges semi-automatic
HE-FRAG projectile weight, kg 43.56
Onboard ammunition load, rds 50
Mount weight, t 42.5
Crew, men 7 (5)
Unit of fire, rds 60

Mortars



120mm NONA-SVK Self-Propelled Gun/Mortar System
A self propelled 120mm mortar on the chassis of a BTR-80 APC capable of being used by either NATO or Eastern Tech users. $1 mil /$.75 mil*
http://www.rusarm.ru/Images/Nona_svk.jpg
http://www.army.lv/Tehnika/Artelerija/Nona/nona_svk.jpg
The NONA-SVK Self-propelled Gun is intended to engage artillery means, manpower, light armoured targets, missile launchers and command posts.

The gun is mounted on the chassis of the BTR-80 Armoured Personnel Carrier and retains its basic mobility characteristics.

The distinctive feature of the NONA-SVK is the 120-mm 2A60 Rifled Semi-Automatic Gun mounted on the rotating turret. The gun is capable of delivering aimed direct and indirect fire employing HE 120-mm Russian-made projectiles, and mines of both Russian and NATO standards. Consequently, the gun constitutes a hybrid of a howitzer and mortar that can provide fire support for mechanised infantry sub-units in all types of combat.

The auxiliary weapon set comprises a 7.62-mm machine gun mounted on the turret roof, a smoke-screen system, as well as sighting and night-vision devices.


Basic Characteristics


Total weight , kg 14.500
Crew 4
General dimensions, mm 7,400x2,900x2,495
Gun 120 mm 2A60
max range of fire with HEF rojectiles/HEFmortar shells, m 8,700/7,100
max rate of fire, rds/min 10
ammunition allowance, rds 30
types of ammunition HE-frag and HEAT projectiles
HEF, incendiary, smoke and
illuminating mortar shells
traverse, deg ±35
angle of elevation/depression, deg from -4 to +80
Machine gun 7.62 mm PKT
ammunition allowance, rds 500
Crew's weapon set A-91M Assault Rifles (4)
IGLA-S AD Missile Systems (2)
F-1 Hand Grenades (15)


Gaz-3937 Mortar Carrier
A 120mm mortar mounted on the Gaz-3937 Vodnik general-purpose vehicle. $200,000/$150,000*
http://www.jed.simonides.org/4x4afv/golf/gaz3937_series/3937-mortar/gaz3937_000.jpg
Armament: 120mm Mortar
Stabilization: NA
Ammo: 140x 120mm Mortar shells
Fuel Type: G, A, D
Load: 1 400 kg
Vehicle Weight: 6.5 Tons
Crew: 2 + 4/8


MLRS Systems



9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket System
A powerful 300mm MLRS system capable of firing on targets 90km away. $7.5 mil/$6.5 mil*
http://www.rusarm.ru/Images/Smerch4.jpg
The highly effective SMERCH MLRS is designed to suppress missile, artillery and mortar batteries, destroy strong points and eliminate enemy strongholds, as well as to defeat enemy's manpower, armoured and unarmoured materiel and other targets at the operational level. The system is highly mobile and transportable even off-roads. It can be used in different climatic conditions at an ambient temperature ranging from +50oC to -50oC.

The 9A52-2 Combat Vehicle comprises a 12-tube launcher system mounted on an automobile chassis (8 x 8) of high cross-country ability with a powerful diesel engine. The single SMERCH unit is capable of firing a complete 12-round salvo within 38 seconds engaging an area of 672000 sq.m. High accuracy of fire with salvo dispersion is provided by in-flight rotation technique of a rocket projectile specially designed for this MLRS. Fire can be controlled from the special cabin of the combat vehicle or remotely.

The rocket used is the 300 mm calibre 9M55K, fitted with a self-contained powered-flight phase control system enhancing fire precision by a factor of two and accuracy by a factor of three as compared to unguided rockets. Minimum range is 20,000 m and maximum range 90,000 m.

The rocket can be fitted with the following types of warheads:

9M55K cluster projectile with fragmentation sub-munitions (72 x 1.81 kg). Intended to engage manpower, soft material;

9M55F with a separable HE warhead containing 95 kg of explosive for use against lightly armoured vehicles, fortifications and personnel;

9M55K1 with five top-attack anti-armour sub-munitions that weigh 15 kg each and are fitted with a two-band infra-red seeker. The munition measures 284x255x186 mm, the seeker's field of view is 30 deg. designed to defeat armour.

9M55S 300 mm rocket projectile with a thermobaric warhead is designed to defeat unsheltered manpower, as well as personel in light field fortifications and in soft-skinned/lightly armored vehichles. The warhead weght is 243 kg, the weight of explosive is 100 kg, the diameter of the thermobaric field with the temperature more than 1000 °C is 25 m.

9M55K4 300 mm rocket projectile is designed for remote laying of anti-tank minefields. The number of mines is 25. The mine weighs 4.85kg, the weight of explosive is 1.85 kg. Time of mine self-destruction is 16 ... 24 hours.



9A52-2 Combat Vehicle Basic Characteristics


Number of launching tubes, pcs 12
Range of fire, km:
maximum 70
minimum 20
Complete salvo duration, sec, not more than 38
Killing zone by a salvo fire, ha 67,2
Time to bring from:
travelling to combat position, min 3
combat to travelling position, min 3
Combat crew, men 4
Weight with ammunition, kg 43,700
Chassis MAZ 543M


9T234-2 LTV Transloading Vehicle


Baseline vehicle MAZ-543A
Weight of a vehicle fully loaded, kg 41,500
Number of projectiles carried, pcs 12
Crane payload, kg 850
Combat crew, men 3
Maximum speed, km/h 60
Fuel endurance, km 850
Maximum fordable depth, m 1.1


Ammunition (Rockets):


9M55K with Frag cluster warhead:
Number of sub-munitions in a cluster warhead, pcs 72
Weight of a sub-munition, kg 1.75
9M55F with HE warhead:
Warhead weight, kg 258
9M55K1 with cluster warhead containing
self-targeting sub-munitions:
Weight of a sub-munition, kg 15
Calibre, mm 300
Rocket projectile weight, kg 800
9M55S:
Weight of thermobaric mixture, kg 100
Time of self-destruction, sec 110 ... 160
Thermobaric effect duration, ms 1,440
9M55K4:
Range of remote mine-laying, km 20 ... 70
Number of mines, pcs 25
Mine dimensions, mm 330 x 84 x 84

Upgraded GRAD MLRS
The old BM-21 Grad, an MLRS system on a truck, with more modern features. $750,000/$600,000*
http://www.rusarm.ru/Simages/Grad1.jpg
The upgrade envisaged an introduction of a variety of new ammunition to enhance the range and fire-power, as well as to widen combat capabilities of the GRAD Multiple Launch Rocket System.

1. The Rocket Projectile with self-targeting sub-minitions.
The rocket carries a warhead loaded with two small-size self-targeting submunitions. It is intended to engage armour. Being equipped with composite solid propellant, it can be fired to a range of up to 30km.

2. The Rocket Projectile to set jamming.
The rocket is equipped with the warhead comprising the jammer, which provides efficient jamming of HF/VHF radio communications of troops, command posts, and ground-based information processing facilities. Being equipped with the general purpose engine of the M-21 0F rocket, it can be fired at the distance of up to 18 km.

3. The Rocket Projectile with enhanced warhead explosive power and enhanced fire range.
The rocket carries the HE-Frag warhead loaded with the explosive of enhanced power. It provides two-fold increase of typical-targets-strike effectiveness, if compared with the M-21 0F general purpose rocket projectile. Being equipped with the composite solid fuel engine, it can be fired at the distance of up to 40 km.

4. The Rocket Projectile with separable high-explosive fragmentation warhead and enhanced fire range.
The rocket carries the HE-Frag warhead when such a warhead is used, the ammunition expenditure for defeating typical targets is reduced by a factor of 6, as compared to the organic M-21 0F projectiles.

5. The Rocket Projectile with cluster warhead with hollow-change/fragmentation submunitions.
It is intended to engage sheltered troops and lightly armoured vehicles. Being equipped with the composite solid-propellant engine, it can be fired at the distance of up to 30 km.


Guided Artillery Munitions



KRASNOPOL and KRASNOPOL-M Guided Munitions
http://www.rusarm.ru/Images/KRASNOPOL.JPG
Laser guided munitions with a range of 22km. Good for killing off tanks with artillery. The M version is the one adapted for 155mm caliber weapons. $45,000/$40,000*

The 152 mm KRASNOPOL and 155 mm KRASNOPOL-M guided arttillery systems are intended for use against armoured targets. They may also be used to destroy fortifications and for counter-battery and coastal defence anti-ship missions.

Each system comprises a guided artillery projectile, 1D15(1D22) laser target designator-range finder, 1A35 synchronisation unit, an artillery system.

The KRASNOPOL/KRASNOPOL-M uses a semi-active laser guidance system during the latter part of its trajectory. Once a target has been detected by a forward observer, the target information coordinates are transmitted to the battery command post. The gun barrel angle and elevation data are transmitted to the gun position and the forward observer is alerted. The projectile is then fired and the initial part of the trajectory is carried out using a normal ballistic trajectory. As the projectile approaches the target, the forward observer illuminates the target using a tripod-mounted 1D22 Laser Target Designator - Range finder. The designation range for tank-type targets is 7,000 m. Following a mid-trajectory period controlled by inertial navigation, the seeker in the nose of the projectile locks onto the illuminated target and the projectile guidance system makes the necessary flight corrections to guide the projectile towards the target. Shortly before impact, the projectile makes a top attack on the target's upper armour, at an angle between +35 ° and +45 °. The nose-mounted seeker has a footprint of about 1,000 m. Use of the guided projectile reduced ammunition expenditure by 10 ... 15 times, mission accomplishment time is reduced by 3 .. 4 times.


Basic Characteristics


KRASNOPOL KRASNOPOL-M
Calibre, mm 152 155
Weight, kg:
complete projectile 50 43
warhead 20.5 20
explosive 6.5 6
Length, m 1.3 0.955
Range, m 3,000 ... 22,000 17,000
Laser designator range (tank type targets), m 7,000 7,000
Operating temperature range, °C -40 ... +50 -40 ... +50
Hit probability 0.9 0.9
Firing systems MSTA-S(2319), D20,
2S3M M109, G6,
etc.(MSTA-SE-155)



SANTIMETR, SANTIMETR-B, SANTIMETR-C Laser-Guided Artillery System with Projectile's Trajectory Correction
Laser guided HE-FRAG 152mm munitions. S-B is adapted to be fired from 155mm weapons, S-C from 160mm mortars. $40,000/$45,000*
http://www.rusarm.ru/Images/SANTIMETR.JPG
The SANTIMETR Laser-Guided Artillery System is designed for destruction with 1 - 3 shots of the following targets: stationary and moving armoured vehicles, firing points, control and communication posts, defence installations in fortified areas, bridges, crossings, floating facilities, etc.

The system employs the unique Concept of Impulse Correction for Smart Weapons to ensure automatic guidance of 1 ... 6 shells to the laser illuminated target at the terminal leg of the ballistic trajectory in 1... 3 sec.

The SANTIMETR system is serviced by permanent crew of artillery unit armed with 152 mm systems. It can be adapted to 155 mm howitzers and 160 mm mortars. The 30F38 HE Frag Guided Projectile used in the SANTIMETR system does not require inspection and maintenance support while in storage and operation.



Basic Characteristics:


Type of guidance system laser, semi-active homing
Firing range, km 0.5 ... 18.0
Laser target designation range, km 0.3 ... 7.0
Number of projectiles required to kill target 1 ... 3
Time of homing guidance, s 0.5 ... 3.0
Time of target illumination by laser, s 3.0
Types of 152 mm artillery systems to be used: D20 Gun-Howitzer, 2S19
2S3, 2S5 Self-propelled Guns
Weight of 1D22 laser target designator/range finder, kg 45
Weight of 1A35K synchronizer unit, kg 4.3
Weight of 1A35I synchronizer unit, kg 1.5


30F38 HE Frag Guided Projectile


Calibre, mm 152
Weight, kg 49.5
Length, mm 1,195
Warhead TNT equivalent, kg 8.5
Trajectory correction system pulse type
Kihameria
27-10-2003, 22:04
We at Kihameria would like to purchase some equipment,here is our order:
152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzer x 10= 50 mil.
152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer x 100 = 200 mil.
total:250 million american dollars,we will wire the money upon conformation.
27-10-2003, 22:07
We at Kihameria would like to purchase some equipment,here is our order:
152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzer x 10= 50 mil.
152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer x 100 = 200 mil.
total:250 million american dollars,we will wire the money upon conformation.
Purchase confirmed.
Kihameria
27-10-2003, 22:10
Ok,we are starting the wire transfer now.~wire transfer starts~



*a conformation noise is heard a few minutes later letting evreyone know the wire transfer is complete* ok our buisness is done when can we expect the weapons ?
27-10-2003, 22:17
Ok,we are starting the wire transfer now.~wire transfer starts~



*a conformation noise is heard a few minutes later letting evreyone know the wire transfer is complete* ok our buisness is done when can we expect the weapons ?A couple hours RL time.
Argyres
27-10-2003, 22:23
The Argyri Ministry of Defense would like to purchase 200 MTSA-S howitzers. Money will be automatically wired upon confirmation of the order.

Andres Parthos
Argyri Minister of Defense
27-10-2003, 22:40
The Argyri Ministry of Defense would like to purchase 200 MTSA-S howitzers. Money will be automatically wired upon confirmation of the order.

Andres Parthos
Argyri Minister of Defense
Confirmed.
Bayorta
27-10-2003, 23:14
Bayorta would like to purchase the following:

20,000 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer

4,000 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzer

We are most impressed with your equipment

60,000,000,000 USD will be wired upon confirmation...

Regards,
Geoff Hoon,
Secretary of defence,
Ministry of Defence

http://www.mod.uk/img/sdr_new_chapter/sofs_hoon.jpg
27-10-2003, 23:16
Confirmed, thank you for the large order.
Bayorta
27-10-2003, 23:20
Confirmed, thank you for the large order.

Ok, money wired.

(OOC: I have needed a good replacement for my current artillery for ages! This just hit the spot :))
27-10-2003, 23:22
Bayorta would like to purchase the following:

20,000 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer

4,000 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzer

We are most impressed with your equipment

60,000,000,000 USD will be wired upon confirmation...

Regards,
Geoff Hoon,
Secretary of defence,
Ministry of Defence

http://www.mod.uk/img/sdr_new_chapter/sofs_hoon.jpg

I know this is supposed to be IC, but wouldn't it be minister of defence, not secratary of defence if he's from a ministry?
27-10-2003, 23:23
9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket Systemx10 please
*Money wired upon confirmation fo order*
27-10-2003, 23:25
9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket Systemx10 please
*Money wired upon confirmation fo order*
Confirmed
27-10-2003, 23:29
We would like to purchase 15,000 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzers and 8,000 Upgraded GRAD MLRS's.
Money will be wired upon confirmation.

Sincerely,
The Granpaisi Military
Bayorta
27-10-2003, 23:30
I know this is supposed to be IC, but wouldn't it be minister of defence, not secratary of defence if he's from a ministry?

... Well umm not really. Just look at how the MOD works. Hoon is the Secretary of State for Defence...
27-10-2003, 23:30
Bayorta
27-10-2003, 23:31
27-10-2003, 23:33
The Exetonian Government would like to purchase the following:

100 x Upgraded GRAD MLRS - 75mil
10 x 9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket System - 75 mil
100 x 120mm NONA-SVK Self-Propelled Gun/Mortar System - 100mil

*Total of 250mil will be auto wired on confirmation*
27-10-2003, 23:34
I know this is supposed to be IC, but wouldn't it be minister of defence, not secratary of defence if he's from a ministry?

... Well umm not really. Just look at how the MOD works. Hoon is the Secretary of State for Defence...

w/e
27-10-2003, 23:39
We would like to purchase 15,000 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzers and 8,000 Upgraded GRAD MLRS's.
Money will be wired upon confirmation.

Sincerely,
The Granpaisi Military
Purchase confirmed, thank you for the large size.
27-10-2003, 23:40
The Exetonian Government would like to purchase the following:

100 x Upgraded GRAD MLRS - 75mil
10 x 9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket System - 75 mil
100 x 120mm NONA-SVK Self-Propelled Gun/Mortar System - 100mil

*Total of 250mil will be auto wired on confirmation*
Purchase confirmed.
28-10-2003, 01:05
bump
Kihameria
28-10-2003, 01:45
We at Kihameria are pleased with our purchase of equipment and would like to order more:Gaz-3937 Mortar Carrier x100=20,000,000 $ US,we will wire the money upon conformation.
28-10-2003, 02:03
Confirmed
Kihameria
28-10-2003, 02:19
Ok,we will begin wireing the money now. ~wire transfer begins~







~wire transfer ends 100% done ~ very well,our busnies is done for now.
Bayorta
28-10-2003, 04:11
DT I would like to buy production rights for the 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzers. How much will it cost if you are selling?
28-10-2003, 04:12
GRAD MRLS x800 = 600,000,000 USD = 187,500,000 Gil. Payment will be wired upon confirmation of order
28-10-2003, 04:20
Bayorta- $300 mil
OT-confirmed
imported_Everonia
28-10-2003, 05:05
No offence, but I find the pricing for the 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer quite high. They cost about $60,000 USD to make IRL.

Perhaps some kind of price reduction, and Everonia will become a happy new owner of 100 towed Howitzers...
28-10-2003, 13:34
No offence, but I find the pricing for the 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer quite high. They cost about $60,000 USD to make IRL.

Perhaps some kind of price reduction, and Everonia will become a happy new owner of 100 towed Howitzers...
Source maybe?

Altohugh they may be overpriced a bit..
28-10-2003, 13:44
Purchase:
25 Upgraded Gaz-3937 Mortar Carrier - Estimate Price - $5,000,000

It's not much now but I'll return to buy more..
28-10-2003, 13:45
Purchase:
25 Upgraded Gaz-3937 Mortar Carrier - Estimate Price - $5,000,000

It's not much now but I'll return to buy more..
Purchase confirmed.
28-10-2003, 14:04
The Rouge Nation of Nauac would like to purchase:

2x 9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket System = $15M
8x Upgraded GRAD MLRS = $6M

Total= $21000000

Thank You, moneys wired upon confirmation
28-10-2003, 14:28
*wires money*
Jeruselem
28-10-2003, 15:08
We'll order 10 x 9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket System

* 75 million wired *
28-10-2003, 19:54
All confirmed.
28-10-2003, 20:00
The CDH (Chancellory of the Dominion of Handschar) wishes to aquire 100 of your product Gaz-3937 120mm Mortar Carrier.

$20,000,000 wired immediately.
28-10-2003, 20:05
Purchase confirmed, they're being sent.
CoreWorlds
28-10-2003, 20:18
The republic of Coreworlds wish to purchase the following:
20 of both kinds of howitzers; $140 million
20 NONA mortars; $20 million
20 Mortar carriers; $60 million
10 MRLS systems; $75 million
and 100 GRAD MRLS; $75 million
for a grand total of $370 million to be wired upon confirmation.

Also, how much are production rights to the ordinance? I'll buy them tomarrow.
28-10-2003, 20:20
Confirmed, Ill sell prod rights to the ordinance for $30 mil each.
CoreWorlds
28-10-2003, 21:09
On second thought, I'll buy the rights now. $60 million wired upon confirm.
Imperial Guardsmen
28-10-2003, 21:14
Emperor Bob wishes to buy 12 152mm towed artillery pieces.

http://www.msu.edu/~glazered/images/bannana.jpg
Emperor Bob and his faithful Banana phone
28-10-2003, 21:20
Confirmed.
28-10-2003, 23:15
Bayorta- $300 mil
OT-confirmed

We would like to buy the manufacturing rights as well, and if they are granted to me we promise not to sell thm again in any way, shape, or form.

Sincerely,
Francis Maycomb,
Minister of Trade
28-10-2003, 23:15
Bayorta- $300 mil
OT-confirmed

We would like to buy the manufacturing rights as well, and if they are granted to me we promise not to sell thm again in any way, shape, or form.

Sincerely,
Francis Maycomb,
Minister of Trade
28-10-2003, 23:15
Bayorta- $300 mil
OT-confirmed

We would like to buy the manufacturing rights as well, and if they are granted to me we promise not to sell thm again in any way, shape, or form.

Sincerely,
Francis Maycomb,
Minister of Trade
Omz222
29-10-2003, 01:47
Omz222
29-10-2003, 01:53
200,000x KRASNOPOL-M
200,000x SANTIMETR-B
29-10-2003, 02:03
200,000x KRASNOPOL-M
200,000x SANTIMETR-B
Confirmed, as has been Granpais' order.

NOTE: New policy is not to sell prod rights for AFV's, warships, submarines, planes, or helicopters except to regular customers. prod rights for munitions will still be sold.
Omz222
29-10-2003, 02:05
200,000x KRASNOPOL-M
200,000x SANTIMETR-B
Confirmed, as has been Granpais' order.

NOTE: New policy is not to sell prod rights for AFV's, warships, submarines, planes, or helicopters except to regular customers. prod rights for munitions will still be sold.
Money wired.

New policy understood.
imported_Everonia
29-10-2003, 04:02
No offence, but I find the pricing for the 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer quite high. They cost about $60,000 USD to make IRL.

Perhaps some kind of price reduction, and Everonia will become a happy new owner of 100 towed Howitzers...
Source maybe?

Altohugh they may be overpriced a bit..

Although I am too lazy to ask my russian friends (Yes I do have some). Look at it this way:

A M1A2 fresh off the General Dynamics factory lot costs the government $5 Million USD (Janes Defence).

You are asking $1 million for one unit, although it is far less capable. It has no turbine engine, no suspension, no fire control computer, no means of movement, all it is is a big gun on wheels. It is far less technically advanced than something that would cost $1 million.

I have no problem with you making a profit, but sometimes a 1000% profit isn't so fair to the little guy (me).

Just my thoughts on the subject, you can keep it as you want, but I believe if you lower the price you will get more customers, I also have this thing about keeping things as close to real life as possible. (I don't like 2 day old nations buying intergalactic starships with uber warp cannons... :roll: )
29-10-2003, 04:10
200,000x KRASNOPOL-M
200,000x SANTIMETR-B
Confirmed, as has been Granpais' order.

NOTE: New policy is not to sell prod rights for AFV's, warships, submarines, planes, or helicopters except to regular customers. prod rights for munitions will still be sold.
Money wired.

New policy understood.
Youre a regular customer, of course.

Exrtonia- I AM russian, thankyou very much. I also cant see it bein sold for $60,000.
imported_Everonia
29-10-2003, 04:23
I am not asking for 60,000 dollars. I am asking for 300,000-650,000 dollar range. I don't want this to become a flame war, so I will stop posting here now, I can find others with artillery for sale.
29-10-2003, 04:25
I am not asking for 60,000 dollars. I am asking for 300,000-650,000 dollar range. I don't want this to become a flame war, so I will stop posting here now, I can find others with artillery for sale.
I dont flame.


Most on sale are in the same price range, a few hundred thousand USD is still underpriced IMO.



Maybe Ill research it tommorow if I get bored..
imported_Everonia
29-10-2003, 04:31
^^ Good luck with that, I have found it very hard sofar to find any info on armour/artillery costs. The Nation of Everonia would like to purchese 12 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzers. Money wired on confermation :D
29-10-2003, 13:36
^^ Good luck with that, I have found it very hard sofar to find any info on armour/artillery costs. The Nation of Everonia would like to purchese 12 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzers. Money wired on confermation :D
Confirmed.

Ill probably find how much an American howitzer costs, and take it down a bit seeing Russian equipment is generally cheaper.
Kraytia
29-10-2003, 14:02
4000x 9K58 SMERCH-M, please.
29-10-2003, 17:51
Confirmed.
30-10-2003, 03:08
we'll take 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzers for $250,000,000. money will be wired upon confirmation. thanks.
30-10-2003, 03:13
The Allied States of Zossen places an order for 10,000 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzers. Money will be wired upon confirmation.

OOC: any special deal for allies?
Argyres
30-10-2003, 03:38
We will take 150 NONA-SVK Mortars...money will be automatically wired upon confirmation of the order.

Andreas Parthos
Minister of Defense
Kraytia
30-10-2003, 17:11
Money wired for SMERCHs, but I would like to buy prod rights for their ammunition.
Weemon0
30-10-2003, 18:51
I would like to purchase 50 of each please:

Money shall be wired upon confirmation of order
30-10-2003, 20:55
All confirmed.
Zossen- You get the TGP price
Kraytia- That costs $10 mil
Maxamillion
30-10-2003, 21:50
I would like 500 152mm ASTA-Ss

25,000,000,000 wired upon confirmation
Maxamillion
30-10-2003, 21:53
BUMP
Maxamillion
30-10-2003, 21:54
BUMP
30-10-2003, 22:17
I would like 500 152mm ASTA-Ss

25,000,000,000 wired upon confirmation
Confirmed.
31-10-2003, 07:11
Very nice. I'll take 100 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzers for $400,000,000. Money wired. Vielen dank.

- Teutonland -
Kraytia
31-10-2003, 09:21
*Wires money*
31-10-2003, 12:21
i want one 152mm MSTA-S self defense- propelled Howitzer
the money will be wired uopon confrimation
31-10-2003, 13:31
All confirmed.
31-10-2003, 22:51
bump
Bonstock
03-11-2003, 07:36
---As Maropian Coast---

The Free Bonstocknian Forces wish to purchase 250,000 of the 120mm NONA-SVK Self Proppelled gun/mortar system.
03-11-2003, 13:43
152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzers:

50 at $5 Million each= $250 Million

~Money wired upon confirmation~
03-11-2003, 21:03
Maropian- 250,000?!

Aramar-confirmed.
03-11-2003, 21:21
For it's expanding military, Exetoinia would like the following equpiment:

200 x 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzer - 1bil
1,000 x 120mm NONA-SVK Self-Propelled Gun/Mortar System - 1bil
5,000 xUpgraded GRAD MLRS - 3.25 bil
500 x 9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket System - 3.25 bil
5,000 x Gaz-3937 Mortar Carrier - 1bil
total - 9.5 bil, *auto wired on confirmation*
03-11-2003, 21:49
We would like to place an order for 40 9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket Systems, and 50 self-propelled howitzers. We are self-sufficient with our military, although some of the generals would like a few variants of these kinds of vehicles.

--money will be wired upon confirmation--
03-11-2003, 21:51
Both confirmed.
Bonstock
04-11-2003, 18:32
Maropian- 250,000?!


Cost: 250 billion USD... which you owe me... its "giving the money you stole back."

*realizes its hopeless, and vows to get revenge for 5 million Bonstocknians killed by Dark Terror in a different fashion*
04-11-2003, 20:08
Bring it.
The Arctic Tundra
04-11-2003, 22:48
"As authorized by Congress, The Incorporated States of The Arctic Tundra would like to request 20 self-propelled howitzers and 20 towed howitzers. This is a total of 110 million credits. Money will be automatically wired upon confirmation of our order."

Pres. Pavel Andreievich Chekov
ISTAT
04-11-2003, 22:57
Confirmed.
05-11-2003, 21:50
bump
12-11-2003, 00:50
4000 Towed Howitzers 6 billion USD
1000 Self-propelled Howitzers 5 billion USD
1000 Self-propelled Mortars 1 billion USD
12-11-2003, 01:16
I'd like-

200 - 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzers

50 - 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzers

180 - Upgraded GRAD MLRS

My grandtotal should be 685 million

*money wired*
12-11-2003, 01:30
Tokarev- where do you get this money?
Bigmen- confirmed.
Lord Edward
12-11-2003, 01:36
1,000 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer @ $1.5M
500 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzer @ $5M
500 9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket System @ $7.5M
Total: $7,750,000,000 *wired*

OOC: DT I do need some more modern :)

Btw could you package up some nice modern tech stuff and give me a price? I am so used to future tech that I all but abandoned the good ol M-16. Thanks even if you don't feel like it :)
12-11-2003, 02:20
Confirmed.
OOC:
We dont use M-16's, but we have far better things (albeit almost 3 times more expensive). Tell me what you want and I'll do my best.
12-11-2003, 06:13
My total was 12 billion USD, I have nearly 40 billion USD of my budget set aside for military expenses alone (or 15% of my national budget). If you think 15% is a little too high, I will gladly lower it but these purchases are almost certainly within my price limit.
Haukka
12-11-2003, 07:02
Empire of Haukka orders
100 fo 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzer
12-11-2003, 13:33
Most of your 15% goes to salaries, maintenance, etc.
Haukka- confirmed.
12-11-2003, 13:46
:) The Grand Duchy ot the Manchestershire would wish to purshase 5 MLRS, 40 152mm SP Howitzers please!name ur price!the best uve got really
:)
Baillie
12-11-2003, 13:58
The Kingdom of Baillie would like to purchase 100 Gaz-3937 Mortar Carriers. 20,000,000 U.S. dollars will be wired automatically when confirmation of the order is received.


King Christopher of Baillie
12-11-2003, 14:18
100 x Upgraded GRAD MLRS - 75mil
10 x 9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket System - 75 mil
100 x 120mm NONA-SVK Self-Propelled Gun/Mortar System - 100mil

*Total of 250mil will be auto wired on confirmation*
12-11-2003, 14:49
Hello dark terror. We meet again.

50 - 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer for 50 million will do well
How much is ammo, I need around 50,000 HE shells??

Do you have trucks capable to towing these guns as well as troops?? If yes put me down for a 150 of these viecles.

Also I would like to discuss the possability of upgrading my J-22 fleet with GE engines, radars, IR sensors, jammers, and laser pods.

Once again thank you for you past generocity.

If we have a deal, please message me. I have a proposal for a somewhat permanant weopons parthenship between our two nations.
12-11-2003, 14:55
152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer
A towed weapon of 152mm caliber capable of firing guided munitions. $1.5 mil/$1 mil*


Efficient destruction of various targets in tactical depth:


tactical nuclear attack means;
unsheltered/sheltered manpower;
command posts, air defence and electronic facilities;
bunkers and pillboxes;
artillery means, armoured vehicles, MBTs.


Distinctive features:



delivering both indirect fire using panoramic sight, and direct fire using optical or panoramic sight;

the separate-case rounds with high-explosive projectiles used for firing;

the loading mechanism to ensure easy and rapid projectile loading;

the prime mover options for towing are the URAL-4320 Wheeled Truck, or MTLB Multipurpose Light-Armoured Tracked Vehicle;

transportation of ammunition load by the prime mover.


Composition:


cradle, recoil systems, and loading mechanism;
sliding mount, guidance mechanism, balancing system;
bottom carriage, trails, jack, and electrical equipment;
running gear;
sighting devices with illumination means;
SPTAs (single, group, and repair).


Basic Characteristics


Combat weight, kg 7,000
Crew, persons 6
Maximum range of fire with He-Frag projectile, km 24,7
Maximum rate of fire, rds/min 8
Angles of sight, deg:
in traverse ±28
in elevation -3.5...+70
Maximum towing speed, km/h
paved roads 80
cross-country 20
Time of deployment from travelling to firing position, min 2.0 ... 2.5

The people's republic or owosso would like 500 of these to defense
12-11-2003, 20:41
All confirmed, we sell trucks for $25,000 each.
12-11-2003, 20:50
Ok put me down for 100 trucks.

Now how much are the HE shells? Will be able to provide me with the engines, radars, IR, laser ect.. that are needed?
12-11-2003, 20:53
Those arent needed, you can build the shells yourself.
12-11-2003, 20:57
Ok thats good, so what tonnage trucks are they? Now how bout the plane parts?? I am willing to dish out good money for this.
12-11-2003, 21:00
Some ural trucks, tell me what tonnage you need and Ill supply it. We can send you spare parts as well.
12-11-2003, 21:01
5 ton will be good.
12-11-2003, 21:04
K. Consider they being sent.
13-11-2003, 06:37
Well, not that my economy is all-consuming and my national budget was nearly doubled, will you confirm my order?
13-11-2003, 20:08
The Republic of Evopia would like to purchuse 100 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzer(s)


Total:500,000,000

Money Wired Upon Confirmation
13-11-2003, 21:05
Both confirmed now.
Largent
13-11-2003, 22:20
ill take
1000 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzer
1000 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer

*6.5 billion wired*
13-11-2003, 22:43
Confirmed.
30-11-2003, 00:30
100 - 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzer = 300 million
30-11-2003, 00:36
Confirmed.
30-11-2003, 00:42
i will take 20 of the of the portable mortars on trucks.

money will be wired on confirmation.
oh and can you provide these weapons as fast as possible i am in dire need of weapons(war).
30-11-2003, 00:42
i will take 20 of the of the portable mortars on trucks.

money will be wired on confirmation.
oh and can you provide these weapons as fast as possible i am in dire need of weapons(war).
30-11-2003, 03:43
K, theyre being sent by plane.
02-01-2004, 05:24
40 x 9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket System
50 x 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzer
02-01-2004, 05:47
Lorai would like to purchase:

100 152mm MSTA-B Towed Howitzer - $150,000,000
20 9K58 SMERCH-M Multiple Launch Rocket System - $150,000,000
10,000 152mm SANTIMETR Laser-Guided Artillery System with Projectile's Trajectory Correction Ammunition- $4,000,000

Total - $304,000,000

Half wired upon confirmation, Half upon delivery.
Thank you, great store!
02-01-2004, 05:49
Both confirmed.
02-01-2004, 06:26
We'd like to purchase 144 152mm MSTA-S Self-propelled Howitzers, coming to a total of 720,000,000.

Money will be wired upon delivery.

Edit: Sorry, forgot to ask, how much for production rights of both your rounds?
02-01-2004, 06:34
Confirmed, prod rights to both are $75 mil.
02-01-2004, 06:42
Fair price, we'll take them.
02-01-2004, 06:44
Fair price, we'll take them.
Also confirmed.
Credonia
02-01-2004, 06:45
tag
Lunatic Retard Robots
04-01-2004, 04:41
LRR (modern tech) will purchase:

50 152mm towed howitzers
25 Nona mortars
25 Smerch MLRSs

*Money Wired*
04-01-2004, 04:43
Confirmed.