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In order to reduce its dependence on foreign sources of military equipment, the Automite Navy hereby requests a contractor to design two very large new ships: a battleship and a trimaran aircraft carrier/battleship/troop transport combo (as I said, very large). The government in Autopolis is willing to pay up to $25 billion to the winning contractor.

OOC: I'd like pictures of what you come up with, along with stats and individual construction costs for each warship. These will be used for judging.

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Antarctica123 has produced several unique classes of ships including a modified nimitz carrier, 2 super battleships, 2 submarines, a stealth destroyer, and a catamaran patrol boat. We would like to make an entry. All I need are the minmum requirements for the vessel (must hold x number of troops, x number of planes, must have at least x large guns etc) and what the mission roles would be (ASW, surface bombardment, or whatever)

How about this

http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/coolkit/graphics/trimaran/carrier.jpeg

The Bismarck:

http://rasputin.physics.uiuc.edu/~wiringa/Ships/Period3/Germany/Battleships/pix/Bismarck.jpg

Forca Aeria Brasileira:
That is a picture of our carrier:
http://www.freewebs.com/bluebomber/storefrontnaval.htm

Copyrighted here:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40509&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=460

Retract your offer and discontinue using that picture or we will be forced to proceed with legal actions.



AutoMastan:
You can buy our version, but it is more of a nimitz on steroids. It does have some powerful guns though......

My AC Carriers follow the theory that it is better to buy several smaller, faster, and capable carriers over a single large AC carrier with limited range and intervention capabilities. These aircraft carriers use the Trimaran hull form that has made GINY a famous warship producer. These hull forms allow for greater speeds and survivability in warships. Details and system info below.

General info:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=412238#412238
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'Standard'-type (Jonathan Netanyahu-Class) Trimaran Aircraft Carrier:
Standard Capacity:
50- Fixed-wing Aircraft
15- Rotary-wing Aircraft (medium size)^
25- UCAVs (Full-sized, approaching size of manned aircraft. Units are stowed until use, not all expected to return from any mission)
12- UAVs/UARs (Small craft. For spotting and scouting, not all expected to return from any mission)

Unit cost is a fixed $3.6bn.

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'Light'-type (Ehud Barak-Class) Trimaran Aircraft Carrier:

Standard Capacity:
30- Fixed-wing Aircraft
12- Rotary-wing Aircraft (medium size)^
15- UCAVs (Full-sized, approaching size of manned aircraft. Units are stowed until use, not all expected to return from any mission)
8- UAVs/UARs (Small craft. For spotting and scouting, not all expected to return from any mission)

Unit cost is a fixed $2.8bn.

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NOTE: Aircraft sold separately. ‘Standard Capacity’ is a recording of the most common deployment by numbers and classifications, reflects a balanced multi-mission capable force. Actual deployment figures will vary.
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^- For type classification information (and small and large craft general models), see the linked post:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1162726#1162726

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Each of these vessels have the following:
Has 3 elevators* (2 for the light model) and a stealthy, low-slung design. These carriers use virtual and telepresence technology to eliminate the large "island" on the deck of the carrier, which is replaced by a squat, radar deflecting station about 2 stories tall as with the other designs, and to allow for better command and control of crew. Raised (with portions retractable) "radar shields" will prevent the activity on the ship's deck from reflecting radar signals towards receiver stations.**

Has 1 ramped launch lane (for VSTOL and high-lift aircraft(STOL) such as X-47 Pegasus UCAVs) and 2 "standard" launch lanes (for other planes and non-combat planes). The catapults use the EMALS (Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System), which cuts down on the 'down time' between aircraft launches.

Armaments:
Mixed-use Offensive/Defensive Systems
1- Ship-based MTHEL II system (WA advanced version, extended range, improved ID and tracking ability (based on Counter-battery radar, to assist in return fire from the fleet), and improved operating system)
6(4 on light)- Sea Sparrow integrated missile pods (48(32)missiles)
6- MDG-351 35mm "Millennium Gun" stations (advanced CIWS, mounted atop and within sections of the LASRB)
4 (2 on light)- Mk.32 Integrated Triple-mount SVTT (surface vessel torpedo tubes, total of 12 (6) torpedo tubes.)

Defensive Systems:

Large Area Surface Radar Baffling (LASRB, the "Radar Shield," actually a part of the ship shell, which extends down to the water at an angle that is intended to deflect signals either up into the sky or down into the water.)
Large-spread EW/ECM station (placed at ends to provide fleet/task force-wide EW/ECM coverage. Based on the AN/SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare (EW) system)
PCMS (Passive Counter Measures System. Uses Radar Absorbent Materials (RAM) and other specialized materials.)
Degaussing (MCM) systems
MK-53 Nulka Decoy Launching System (DLS)
Machine Noise Reducing Measures (Torpedo Counter Measures)
Prairie/Masker II Noise Masking System
Dragged Torpedo Decoys
Several Wide-Area Navalized "Shortstop" Electronic Protection System (WANSEPS) (a proximity fuse electronic countermeasure system that prematurely detonates artillery shells and other fuses at a safe distance from the target)
Barak Point Defense Missile System (a mini-VLS S2A anti-missile system)


There are also 2 'empty' integrated missile stations that can be used to launch box or rail-launched missiles of various sorts. These stations can be used for a variety of uses as the purchaser sees fit.

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Notes:
*- The elevators are not the 'normal' aircraft elevators. To avoid problems with the radar baffling ("radar shields"), the elevators are large rectangular lift structures placed centrally towards the rear of the ship and they're adjacent so that a large number of aircraft can be rapidly lifted at once and then rapidly deployed.

**-Sea Sparrow and other missile pods are integrated (hidden) in motile panels of the "radar shield," so when a missile is required to fire, the panel is simply dropped out of the way and the missile(s) are fired towards the targets, torpedo tubes are also included in the baffles. Also included in these panels are and Active Phased Array/Multi-Function Radar (APAR/MFR) hidden in panels and countermeasures equipment.

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The ‘Standard’ carrier has a TOTAL crew (Ship’s Crew plus Airwing and Aircrew) of approx. 3,500 and the Light has a crew of about 3,100. This vastly reduced crew (in comparison to other ships) has been made possible by the extensive use of automated systems. These automated systems include facilities for moving munitions and vital equipment, usually used to allow small management crews move large loads. Also included in automation are several of the engine components. To enhance the ship’s ability to operate in damaged conditions (Fight Hurt), these systems can also be manually operated in most cases.

The cruise speed is over 38 knots (48+kts top speed) for both ships (they use high-power nuclear reactors for their electric-powered waterjet and screw engines) and the average cruising speed is about 35 knots. The ships are about average length for their class but the ship is wide enough to place the three, wide launch lanes across the bredth of the foredeck (one bearing a 'ski-jump' ramp for special aircraft launches). Also, the ship has a visible height of about 1/2-3/4 that of the Nimitz-class, which helps avoid visual detection when sneaking up on enemy shores (and reduces RCS-reduction costs).

Special Features:
Integrated Information System
Supports the transfer and integration of voice, video and data information between audio, video and computer systems. Key features will include common and standard operating systems, network functions, communication protocols, interfaces and message structure.

Fiber-Optic Backbone
Single, integrated, commercial and military standard compliant physical grid supporting communications between systems/equipment via fiber-optic cables and electric-to-optic conversion devices. Key feature is providing end-to-end connections using ruggedized commercial off-the-shelf components. The ship-wide fiber-optic data relay system is resistant to EMP attacks and the fiber-optic cables themselves will not carry or receive EMI-causing signals.

Zonal Electric Distribution System
Open system architecture DC electrical distribution with standard interfaces between components. Power conversion and conditioning are performed locally from a single ship-wide DC electrical power bus to provide each end user the type/quality of power required. DC power allows for solid state control, which achieves power continuity in case of a fault and provides for near-instantaneous recovery from power interruptions. In addition to the survivability benefits inherent in uninterrupted power, this system is anticipated to be easier to install, require less physical cabling and provide greater flexibility for ship upgrades than current electrical systems. Isolates the potential for problems and minimizes any effect on the rest of the ship.

Multifunctional Embedded Antennas
Reconfigurable, multiple apertures electronically combined to provide an antenna tunable across wide frequency bandwidth and sensitivity parameters. The apertures are embedded in composite materials integral to the ship structure and may include combined or separate transmit and receive modules. Reduction of the number of antenna systems for communications and radars provides potential to improve performance by avoiding antenna blockages, reducing the structure required to support antenna placement, life-cycle costs and maintenance manpower requirements.

Modified Island Structure
The island’s configuration, function and materials are designed to satisfy aircraft support functions while minimizing its impact on ship control and flight deck operations. Benefits are reduced air disturbances caused on the flight deck by the island, more efficient flight deck arrangements, and reduced radar and infrared signature characteristics. This configuration improves flight deck access and reduces electronic self-interference.

Alternative Energy Catapults
Electromagnetic Catapults: A launch-assist mechanism, which will propel the aircraft to takeoff velocity using a traveling electromagnetic wave produced by a linear motor. When compared to current steam driven catapults, the EMALS (Electro-Magnetic Air Launch System) will provide the following benefits:
Independence from the ship’s propulsion plant;
A 50-percent reduction in system weight;
A 65-percent reduction in system volume;
An increase in energy capacity with a highly controllable acceleration and deceleration profile;
An increase in reliability and availability;
A 30-percent decrease in manpower required. This technology is similar to that used to propel high-speed "bullet" trains in some countries. By the use of this more efficient, more controllable system, maintenance costs for the airframes of carrier-launched aircraft can be reduced as the EMALS system can adjust independently and automatically for the launch of each aircraft (So that a JSF will receive the push that it needs, not the push that an F/A-18 needs). This reduced wear also reduces costs and manpower requirements while releasing valuable space that would otherwise be set aside for materials to address these damages.

Ski Jumps
An upward-sloped ramp at the forward end of a section of the flight deck provides aircraft with a more optimum flyaway angle. This translates into benefits such as reduced takeoff velocity, increased payload capacity and reduced wind-over-deck requirements.

Passive Jet Blast Deflector
Redesigns and new materials mean reduced maintenance costs and time. The system affords increased safety for deck crews.

Automated Weapon Selection and Movement
Integrated family of procedures, magazine design, weapons elevators, passageway layout, information management systems, decision aids and reduced manpower ordnance-handling equipment to increase weapons’ throughput, increase sortie generation rates and minimize risks associated with ordnance handling and stowage. Material movement devices, semi-autonomous, gravity compensated weapons handling devices, damage control automation systems and components help reduce the ship's crew and costs.

Computerized and Automated Aircraft Diagnostics and Repair
Semi-automated refueling and servicing in a new configuration and deck location (versus other and older aircraft carriers) provides faster, more efficient airwing pit stops and requires fewer people. This helps reduce the maintenance time and allows for an increased sortie rate. Computerized scanners search for structural weakness in parts, allowing aircrews to replace only the damaged portions when necessary, cutting costs and reducing inventory demands.

Improved Hanger Bay Organization
The designs reduces the clutter observed in other vessels while also providing the facilities necessary for the storage, retrieval, and deployment of aircraft of all sorts.

Reconfigurable Living Spaces
Life-of-the-ship modular construction designs provide flexibility and reduce cost.

Expanded Bandwidth
More onboard and off-board capability gives the ship a communications edge. Both in combat and while on peaceful deployments.

Advanced Systems for Flight Operations Management
Family of information management and decision aids to facilitate mission planning, aircraft control, aircraft/pilot information upload and download, aircraft turnaround and aircraft launch and recovery. May include a family of high performance, integrated aviation work centers along with several pit stop-type aircraft servicing stations strategically positioned about the ship. Benefits include:
Improved aviation safety;
Significant manning reduction;
Increased sortie generation rate;
Flight deck optimization;
Reduced aircraft support equipment;
More efficient maintenance and built-in servicing and support flexibility for follow-on generations of aircraft.

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There are currently no aircraft included, but EW aircraft (Prowler and Growler) as well as F/A-18IEs and F/A-18IFs are sold by me in the fixed-wing category.

Forca Aeria Brasileira:
That is a picture of our carrier:
http://www.freewebs.com/bluebomber/storefrontnaval.htm

Copyrighted here:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40509&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=460

Retract your offer and discontinue using that picture or we will be forced to proceed with legal actions.


OOC: Unless he calls it the Lynx class, you've got no sway (same image means little).

BTW, Since Cam doesn't ever bother researching issues before handing out copyrights like candy, his claims have little sway.

Wow, you've all got some nice designs. Antarctica123, any pictures/stats of those super battleships? That might be the winner for the battleship I need. As for the trimaran super-ship, what I'm thinking of is an Iowa/Nimitz combo on steroids. I'd like it to hold up to 500 troops, 50 V/STOL aircraft, 20 helicopters, 12 16-inch deck guns on rotating turrets, 20 smaller guns (maybe 155mm) and 50 Tomahawk launch tubes. Hopefully this isn't a godmod...

the Untouchable class battleship or fleet defender at:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85505

Automite design specialists have produced the following diagram to explain what the government is looking for in the trimaran super-ship:
http://woodb3kmaster.50megs.com/new_trimaran.gif

We can get started on designing the carrier immediatly.

Here are the 2 super battleships i sell.


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Norad Class Super Battleship
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=19f546bb-4fd6-4ac5-5d4f-59e13be11096&size=
Propulsion:
(4) (really small) Nuclear Reactors
(6) Diesel Electric Generators
(2) Hydrogen Fuel Cells and Batteries powering bow thrusters
Armament
(2) 8 inch rapid fire cannons mounted in 2 Single turrets
(15) 20 inch "coilguns" mounted in 5 Triple turrets
(6) 30mm vulcan CIWS Phalanx guns (1 per turret)
(2) 25mm manualy targeted chaingun cannons
(7) 20mm vulcan CIWS Phalanx guns (1 per turret)
(7) FIM-92X Stinger quad launchers (28 total) mounted on 7 CIWSs
(2) MK 87 Vertical Launching Systems (14 Cells each) (SM-2 SAMs, Harpoons,Exocets, or Tomhawks)
(2) ABM Launchers Anti-Ballistic missles
(4) THEL (Tactical High Energy Laser) Anti cruise missle systems.
(8} 40mm Bofors Anti-Aircraft gun with fragmenting shells mounted in 4 Dual Turrets. (also anti-missle)
(5) Foward Firing Harpoon Anti-ship Missile Quad Turrets (20 missles total)
(1) 72 Cell SLBM/Hatchet Cruise Missle Launchers ( fires tomahawks,
hatchets, ss-n-19 through 33 or R-7 Dwarf type SLBMs)
(4) MK 32 Triple Torpedo Tubes (12 MK 50/46 Torpedoes)
(2) Side mounted depth charge launchers (can accomadate Atomic
Depth Charges)
(3) PAC-3 Quad launchers(SAMs)
(12) SAM-7Y Advanced Sea Sparrow missiles.
Aircraft
The Norad can carry between 30 V/STOL
Aircraft or Helicopters
There are several landing pads, 2 elevators
and a pair of ski jump runways.
Crew: 1,950 + aircrews provision for up to 3,000
Cost is $3 billion dollars

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Adelie Class Super Battleship (SBB-01) (Sea Faring Vessel :P )
http://www.ufosecrets.staghosting.com/images/superbship.jpg
The angular armored plating of the
Adelie Class Super Battleship
creates a stealthy, streamlined ship
that can dominate anything that floats.
Propulsion:
(2) Nuclear Reactors
(4) Diesel Electric Generators
(2)Hydrogen Fuel Cells and Batteries powering bow thrusters
Armament
(2) MK 45 5 inch 54 caliber Gun Mount (lightweight gun) in 2 turrets
(6) 20 inch coilguns mounted in 2 Triple turrets
(6) 8 inch rapid fire cannons mounted in 6 Single turrets
(2) 16 inch cannons mounted in 2 turrets
(2) 10 inch coilguns mounted in 2 side turret
(3) 30mm vulcan CIWS Phalanx guns (1 per turret)
(11) 20mm vulcan CIWS Phalanx guns (1 per turret)
(7) FIM-92X Stinger quad launchers (28 total) mounted on 7 CIWSs
(2) MK 87 Vertical Launching Systems (14 Cells each) (SM-2 SAMs, Harpoons,Exocets, or Tomhawks)
(2) ABM Launchers Anti-Ballistic missles
(4) THEL (Tactical High Energy Laser) Anti cruise missle systems.
(8} 40mm Bofors Anti-Aircraft gun with fragmenting shells mounted in 4 Dual Turrets. (also anti-missle)
(5) Foward Firing Harpoon Anti-ship Missile Quad Canisters (20 missles total)
(2) 12 Cell SLBM/Hatchet Cruise Missle Launchers (Accomadates SS-N series missles)
(4) MK 32 Triple Torpedo Tubes (12 MK 50/46 Torpedoes)
(2) Side mounted depth charge launchers (can accomadate Atomic Depth Carges)
(3)PAC-3 Quad launchers(SAMs)

Aircraft
can hold
12 V/STOL Aircraft (AV-8 Harrier, F-35 etc)
+
20 Helicopters all types
Crew: 3,000 + aircrews provision for up to 4,500
Cost is $4billion dollars

We rather like the Norad, and will pay for the construction of ten immediately (i.e. $30bn).

I was worried you might say that.
We have had to place a limit of 4 per nation ( there are
several back orders to fill) We are currently completeing
a new shipyard, after its completeion we will be lifting the
4 ship limit and you can then order them. (Wendsday) it
will take some time to fill your order anyway so before the
first 4 are completed we will be able to confirm the other 6.

Very good. Good luck designing the trimaran super-ship. As the future owner of these ships, do we have the privilege of naming them ourselves? What about production rights? We wouldn't sell any to other nations; we just want to be able to build all of them ourselves, along with any necessary replacements.

OOC: So much for "Moderntech." Just as one last note on behalf of reality, your "trimaran" design won't appreciate any of the benefits in energy or speed with that design...and the size will mean that speeds will likely be less than current aircraft carriers.

OOC: So much for "Moderntech." Just as one last note on behalf of reality, your "trimaran" design won't appreciate any of the benefits in energy or speed with that design...and the size will mean that speeds will likely be less than current aircraft carriers.
Perhaps you could explain? My scientists' design is by no means the one Antarctica has to follow, and their designers may reconfigure it however they wish to gain the benefits you mentioned.

check TG Automastan so I can proceed.!!!!!

Done and replied, Antarctica.

The Ultor Class
sorry the pic is not colored (yet)
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=2deb38de-10a2-7e99-7e5c-4d0a45e43fd5
The Ultor Class Super Carrier is truely a massive vessel, combining the firepower of an Iowa class battleship, the technology of a modern guided missile destroyer, the versitility of the Wasp LHD And the air power projection of the nimitz class carrier, all in the same package.
It can conduct the invasion of a small nation by itself, without any support!
It has LHD type faciltys for the full marine complement which can embark from the wet docks with hovercraft, APCs and landing boats. A full costal bombardment can be conducted by the massive 16" cannons and the 8" coilguns. Deeper strikes can be made by tomohawk cruise missiles and its complement of combat aircraft. Should it come under fire it has armor around all vital and vunreable systems, but of course it has a full suite of counter measures, and defense weapons including an anti-missile laser and multiple machine guns. A 5inch gun and (3) 25mm chainguns protect against small vessels and terrorist threats. Large vessels can be dealt with by the 8 inch coilguns or the anti-ship missiles located under the flight deck. Also 2 submarines can dock underneath the flightdeck, near the 4 wet docks. The ship can preform sub-tending duties to the docked subs, repairing, resupplying and rearming them.
Propulsion
(6) diesel electric generators
(5) (really small) Nuclear Reactors
(2) Bow thrusters
(2) rotating waterjet thrusters
(3) Large diameter ducted turbines
(2) small ducted turbines
Specs
Cruise Speed: 30 knots sustained
Max Speed: 33.8 knots
Length: in excess of 1,300 feet
Middle Hull Beam: 120 feet
Side hulls Beams: 56 feet
Width overall: roughly 457 feet
Armament
(12) 16" cannons in 4 triple turrets
(4) 8" coilguns in 2 dual turrets
(1) 5" gun in 1 single turret
(4) 20mm Phalanx CIWS w/8 stinger missiles
(2) 30mm Phlanx CIWS w/ 8 stinger missiles
(1) Anti-Missile Laser (THEL)
(3) 25mm chainguns
(60) cell VLS (Tomohawk, SM-2 SAM, Sea Sparrow SAM or Harpoon Anti-ship missiles)
(18] cell missile launcher (Harpoon or penguin anti-ship missiles)
(8] Torpedo tubes (mk46, shkval etc)
Crew/Passengers
Ship Crew: 3,500
Air Wing: 2,700
Marine Detachment: 620 to 800
Other Vehicles: 12 APCs, light tanks or trucks of various type, 6 to 8 hovercraft landing craft, 10 zodiac or simmilar boats, 6 RIB, 2 full size submarines
Aircraft Provision
(6) EM Catapaults
(6) Arrestor Hook Cable Arrays
(4) Large Aircraft elevators
(2) Medium Aircraft elevators
(108) fixed wing or V/STOL aircraft plus
(12) helicopters ( you can reduce number of fixed wing a/c to increase helicopter capacity)
Electronics/ECM Suite
SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
SPS-49(V)5 2-D air search radar
Mk91 Fire Control
AN/SPS-67(V)3 Radar
AN/SPS-64(V)9 Radar
AN/SQS-53C(V) Sonar
AN/SQQ-28(V) LAMPS III
AN/SLQ-25A NIXIE Torpedo Countermeasures
MK 36 MOD 6 Decoy Launching System (6 Launchers)
MK116 MOD 7 Underwater Fire Control System
AN/SWG- I A (V) Harpoon Launcher Control System
AN/SWG-3A TOMAHAWK Weapon Control System


Without aircraft we are looking at a $6.3 billion per ship aquisition cost.

"HOLY CRAP!"
--Anonymous Navy Department official

As this government employee captured so well in his brief words, we at the Bureau of Defense are quite pleased with the design of the Ultor. Since we were the original requestors of the ship's design, we would like production rights, at whatever cost you name. You may, as the designer, sell Ultors abroad as well.

I think $60 billion would be a fair price for rights :mrgreen:
O and we have the first one completed already.

Yes, I think $60 billion is a fair price. The money has been wired, and we have begun construction on our first ship.